New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Big-Cat]

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Imo just BECAUSE Impa is from the past she would fit in perfectly. Even if the other Zelda characters aren't from Skyward Sword in Smash 4. Her role would still remain the same, as Zelda's protector. This is why I like the idea so much. Ad you could always imply that she used the Time Gate in the Distant Past to protect Zelda's newer incarnation. If Twilight Princess Zelda can somehow still transform in Sheik, this should be no problem at all. Cause this would actually be explained story wise.

And yes, Donkey Kong as we know is heavily implied to be DK Jr. from way back. Cranky IS arcade DK. Ever since DKC he's been breaking the 4th wall, complaining about the very games graphics, bonus rooms, and how he would complete it even without extra lifes. He also called DK lazy, and said that when he was young he was constantly kidnapping maidens and such. Mario himself is never mentioned by him though. But he is Diddy's biggest competitor in collecting the golden DK Coins in DKC2 (after Yoshi, and Link lol).

Spoiler

Well, they never explained how Zelda can transform in Sheik into Brawl. All they mentioned is that Sheik's design was from unused Twilight Princess art. Anyway, as I mentioned, the Zelda characters in Smash are actually Composite Characters of their various incarnations. Even if Sm4sh doesn't even use the SS art style for the characters, Impa is still a very valid suggestion as she's had multiple incarnations (whether that's like Link and Zelda is another story) incarnations as well. So, I think any story justification (lol story in Smash) would not be necessary. It'd be nice, but it's not needed.

@Berserker
Here's my thoughts on Toad 2.0
B:
Just how slow are we talking? Can air dodging make it disappear? Is there a limit on how many spore shots you can shoot.

Side B:
You forgot B for stopping.

Down B:
I like it.

Up B:
No problems.

It's just my opinion that I'd make his Down B his B and make Down B be that She-Hulk grab.

 

[SmashChu]

Not to happy with the lame Toad movesets hanging around, so I'll do this.

Smashchu presents
Character Concepts

"What is that," they ask. Well, you see, I'm a busy man. I have lots of investors to speak with an beautiful women to see. I can't be bothers writing a long moveset that no one will real. So I made this instead for use rich, successful folk. Basically, I wont be posting a moveset. I'll post the special moves and Final Smash, but none of the A moves (unless they are pretty cool). I'll focus more on the idea and how the character plays and feels.

So without further ado.

TOAD

Toad joins us from the famed Mario Brothers series (I'm sure you've heard of it). He had appeared in numerous games like Super Mario Bros. 2, New Super Mario Bros, and the Mario Kart games. Toad has been around, and now it's time for him to jump into Smash.

Toad is a lighter characters, about the same weight as Ness and Lucas. He is pretty fast, but his jumping skills are very weak. He has a good first jump and a puny second jump. He falls at the same speed as Mario and has good traction. So he can move around pretty well. He also has some strength on his side. His throws are surprisingly strong for his size and he has some strong Smash moves.

Toad has been known throughout the games as a helper. He always supplies Mario with useful items and tell them they are in the wrong castle. It's no surprise Toad's moves take from this. But, they are less helpful.

Special Moves

B: Item Toss: Toad tosses out many items from the Mario series. He throws them in a bit of an arc, but the distance they go, damage as well aas if they bounce off of characters or the ground depends on the item. What you throw is random. Toad may throw a powerful Bomb from SMB2. BOOM! He can throw questions boxes that bounce of the ground and don't go far. Maybe he throws a frog suit. Needless to say, it bounces all over the place. He can also throw out a poison mushroom from time to time.

B ^: Propeller Suit: Toad immediately puts on a propeller suit and goes up and up and up. He can push away characters from the side and hurt those right above him. He is vulnerable after the move as he slowly floats down. Pressing down does does an drill move that can hurt. Oh, and he can still grab ledges. After this move, he keeps his suit on for about 5-10 seconds. With it, his second jump sucks less.

BV: Item use: Toad has lots of handy items. He'll pull one out for his own use (Tourney guys beware!). He'll only pull out Mario related items. Fire Flowers. Shells. Spring Board. Banana Peels. Tennis Racket (a new battering item). Maybe even a Bom-omb. It's all random though. Also, he can't just pull them out, willy nilly. He'll have to wait a while after pulling out out to get another. He'll be sad when it happens

B> Penguin Suit: Who doesn't love this? He slides across the ground when he uses this and hurts players. It works kind of like Piplup BTW. Pressing B helps you stop, which can knock characters back a bit. If he's running before doing this, he'll go faster. He can build/lose speed from slopes. Like the propeller suit, he keeps it on for some time. With it, he has perfect traction on ice and swims faster too.

FINAL SMASH: Pick a Box: Toad will summon three chest. One above Toad and the others to the left and right. They pull in characters who are too close. Now you........Pick a Box. Doing so will knock the characters far away and spawn items (of any kind of course). The other boxes will do damage to those inside and spawn no items. Choose wisely I guess.

Other cool moves
^ Smash: Toad does a jump, spin, headbutt. It does good knockback and he gets a little more height.
^ Air: Toad smashes with his head. It makes sense I guess.

And there we have it. Toad is defiantly a character with a different flavor. Items are really a big part of his play as is his speed. Just........do one is going to jump high with those stubby legs (or lack there of).

