New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Read it too. Great essay's SSBfan. You should write letter toi Sakurai about getting Victini in SSb4. I am but not for Victini, for Mewtwo, Ridley and Deoxys.

My expectations are 40-45 slots (trasformation excluded).

The Ridley is too big excuse is just plain stupid. We've seen Bowser's size change from time to time, and yet he's a playable character in Melee and Brawl. If Bowser can make the cut, so can Ridley; the Melee intro pretty much proves it.

 

[Aurane]

movie black sucked bawls... don't know bout white since am waiting for CN broadcast

Reshiram dislikes this comment Lol What was bad about it? Let me know, because not much is different in the other movie.

@MASG Well, Bowser isn't as big as Ridley. Sakurai, himself, stated that size was a problem, right?

 

[Berserker.]

In Brawl, I expected a lot more, but got a rude awakening in the end. My Smash 4 roster input is much less ridiculous, as a result.

In brawl speculation, I only expected like..... 40 slots. I thought those who were expecting 50 slots were just outright ridiculous. Though in that time, I was a lurker.

The brawl roster was perfect and well done. The only things missing were Deoxys and Ridley. Jr. and Mega Man were still MEH to me due to the presence of Wario and Sonic.

 

[augustoflores]

the premise.

 

[Aurane]

the premise.

Elaborate.

 

[augustoflores]

i actually gotta go... laterz!!!

 

[victinivcreate1]

Guys, how much will a Wii U cost? and what launch titles will be with it. I hear that Ninja Gaiden Razor's Edge will be a launch. This will probably increase Ryu's chances by 10%.

 

[Berserker.]

Crunching them numbers ey, vcreate?

I think it's $400 as of now (Kinda cheap). Dunno. My guess though.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

movie black sucked bawls... don't know bout white since am waiting for CN broadcast

Pokemon Black - Victini and Reshiram seemed much more fitting, I guess because Reshiram, in some way, fits the hero role better than Zekrom.

With that said, back on-topic.

 

[victinivcreate1]

Who wants mewtwo in SSB4 and who wants him buffed up completely in smashes, aerials, dashbspeed, and specials that repersent his movie (barrier, the blue orb or psycic energy().Now for the Mewtwo Moveset
Mewtwo (Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow)
Mewtwo’s Stats
Power 8/10 Tier Position-5 (Top of A tier)
Dash Speed 9/10
Air Speed 9/10
Weight 7/10
Attack Speed 6/10
Height 7/10
Jump 8/10
Priority 6/10
Range 6/10
Shield 6/10

Jab-Shadow Spark-like his jab in Melee. 5%, 2%, 1+% damage
Dash Attack-Shadow Shove-like his dash attack in Melee. 9% damage
Up tilt-Tail Flip-like his Melee up tilt. 9% damage
Side Tilt- Tail Smash- like his Melee side tilt. 5-10% damage (depending on where hit).
Down Tilt-Tail Whip-like his Melee down tilt. 9% damage

Nair- Body Spark-like his Melee nair with more KB. 3-20% damage (depending on number of hits). KOs at 120% damage
Uair- High Tail Flip- an aerial version of his up tilt. Can semi-spike. 9-13% damage
Fair- Shadow Claw- like his Melee fair wit higher vertical knockback, which can KO at 100%. 14% damage, can chain multiple fairs at 0-60%.
Bair-Tail Flail-like his Melee bair. 7-12% damage
Dair-Flip Stomp-like his Melee dair with faster startup. Can spike. Powerful. This move has 3 hitboxes, all meteor smash but the hitbox on his head, and have varying knockback and damage. The one at his head deals 16% damage and spikes powerfully (this is one of the 2 nipple spikes, the other is Captain Falcon) The one at his leg meteors weakly and deals 13% damage. The one on his foot (his biggest meteor hitbox) deals 14% damage and meteors decently. His nipple is the weakest out of the two but the fifth strongest spike/meteor smash in SSB4 WiiU and SSB3DS.

