New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Aurane]

I find the number pad thing a lot more simple, so that's completely subjective. You just learned it a different way. Both ways are entirely simple, really. Left, right, up, down. As long as you mean the same thing, it doesn't matter. I don't care either way as long as somebody gives me an explanation. That was already done, so eh, not a problem.

In otherwords, Diddy, he is actually part of the SCI (Smash Crime Investigators) who use numbers in order to achieve a combo

Still more Zelda discussion?

Well, we could ALWAYS talk about Pokemon. It's always a possiblility

 

[Deleted member]

No I mean like, Wario's costumes.

Zelda/Sheik have BOTH Traditional AND SS costumes.

Okay, then I fully approve of the idea.

@asage94: There's nothing really to say about Pokemon right now other then the fact that we know a few details of the 15th movie which may or may not have a second event Pokemon revealed (Keldeo will be revealed and chances are the second hidden symbol is Kyurem's second form).

 

[Johnknight1]

Yeah, you aren't going to use those terms because no such things exist in those games. On the other hand, Smash has a lot of made up terms for things that already existed. We didn't need to have FTilt and just use 6A instead. I remember there was some kind of technique that Samus had in Melee which was pretty much fancy talk for kara-canceling. Same thing for Project M calling Lucario's chains On Hit Canceling. That one might be justified as the name says what it is while chains doesn't.

Yes, but smash's terms are just easier to say. Plus most of us here actually understand what they mean, unlike 237294172982484!

And how the hell can I be late for supper for six days when I'm away at college?

You go to college at Uncle Melvin's Barnyard School of Medicine just 15 minutes away from here my sweet little Kumasweetcheeks. You live in the basement silly billy. That is where I leave your food funny bunny. Yet, you haven't come home in 15 weeks. Are you sleeping in Uncle Melvin's bunker by the chicken farm again=???

@3rd Party Items: I find it funny no one has brought up Snake's Cigarettes as an item yet.

Or Big Boss' cigars.

Snake: Hey Otacon, who is this guy with the mask, wings, and sword I just sold my steroids to?
Otacon: Wait.. what? Why would you sell someone steroids Snake?
Snake: I need the money for my cigarettes. Plus I already took all the steroids I need to have an advantage here in smash bros...
Otacon: Ughhh...
Snake: Hey, DON'T JUDGE ME! I AM A FULL GROWN ADERT!
Otacon: What? Calm down Snake. I'm not going there.
Snake: Just tell me who that guy... soldier... thing is.
Otacon: That's Meta Knight, Snake. He's can fly, attack at lightning speeds with his sword, and apparently is also the same species as Kirby.
Snake: Does his biography or any information you have say anything about him being powerful Otacon?
Otacon: The only thing it says in his biography is he isn't that his lack of power and kill moves is his only offensive weakness.
Snake: Interesting. I hope I didn't make him stronger by giving him those steroids.
Otacon: It would be funny if he was one of the only character stronger than you.
Snake: That would be the day.

 

[Shorts]

I don't think a lot of you people who are newer/less active a year or two back realize, Zelda usually HAS NOTHING TO DISCUSS.

Like, Tingle, and Toon Zelda were the only LEGITIMATE characters to talk about, and style wise, they didn't affect any other LoZ characters.

Zelda is SOMETHING new to talk about, I think anyways. It may be annoying to you, but think of people like me, who have been active on the BOTH SSB4 threads, since 2009. This is SOMETHING to talk about. Something we've never HAD MUCH to say about, finally brings something.

It brought us a cool Zelda costume, and Debbie.

 

[Metal Overlord]

It isn't annoying at all, Shortie, I actually like that something other than Pokermanz is being talked about, some hearty Zelda discussion at that

I just figured that people would have switched to a different topic by now. Guess I was wrong

 

[Tacket]

Would anyone be excited Conker the Squirrel was in the game (third party)?
I know I would.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

It'll be interesting to see what Zelda's next fashion statement will be.

