New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Johnknight1]

As long as Mega Man (Classic) gets in I will be statisfied.

Ryu as an AT would be awesome though, it's an even better way to laugh back at those Street Fighter fanboys, who bash the Smash and MM series all the time, instead of making Ryu playable.

Anything to upset those holier-than-thou Street F***er nerds is worth it!

(That or the smash community owns them in a game of tackle football and break their bones!)

Fitting in third-party characters into Smash is an extremely difficult process to do and Sakurai has stated that people have raised objections to the concept. Sonic still needs some refinements to his move sets before we start clamoring for a 2nd Sonic character.

Yeah, and people object to simply superior ideas like democracy, logic, and being realistic. Heck, there are idiots that think Luigi won't be in Smash Bros Wii U or 3DS.

Yes Sonic needs a further fine tuned moveset. So does Mario. Does that mean we don't need another Mario so we can fix Mario=???

Tails is also an icon. Everyone knows who Tails is. Tails may not be popular with everyone, but he is well-known. That doesn't mean he'll be playable but he will be in the game.

There has been worse. Much, much worse. Like replacing Sheik with Impa.

*shrugs* Replacing Sheik with "Toon Sheik" has been suggested...

Smash, especially Melee, has the luxury of being enjoyed by players of all types. By including the Miis as playable characters, I believe you would lose your "serious" players in the process while only getting a smaller audience in return. In other words, it would be a net loss.

I have no problems with them being cameos or having a stage at all.

How many "competitive players" (as in people who go to tournaments) do you think play smash=??? Maybe 50,000 people, max. That's not that big of a deal. I'm saying that as someone who has been to several tournaments (for both Melee and Brawl).

Besides, who cares about Street Fighter hyper competitive nerdy fans who act tough behind a keyboard=??? Please. They don't even make up one out of ten thousand Street Fighter game sales. What next, does smash have to appeal to Dungeons and Dragons nerds=???

@ Diddy Kong
Didn't you also say that Ganondorf only has a "80% chance" at returning=???

Mother needs a lot better presentation than it had in Brawl, I tell ya. (-l_l-);

In terms of playable characters, yes. In terms of better stages, more trophies, more stickers, and assist trophies, YES!

As I said countless other times, I don't think Zelda, Star Fox, Kirby, Mother, Yoshi, and Pikmin need any newcomers for Smash 4. I am not sure whether Wario and F-Zero should get a newcomer either.

Signed, sealed, delivers I'm yours I agree!

 

[Luco]

One of the shortest tunes of terranigma, but my favourite

Birth of a continent

Also, the ending theme to this amazing game, you should be able to hear parts of other songs in it as well:

Ending Credits: Flight of Ark

 

[Johnknight1]

The only thing Waluigi is good for is Mario Tennis

Also as a sandbag. Waluigi for SMASH4!!!!

Spoiler

...as a sandbag for Ridley to t-bag!

Edit: A lot of you got about as emotional as me when I was looking for my dad's iPhone in a movie theater after we left and came back after searching for over half an hour, only for me to find the damn thing in between his seat and the center console. Calm down folks! It's not like you're losing a $400 investment son! (unless of course you are!) :mewtwo:

By the way, that story about trying to find my dad's iPhone was real. It just happened. Maybe he shouldn't pull a switchero on me when I want to see Hugo, and he gets tickets for Sherlock Holmes... >.>

 

[Deleted member]

@HyperFalcon

"And Snake was there from the start, right? Note how the Forbidden 7 were leftover characters. The problem is, Snake would be near the top, then."

Not necessarily. Notice how both Snake and Sonic are at the bottom. This is because they are both not Nintendo's characters. The list goes in order of Nintendo to non-Nintendo.

"You still have no proof that Roy and Mewtwo weren't ready at the start. All the characters were decided in 2005 except clearly Sonic. He's the only one that was actually added late. There were no ideas for Jigglypuff, Wolf, or Toon Link(a clone) for the SSE, so they got put into the last minute. I'm talking about into the game. The list, if were talking about the order planned in, would have Snake right after the rest of the planned characters, since he's a third party, he'd be before the Forbidden 7 instead."

It isn't necessarily an order of who was planned, but a list of who. Notice how Wolf doesn't have a unique victory like the others, and notice how Wolf comes after Sonic and Snake in the final Co-Op Event Match. While he may not have been the final character to be included into the Roster, clearly, he was the last character to be added to the game itself.
This goes along with what has been said, that production on Sonic prevented production on Mewtwo and Roy, especially given that Jigglypuff, Toon Link, and Wolf also fought to stay.