Up Smash-Galaxy Blast-like his up smash in Melee with much higher KB and much stronger vacuum. Has reach on both sides. Can KO at 115% and deals 15-20% damage.
Side Smash- Shadow Blast-like his forward smash with much higher KB. Has a disjointed hitbox. Sweetspotted, it can KO at 100%, sourspotted, it can KO at 125%. This move can be angled. 14-19% damage sourspotted, 19-26% damage sweetspotted.
Down Smash- Shadow Bombs-like his Melee down smash but he blasts two blasts on both sides at the same time. More range in it. KOs at 100% damage. 20-27% damage
Pummel-Hand Zap-like his Melee grab attack. 2-3% damage
Up Throw-Psychic Whirlwind-like his Melee up throw, KOs at 105%. The strongest up throw in SSB4. 11% damage
Forward Throw-Shadow Shot Down-like his Melee fthrow. 12% damage
Back Throw-Psychic-Mewtwo’s Melee back throw. KOs at 105% damage. 11% damage
Down Throw-Tail Smack-Mewtwo’s Melee down throw. 8% damage. Chaingrabs very well.

B-Shadow Ball- like his Melee shadow ball but travels in a straight line when fully charged. Has recoil like it did in Melee. KOs at 100%. 5-25% damage
Up B-Teleport-like his Melee teleport with less lag.
Side B-Psycho Cut-creates a blade of psychic energy on arm and rushes forward. If hit foe, will send them vertically and a bit horizontally. Spikes weakly in mid-air. Can lead to a nipple spike dair. 12% damage
Down B-Barrier- creates a ball of blue psychic energy around himself. The move jets him upward but can be curved like Lucario’s Extremespeed. It however, is often out prioritized by many attacks. It reflects projectiles. 14% damage

Super Smash-Psychic-shoots a laser of light at the foe. Then Mewtwo will rush to the foe and grab them. He will electrocute them 4 times, dealing 2% each zap. He then uses his back throw, but boosted by a charged Shadow ball. (Regardless if he has one or not). 40% damage
Final Smash-Psystrike-Mewtwo jumps in the air and summons 10 lightning bolts to come down from the sky. The bolts do 10% damage. Then giant tornadoes come and bring foes to the middle of the stage where a huge lightning bolt will do 25% damage and heavy hitstun. Then, giant waves come in a wash away the foes at a low trajectory. It is a multiple hit wave, like Piplup’s Surf, the max dealing 100%. 135% damage


This might be a little broken, but he has a high weight and a fast falling speed, making him easy to combo. Ill also nerf some attacks like tilts, Final smash, psycho cut, barrier (can't reflect projectiles and has low priority) and teleport (less distance).

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

@MASG Well, Bowser isn't as big as Ridley. Sakurai, himself, stated that size was a problem, right?

That's still an invalid excuse, no matter how you slice and dice it. Ridley can work, if Sakurai put his mind into it. However, that guy can be a mystery at times.

 

[Deleted member]

The brawl roster was perfect and well done. The only things missing were Deoxys and Ridley. Jr. and Mega Man were still MEH to me due to the presence of Wario and Sonic.

I agree that Brawl's roster was the best so far. It's almost complete, just need for SSB4 to fill in a few more spots.

@asage94: Great. Now the BS size argument is returning here. I get fed up of Vaztor's and dedekong's crap on Ridley's size at GameFAQs, I don't need to hear the same stuff on here.

 

[Berserker.]

Short moveset revamp for mewtwo:

[collapse=Mewtwo]Neutral special - Shadow ball

Quick homing projectile that deals 10% damage

Forward special - Psycho cut

Quickly creates a blade of psychic energy then slashes the enemy. Deals 13% damage and KOs at 123% frest.

Downward special - Barrier

Creates a barrier with an HP of 30.

Upward special - Teleport

Teleports simply. It has a lightning start up and ending lag. Also, Mewtwo is not helpless after but he can't do his recovery again


Basically, his standards have good damage, speed, KO potential, range and priority

His weight is super low.... He can be killed at 50 - 70% easily normally. He's also floaty.[/collapse]
He's like Phoenix. Has all the options for all situations but he's easy to kill and in general, he's a glass cannon.

