New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Diddy Kong]

Then I want them at least to use more of Rare's characters in the next DKCR. Namely Kremlings.

Lol wrong page. Was directed to ---'s post

 

[Deleted member]

Top Roster Candidates v2 has begun! Those who are interested can start participating immediately.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Top Roster Candidates v2 has begun! Those who are interested can start participating immediately.

Just casted my votes.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Got my *** whooped now twice in a row by Ghirahim in Hero Mode. Even used a Potion as well, and have 7 hearts. This is harder than expected...

 

[Deleted member]

Just casted my votes.

Thanks.

This is doing much better then I expected. Hopefully, it'll be more successful then the previous version considering that it is on Youtube, GameFAQs, and here.

 

[Shorts]

This will be a taunt.

 

[---]

It's funny but he's still just as fabulous as ever in that pic.

 

[Aurane]

@Shortie ...So, Ganondorf, Link, Zelda/Shiek, and Young Link for Sm4sh. Ok, good O_o

@SSBF My votes are casted in. Mewtwo's getting a little too high on votes. What addiction problems

I voted for Victini too, but it didn't register. I wonder why?

For those of you with the Japanese games, the Pokémon Lucario is to be distributed over the Global Link. This Lucario will be at Level 10 with its Hidden Ability of Justified and knows the special move Bullet Punch. It is to be given via a password released on December 22nd through the magazine: Weekly Famitsu. Full details on the distribution are not currently known including whether it's breedable and how long the distribution lasts

T_T WHAAAAAT!?

 

[Starphoenix]

So, Mario Kart 7's track music has finally hit Youtube. At first I was just clicking along following the bread crumb trail of Youtube links and made my way to Rainbow Road. I thought to myself "Oh, hey, it is Rainbow Road. Let me click on this link and listen to how good this version is. Starting out pretty good, kind of reminds me of Custom Rob-FREAKIN CRAP THIS IS EPIC!!!"

So yeah I added the track to my Rainbow Road stage concept. Once screens hit I am going to update my stage concept. So far Mario Kart 7 has a rockin' soundtrack. Wish I had not cancelled my 3DS order. The rest of the songs are just for fun.

Mario Kart 7 - Rainbow Road

Mario Kart Wii - Toad Factory
Super Mario Kart - Mario Circuit (Brawl)
Mario Kart 64 - Luigi Circuit (Brawl)
Mario Kart DS - Waluigi Pinball (Brawl)
Mario Tennins/Golf - Mario Tennis / Mario Golf (Brawl)
3D Hot Rally - Title (3D Hot Rally) (Brawl)
Mario Sports Mix - Bowser Jr. Boulevard
Mario Super Sluggers - Mario Stadium
Mario Strikers Charged - Galactic Stadium
Mario Party - Rainbow Castle ~ In The Mushroom Forest
Mario Hoops 3 on 3 - Sherbert Land

 

[kikaru]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask but my roommate and I are coming up with potential candidates and adjustments for characters we would like to see in the next game. We have already developed movesets for most of these characters. We also made a number of adjustments to current characters as well. I'm just looking for opinions about what the SmashBoards think about our list.

We're set on 49 characters. (5x10 Board with one space for Random)
Only up to one new character per new/current franchise.
Each franchise can have up to 5 characters max.
Samus and Zero Suit Samus will both have their own square.
All characters from Brawl with the exception of Lucario will return in the next game.
We would also like your opinions on our alternate costumes as well. We also need to come up with one or two more characters as well...

Additional/New Characters:

Rosalina. (Mario Galaxy)
Neku. (The World Ends With You)
Lloyd Irving (Tales of Symphonia)
Hector OR Miciah (Fire Emblem) Still debating.
Sora (Kingdom Hearts)
Deku/Zora/Goron (Majora's Mask. Young Link will switch between masks)
Megaman (Megaman Series)
Victini (Pokemon)
Dark Samus (Metroid Series)
Isaac (Golden Sun)
Simon Belmont (Castlevania)
Crono (Chrono Trigger)
Mewtwo (Pokemon)
Piplup/Bayleef/Blaziken (Pokemon)

Reasoning/Very very basic mechanics:

Rosalina is a recurring character in Mario Galaxy. Her moveset will primarily use the stars that she has. There is also a lack of female characters in Smash.