"You're misreading the point. Everyone was decided by 2005. Mewtwo and Roy were planned to be put in, but they didn't have enough time, obviously."

That is the point I'm making. However, the point I'm making is that Mewtwo and Roy were not replaced, but cut due to time.



That better?

 

[Luco]

The ending of that last song gives me shivers. Man Terranigma was amazing.

 

[Hoots]

Mii's have a much greater appeal and recognition than most all of the characters I see brought up online. Just become some people have a philosophical issue with Miis does not make them any less valid of a selection. My only issue is I find them boring as a potential character addition.

They ARE boring and they are a waste of a slot. I think the whole argument that they are 'familiar' to people is flawed. Sure people love Wii sports, but people play Smash not to play as themselves in avatar form. They play Smash to play famous characters from Nintendo's history. Mii's are cute and novel in trivial games like Mario Kart where it is already a joke, but I honestly believe that Sakurai has more integrity than wasting resources on making Mii playable.

ALSO, can anyone translate the signature on this "leaked concept art"?

 

[Deleted member]

I haven't seen that one. Can't help you there.

Are there any others? I've seen one for Final Destination, Slime, and Ridley.

 

[Johnknight1]

People actually want Sonic and Snake to leave=???

I guess the world is full of crazies who haven't played classics like Sonic CD or Metal Gear Solid.

@ Hoots
Why people play smash is subjective. Who cares really=??? It's about what a character can add to the series by being playable. Besides, Smash is suppose to be fun, not "oh this rule that rule that rule serious." That's Street Fighter and Dungeons and Dragons.

Again, you could argue Miis add nothing. That is cool. And that is a legitimate argument. Whether a character belongs is smash is purely subjective... but consider these possible fights (and try not to chuckle):

Spoiler

-Paris Hilton vs. Ray Lewis
-Chewbacca vs. Bill Clinton
-Oprah Winfrey vs. Voldemort (hint: Oprah is the one with the smaller nose and bigger hips!)
-Bill Cosby vs. Arnold Schwarzenegger (try to spell that last name without looking at that!)
-Your favorite cut character vs. Waluigi (as a punching bag)
-Kobe Bryant vs. Mother Teressa
-Bruce Lee vs. Justin Bieber
-Ozzy Osbourne vs. Geddy Lee (I swear to God they are the same friggen person, but with different voices!)
-Jesus Christ vs. Benito Mussolini

The possibilities are endless my dear Watson! (actually, I am the dear Watson, both in name and spirit)

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Not necessarily. Notice how both Snake and Sonic are at the bottom. This is because they are both not Nintendo's characters. The list goes in order of Nintendo to non-Nintendo.

Which means you have no proof whatsoever that Roy and Mewtwo weren't planned from the start. The data you have does not show they were late, or early. There's no pattern to determine at all.

It isn't necessarily an order of who was planned, but a list of who. Notice how Wolf doesn't have a unique victory like the others, and notice how Wolf comes after Sonic and Snake in the final Co-Op Event Match. While he may not have been the final character to be included into the Roster, clearly, he was the last character to be added to the game itself.
This goes along with what has been said, that production on Sonic prevented production on Mewtwo and Roy, especially given that Jigglypuff, Toon Link, and Wolf also fought to stay.

Let's repeat something: What was said was that everybody was planned in 2005. Sonic is the only confirmed late addition. As of right now, they were all planned from the start. I wouldn't use that data to mean anything, as it has no indication or order at all. If it was order of characters added, which it isn't, Falcon, who was revealed very late, would be later on.

That is the point I'm making. However, the point I'm making is that Mewtwo and Roy were not replaced, but cut due to time.

They were both. They got replaced by the obvious characters in general. Ike is obviously Roy's replacement, and PT was Mewtwo's. Pichu was also replaced as well. Just as Dr. Mario was. There is no question that Ike is what Roy could've been with a revamp. Both Wario and Dr. Mario are heavyweight plumbers/adventurers with really powerful attacks. It also helps that Wario appears in Dr. Mario 64, making him a suitable replacement for him.

Likewise, Pichu got his costumes ported over to Pikachu as well. Which has another theory, that Pichu evolved. Which would explain the final smash.

