New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Kantrip]

Wahahaha, you are ze weiner!

 

[Big-Cat]

Time for my Debbie moveset. SmashChu, whenever you're ready.

B: Daggers (Not really trying to come up with names here.)
Ghirahim calls out daggers to encircle him with the snapping of his fingers. Just pressing B will give you one dagger. Hold down B to get up to nine daggers. If you are hit while calling them out, you'll keep what you've gotten so far. When you're ready, press B to release a dagger. Like Fox's laser, this move can be rapid fired. These daggers are low in priority as normal attacks can stuff these easily.

If you have nine daggers, you can hold down B to release the daggers out as buzzsaw projectile that does a lot of damage and holds the opponent in place to start a combo.

Side B: Sword Dash
Dashes forward like Fox Illusion and covers a considerable amount of space. When he passes through and opponent, you can press B and he'll do a slash, this is also doable when you're not passing through. This move's range can be altered horizontally. Great as a recovery move, but you can condition your opponent into blocking which can give him a false sense of security.

Down B: Parry
Sticks his fingers out and will stop the opponent in his tracks. When he parries, he can release his Daggers or the Buzzsaw Dagger if he so chooses. Alternatively, pressing A will have him kick the opponent away. If there are no daggers stored, this is the default option. When the options are available, there is a brief window where you can input A or B for your attack.

Up B: Teleport
Is an eight-way Teleport much like Mewtwo's in Melee. Very quick startup.

Spoiler

Final Smash: True Form
Ghirahim goes into his true form from his third fight. During this time, Ghirahim can toss out Buzzsaw Daggers whenever he wants, completely skipping the gathering process. Also, his weight has doubled and he gets Super Armor on all his Smash attacks. This lasts for about 30-60 seconds.

 

[Deleted member]

Day Twenty-Six of Create The SSB4 Roster is up featuring Victini and Ice Climbers.

@KumaOso: Not a bad move set there. Of course I haven't played the game yet, sooo.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Not a bad roster, Asage. Although Panther over Krystal...?

Also, too many Kirby characters, and we could use one more F-Zero. Besides that, may I ask why Volnutt over the regular Megaman or X?

 

[Shorts]

Kat and Ana, Peppy, no Jiggs, and Baby Bros.

Even if I was commited enough to internet promises, your roster wouldn't do well.

Krystal is the ONLY SF choice left.

 

[Deleted member]

No offense asage94, but that wasn't a good roster at all. There is no way Kirby is getting five reps.

 

[Luco]

Oh yeah, shortie, did you ever review my roster? *puppy eyes*

As for before, yeah the piano theme for Cynthia is pretty awesome too, it's just with the Garchomp and the Togekiss it makes it epic. I finally beat her the day before yesterday, but it was so intense in that I kept using potions on Luxray and his Thunder just wouldn't hit. I'd use Discharge but it would only take Togekiss to yellow/red where Cynthia would use full restore, and Aura sphere was damaging enough so that 3 hits or a crit and a normal hit would kill luxray, whenever he died i'd have to use Giratina to try and help him. I finally got in a double discharge at the end when Luxray was the only pokemon left and on about 36 HP, so the music is kind of imprinted now

 

[Shorts]

Luco, I will do yours. IF I HAVE TIME MONDAY, DEAL? I do owe you.

 

[Zzuxon]

Been rostering a little bit, and I was wondering if someone... short... could take a look at it?
[COLLAPSE="Roster ASage"]
~Mario Series~
Mario
Luigi*
Peach
Bowser
Toad*
~Donkey Kong Series~
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong*
King K. Rool*
~Yoshi Series~
Yoshi
Baby Mario and Luigi*
~Wario Series~
Wario
Kat and Ana*
~Kirby Series~
Kirby
King Dedede
Meta Knight
Waddle Dee*
Prince Fluff*
~LoZ Series~
Link
Zelda/Shiek
Ganondorf
Toon Link/Young Link*
Ghirahm(?)*
~Pokemon Series~
Pikachu
Johto Trainer (Typhlosion, Bayleef, and Totodile)*
Deoxys*
Lucario
Victini*
~Kid Icarus Series~
Pit
~Ice Climbers Series~
Ice Climbers
~Fire Emblem Series~
Marth*
Ike
Roy*
~Pikmin~
REMOVE
~RoB series~
REMOVE
~G&W Series~
Mr. G&W
~Star Fox Series~
Fox
Falco*
Peppy
Wolf*
Panther*
~F-Zero Series~
Captain Falcon
~Metroid Series~
Samus/ZSamus
Ridley*
~Earthbound Series~
Lucas
Ness*
~3rd Party Series~
Sonic*
Snake*
Mega Man Volnutt*[/COLLAPSE]