 

[Conviction]

Sooooooooooo............is 8A Usmash or Utilt?

 

[Diddy Kong]

More and more people will eventually beat Skyward Sword and come discuss Zelda. So it's gonna come up anyway.

Personally I still want good reasons why Sheik should return. She is as much as a one shot character as about every other character, who I think was extremely lucky to have a design for Twilight Princess on her. But say if she wouldn't come back to the series, why should she still be a part of Zelda? Especially since people want them seperate since the beginning (Impa fits nicely here).

Though Zelda characters are iffy anyway. It all depends on the next Zelda games for me about who should get in, and who doesn't. Though it'd feel like Skyward Sword would be forgotten in the progress, which I wouldn't like. That's why I say Impa should get in, Skyward Sword-style. Replace her in the way Lucario replaced Mewtwo, and we have JUSTICE.

Seriously, why is Sheik more deserving of the spot than Mewtwo? Or Ike? Both characters appeared in games far more recent than OoT, and are both more important to their respective series. Yet, Lucario made it before Mewtwo, and Ike will likely be replaced by Chrome, or Fire Emblem lord-Wii U (or both, really want a FE WiiU badly). So why should Sheik stay if we have the perfect replacement ready?

 

[yani_]

Would anyone be excited Conker the Squirrel was in the game (third party)?
I know I would.

I'd rather Banjo-Kazooie

Impa should replace Tingle as an AT

 

[Shorts]

Sheik being added had nothing to do with the reasons behind ANY characters being cut, except for maybe TOON SHEIK.

Seriously, what's your deal? Her and Jiggs are pretty much SEALED. Heck, everyone who was previously in Melee, and transitioned to Brawl is PROBABLY sealed. And if not, Sheik is NOT one of them. Zelda is Sheik, Sheik is Zelda. They're a dual character who don't need to be seperated.

NOW Charizard

No, really, my problem with PT is MUCH DIFFERENT than your problem with Sheik. PT will never be what I want, unfortunetly. BUT AT LEAST I EXCEPT IT. Just like you should except the fact that Sheik is coming back.

Sheik isn't leaving, and Pokemon Trainer PROBABLY isn't either.

Impa should replace Tingle as an AT

And then become playable. Good idea!

 

[Diddy Kong]

Lets just say that if any Melee character excisting in Brawl who should be cut it's Sheik... >_>

What exactly is your problem with PT? I like the character(s), but my only problem is the stamina, and perhaps some part of the movesets...

 

[Tacket]

Guys, if you want to play as Dark Samus in the next game, I suggest you just use a palette swap (cough...Dark Link...cough cough).

Also, Pokémon Trainer is going to return most likely, but this time he'll probably have new Pokémon.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Sheik is a pretty established character in Smash, and she is part of one of the main "gimmicks" of another character, so I'm pretty certain she'll never even face the risk of being cut

BTW, isn't Conker owned by Rare?

 

[reserk]

Guys, if you want to play as Dark Samus in the next game, I suggest you just use a palette swap (cough...Dark Link...cough cough).

Also, Pokémon Trainer is going to return most likely, but this time he'll probably have new Pokémon.

i want the hoenn trainer! alsothey should give you a choice of being the male or female rainer. plus treeco, marshtomp and blaziken as their pokemon. :D

 

[Tacket]

Yes, Conker is Rare.
I'm sure Microsoft will let Conker be in this Nintendo game just like Sony and Snake.

Also,
Conker>Banjo Kazooie
All day; err day

 

[Johnknight1]

No I mean like, Wario's costumes.

Zelda/Sheik have BOTH Traditional AND SS costumes.

Anyone who disproves of this is crazy. Alternate outfits/costumes for the win.