 

[Deleted member]

@Hoots: Being famous doesn't guarantee you a spot. Mario and Pokemon would have the most spots if that were the case. Mii's are honestly the most famous possible Nintendo character not in a Smash game yet and people do regard them as famous characters, avatars or not.

Yes Sonic needs a further fine tuned moveset. So does Mario. Does that mean we don't need another Mario so we can fix Mario=???

Tails is also an icon. Everyone knows who Tails is. Tails may not be popular with everyone, but he is well-known. That doesn't mean he'll be playable but he will be in the game.

No character is perfect, but Sonic was added very late, so they had comparatively very little time to get him in. It doesn't help that we lost two characters because of his inclusion just so he could get in. Third-parties have also been stated to be very difficult to fit in, so if Sonic returns, it is better for Sakurai to focus on improving him before he starts to consider other Sonic reps if guests are allowed to come back.

As for being "iconic", KumaOso is right in that it should be rarely used when it comes to video game characters. Also, being well-known won't matter much if he has more people against them then supporters (which is the case for every third-party character not named Mega Man and I don't see it changing for Tails).

 

[Luco]

This music gives me shivers every time, especially listening to it as the wolves howl, or climbing up the icy mountain to revive one last thing....

Forest/Mountain: Climb to revive humanity!

 

[nLiM8d]

Sonic CD? As in SEGA's Sonic CD? Well then.

Forest/Mountain: Climb to revive humanity!

Sounds a bit like a Metroid Prime song.

 

[Johnknight1]

Yo n, Sonic CD was an amazing game bro! Don't be disrespectin'!

 

[nLiM8d]

Trick please, I got that **** installed on my hard drive, ain't nobody hatin.

GS- TLA: Tundaria Tower

Just in case no one has heard it.

 

[alex6309]

I love that in Metal Gear when you die the support team screams your name out..... SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAKEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love when in MGS1/2/4 That it ends in a Badass fistfight

I hesitated Killing The Boss at the end I wated a couple minutes on both 3 and PW its funny 'cause I was playing online in PW and held up someone.(I didnt cry though)

BTW I G2G see you tomorrow.

 

[Johnknight1]

Man I love that song n, thanks!

Also Oasis, kudos for posting the new Star Fox 3D version of the main menu theme (which sounds sad, like a great journey had at last ended) and the classic original from Star Fox 64 (which sounds like you are amidst a journey of great importance. That song will always hold great memories of a much simpler time...

 

[Luco]

My brother just did it for me again, but i'm not sure whether it would work for you guys cause I ain't quite sure what he did. -_-

But now I have terranigma on this comp. Yay! :D

Alrighty guys, I need to jump off and do some stuff, I can probably jump on later. ^^

 

[nLiM8d]

Later Alex, hope you had fun here tonight.

GS- TLA: Lemuria

 

[Deleted member]

Which means you have no proof whatsoever that Roy and Mewtwo weren't planned from the start. The data you have does not show they were late, or early. There's no pattern to determine at all.

*Sighs* I NEVER said that Mewtwo and Roy weren't planned from the start. I'm saying they WERE. Mewtwo and Roy would've been in the game had time not be an issue. (And possibly if MORE time was given, we would've had Dr. Mario and Toon Zelda to balance out the Roster slots).
And how does Snake being after the Nintendo characters prove anything?

Let's repeat something: What was said was that everybody was planned in 2005. Sonic is the only confirmed late addition. As of right now, they were all planned from the start. I wouldn't use that data to mean anything, as it has no indication or order at all. If it was order of characters added, which it isn't, Falcon, who was revealed very late, would be later on.

Late addition to THE ROSTER, not THE GAME. Wolf was clearly the last character finished. Sonic was just the last character added to the Roster. There is a fine difference.

They were both. They got replaced by the obvious characters in general. Ike is obviously Roy's replacement, and PT was Mewtwo's. Pichu was also replaced as well. Just as Dr. Mario was. There is no question that Ike is what Roy could've been with a revamp. Both Wario and Dr. Mario are heavyweight plumbers/adventurers with really powerful attacks. It also helps that Wario appears in Dr. Mario 64, making him a suitable replacement for him.

Likewise, Pichu got his costumes ported over to Pikachu as well. Which has another theory, that Pichu evolved. Which would explain the final smash.