Mario Series: Perfect
DK series: DK does not deserve or need 2 reps. It's got like 5 significant games with 2 characters already. Due to popularity, 1 is justifiable, but 2 is so far overboard, it's starting to see some hydrothermal vents.
Yoshi: Shouldn't get a new character.
Wario: Same as Yoshi
Kirby: What the heck? Kirby doesn't need 1 new character. Adding 2 to kirby is even worse than the DK incident. And even worse, one of the characters is prince fluff! He was an insignificant 1 shot co-op character with no unique abilities. Why not put in Dark Matter, or Whispy Woods? At least they are significant to the series.
LoZ: Tingle is more important than Ghirahim.
PKMN: Why on Earth did you remove Jiggs and the Kanto PKMN trainer? Jiggs is an icon, and the Kanto PKMN trainer represents 9 popular PKMN. At least you were trying to represent all the gens.
Metroid: Fine
Retros: Why did you reemove ROB? And why isn't there a new retro character? At least now I know how you made room for all those kirby and mario spinoff characters...
Misc (or lack thereof): THis is where your roster suffers most. You need to represent a much wider part of nintendo. You are completly blowing off everything outside the 11 basic smash franchises. This cannot stand. This is how you fit in all those rediculous choices.
Fire Emblem: There is no reason to bring back Roy.
Earhbound: Good.
StarFox: Holy Crap this is so much worse than your kirby and DK sections it's not e ven funny. StarFox should no get another character ever. It shouldn't even have gotten wolf. And, if the world depended on starfox getting another character, it should be Slippy or Krystal. But, you put in PANTHER AND PEPPY. WHY?!?!?!?!
fF-Zero: Fine
3rd Party: SE needs a rep.

No offense, but this is an awful roster. I would be very, very, disappointed if this turned out to be the roster.

 

[Aurane]

Kat and Ana, Peppy, no Jiggs, and Baby Bros.

Even if I was commited enough to internet promises, your roster wouldn't do well.

Krystal is the ONLY SF choice left.

Eh, maybe a legit choice. I don't see Krystal happening at all. I was thinking like Fox/Falco with Wolf/Panther when I chose him. (I like Panther )

No offense asage94, but that wasn't a good roster at all. There is no way Kirby is getting five reps.

None taken. But the Kirby series is possible to have 5 reps. Epic Yarn was a very popular title, and so is RTDL. Not that it would happen, but I could see it happen.

Yikes, I failed :o I'll now take my feet off the roster making for now Lol

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You didn't reply to what I said.

Albeit, I had other annoyances, but the roster wasn't terrible by any means at all. Just... lacking. Too many in some areas. And not enough in others. Mr. Game & Watch needs to stay, but I honestly don't care about R.O.B. as is.

 

[Shorts]

If Krystal isn't happening, no one is.

 

[Conviction]

Didn't R.O.B save Nintendo?

 

[Oasis_S]

Dun dun dun.

(Pretty sure Sakurai made that game)

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Didn't R.O.B save Nintendo?

Like I said I don't care about R.O.B. I never said I didn't acknowledge him. Of course he's important to Nintendo. No denying that here. He's just meh to me. There's tons of robots I'd rather see myself.

Whether he gets in Smash 4 or not doesn't even bother me.

 

[Conviction]

That's great you don't care.

I was asking a question. Derp.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Who could tell?

Anyway, he was used to sell NES's like toys because of the great video game crash. Thus, the Nintendo sold, not just saving itself, but Video Games as a whole.

 

[Conviction]

Ahhh I see. I never knew the story.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

No biggie. A lot of people actually didn't. Video Game History isn't taught in class usually, after all.

 

[Aurane]

For every lesson learned, another problem rises.

Which leads to my next question: If we dropped characters like Jiggz or Ice Climbos, what do u guys think would happen?

 

[Conviction]

With Ice Climbers gone I wouldn't have to worry about that ridiculous chaingrab.

 

[Aurane]

U guys have seen my recolors, right? Well, here's an impressive one:

 

[Oasis_S]

Don't you just run things through the COLORIZER.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Jiggs isn't a big deal since there's tons of Pokemon.

Ice Climbers is dropping an entire series. It's also the only full team character and would take out something unique in Smash.