Other alternate outfit ideas:
[COLLAPSE="~Other Alternate Outfit Ideas I have~"]

• Mario: Shades and the nice Hawaiian shirt he had in Super Mario Sunshine. Waluigi colors. A Dr. Mario alternate color.
• Luigi: Mr. L for the win!!! And his Pink color needs to actually change his skin color again!
• Peach: Maybe give her Daisy's face in her Daisy look. A Rosalina or Paulina look would be funny.
• Bowser: Dry Bowser. Maybe a pure black and rainbow look. A pure pink/blondish yellow look (like Peach) would be funny.
• Link: A realistic looking like in the Wii U Zelda demo and his Skyward Sword partially cel-shaded look.
• Toon Link: His Spirit Tracks look, including his "Island Clothes" from the Wind Waker. A more realistic Melee Young Link alternate look would rock, too.
• Ganondorf: Demise... ??? ... I would love to see Ganondorf have a Link green outfit (with the tunic). That and rock the pink!
• Zelda: Her Ocarina of Time look, Twilight Princess look, and Skyward Sword look. Maybe give her the same outfit she had as a kid in Ocarina of Time for pure awesome.
• Sheik: Melee Ocarina of Time look, Brawl Twilight Princess look, and maybe a newer look.
• Samus: Actually give us different versions of her Power Suit. The actual Fusion Suit (and maybe subsequent colors of it), Dark Suit (Prime 2), Light Suit (Prime 2), Phazon Suit (Prime 1), basic power suit (Zero Mission, Prime 1), Varia Suit, Gravity Suit, PED Suit (Prime 3), and maybe even a Dark Samus alternate outfit. We don't need all of these, but a couple of them would be nice.
• Zero Suit Samus: Maybe a form with shorter hair and a different suit or a differently designed suit (ie: one with stripes).
• Yoshi: Boshi would rock! Realistically, give us a Yoshi with hair for awesomeness, but more colors are the only thing that are really needed.
• Kirby: Meta Knight colors! Also, way more colors. Maybe a hat or something that Kirby wears after he absorbs the power of various enemies from his games.
• Meta Knight: King Dedede colors. Maybe a pure bronze and platinum color palette.
• King Dedede: Meta Knight colors, pure black, and all pink!
• Fox: Give him his outfits from Star Fox Adventures, Assault, and Command as alternate outfits. Also a completely white look would rock.
• Falco: Give him his outfits from Assault and Command with extra color pallets for each.
• Wolf: Give him his a outfit with his Star Fox 64 look (eye patch included). A pure red outfit would rock, as would a pure brown Wolf.
• Pikachu: All of Pikachu and Pichu's previous hats. Also, maybe throw in some actual color changes to the Pikachu itself. Maybe add some of Jigglypuff's bows, hats, and whatnot.
• Jigglypuff: Everything Pichu and Pikachu wears, plus new colors.
• Lucario: Rainbow, gold, silver, and bronze color looks. A Mewtwo and Pikachu color look would rock, too.
• Mewtwo: Actual color changes. Full red, dark black, demon colored, with armor, Lucario-colored, and maybe a gold, silver, and bronze look.
• Pichu: All of Jigglypuff and Pikachu's head gear. Plus maybe a shiny Pichu (with all of that maybe).
• Pokémon Trainer: Give the various Pokémon hats, bows, headbands, etc like Pikachu, Pichu, and Jigglypuff have had. Also, maybe make different Trainers. At least a female!
• Captain Falcon: He needs an American flag look. Also, a Snake outfit would be epic! I would also love to see Captain Falcon wearing Samurai Goroh's and Zero Suit Samus' clothes!
• Ness: Give him some of other characters' hats (Mario's, Luigi's, Wario's two hats, etc). Also, maybe even give him a Nintendo logo white T-shirt!
• Lucas: Give him other character's shirts (Diddy Kong's, the Pokémon Trainer's, Mario's). Maybe even give him a Ness shirt/hat look! Also, Masked Man look for the win!
• Ice Climbers: Reverse colors (Nana in blue, Popo in pink), reverse which one you control. Also, maybe give them like Ness/Lucas, Mario/Luigi, and Diddy/Dixie shirt colors.
• Mr. Game and Watch: Every color ever.
• Marth: Roy's and Ike's outfit.
• Ike: His Radiant Dawn look (and 5 alternate colors) plus his Brawl look (all 6 colors).
• Roy: A revamped new look, his old colors, a Marth look/colors, and an Ike look/colors. Maybe give him his father as an alternate outfit.
• Pit: Give him a rainbow color look. Maybe give him some black/white, gold/silver, and red/blue-esk looks, because he looks stale with just one color.
• Wario: Full on Waluigi, Mario, and Luigi colors on both his Wario Ware and Wario Land looks.
• Captain Olimar: a Louis alternate look.
• ROB: Pure black, maybe Mario/Luigi colors, and a camouflage color.
• Snake: Big Boss alternate looks (one from Peace Walker, one from MGS4), Snake's MGS1 look, Snake is a tuxedo, Snake's MGS4 look (one with the militia hood, one in the suit). A Liquid Snake suit may be too much work, but I would love that. A Zero Suit Samus outfit would be hilarious!
• Sonic: Color swaps that have the same colors as Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, and Jet. A Metal Sonic alternate look would rock. Maybe a Mario hat with a Sega logo!