This is a very backwards way of thinking. If a character is planned but doesn't make it in due to TIME RESTRAINTS they were just scrapped. Not replaced.
Take a look at Street Fighter IV (the original) T. Hawk and Dee Jay were not finished for the game. Does that mean that they were replaced with say, El Fuerte (grappler like T. Hawk) and Rufus (who's original design and personality were JUST like Dee Jay)? No. They were just unfinished.
And when Super Street Fighter IV came out, guess who was added? T. Hawk and Dee Jay. They were finished.
Same with Frank West in Marvel vs. Capcom 3. He was cut due to problems with his gameplay. And sure enough, he was added in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 because his problems were taken care of. Was he "replaced" by anyone? No.
If that doesn't help you understand, look at the original Smash. Bowser, Mewtwo, and Dedede were planned for it, but hardware issues came up. Were they "replaced"? No. They just weren't added. (You can't give me "Mewtwo was replaced with Jigglypuff" or "Bowser was replaced with Luigi", because I have an interview between Miyamoto and Sakurai before 64 came out in Japan that mentioned BOTH Luigi and Bowser, meaning Bowser was planned and for sure, but cut out due to hardware issues.)

These examples prove that not only did Mewtwo and Roy NOT get "replaced", but they will be back next go around.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

*Sighs* I NEVER said that Mewtwo and Roy weren't planned from the start. I'm saying they WERE. Mewtwo and Roy would've been in the game had time not be an issue. (And possibly if MORE time was given, we would've had Dr. Mario and Toon Zelda to balance out the Roster slots).
And how does Snake being after the Nintendo characters prove anything?

No, the point is that it proves absolutely nothing. You're saying that it does.

Late addition to THE ROSTER, not THE GAME. Wolf was clearly the last character finished. Sonic was just the last character added to the Roster. There is a fine difference.

Sonic was still the only one that counts. He's the only one not planned for either, and came very late.

This is a very backwards way of thinking. If a character is planned but doesn't make it in due to TIME RESTRAINTS they were just scrapped. Not replaced.
Take a look at Street Fighter IV (the original) T. Hawk and Dee Jay were not finished for the game. Does that mean that they were replaced with say, El Fuerte (grappler like T. Hawk) and Rufus (who's original design and personality were JUST like Dee Jay)? No. They were just unfinished.
And when Super Street Fighter IV came out, guess who was added? T. Hawk and Dee Jay. They were finished.
Same with Frank West in Marvel vs. Capcom 3. He was cut due to problems with his gameplay. And sure enough, he was added in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 because his problems were taken care of. Was he "replaced" by anyone? No.
If that doesn't help you understand, look at the original Smash. Bowser, Mewtwo, and Dedede were planned for it, but hardware issues came up. Were they "replaced"? No. They just weren't added. (You can't give me "Mewtwo was replaced with Jigglypuff" or "Bowser was replaced with Luigi", because I have an interview between Miyamoto and Sakurai before 64 came out in Japan that mentioned BOTH Luigi and Bowser, meaning Bowser was planned and for sure, but cut out due to hardware issues.)

And yet they still get replaced by characters that share major similarities. Mewtwo was replaced by yet another 1st Gen character. Roy was replaced by another Fire Swordsman. They're replacements overall. Pichu also got replaced by Lucario. Also, let me be clear on something: They said the roster was decided on 2005. What does that mean? That the Forbidden 7 would have never been more than late additions at best. They were planned to maybe be in the game some way, that's it.

These examples prove that not only did Mewtwo and Roy NOT get "replaced", but they will be back next go around.

They prove the opposite, however. Likewise, I wouldn't even expect them whatsoever. In fact, I don't expect any of the Forbidden 7 that's not completely new to ever have a chance for SSB4.

 

[Big-Cat]

And yet they still get replaced by characters that share major similarities. Mewtwo was replaced by yet another 1st Gen character. Roy was replaced by another Fire Swordsman. They're replacements overall. Pichu also got replaced by Lucario. Also, let me be clear on something: They said the roster was decided on 2005. What does that mean? That the Forbidden 7 would have never been more than late additions at best. They were planned to maybe be in the game some way, that's it.

What the heck are you going on about? If both Jiggs and Mewtwo were planned from the beginning, then why the hell is that considered replaced? That just means one was chosen over the other. Simple as that. When they were making designs for the two new characters in SSF4, they had also considered an ice skater, but they opted for the Tae Kwon Do user, Juri. Juri did not replace this concept character, she was just used instead. Will we ever see this ice skater? Who knows.