 

[victinivcreate1]

I loved Brawl's roster and they just needed to AXE Jiggs for Mewtwo and add Deoxys. I heard Jiggs was scrapped early on but revived later, like Wolf.

Berserker01, mewtwo weighs 269 pounds!! hE should be a heavy weight, fast faller, and my barrier works liek this.

Mewtwo paiuses for .3 second s to angle the movement of the rush, then a blue sphere appears and he rushges in the direction of the cstick.

 

[Berserker.]

SIGH

Here we go again with this stupid, "Jiggly being axed" again. She was simply added late but that doesn't mean Sakurai was about to axe her. She'll never be removed or axed. That is all. I don't even need to say something about the O12.

 

[Aurane]

Watch the PKMN Anime, and yes, it does make more sense.

Anyways, I think we can live with a Deoxys set, yes?

(B): Zap Cannon
He turns into attack forme, and charges a Zap Cannon. He fires it after 3seconds. This move auto paralyzes and does huge damage. It does no Knockback, however.
DMG: 23% DMG, Paralyze, no Knockback

(B)>: Zen Headbutt
He slips under anyone 1 1/2 character spaces near him, and then goes straight upwards, using Zen Headbutt. This move knocks the opponent eyesight of Deoxys.
DMG: 9% DMG, knockback

(B)v: Magic Guard
Hold the (B) button, and he turns into Defense mode, and his body is covered by a magic coat. All projectiles are absorbed. Release the (B) button with the projectiles around you, and you'll send a psywave in eyesight, going straight forward, with no let up, and is quick.
DMG: 3% per Projectile absorbed. Knockback.

(B)^: Extremespeed
Revamp of Lucario's. He transforms into Speed form, and flies off. It goes further, does dmg, and at the end, he'll grab anyone nearby, and throw them behind himself.
DMG: 1/5 dmg per half a second, and 10% DMG on throw. Auto grabs the edge.

FS: Psycho Boost
Exactly like Samus, he fires a huge beam in attack mode. Anyone hit is sure to die.
DMG: 7% per second. Auto Death

 

[victinivcreate1]

I like jiggs, but personally, Deoxys is more deserving. But fine, Deoxys should have replaced Lucario.

My deoxys moveset is BETTER!!!


Jab-slaps with tentacles. 3%, 2%, 1%+.
Dash Attack-like Ness’ dash attack but a single hit. 13% damage
Up Tilt- blasts a burst of electrical energy forward. Among attack form’s best due to speed, power and a disjointed hitbox. 14% attack form, 12% normal form, 9% with defense form, 8% in speed form.
Side Tilt-blasts a burst of psychic energy from hands. Another good killer in attack form. 14% attack form, 12% normal form, 9% with defense form, 8% in speed form.
Down Tilt-electrifies the ground. A great killer in speed form. 14% speed form, 12% normal form, 9% attack form, 8% defense form.

Nair-Blaze Kick-a sex kick that when sweetspotted in the beginning of the attack, gives a flame effect and a great semi spike trajectory. Can KO easily at 60% in attack form. 21-3% attack, 20-4% normal, 19-3% defense, 18-6% speed.
Uair- Back Flip- similar to Captain Falcon’s up air but a stronger semi spike at the end of the move. 14% damage all formsa
Fair-Psybeam-like Ness’ forward aerial. Can’t DI out off. A good combo move in attack and normal form. 14% damage all forms.
Bair-Front Flip-a reverse up air with psychic energy residue on his foot. Semi spikes well for attack and defense form at the end of the attack. 12% leg-14% psychic residue in attack, 11-12% normal, 10-11% defense, 9-10% speed.
Dair-Psykicks-like Lucas’ dair with more horizontal range and much higher power. A strong meteor smash in attack and normal form. 24% damage all forms.