[/COLLAPSE]
I would be happy with just 5% of these (That aren't already in smash). Obviously expecting all of that would be INSANE!

 

[Deleted member]

@Tacket: Unless Conker leaves the nest of Microsoft, he's not happening. Would be cool, though.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Yes, Conker is Rare.
I'm sure Microsoft will let Conker be in this Nintendo game just like Sony and Snake.

Also,
Conker>Banjo Kazooie
All day; err day

Nintendo sold Rare to Microsoft though. As a result, Nintendo can't use any of the Rare Ltd. characters on any major consoles.

 

[Tacket]

@SSB FAN
My bubble, it has been burst

Also, nice and original list of alternate attire, but Olimar already has a Louie costume.

 

[Johnknight1]

Well while you're hoping for that, I'm going to suggest sheik SS version takes some INSIRATION from SS Impa.

Sheik isn't leaving, and Impa isn't being added. Let's just STOMP THAT OUT right now.

Gotta agree with the Shorts...

Yes, Conker is Rare.
I'm sure Microsoft will let Conker be in this Nintendo game just like Sony and Snake.

Umm.... yeah. Sony doesn't own Snake. At all. Snake is owned by Konami, an independent major third party video game publisher.

The only way Conker could appear in Smash Bros. would be on the 3DS version. Microsoft has allowed Rare to make games for Nintendo (and maybe in the future Sony) handheld consoles since Microsoft doesn't have one. You shouldn't expect Conker or Banjo in Super Smash Bros Wii U. At all.

 

[augustoflores]

here at the Smash 4 Discussion Thread, when we say alternative outfit, we refer to the model to change (note that changing models does not change bones and rigging)

in essence, Louie's face would be in place of Olimar's.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

here at the Smash 4 Discussion Thread, when we say alternative outfit, we refer to the model to change (note that changing models does not change rigging)

Yeah there's a difference between a recolor, and an actual model change.

 

[Shorts]

I WAS BORED about a week ago, so I decided to make a little THING of all my PERSONAL favorite Pokemon character ideas. I thought it MAY be fun to play a little game.

Okay first off, ANY BUNCHED Pokes, means a trainer. So, I want you to pick two rosters.

The Trainer Roster (Four Pokemon, one Trainer) and then the POKE roster. (Six solo Pokemon)

Course, the trainer choices are, Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, and Champion Cynthia.

 

[Aurane]

Lets just say that if any Melee character excisting in Brawl who should be cut it's Sheik... >_>

What exactly is your problem with PT? I like the character(s), but my only problem is the stamina, and perhaps some part of the movesets...

Shiek should be cut? Bring back Y.Link and I'll agree to this.\

Charizard could of been better. Should of added Sesmic Toss as a throw move. Also, the switch thing was annoying. No one wants to main all three of them.

Guys, if you want to play as Dark Samus in the next game, I suggest you just use a palette swap (cough...Dark Link...cough cough).