 

[Deleted member]

How ironic that you state that there is no proof on Mewtwo and Roy being "late" characters, yet you state that they (as well as the other scrapped characters) would be "late at best". Someone hand me a Starburst, I sense a contradiction!

Also ironic, that you denounce my statements that are backed by information given, and yet make your own that is just crackpot theory.

You also seem to fail to grasp how the "Roster decided upon in 2005" deal worked.
It meant, that the initial roster had been decided upon. Now, obviously, there were changes, (i.e. Dixie no longer being partnered with Diddy Kong, as he had mentioned in Famitsu), and Sonic was the last character ADDED in 2007. There is no reason to denounce that characters were REMOVED. And again, if Mewtwo and Roy were planned to be "replaced" in the first place, why would they have their own victories that every character (except Wolf) have, and Mewtwo having more dummied out files than any other cut character?



And honestly? You think Mewtwo and Roy are never coming back? I can understand skepticism on Roy, but you honestly think with Mewtwo being heavily demaned back worldwide, and with his recent and future relevance, on top of being a non-cloned character, AND being the closest of the scrapped characters to be completed, that he will not return?
And you believe that frigging RED replaced him? That's almost as bad as believing Impa will replace Sheik.


The only two characters truly replaced were Young Link and Pichu. This is proven by lack of data within Brawl's files.
Young Link was replaced by Toon Link, who was the newer version of a "young Link", and overall one of the more recurring styles for Link.
Pichu was replaced by Lucario. Whether it was for Generation reasons or because Pichu was unfavored while Lucario was favored remains to be seen.

 

[Deleted member]

@GoldenYuiitusin: I'd like to believe that it had more to do with Pichu being hated. I do think that Pichu would have been planned to return if not for the hate he got.

This is also why I think all Brawl vets will be planned to return (with the exception of maybe Sonic and Snake), it's just a matter of if they have the time to put them all back.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

How ironic that you state that there is no proof on Mewtwo and Roy being "late" characters, yet you state that they (as well as the other scrapped characters) would be "late at best". Someone hand me a Starburst, I sense a contradiction!

If they were added. Which they weren't.

Also ironic, that you denounce my statements that are backed by information given, and yet make your own that is just crackpot theory.

None of that information has any bearing whatsoever. It does not say the order they were added in at all. That's impossible unless the Third Parties were BEFORE the Forbidden 7. It just does not add up to your theories.

You also seem to fail to grasp how the "Roster decided upon in 2005" deal worked.
It meant, that the initial roster had been decided upon. Now, obviously, there were changes, (i.e. Dixie no longer being partnered with Diddy Kong, as he had mentioned in Famitsu), and Sonic was the last character ADDED in 2007. There is no reason to denounce that characters were REMOVED. And again, if Mewtwo and Roy were planned to be "replaced" in the first place, why would they have their own victories that every character (except Wolf) have, and Mewtwo having more dummied out files than any other cut character?

Sonic was the only character that was added in 2007. The rest already had something that needed work.

And honestly? You think Mewtwo and Roy are never coming back? I can understand skepticism on Roy, but you honestly think with Mewtwo being heavily demaned back worldwide, and with his recent and future relevance, on top of being a non-cloned character, AND being the closest of the scrapped characters to be completed, that he will not return?
And you believe that frigging RED replaced him? That's almost as bad as believing Impa will replace Sheik.

Because there's no good reason to believe they will indefinitely be back. The only thing they've done is replaced character for newer additions when it came to Pokemon, Mario(spin-offs), and Fire Emblem. And yeah, Red did replace him. Lucario couldn't have, as they don't really share anything in common. But a 1st Gen replacing a 1st Gen? That's actually completely realistic. Same as a 2nd Gen being replaced by a 4th Gen. Or a Lord being replaced by another Lord.

The only two characters truly replaced were Young Link and Pichu. This is proven by lack of data within Brawl's files.
Young Link was replaced by Toon Link, who was the newer version of a "young Link", and overall one of the more recurring styles for Link.
Pichu was replaced by Lucario. Whether it was for Generation reasons or because Pichu was unfavored while Lucario was favored remains to be seen.

They all got replaced regardless. Having a small bit of data in the game doesn't change they were the replacements. If they weren't replaced, they'd have an actual in-game cameo beyond a Trophy, which really has no bearing in-game, and is just extra stuff. A stage element, a Pokeball Pokemon, etc.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

@GoldenYuiitusin: I'd like to believe that it had more to do with Pichu being hated. I do think that Pichu would have been planned to return if not for the hate he got.