Up Smash-Night Shade-blasts a beam of shadow energy out of its core. Its the strongest up smash in the game, KOing at 20% charged and 50% uncharged in . However, it is the one of the laggiest of up smashes. Great range. 23-29% damage attack, 18-24% normal, 17-23% defense, 14-19% speed.
Side Smash-Psyshock-a stronger, single hitting version of his forward aerial. Has a disjointed hitbox and IASA frames, making it dangerous. Can KO at 75% angled upward.
24-35% attack, 20-26% defense, 19-24% normal, 16-21% speed.
Down Smash-Zap Cannon- blasts a ball of electricity down at the ground that grows in radius. Attack and Speed form’s best killer due to speed, range, and power. 21-28% attack, 19-26% speed, 17-23% defense, 15-20% normal.

Attack Form Deoxys Specials
B-Psycho Boost-creates a ball made of psychic energy and looses it on the foe. Can save the charging. 5-25%damage
Up B-Teleport-like Mewtwo’s teleport.
Side B-Zap Cannon-much like Din’s fire but with much higher KB. 14% damage
Down B-Aurora-releases an aurora that makes it change form.
FS-Hyper Beam-like its pokeball move in Brawl.

Defense Form Specials
B-Psycho Boost-creates a ball made of psychic energy and looses it on the foe. Can save the charging. 5-25%damage
Up B-Teleport-like Mewtwo’s teleport but longer distance and angling issues, like Zelda’s in Brawl.
Side B-Mirror Coat-creates a wall of psychic energy that reflects projectiles.
Down B- Down B-Aurora-releases an aurora that makes it change form.
FS-Protect-becomes invincible for 18 seconds and attacks are boosted drastically.

Speed Form Specials
B-Swift-gathers a ray of light and throws it. Like Sheik’s Needle Storm. 3-18% damage
Up B-Teleport-like Defense Deoxys’ teleport with faster start-up and less distance and lag.
Side B-Extreme speed-a rush attack. Low distance, making it unreliable for recovery. 8% damage
Down B-Aurora-releases an aurora that makes it change form.
FS-Giga Impact-much like a moveable Fire Fox. 25% damage 1 hit.

Normal Form Specials
B-Super Power-a Falcon Punch without the flame effects. 26% damage
Up B-Teleport-like Attack Deoxys teleport.
Side B-Counter- poses. If hit, a counter will happen.
Down B-Aurora-releases an aurora that makes it change form.
FS-Clones-makes clones of itself and orders them to attack.
Super Smash (counts for all) -Cosmic Power-creates a pink bubble that slows down time for foes, makes them considerably lighter, flowers grow on their heads, uncontrollable movement, sleepiness, and makes foes trip.

 

[Berserker.]

I loved Brawl's roster and they just needed to AXE Jiggs for Mewtwo and add Deoxys. I heard Jiggs was scrapped early on but revived later, like Wolf.

Berserker01, mewtwo weighs 269 pounds!! hE should be a heavy weight, fast faller, and my barrier works liek this.

Mewtwo paiuses for .3 second s to angle the movement of the rush, then a blue sphere appears and he rushges in the direction of the cstick.

It's funny that you say that when he was actually one of the lightest in the game.

Oh and also, if you want Mewtwo to be faithful, expect a lot of people to hate him for his broken-ness.

 

[Aurane]

I like jiggs, but personally, Deoxys is more deserving. But fine, Deoxys should have replaced Lucario.

Sadly, there was more Lucario fans then Alien fans

@Berserker Dude, why is Mewtwo so light? Lulz

 

[Berserker.]

Sadly, there was more Lucario fans then Alien fans

@Berserker Dude, why is Mewtwo so light? Lulz

Ask Sakurai

 

[yani_]

None of this axeing jiggz nonsense!

 

[Aurane]

Ask Sakurai

I love the physics of the world of Smash. Bowser's actually a speed demon, and Mewtwo is on a diet.

 

[Berserker.]

Bowser is actually fast though and he's a pretty good jumper

 

[victinivcreate1]

Don't know about that, Deoxys was really cool and have better moveset potentials, despite vbeing less revelant. Lucario should'nt have gotten into brawl, due to being in a movie before a game.