Also, Pokémon Trainer is going to return most likely, but this time he'll probably have new Pokémon.

I've said the same thing, but no one listened T_T

As for new PT, I've said it before: Ethan from Gold/Silver, using Typhlosion, Bayleef, and Totodile. That, or Typhlosion, Grovyle, and Piplup. JUST sayin.

Pokemon Trainer from Gold/Silver?! I say, my boy, you're wrong. Did you forget the Black and White heroes? Or are you believing still that classic returns mean anything to PT now? If so, Gary for Sm4sh... But then again, you can't beat a classic with a... classicer.

 

[augustoflores]

shortie... why are you not in your articuno attire?

 

[Aurane]

shortie... why are you not in your articuno attire?

I forgot to tell you... Your avatar is completly awesome.

 

[Tacket]

Sorry for the Sony/Konami mixup.

Hey, if Conker actually did appear in SSB4 do you thing they would revive his old children's game personality?

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Guys, if you want to play as Dark Samus in the next game, I suggest you just use a palette swap (cough...Dark Link...cough cough).

I did mention Dark Samus as an alternate outfit for Samus at one point.

 

[Shorts]

Actually, I'm Swanna now >:

OASIS, you cannot be MOLTRES. Pick a dumb bird with me.

I'm not changing my SHORTS TRAINER avi, until I FIND A NICE Sassy Swanna pic.

MEEP. I'm a sassy goose. With my hands on my hips~

 

[Johnknight1]

What's wrong with calling the moves stuff like F tilt, D Smash, U Air and **** like that?? Are you guys talking about Smash still??

No, we're talking about secret weapons being produced by the Martians being used against the Venusians.

No I'd rather keep things simple enough for me to understand. I'm already using lots of my brain trying to understand women. You should know that that's more brain cell consuming than anything else.

I freaking lul'd!

i want the hoenn trainer! alsothey should give you a choice of being the male or female rainer. plus treeco, marshtomp and blaziken as their pokemon. :D

Why does anyone want a new Pokémon Trainer to replace the classic original=??? The original starters are the best. The rest are just posers. I understand people want more Pokémon playable, but let's slow down. If you all want different actual Trainers, just ask for a option to choose another trainer (the playable ones in the other generations).

This game will have well under 60 playable characters, not over 600. Let us calm down here folks. Unless we are talking trainer model swap or more Pokémon for the Pokémon Trainer...

 

[Aurane]

Actually, I'm Swanna now >:

OASIS, you cannot be MOLTRES. Pick a dumb bird with me.

I'm not changing my SHORTS TRAINER avi, until I FIND A NICE Sassy Swanna pic.

I could make one for you if you want... And Oasis must be a Farfetch'd. Nuff said.

ASage is that 0.1% Pokemon. I think it's called Dunsparce?

I found this one remix online. Like Lucario? You'll love this:
http://www.youtuberepeat.com/watch/?v=1K8PpptPmeY
It's on youtube repeat cause it's that awesome >:]

EDIT: Shooooorty... I could of made one that's epic... Someone's missing out.

 

[Deleted member]

I WAS BORED about a week ago, so I decided to make a little THING of all my PERSONAL favorite Pokemon character ideas. I thought it MAY be fun to play a little game.

Okay first off, ANY BUNCHED Pokes, means a trainer. So, I want you to pick two rosters.

The Trainer Roster (Four Pokemon, one Trainer) and then the POKE roster. (Six solo Pokemon)

Course, the trainer choices are, Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, and Champion Cynthia.

Okay then, going literally by personal prefernce:
1st Pokemon Roster:
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Deoxys
Champion Cynthia
Victini

2nd Pokemon Roster:
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Pichu Bros. (to rep the 2nd gen)
Deoxys
Lucario
Victini

 

[Johnknight1]

Sorry for the Sony/Konami mixup.

Hey, if Conker actually did appear in SSB4 do you thing they would revive his old children's game personality?