This is also why I think all Brawl vets will be planned to return (with the exception of maybe Sonic and Snake), it's just a matter of if they have the time to put them all back.

But... I like Pichu.
Anyway, if Sakurai got permission for Snake and Sonic in Brawl, he can surely do it again.

@Removing crap: You all are forgetting past examples.
1. Bowser was planned for Smash 64. He didn't make it. He was brought into Melee.
2. Snake was originally going to be in Melee. They were too far in development. Snake came into Brawl.
3. Lucas was originally going to replace Ness. Lucas wasn't put into Melee. He made it into Brawl.

Geez. It's not hard to get.

 

[Johnknight1]

No character is perfect, but Sonic was added very late, so they had comparatively very little time to get him in. It doesn't help that we lost two characters because of his inclusion just so he could get in. Third-parties have also been stated to be very difficult to fit in, so if Sonic returns, it is better for Sakurai to focus on improving him before he starts to consider other Sonic reps if guests are allowed to come back.

Sonic may or may not have caused Roy or Mewtwo not to return. We still don't know for sure 100% either way, and unless Sakurai spills all the beans, and we probably never will.

 

[nLiM8d]

This is also why I think all Brawl vets will be planned to return (with the exception of maybe Sonic and Snake), it's just a matter of if they have the time to put them all back.

Essentially. Wolf, Lucario, and Tlink are the only ones I see being either cut or swapped. Higher emphasis on on the latter.

Geez. It's not hard to get.

Finally

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

But... I like Pichu.
Anyway, if Sakurai got permission for Snake and Sonic in Brawl, he can surely do it again.

@Removing crap: You all are forgetting past examples.
1. Bowser was planned for Smash 64. He didn't make it. He was brought into Melee.
2. Snake was originally going to be in Melee. They were too far in development. Snake came into Brawl.
3. Lucas was originally going to replace Ness. Lucas wasn't put into Melee. He made it into Brawl.

Geez. It's not hard to get.

Yes, except those weren't past characters at all. That only applies for new characters that didn't make it. Plusle and Minun, Tetra, Toon Sheik, Dixie Kong. It doesn't apply for the other 3, since they were in Melee already.

 

[Johnknight1]

Yeah, Toon Link could definitely be swapped for a newer version of the character (at this point that would be the slightly different personality-wise Spirit Tracks Toon Link); but regardless, there is little chance that some child Link isn't in smash.

Lucario could be cut, but given how the Mewtwo debacle played out, Sakurai will probably keep him, add a new Pokémon, and in all likelihood bring back Mewtwo.

Wolf could be cut in favor of Krystal, or he could just be a casualty of not being able to be a heck of a lot different from Fox or Falco without going way out of your way and spending too much time on him. That or Wolf could not return because of roster limitations, and Sakurai and co being too interested in dozens upon dozens of other characters to even fiddle with the idea of Wolf returning.

 

[Deleted member]

Anyway, if Sakurai got permission for Snake and Sonic in Brawl, he can surely do it again.

The problem with this is that guests almost never stay after being in a game once (I have yet to hear of a case). It is definitely possible for both to return, but I do think that there are legal issues surrounding them returning to Smash. If Sakurai is not willing to put up with them again, they will be axed.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, because past characters never returned in other games after they were scrapped. *Looks at Dee Jay and T. Hawk*

@SSBF: The FF characters from Mario Hoops were in Sports Mix.
And given that Snake was by creator consent, I don't think legal issues will arise with him at least.
Sonic, given his reception in Brawl would be incentive for SEGA to keep him there, though.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ SSBF
Sonic and Mario at the Olympic Games says hi.

Also, this is smash bros. Don't compare our "guests" to other fighting games "guests." Our two guests are worldwide icons, one of which nearly everyone in the civilized world knows, and several have played his game. Plus characters drive smash, whereas other fighters are driven by the game engine. All the characters in other fighting games (who are mostly original to that said fighting series) have about as much personality, history, and unique characteristics as a turd. Seriously, who plays any fighting game except smash for the characters=??? I don't see any differences between E. Honda and an old Japanese man in a diaper. Meanwhile in smash you can play as a overgrown rat with electric powers (you definitely can't find that anywhere here in America).