Personally, I like both, but I could go without Jigglypuff. Love the character, but I'm not attached to him/her.

 

[Berserker.]

Um, why'd you change the moveset berserker01?

I didn't. This is just Toad's second moveset. He has 3. The one in the group being the main one

@Berserker
Here's my thoughts on Toad 2.0
B:
Just how slow are we talking? Can air dodging make it disappear? Is there a limit on how many spore shots you can shoot.

Side B:
You forgot B for stopping.

Down B:
I like it.

Up B:
No problems.

It's just my opinion that I'd make his Down B his B and make Down B be that She-Hulk grab.

B : As slow as.... ARGH. I can't compare it to any projectile in Brawl. TK Shot. Air dodge can't make it disappear. You can only shoot 2 simultaneously.

Side B : Whoops

Down B : Thanks

Moveset

I actually like this

 

[Aurane]

Don't you just run things through the COLORIZER.

Hue balance. Works like a charm This pic is SO gunna be my avatar (The face will be, anyways).

 

[Shorts]

I think I'm going to do a few Jiggs recolors. Maybe some hats too?

 

[Aurane]

I think I'm going to do a few Jiggs recolors. Maybe some hats too?

Kirby Hat

 

[Johnknight1]

@John
Actually she appeared in the manuals for those games =P

LOL, using insignificant details I see!

If they don't make Ganon unique in Smash 4, I don't even want him in. But your probably right Johnknight. I'd say his chances in Smash are about 80% guranteed.

80%? Really? Didn't you say something similar pre-Brawl=??? Ganondorf is as confirmed as Bowser in Smash 4. He's going to be in. That is practically a guaranteed fact. One Zelda game doesn't change that. If we went by what happened on the latest Zelda game in smash, Ganondorf would have never appeared in Melee, and instead the Majora's Mask wearing Skull Kid would have been playable. That would have been a debacle, and disliked like hell!

Let's be honest: Ganondorf is going to be in the next smash bros. game (or at least the Wii U one).

Spoiler

One of the main reasons that Demise is popular is because he has similarities to Ganon and Ganondorf already.

Ganondorf is the basic formula for other Zelda villains, and he does it better than any of these clones. Once your Skyward Sword hypes dies down to realism, you will realize this. I felt the similarly about Zant. That was before I realized "hey, Twilight Princess isn't anywhere near as good or memorable as Ocarina of Time."

Spoiler

Plus Demise literally is the reason Ganondorf exists, but Demise will never replace Ganondorf.

Impa was mentioned in Zelda 1's instruction book, she was the one who told Link about Zelda's capture. It's a shame I could never finish Zelda 1 though.

They did finish the original Legend of Zelda, and it rocked. It wasn't uncommon for games back then to just jump into the action without much of a story. If you ask me most of the time this way is better. The story for said game was basic as heck. Plus being mentioned in the instruction book doesn't mean anything. The instruction book is not canon at all. Heck, didn't the Legend of Zelda handbook spell Ganon as "Gannon," along with the opening Legend of Zelda plot synopsis=???

Mario Series: Perfect
DK series: DK does not deserve or need 2 reps. It's got like 5 significant games with 2 characters already. Due to popularity, 1 is justifiable, but 2 is so far overboard, it's starting to see some hydrothermal vents.

Is this a joke=??? The Donkey Kong franchise has sold over 45 million units! Star Fox has 3 characters, and it hasn't sold a fourth as many as that! On top of that, the Donkey Kong series has had a much bigger impact of gaming, the games were better received, and the series 3 best-selling games aren't just one game with two remakes (Star Fox 64 and Star Fox 64 3D are remakes of the original Star Fox).

Last I checked Star Fox is still in the crapper (remakes aside), while Donkey Kong is being revived to its' former greatness with actual new games.

I think I'm going to do a few Jiggs recolors. Maybe some hats too?

Get the sleepy Kirby hat. That thing is SOOO CUTE!!! chuckle:

 

[Berserker.]

http://www.smashboards.com/group.php?do=discuss&group=&discussionid=6420 - Toad moveset competition.

If you guys are interested, I'll just leave a quote here: (The guys that aren't in the group)

Aight. Vote for your favorite moveset. Vote once only.

1.) Main Toad moveset
2.) Toad 2.0
3.) Toad's item based moveset
4.) A secret Toad moveset that was never shown

 

[Aurane]

Well, I'm off for now. Expectations for tomarrow:
1. Poll results from Serebii on favorite "mirage" Pokemon.
2. Weakness/Strengths
3. A new discussion that Shortie will disagree on.