Neku has his own successful game and will be featured in the next KH. His moveset will utilize a wide variety of pins.

Lloyd Irving will be the first twin blade character in the game. He will exhibit a slight variation in his B moves depending if you set him to S type or T type.

Hector/Miciah is still in debate, however an additional Fire Emblem character is necessary.
Sora is self explanatory.

Deku/Zora/Goron Link will act similarly to Pokemon Trainer that Link can switch between characters. This may also promote the release of Majora's Mask for the 3DS like how Marth and Roy promoted Fire Emblem to be localized.

Megaman also deserves a slot in the next game. His moveset will consist of Rush as well as being able to switch between two additional forms.

Victini will represent the 5th generation. Victini will be light and demonstrate Fire and Psychic type moves.

Likewise Pokemon Trainer (Using Piplup/Bayleef/Blaziken) will represent generations 2,3,and 4. For players who enjoyed Pokemon Trainer in Brawl will notice only a slight difference in the mechanics/movesets.

Mewtwo should also return by replacing Lucario.

Dark Samus is an important villain in the Metroid series. Dark Samus will also have attacks based off of Metroid 2 and 3, not making Dark Samus a clone.

Isaac should not have been an Assist Trophy to begin with. His moveset will be Psynergy based EQUIPMENT. Catch, Move, Force, etc etc.

Simon Belmont. When you hear Castlevania you should be thinking of Simon Belmont, the man who started it all. He will utilize weapons that continue to recur in newer Castlevania series such as Holy Water, Boomerang, and Throwing Axes.

Crono. Nintendo has not developed a new series, therefore why not draw from the old series that were considered some of Nintendo's best work?


Alternate Costumes:
Mario--> Doctor Mario. Uses Pill instead of the Fireball. Same mechanics.
Pokemon Trainer--> No alternate colors. Uses male and female models. One for each generation of Pokemon.
Wario--> Same as Brawl.

We also believe that Ganondorf should receive a complete overhaul, drawing attacks from Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess instead of being a Captain Falcon clone...
On another note either Wolf should be dropped and replaced with Krystal, or change Wolf's moveset so that he is not a Fox/Falco (semi)clone.


Thoughts and comments?

 

[Starphoenix]

Well, to keep it short I do not think most all of your third party selections apart from Megaman are likely. At all. Rosalina does not really have the fanbase or impact of say Toad or Bowser Jr right now. Those are the characters are with the lead, well, and Waluigi too. Much to the dismay of others.

Hector and Micaiah are really non factors at this point since there is little genuine support for either characters and they are both (at least for Hector anyways) rather irrelevant in their series at this point.

Victini can go either way. With PKMN Trainer I do not think Sakurai cares much about adequate Pokémon generation representation, don't expect him to now.

Dark Samus I agree with more because I feel that people write her/it off way too quickly. Majora's Mask Link is not likely, sadly.

Mewtwo and Isaac are solid choices. Cutting Wolf for Krystal is a bad move.

My opinions.

 

[army man]

as much as i'd like to see sora, i think we can pretty much say he's not going to be in

 

[Madame puff]

^ And thus texture hacking was born..... But you never know sakurai could actually just slap in a random 3rd party character(of course with the companies permission.)

 

[Oasis_S]

Those are the characters are with the lead, well, and Waluigi too. Much to the dismay of others.

Hippiehippiehippie.

 

[Starphoenix]

Say what you will about Waluigi, but he was an Assist Trophy after all. What was Toad and Bowser Jr again? I do not like him but I do not let my bias affect my analysis.

 

[---]

Say what you will about Waluigi, but he was an Assist Trophy after all. What was Toad and Bowser Jr again? I do not like him but I do not let my bias affect my analysis.