 

[Aurane]

Bowser is actually fast though and he's a pretty good jumper

Didn't I just say that :/

 

[victinivcreate1]

Didn't I just say that :/

I want Mewtwo to be as fast as Sheik is and Bowser to be slower than Jigglypuff. Mewtwo should weigh as much as Captain Falcon.

 

[Berserker.]

Didn't I just say that :/

The irony though is that his attacks aren't some of the fastest and they're mostly punishable.

 

[Aurane]

The irony though is that his attacks aren't some of the fastest and they're mostly punishable.

Welcome to Brawl. Nuff said.

I gtg, but I'll get back to you guys l8r.

 

[victinivcreate1]

What should be the game physics of ssb4? I want them to have wavedashing, moonwalking, the melee combo ability, Brawl's Dacus, Yoshi's Dragonic Reverse (a weird wavedash/moonwalk due to his double jump properties), SHFFLs, Slide smashes, L-Canceling, Techable Tripping, and stronger DI. Add some new ones. Dashing side smashes (for those that move along ground while using a side smash(Wolf, Link, Kirby, Jiggs, Fox, and Falco would be broken for that).

 

[Deleted member]

Don't know about that, Deoxys was really cool and have better moveset potentials, despite vbeing less revelant. Lucario should'nt have gotten into brawl, due to being in a movie before a game.

Oh come on, Lucario was awesome in his movie and deserved to be in Brawl, being the undisputed 4th gen mascot and all.

 

[victinivcreate1]

Oh come on, Lucario was awesome in his movie and deserved to be in Brawl, being the undisputed 4th gen mascot and all.

I'm not sayin that Lucario was a great addition to Brawl, (he's my secondary playable character other than Wolf, Luigi and Fox) I'm just sayin that I've would have been happier with Deoxys.
Also lets blame Pichu 4 this. He caused this unstability within the roster.

 

[Berserker.]

What should be the game physics of ssb4? I want them to have wavedashing, moonwalking, the melee combo ability, Brawl's Dacus, Yoshi's Dragonic Reverse (a weird wavedash/moonwalk due to his double jump properties), SHFFLs, Slide smashes, L-Canceling, Techable Tripping, and stronger DI. Add some new ones. Dashing side smashes (for those that move along ground while using a side smash(Wolf, Link, Kirby, Jiggs, Fox, and Falco would be broken for that).

NO to wave dashing

NO to moon walking

YES to DACUS

OKAY to Dragonic Reverse

YES to SHFFLs

OKAY to slide smashes

NO to L-cancel

NO to stronger DI

NO to techable tripping. Just remove that damn feature.


........ Anyone there?

BIG NEWS

It's been denied by nintendo that Miyamoto is stepping down. No source so far. I'll ask for it from F8AL

 

[Big-Cat]

Short moveset revamp for mewtwo:

[collapse=Mewtwo]Neutral special - Shadow ball

Quick homing projectile that deals 10% damage

Forward special - Psycho cut

Quickly creates a blade of psychic energy then slashes the enemy. Deals 13% damage and KOs at 123% frest.

Downward special - Barrier

Creates a barrier with an HP of 30.

Upward special - Teleport

Teleports simply. It has a lightning start up and ending lag. Also, Mewtwo is not helpless after but he can't do his recovery again


Basically, his standards have good damage, speed, KO potential, range and priority

His weight is super low.... He can be killed at 50 - 70% easily normally. He's also floaty.[/collapse]
He's like Phoenix. Has all the options for all situations but he's easy to kill and in general, he's a glass cannon.

I'm very iffy when it comes to glass cannons since, by their very design, can either be very good or very bad; that, and I don't want to see another Phoenix any time soon. A discussion I had with a friend of mine over a year ago was that Mewtwo would work best as a mind game character. Heck, now that I think about it, perhaps something like a mix of C. Viper and King of Fighter's Athena Asamiya may not be such a bad idea. Athena already has something similar to Metwo's Shadow Ball, Disable, and Teleport so maybe.