Conker wouldn't need to be totally kid friendly. However, he won't be an alcoholic if this ever happened. That's for sure. Still, Nintendo would rather have Banjo, not Conker.

Yeah there's a difference between a recolor, and an actual model change.

Pretty much this. I want a few actual model changes. One per character would be my dream fulfilled, but I would be happy with just half a dozen overall.

I do, however think every character needs to have at least 8 different looks (including color changes, added clothes, different clothes, alternate outfit, model swaps, etc).

Just imagine this:

• Every character has 8 color changes.
• Peach gets a Daisy model swap.
• Samus' has two alternate Power Suits (preferably Fusion Suit and PSD Suit).
• Fox and Falco get their Star Fox Assault and Star Fox Command clothing.
• Multiple Pokémon Trainer model swaps.
• Lucas has a Masked Man model swap.
• Sonic gets a Shadow or Metal Sonic model swap.
• Snake has an Old Snake model (maybe a MGS1 Snake model swap, too).
• Mega Man has a Mega Man X model swap.

That doesn't sound too hard to do, does it=??? The Super Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS staff likely will get a lot of the staff from the Smash 64 and Melee from HAL, the staff from Brawl from Game Arts and other related studios, and some new hires as well (in Project Sora). Give the artists 4 years and maybe DLC to add later, and they could do this easily, plus a whole lot more.

Seriously, All-American Flag Captain Falcon FOR THE AMERICAN WIN! (IN AMERICA!)

 

[Aurane]

Conker wouldn't need to be totally kid friendly. However, he won't be an alcoholic if this ever happened. That's for sure. Still, Nintendo would rather have Banjo, not Conker.

Pretty much this. I want a few actual model changes. One per character would be my dream fulfilled, but I would be happy with just half a dozen overall.

I do, however think every character needs to have at least 8 different looks (including color changes, added clothes, different clothes, alternate outfit, model swaps, etc).

Just imagine this:

• Every character has 8 color changes.
• Peach gets a Daisy model swap.
• Samus' has two alternate Power Suits (preferably Fusion Suit and PSD Suit).
• Fox and Falco get their Star Fox Assault and Star Fox Command clothing.
• Multiple Pokémon Trainer model swaps.
• Lucas has a Masked Man model swap.
• Sonic gets a Shadow or Metal Sonic model swap.
• Snake has an Old Snake model (maybe a MGS1 Snake model swap, too).
• Mega Man has a Mega Man X model swap.

That doesn't sound too hard to do, does it=??? The Super Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS staff likely will get a lot of the staff from the Smash 64 and Melee from HAL, the staff from Brawl from Game Arts and other related studios, and some new hires as well (in Project Sora).

Model change as color swaps with PKMN Trainer... NO.
The Pink Falcon IS America's pride and joy, what are YOU talking about?

 

[augustoflores]

hmmm...

 

[Aurane]

hmmm...

Spoiler

Ok, that picture is epic. I'm going to avatar that to epicness now.

 

[Conviction]

Shorts is disappointing me with the no Articuno

 

[Johnknight1]

Model change as color swaps with PKMN Trainer... NO.

No, I mean we have multiple Pokémon Trainers as the Pokémon Trainer. Red/Ash/whoever the heck you wanna call it stays, but you could switch to a female Trainer, and maybe playable trainers in other Generations. At least add the Generation 5 Trainers since they are the most recent. Maybe add one to three playable trainers from Generation 2-4.

Who would be against this=???

Edit: Zapdos > Articuno > Moltres
The three legendary birds > Any other trio of legendary Pokémon.

 

[Aurane]

No, I mean we have multiple Pokémon Trainers as the Pokémon Trainer. Red/Ash/whoever the heck you wanna call it stays, but you could switch to a female Trainer, and maybe playable trainers in other Generations. At least add the Generation 5 Trainers since they are the most recent. Maybe add one to three playable trainers from Generation 2-4.

Who would be against this=???

So add HOW many PKMN trainers, now? Didn't you just get done saying to not add 600 characters?