Alright, cya guys later.

 

[Johnknight1]

Is it me, or are Toad move sets the most common on this thread=???

I'm definitely not opposed to move sets, but it is odd. Pre-Brawl reveal move sets mostly dealt with Wario and Sonic the Hedgehog, while most of the post Brawl reveal (as in after the E3 2006 trailer) move sets of potential newcomer characters involved either Diddy Kong, King Dedede, or Sonic the Hedgehog.

I just... thought that was an interesting observation. We've gone from Sonic to Toad move sets being the most common. Even last year I would have never seen this coming. I wouldn't even guess Toad move sets being one of the 25 or so most posted or listed. It is very interesting where the fan base's opinions and perspectives have changed and headed from one smash bros to a next. Interesting to me, at least!

Edit: Only 1,287 posts to 60,000 posts... yeah=???

 

[Big-Cat]

Hey, Hyper, remember how you were saying Zelda's primarily European?

Well, it looks like we finally have something so Asian that you could never mistake it for anything else:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcgOS7ghV4k&feature=related

And the shocking thing is, I wanna say this is Chinese, not Japanese even though the dragons' clothes remind me more of traditional Japan.

 

[Opossum]

Oh for the love of Pete...

Been rostering a little bit, and I was wondering if someone... short... could take a look at it?
[COLLAPSE="Roster ASage"]
~Mario Series~
Mario
Luigi*
Peach
Bowser
Toad*

I'd be perfectly fine with this.


~Donkey Kong Series~
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong*
King K. Rool*

Should definitely get at least one, but two isn't out of the question, and if any two, it's these two. Pretty good here. Except, I'd make K. Rool a starter. Just an opinion.


~Yoshi Series~
Yoshi
Baby Mario and Luigi*

I really don't see the point in Yoshi having its own ICON, none the less a second rep. And if any second rep, it'd probably be Kamek, not the babies.


~Wario Series~
Wario
Kat and Ana*


Wario really doesn't need a second rep, but if it got one, there are much more interesting choices, and more significant.

~Kirby Series~
Kirby
King Dedede
Meta Knight
Waddle Dee*
Prince Fluff*

No, no, no. I can see possibly adding Waddle Dee, but adding Waddle Dee and Prince Fluff is way too much for Kirby. They could make cool Assist Trophies, though.


~LoZ Series~
Link
Zelda/Shiek
Ganondorf
Toon Link/Young Link*
Ghirahim(?)*

I can see this, depending on how Ghirahim is received.

~Pokemon Series~
Pikachu
Johto Trainer (Typhlosion, Bayleef, and Totodile)*
Deoxys*
Lucario
Victini*


Oy ve. Where to begin. Pokemon Trainer is unique, and represents popular Pokemon as a whole. The sad truth is that the Kanto starters are more popular than the Johto ones. It gets worse. You dropped Jigglypuff. Face it, the original 12 are probably here to stay by now. Personally, I'd replace Deoxys with Jigglypuff, and then maybe add Mewtwo.


~Kid Icarus Series~
Pit

Could go either way as far as new reps being added, we'll just have to see.


~Ice Climbers Series~
Ice Climbers


HOW DARE YOU NOT ADD THE CONDOR?!?!?!Not much to say here. Good.

~Fire Emblem Series~
Marth*
Ike
Roy*

I can see this, not too bad.


~Pikmin~
REMOVE


Okay, now we have a huge problem. Even with the characters removed from Melee, there were at least other characters from the series to keep it alive. Here, you are removing an entire series. Scratch that, an entire POPULAR series. Also unlike most of the other cuts, Olimar is completely unique and by no means a clone. This is the point in the roster where you know it's not coming back from the dead. No saving this one. Just wondering, what was your justification of his removal?





~RoB series~
REMOVE


Game and Watch didn't go anywhere. ROB is in his situation. Plus, he's extremely important to Nintendo as a whole. Again, he's completely unique. Also, what as your justification?



~G&W Series~
Mr. G&W


Guess the Game and Watch system isn't playable this time around...kidding. It's good here.



~Star Fox Series~
Fox
Falco*
Peppy
Wolf*
Panther*


No...StarFox really doesn't need an additional rep, but it could happen. And by an additional rep, I mean Krystal. Not only did you add TWO from this series, but NEITHER of them are Krystal. I mean, these are among the worst choices. Even Leon is better, with an assassin moveset and being Falco's rival. Among your worst sections in my opinion.