What should be the game physics of ssb4? I want them to have wavedashing, moonwalking, the melee combo ability, Brawl's Dacus, Yoshi's Dragonic Reverse (a weird wavedash/moonwalk due to his double jump properties), SHFFLs, Slide smashes, L-Canceling, Techable Tripping, and stronger DI. Add some new ones. Dashing side smashes (for those that move along ground while using a side smash(Wolf, Link, Kirby, Jiggs, Fox, and Falco would be broken for that).

Wavedashing - This needs to be made easier. How exactly, I don't know, but something that's easier for people with weak execution to do.

Moonwalking - Always found this to be a weird thing. Can't comment otherwise.

Melee combo ability - I'd rather see this worked out a bit actually. Giving everyone DI on their moves essentially makes everyone not only a mixup character but removes character diversity and actual combos.

DACUS - I'm ok with this as you don't actually need a C-Stick for this (I was doing this on day one by accident.) and it's a logical thing to keep if you take momentum into account. Probably the one thing in Brawl's physics that actually obeyed the laws of physics.

DR - Can't comment.

SHFFL - Minus the L-Canceling, yes.

Slide Smashes - Is this like DACUS?

L-Canceling - HELL NO! There is no strategic value behind L-Canceling. There is no reason to keep it in other than to have an arbitrary execution barrier up for new players.

Techable Tripping - Random tripping just needs to die in a fire. I'd actually like to see the knockdown system changed up as well. After playing other fighters, it seems a little plain that EVERYONE has a wakeup move with invincibility which I'd be fine with if it came with some cost like the use of some sort of meter or something.

DI - I think it should just be kept to Smash DI or whatever it is that alters trajectory on hit. I always thought everything else made it more complicated.

 

[SmashChu]

I probably could have just edited this into my last post since it was related anyway

Oh true. I though NMC had to do with Smash.
I also forgot who I originally got. Kamek maybe.

Don't worry, I don't dig facial hair.

UHM *looks for the SOURCE*

For this line
Sakurai also mentioned that even among Nintendo characters, there were some they couldn't consider due to intellectual property rights issues.
Did you find a source for that?

 

[Berserker.]

I'm very iffy when it comes to glass cannons since, by their very design, can either be very good or very bad; that, and I don't want to see another Phoenix any time soon. A discussion I had with a friend of mine over a year ago was that Mewtwo would work best as a mind game character. Heck, now that I think about it, perhaps something like a mix of C. Viper and King of Fighter's Athena Asamiya may not be such a bad idea. Athena already has something similar to Metwo's Shadow Ball, Disable, and Teleport so maybe.

I guess I got all caught up in the whole "Mewtwo being God" stuff. Anything works I guess. As long as it still keeps the charm of mewtwo.

Changed into a Christmas themed avatar

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I saw you change the avatar Berserker- (-lol-);;

Gauu, I really, really do wonder about Mewtwo, I don't know much about his chances right now.

 

[Berserker.]

I saw you change the avatar Berserker- (-lol-);;

Gauu, I really, really do wonder about Mewtwo, I don't know much about his chances right now.

Me too. I'm just interested with the guy because a lot of people like him.

I will now check on who this Athena person is.

WOW. I see what you mean now by Mewtwo being quite similar to Athena. Especially with the psycho cutter.... It's starting to get creepy now....

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

He was quite loved between my bros and cousins back in Melee. He was quite good. But damn that floatiness.

BTW, here's my revamped roster:

[collapse=Roster]

Mario

-Mario
-Luigi +
-Peach (Toadsworth is a B-move)
- Toad
-Bowser
-Bowser Jr. +

/I think both Toad and Bowser Jr. deserve to be in Smash, for their own reasons. Toad caters to old fans, while Bowser Jr. has been quite revelant in newest games anyway./

Donkey Kong

-Donkey Kong
-Diddy Kong
- Dixie Kong
- King K.Rool +

/Completed DK-representation. I'd do anything to see these all be in/

Yoshi

-Yoshi
Kamek+ (IMO, quite important and known character and a major villain of Yoshi's Island-series. He'd have movese potential too. Not very revelant though if looked to Mario-games, but when looked to Yoshi's- there ya have it.