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Yeah, because past characters never returned in other games after they were scrapped. *Looks at Dee Jay and T. Hawk*

@SSBF: The FF characters from Mario Hoops were in Sports Mix.
And given that Snake was by creator consent, I don't think legal issues will arise with him at least.
Sonic, given his reception in Brawl would be incentive for SEGA to keep him there, though.

And then there's Slime from Sports Mix to Fortune Street.

 

[nLiM8d]

Also, this is smash bros. Don't compare our "guests" to other fighting games "guests." Our two guests are worldwide icons, one of which nearly everyone in the civilized world knows, and several have played his game. Plus characters drive smash, whereas other fighters are driven by the game engine

Pretty much


I don't know guys, the idea of 55 good characters on the roll sheet is sounding pretty good.

 

[Deleted member]

Usually guests work in other games for promotion, or because so and so did this, so they will do this too (Team Ninja working on Other M leading to an Other M stage with Ridley and Samus in Dead of Alive Dimensions, Final Fantasy characters in Mario Hoops and Sports Mix with Slime because Square-Enix worked on those games, or Pac-Man characters and Tamagatchi characters in the Mario Kart Arcades because Namco Bandai worked on those).

Some guests are just to raise sales and popularity (Soul Calibur).

Snake was a guest in Brawl because his creator wanted him in.
Sonic was a guest because he was heavily requested by the fanbase.
Both are completely different situations from the norm.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yeah, because past characters never returned in other games after they were scrapped. *Looks at Dee Jay and T. Hawk*

Not applicable. This is Smash, not Street Fighter or anything else. Nor have we had character who were scrapped and put into the next game instead. A skipped game, that is. Until that happens, that has no bearing on what I said earlier.

As of now, Roy, Mewtwo, and Dr. Mario may not ever return. There is still no reason to EXPECT them to. They could, but that is not something that is guaranteed to happen. It could, it could not. Unless they're confirmed, don't count on it.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Not applicable. This is Smash, not Street Fighter or anything else. Nor have we had character who were scrapped and put into the next game instead. Until that happens, that has no bearing on what I said earlier.

As of now, Roy, Mewtwo, and Dr. Mario may not ever return. There is still no reason to EXPECT them to. They could, but that is not something that is guaranteed to happen. It could, it could not. Unless they're confirmed, don't count on it.

Dude, I JUST mentioned Bowser in Smash 64! He was planned. Hardware issues. Scrapped. SO HE WAS PUT INTO MELEE INSTEAD!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Dude, I JUST mentioned Bowser in Smash 64! He was planned. Hardware issues. SO HE WAS PUT INTO MELEE INSTEAD!

Read what I said again. It doesn't apply because he was not in a previous game. I only refer to character that would've been in Smash 64, but scrapped for Melee, but would have been put into Brawl instead. It would have to be like that.

Your examples only fit the four characters I mentioned. Roy, Mewtwo, and Dr. Mario do not fit this, as they were still in Melee. They aren't new scrapped characters. Those I expect in SSB4, not scrapped returners.

 

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Geez. It's not hard to get.

Best post of the past day IMO.

Also, this is smash bros. Don't compare our "guests" to other fighting games "guests." Our two guests are worldwide icons, one of which nearly everyone in the civilized world knows, and several have played his game. Plus characters drive smash, whereas other fighters are driven by the game engine. All the characters in other fighting games (who are mostly original to that said fighting series) have about as much personality, history, and unique characteristics as a turd. Seriously, who plays any fighting game except smash for the characters=??? I don't see any differences between E. Honda and an old Japanese man in a diaper. Meanwhile in smash you can play as a overgrown rat with electric powers (you definitely can't find that anywhere here in America).

Technically MvC could fall into that catagory, but anyway, good points, you've given some more hope about Snake and Sonic returning. Although, like anybody I still have my doubts.

 

[Johnknight1]

Pretty much

I don't know guys, the idea of 55 good characters on the roll sheet is sounding pretty good.

I would fork out any amount of a money for a 55 roster with good characters. Basically, return everyone from Brawl, have Mewtwo and Roy return (that's 41). The add:
-Paper Mario
-Dixie Kong
-K. Rool
-Ridley
-Victini
-Samurai Goroh
-Paletuna
-Issac
-Takamaru
-Saki
-Starfy
-Miis
-Mega Man
-Pace Man
...and I am a happy camper. Granted, it doesn't have to be specifically those characters (except definitely Ridley, K. Rool/Dixie [if not both], and Mega Man), but close to 'em.