~F-Zero Series~
Captain Falcon

It can go either way between this or adding Goroh. Okay, I guess.


~Metroid Series~
Samus/ZSamus
Ridley*

All good here.


~Earthbound Series~
Lucas
Ness*


Same here.


~3rd Party Series~
Sonic*
Snake*
Mega Man Volnutt*

Why Volnutt? Instead of X or Classic?




Additionally, you have no new retro or miscellaneous characters. I'm going to be frank, Little Mac, Isaac/Matthew, Saki/Isa Jo, Starfy, Ray, Mii, Shulk, Kanan, Elza, Takamaru, Lip, Muddy Mole, Duck Hunt Dog, Mach Rider, and many others have a reasonable shot. You didn't add ANY OF THEM. It's breaking a tradition. Not to mention, you have some awful choices in their place with Baby Mario Bros, Kat and Ana, Peppy, Panther, Prince Fluff, and the removal of Jigglypuff, Olimar, and ROB. What were you thinking? Overall, I'm not going to lie, it's pretty bad. You may want to put some of this into consideration. Opossum, signing out.




[/COLLAPSE]

Responses to...this...above.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Universe is one thing, from the same series another.

They're two different universes. Donkey Kong and Diddy just visits the Mario one from time to time.

The way I see it, DK Island is part of the Mushroom World, along with Yoshi's Island, and Diamond City. They're just regions that are outside of the Mushroom Kingdom.

Still, it doesn't mean that the characters can't travel to different universes; Wario being at Starfy's world, along with Donkey Kong being at the Punch-Out!! world.

 

[Deleted member]

If anyone is curious about my thoughts on Skyward Swords, this is basically the first day. And I haven't even encountered Ghirahim yet.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Mushroom World would be part of DK Island then.

Remember, the Mario series spun off from the DK series, not the other way around. No matter what, if anything, Mario is a DK character overall. That's the actual history of how it works.

DK came first, and created both series. Regardless of what you believe, DK is not a Mario character. The universes may be connected, but DK has historical power over Mario. He even came first as a character. Mario's just more popular, that's all.

DK Island is its own dimension. While those others are Mario spin-offs. This is still believing that DK is a Mario spin-off, which is completely untrue and clearly the other way around.

 

[Metal Overlord]

DK series: DK does not deserve or need 2 reps. It's got like 5 significant games with 2 characters already. Due to popularity, 1 is justifiable, but 2 is so far overboard, it's starting to see some hydrothermal vents.

WAT

Dude, what kinda horse**** is this? Sounds like you just made up some random-*** criteria and just went with it. There is absolutely nothing suggesting that Donkey Kong shouldn't have 2 reps. Nothing. I apologize in advance that I sound offensive, but this statement of yours pisses me off greatly

 

[Berserker.]

Mushroom World would be part of DK Island then.

Remember, the Mario series spun off from the DK series, not the other way around. No matter what, if anything, Mario is a DK character overall. That's the actual history of how it works.

DK came first, and created both series. Regardless of what you believe, DK is not a Mario character. The universes may be connected, but DK has historical power over Mario. He even came first as a character. Mario's just more popular, that's all.

DK Island is its own dimension. While those others are Mario spin-offs. This is still believing that DK is a Mario spin-off, which is completely untrue and clearly the other way around.

True.....

But in the end, this fact was ignored by many (Not including me) plus the fact that Mario is more popular than DK, everyone practically treats DK like a sub series of Mario despite the Mario series actually being technically a sub series that has more games than the main series.

...........................

Okay, this is starting to get a little weird. So Mario Galaxy is a Donkey Kong spin off/Mario spin off? I think I better way to say this is, Mario is separated from Donkey Kong but historically speaking, Mario spun off from DK....

Meh. TBH, I don't care if Mario spun off from DK. I still think Mario is practically an individual series already just like DK. I'm pretty aware of DK being the king (Until Mario became tooo famous)

One statement ticked me off a little.... "Mushroom world be part of DK Island then"

WTF. DK Island IS part of mushroom kingdom. It's smaller than the whole mushroom world. Can you explain how an island could be this big?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

DK Island is in its own dimension. It was never a part of Mushroom Kingdom. Can we just say they're in totally different dimensions and agree with that?

And I'd just keep them separate series like they actually are. DK just visits Mario from time to time. That's all.

As I said, Mario only has popularity over DK, but that's due to having more games that were well-received. Rare leaving hurt DK quite a lot.