Wario

-Wario (Wario Land Style, due Shake It.)

/I could add someone from Warioware to rep Warioware-series. Maybe Mona/

Pokemon

-Pikachu
-Jigglypuff
- Red/PKMN Trainer
- Lucario
- Mewtwo+
-Victini+

/ I think after Lucario it's an overkill to include another Mewtwo-built character like Zoroark, besides I think Victini would pose lots of great moves./

The Legend of Zelda

-Link (Skyward Sword-style)
-Zelda (No Shiek in Skyward Sword, so I wonder how she'll be like in Smash Bros...)
-Ganondorf+ (Declone more, please.)
- Tingle + (Comic Relief. He's very funny guy. His game series are hilarious and fun. I don't think he's a pedo. He can be annoying at times though, depending on the game.)

/No Ghirahim here, until Sakurai wants to appeal at Zelda-fans and still celebrate 25nth Anniversary even at 2014-15 by adding Ghirahim to the roster./


Kirby

-Kirby
-Meta Knight
-King Dedede

/Great as it is. Bandanna Dee could be a suprise, but that means there should be Koopas too!/

Metroid

-Samus (Zero Suit Samus-character removed)
- Ridley +

Fire Emblem

-Marth
- *New FE Representative/Krom*+
- Ike +

/I'd add Roy, but I don't think he's much realistic anymore/

Star Fox

-Fox
-Falco +
- Wolf + (Declone up.)

/Krystal's not much realistic anymore too, she could've appeared in Brawl, but we got Wolf instead.

F-Zero

-Captain Falcon
- Black Shadow +

Kid Icarus

-Pit
-Palutena
-Medusa


(Adding Palutena since she's bit like Zelda for KI, her name's in the japanese titles for KI and so on. There's also some evidence she could fight by herself... or not. But she's gained my support a lot these days. (-**-)
I could add Medusa too, since she'd fill the villain quota of the series.

This is still under construction, so no final. Will be updated after I get my hands on Kid Icarus Uprising when it's released)

Mother

-Ness +
-Lucas

/I dunno about Ninten, Mother-series aren't much alive anyway. It could complete the protagonists of each Mother-game though./

Pikmin:

-Olimar

/ I want to add Louie, but many think he's not that worth it./

Retro

- Ice Climbers
- Mr. Game & Watch +
- R.O.B +
- Takamaru +
-Little Mac

New:-Starfy

-Isaac +
- Saki
- Ray MK II +
- Lip

/I don't consider Lip retro, since Panel De Pon came at 1994, besides Puzzle League's been going on to 2007 too.

Also I dunno of Ray MK II, I'ven't much heard if his game's been noted by Nintendo much anyway.

I thought of adding Airan, I think she deserves to be in this game too, since she had also a huge role at Sin & Punishment. The roster was getting bit huge though./

3rd Party

-Snake+
-Sonic+
-Megaman +
[/collapse]

 

[Berserker.]

He was quite loved between my bros and cousins back in Melee. He was quite good. But damn that floatiness.

BTW, here's my revamped roster:

[collapse=Roster]Mario

-Mario
-Luigi +
-Peach (Toadsworth is a B-move)
- Toad
-Bowser
-Bowser Jr. +

/I think both Toad and Bowser Jr. deserve to be in Smash, for their own reasons. Toad caters to old fans, while Bowser Jr. has been quite revelant in newest games anyway./

Okay with this

Donkey Kong

-Donkey Kong
-Diddy Kong
- Dixie Kong
- King K.Rool +

/Completed DK-representation. I'd do anything to see these all be in/

Good

Yoshi

-Yoshi
Kamek+ (IMO, quite important and known character for Yoshi's Island-series. He'd have movese potential too. Not very revelant though if looked to Mario-games, but when looked to Yoshi's- there ya have it.