That's a little hypocritical after what you said when I was backing up Waluigi.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

...Toad was a move. I'd say he's about the same fate as Waluigi, or has nearly the same effect on gameplay.

Bowser Jr.'s only a Sticker/Trophy.

Going by pure logic based upon what's happened, Toad and Waluigi would have almost equal chances of getting in, with Jr. the least.(I'd say Toad has a slightly higher since he's guaranteed to affect gameplay as long as Peach is played, while Waluigi will show up less due to Assist Trophies being random) But eh. That's why I said almost equal anyway.

 

[Starphoenix]

That's a little hypocritical after what you said when I was backing up Waluigi.

No it is not. I am not saying Waluigi is any more likely than Toad or Bowser Jr as I still believe those characters have the edge over him. However, I am not going to scoff at him and treat him as a character on the same level of absurdity as Goku.

 

[Madame puff]

*cries about the rosalina part* But i do agree with that Bowser jr.and toad have more a chance of appearing than her. As for Waluigi He's kinda popular but i dont think he has more of a fanbase to back him up.


Edit: I meant that Waluigi has less of a fanbase, not Bjr., forgot to check it after i typed it.

 

[---]

No it is not. I am not saying Waluigi is any more likely than Toad or Bowser Jr as I still believe those characters have the edge over him. However, I am not going to scoff at him and treat him as a character on the same level of absurdity as Goku.

Alright, that's what I was doing back then as well.

Toad/Jr. > Waluigi

 

[Starphoenix]

Alright, that's what I was doing back then as well.

Toad/Jr. > Waluigi

Oh stop being sensitive.

Besides, you should listen to the beautiful Rainbow Road music from Mario Kart 7 I posted on the last page.

 

[Oasis_S]

Say what you will about Waluigi, but he was an Assist Trophy after all. What was Toad and Bowser Jr again? I do not like him but I do not let my bias affect my analysis.

My Supply of Sticks and Stones is Substantial.

How about we have none of the above and go with K. Rool and Dixie. They're at least more interesting than Toad, and more notable than Junior and Waluigi.

And it makes my CSS line up perfectly. That is the most important factor.

 

[Big-Cat]

I'm saddened that Rainbow Road was not made the Mario Kart stage in Brawl. That and Bowser's Castle are the only two locations that have appeared in every Mario Kart game.

And nothing will ever replace Rainbow Road 64 in my heart. I would always pick the Special Cup ONLY because of Rainbow Road.

 

[---]

Oh stop being sensitive.

Besides, you should listen to the beautiful Rainbow Road music from Mario Kart 7 I posted on the last page.

I'd say that I was being playful.

The only things that truly get to me is when the IGN Pokemon poll is brought up or if we get into another repetitive Mario rep dissucusion.


Great song though. It makes me glad I put the game on my Christmas list. lol

 

[Starphoenix]

My Supply of Sticks and Stones is Substantial.

How about we have none of the above and go with K. Rool and Dixie. They're at least more interesting than Toad, and more notable than Junior and Waluigi.

And it makes my CSS line up perfectly. That is the most important factor.

Hey hey HEY, you leave Toad alone buddy. Especially when you have the words "more interesting" succeeding Dixie Kong. You want to talk about uninteresting? Please, that monkey is it.

I'm saddened that Rainbow Road was not made the Mario Kart stage in Brawl. That and Bowser's Castle are the only two locations that have appeared in every Mario Kart game.

And nothing will ever replace Rainbow Road 64 in my heart. I would always pick the Special Cup ONLY because of Rainbow Road.

Trust me, I have a very strong feeling Rainbow Road will replace Mario Circuit in the next game. Rainbow Road was a very popular stage request pre-Brawl and I have not really seen that change. Sakurai has a tendency to reuse a stage concept but take it further. I fully expect this to happen with Rainbow Road.

The only things that truly get to me is when the IGN Pokemon poll is brought up or if we get into another repetative Mario rep dissucusion.

Ugh, I HATE Pokémon discussion. Do you have any idea how those debates make me feel inside? Furious, outraged, sick with anger!