Errr.... As much as I love the guy, I don't think he's... that likely... UM WELL... He's like Toad except with lesser popularity

Wario

-Wario (Wario Land Style, due Shake It.)

/I could add someone from Warioware to rep Warioware-series. Maybe Mona/

Good

Pokemon

-Pikachu
-Jigglypuff
- Red/PKMN Trainer
- Mewtwo+
-Victini+

/ Can't still choose between Lucario or Zoroark./

Okay

The Legend of Zelda

-Link (Skyward Sword-style)
-Zelda (No Shiek in Skyward Sword, so I wonder how she'll be like in Smash Bros...)
-Ganondorf+ (Declone more, please.)
- Tingle + (Comic Relief. He's very funny guy. His game series are hilarious and fun. I don't think he's a pedo. He can be annoying at times though, depending on the game.)

/No Ghirahim here, until Sakurai wants to appeal at Zelda-fans and still celebrate 25nth Anniversary even at 2014-15 by adding Ghirahim to the roster./

Okay


Kirby

-Kirby
-Meta Knight
-King Dedede

Okay

Metroid

-Samus (Zero Suit Samus-character removed)
- Ridley +

Zero suit removed? NAH.

Fire Emblem

-Marth
- *New FE Representative/Krom*+
- Ike +

/I'd add Roy, but I don't think he's much realistic anymore/

Okay I guess....

Star Fox

-Fox
-Falco +
- Wolf + (Declone up.)

/Krystal's not much realistic anymore too, she could've appeared in Brawl, but we got Wolf instead.

Okay

F-Zero
-Captain Falcon
- Black Shadow +

Okay

Kid Icarus

-Pit
-Palutena
-Medusa


(Adding Palutena since she's bit like Zelda for KI, her name's in the japanese titles for KI and so on. There's also some evidence she could fight by herself... or not.
I could add Medusa too, since she'd fill the villain quota of the series.

This is still under construction, so no final. Will be updated after I get my hands on Kid Icarus Uprising when it's released)

Okay

Mother

-Ness +
-Lucas

/I dunno about Ninten, Mother-series aren't much alive anyway. It could complete the protagonists of each Mother-game though./

Okay

Pikmin:
-Olimar

Okay

Retro
- Ice Climbers
- Mr. Game & Watch +
- R.O.B +
- Takamaru +
-Little Mac

Okay

New:
-Starfy
-Isaac +
- Saki
- Ray MK II
- Lip +

/I don't consider Lip retro, since Panel De Pon came at 1994, besides Puzzle League's been going on to 2007 too.

Also I dunno of Ray MK II, I'ven't much heard if his game's been noted by Nintendo much anyway.

I thought of adding Airan, I think she deserves to be in this game too, since she had also a huge role at Sin & Punishment. The roster was getting bit huge though./

Ray isn't so.. likely but he's cool.

3rd Party

-Snake+
-Sonic+
-Megaman +

Dunno about the 3rd parties so I'll act like there's none in your roster.
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Only problems are Ray, lack of Zero Suit Samus and Kamek. Other than that, good roster

88/100

Oh and here's the source regarding Nintendo denying that Miyamoto is stepping down

 

[Aurane]

Oh come on, Lucario was awesome in his movie and deserved to be in Brawl, being the undisputed 4th gen mascot and all.

Not to mention he has the inceanse of a great fighter.

I'm not sayin that Lucario was a great addition to Brawl, (he's my secondary playable character other than Wolf, Luigi and Fox) I'm just sayin that I've would have been happier with Deoxys.
Also lets blame Pichu 4 this. He caused this unstability within the roster.

Deoxys came as a PokeBall...
GOOD ENOUGH.

Me too. I'm just interested with the guy because a lot of people like him.

I will now check on who this Athena person is.

WOW. I see what you mean now by Mewtwo being quite similar to Athena. Especially with the psycho cutter.... It's starting to get creepy now....

I wanted to slap you at first because I didn't see Elder Toad in there, but I'll let it go, because I remembered that darndest sunshine that once shined Lol jkin