Kikaru, you're more than welcome to jump back in the pool if you want. No one is going to knock you down.

In other news, Nintendo is actually advertising Fortune Street. Go figure. Reggie even said he expects the game to do really well. Huh.

 

[Deleted member]

@kikaru: You've come to the right place.

About your roster: Put Zero Suit Samus as a transformation like in Brawl. Them separating will happen when pigs fly. Rosalina is not going to get in over Toad, Bowser Jr., Paper Mario, or even Waluigi. Her only hope is a sixth slot, which is not likely.

Neku will almost certainly not be in any Smash game. It is too obscure of a third-party to put a slot in and I don't see it getting the fan demand/the willingness from Square Enix to contact Sakurai to put him in the game.

Lloyd Irving is also extremely unlikely due to what small fan base it has mostly collapsing. Hector and Lyn will probably not show up. Their best shot was in Brawl and now that they've missed it, our only options that can be seriously considered are Roy and Krom.

Sora faces messy licensing issues from Disney. I absolutely cannot see him in the game. Majora's Mask Link would be awesome, but is almost certainly not getting in unless Majora's Mask 3DS remake is done, which even then is unlikely for him to show up.

Dark Samus will probably not appear unless Sakurai absolutely feels that franchise needs a third rep (Ridley will get first bidding if a Metroid rep is in) and/or has extra time to add him.

Simon Belmont and Crono are choices I like (although I don't care for Simon's inclusion), but are very unlikely at best. There are many faces to Castlevania and Crono's series is dead. Also, Crono is not owned by Nintendo.

Pokemon Trainer will probably keep what it has or if not, switch to entirely 2nd/3rd/5th gen Pokemons.

Cutting Wolf for Krystal is a bad idea. If Krystal gets in, it will be as a possible fourth rep, but I have doubts about that.

There is way too many third-party characters (eight is not happening) and the vast majority of your roster needs to be cut if you're looking for realism. Cut every newcomer but Mega Man, Victini, Mewtwo (returnee), and Isaac and add these:

- Toad/Bowser Jr./Paper Mario (Pick one)
- King K. Rool/Dixie Kong (Pick one)
- Maybe Ghirahim/Tingle (Pick one)
- Ridley
- Roy/Krom (who is more realistic depends on FE13's reception and impact on the series)
- Palutena/Medusa (One will almost certainly happen, but two newcomers from this series is also plausible)
- Takamaru/Lip (Pick one)
- Little Mac
- Saki Amamiya/Starfy/Ray (Depending on your picks, pick at least one of these or add all three)
- Slime/Layton/Ryu Hayabusa (Either pick one or have Mega Man as the only third-party newcomer)

This should help out a lot with your roster.

And nothing will ever replace Rainbow Road 64 in my heart. I would always pick the Special Cup ONLY because of Rainbow Road.

I loved that stage and it's my favorite version of Rainbow Road. Too bad that version will never be in.

 

[kikaru]

Yeah, I can understand that my roster has a number of characters that don't have the best shot of getting in, however I cannot understand how Ridley and Toad will have a viable moveset despite having a higher fanbase. (I only point out these because these are two of the most common characters I see in custom rosters)

Our roster revolves around a characters importance to a game, the development of a good moveset, recurrence in the same series, significance in a Nintendo series, as well as a supportive fanbase. We take in aspects of playability over fanbase, although fanbase is also a large contributing factor to a characters probability in entering the next game. (Not implying that it is the best, but it did take much thought) But I can also understand your viewpoint as well.

We also did consider Layton however we didn't want him to be like Phoenix Wright in the new UMVC. It seems as though that giving him a fighting style would not fit his demeanor in other Professor Layton games. With Phoenix, his goofy style already present in the games seemed appropriate for UMVC.

I also would like to know what the reasoning is to limit 3rd party characters to one?
These suggestions will definitely help us out!

 

[Starphoenix]

I do not think it is a matter of us trying to limit it too one. The thing about third party characters is they are such a special event at this point in time that not just any character is going to get in. My belief is that has more to play into our reasoning, at least mine. Tis all.

 

[Shorts]

What was that about Dixie Star? I couldn't hear you past TOAD'S LACK OF INTERESTING. It causes exploding head syndrome.

When Toad has a moveset that doesn't involve things that Mario, and the rest of the gang can ALSO DO, you can talk down about Dixie being less interesting. At least she has flying hair. What does Toad have? A nice runaway scream? An A+ in human sheilding?

Those are the ONLY two things he has done in Smash so far.


ALSO, Toad is a butthead.

 

[Starphoenix]

What was that about Dixie Star? I couldn't hear you past TOAD'S LACK OF INTERESTING. It causes exploding head syndrome.

When Toad has a moveset that doesn't involve things that Mario, and the rest of the gang can ALSO DO, you can talk down about Dixie being less interesting. At least she has flying hair. What does Toad have? A nice runaway scream? An A+ in human sheilding?

Those are the ONLY two things he has done in Smash so far.


ALSO, Toad is a butthead.

For the record, apart from the hair Dixie Kong would be no different than Diddy Kong besides gender. Just saying.

Anyways Toad has the ability to do a lot of things no one in the Smash Bros Mario crew does. I am not even sure why this is an issue worth docking points over?

Speaking of Donkey Kong. I remember when Diddy Kong was first revealed I remember hoping his Final Smash would be his guitar attack from Donkey Kong 64. It seemed like a perfect idea yet Sakurai gave Peanut Pop Gun frenzy.

 

[Shorts]

Liiiike? What?

Fly high suicidebird.


I think Dixie is a chimp, and Diddy is a monkey. GAME OVER.

 

[Starphoenix]

Liiiike? What?

Fly high suicidebird.


I think Dixie is a chimp, and Diddy is a monkey. GAME OVER.

Bombs, for starters. Has the ability to run up walls. He also has the shroom thing going for him which Sakurai could probably focus his creative liberty towards. Physically he is agile yet very strong. The rest of his moves can be fleshed out with other things taken from the Mario series. Considering most every characters moveset is mostly creative liberty I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. At least with Toad I can see his potential. Heck, even Bowser Jr and Waluigi have that same potential. All of whom I am no fan of by any means.

Yeah yeah, technicalities aside my point stands.

 

[---]

Meh, while I don't really see exactly how Toad would fight (in terms of fighting style), I do agree that he has much potential.

 

[Starphoenix]

Meh, while I don't really see exactly how Toad would fight (in terms of fighting style), I do agree that he has much potential.

I can quite easily. In fact I am surprised there are so many people who don't. Maybe I should just transcribe what I see when I think of Toad? It would probably make it much easier to explain. I'll do that when my finals are over, along with other things.

The one thing I hope they would do with him is keep the reluctant, nervous personality he has.

 

[Oasis_S]

Sticks and Stones, Star.

Shorts and I Shall Strike this Shroom-man whom is Similar to a Scrotum.

That is to say, Toad is balls.

 

[Shorts]

Yes, his reluctent to fight, nervous because he can't fight well personality.

 

[Big-Cat]

Meh, while I don't really see exactly how Toad would fight (in terms of fighting style), I do agree that he has much potential.

What's for berserker to post our moveset.

 

[---]

Well if I may relate this back to the rumored Sakurai quote, if many people, even now, can't see what he can do, maybe Sakurai won't either, for in it he says he couldn't think of a moveset for him back in Melee as well.

Either way, IMO the only thing that is between Toad and playable status is a unique moveset that keeps his "character" intact. It is a shame though, I must say.

 

[Starphoenix]

Sticks and Stones, Star.

Shorts and I Shall Strike this Shroom-man whom is Similar to a Scrotum.

That is to say, Toad is balls.

Do not make me go after Ridley or Mach Rider.

What's for berserker to post our moveset.

Actually my concept for Toad is drastically different from his.

 

[Kantrip]

That picture is da bess, BrOasis.