 

[Diddy Kong]

Spoiler

That Link is an incarate of different Links works for me in 64, but not in Melee and Brawl. Zelda / Sheik in Brawl I can accept now, because Zelda didn't had much of a role in TP anyway. But now that they've gave Impa such an impressive role, I really hope they can forget about Sheik and focus on making Zelda actually good. She is the most over shadowed character in Smash ever. Make another transforming character for her place then if they must. Good thing this is spoilered cause: yes I think Impa is more deserving than Sheik for the spot. Give her new B's different from Sheik, but mostly the same A moves and we've got a character.

 

[Big-Cat]

@SmashChu
It's nice to see you deciding to come up with your own stuff, even if I don't care for it, instead of only hating on everyone else's ideas as usual.

By the way, you're "coolness" is a pale imitation of Toise's.

@Diddy

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What's wrong with them being composite characters? At least that means they aren't exactly bound to one version or another. Anyway, yeah, I want Impa too. Give her Sheik as an alternate costume. Impa in SS reminds me of Sheik to a degree so at least the suitability of moves shouldn't matter.

 

[SmashChu]

@SmashChu
It's nice to see you deciding to come up with your own stuff, even if I don't care for it, instead of only hating on everyone else's ideas as usual.

I had this idea for a while. Just never got a around to actually doing it. I might do more character concepts in the future. Maybe Ghirahim?

 

[Big-Cat]

I'd like to see that. How about we make it a contest? You post yours, I'll post mine.

 

[---]

Well it's nice to see some other people doing some more movesets.

Hopefully once I get some time I can post a few more of my own.

 

[Big-Cat]

I think the Concepts posts are easily some of the best things we've had in this thread for quite some time. Breaks up the cyclic discussions and reminds us about the gameplay.

 

[Diddy Kong]

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Well, it's no real problem of coarse but the designs make it harder for me to believe. Also the Gale Boomerang in Brawl. I'd love if they'd decide to make Ganon fight with the Trident for example. But yes omg Impa... If Ghirahim also somehow makes it in, her B move could be like his. As in, a blocking / counter like move, involving magic (that she used in the Lanayru temple when Ghirahim attacks her and Zelda) followed up by an oppertunity to attack again (like how Ghirahim does in the final battle when you corner him where you have to "Smash" him from the stage, and follow up with a D air aka Finishing Blow). Also, Deku Nuts.

I'd actually want Toad to use the POW Block or turpins for Down B. I don't really care if it's a clone move from Peach. Pinguin Suit could work, but the Kart from Mario Kart would be nice as well. Also, the weight of Ness and Lucas is too heavy for Toad. Most characters in Smash are actually quite light weighted, and Toad should be just a tad heavier than Pikachu maybe imo.

I think the Concepts posts are easily some of the best things we've had in this thread for quite some time. Breaks up the cyclic discussions and reminds us about the gameplay.

This very much.

It's much better than having to explain why I'd rather have Diddy, Wario, Meta Knight or King DeDeDe over Dr.Mario in Melee >_>

Spoiler

And I still won't refrain from using the word deserving.

 

[Johnknight1]

I was just thinking, Doc doesn't absolutely have to be a full-fledged clone of Mario.

He could play on the doctor stereotype...

So Doc could have 8 years of classes' worth of college and doctor school books, a crap ton of paper work, medical equipment, and medical technology and prescriptions.

Also (Skyward Sword spoilers),

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I think Impa seems like a one off character. I would rather have a one off character from Ocarina of Time rather than from the latest Zelda game. Without Sheik, Zelda will continue to suck. If Impa was playable, I Sheik should be an alternate outfit. Hopefully Sheik would be the only "Melee 22"character that could be cut.

I don't expect Link to get totally redone. Link should get a few new moves, sure. Overall, we all want to play the classic Link with a handful of moves from his most recent game(s). Once Skyward Sword hype dies down, most of you all will go back to agreeing with me that Ocarina of Time the original Legend of Zelda is the best Zelda game ever anyways!

.... Also, Zelda's recovery is one of her worst aspects actually.

Zelda's is slow, and I think it should go farther. If Sakurai wants Zelda to be that light, she needs to have a recovery that goes so fast and so far it would make a deity jealous.

Really hope Zelda wears the nice pink outfit and not the boring white one.

This. White outfit can be an alternate outfit, like Zelda's Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time looks. Zelda's pink dress is iconic, and her current look would go great with it.

Paper Mario will be a Mario character. There is absolutely ZERO reason to think otherwise. Look at Luigi, look at the MK stage, and look at Doc. End discussion.

What franchise a character represents doesn't matter. We care if they get in or not, period. Sakurai feels the same way.
People want characters playable in smash, not franchises. Franchises aren't playable in smash. I want to play as PAPER MARIO the CHARACTER in smash, not the FRANCHISE!

I WOULD like to point out Tingle's Rupeeland COULD be it's own franchise.

Who actually played Tingle's Rupeeland=??? (jk, of course Shorts)

 

[Shorts]

What franchise a character represents doesn't matter. We care if they get in or not, period. Sakurai feels the same way.
People want characters playable in smash, not franchises. Franchises aren't playable in smash. I want to play as PAPER MARIO the CHARACTER in smash, not the FRANCHISE!

Who actually played Tingle's Rupeeland=??? (jk, of course Shorts)

We were talking about symbols, not the character, SO it does matter.

 

[Aurane]

I have a new (B) moveset for Charizard without PKMN Trainer. Here it is.

(B): Flamethrower: Much like the original, but goes further and can backstep while in the (B) mode by pressing the shield button (LR).

(B)>: Flame Charge: His body turns into a flaming bullet, and he charges 2.5 character spaces eyesight. You can hold the (B) button, and he'll charge, and stay put. You can also turn around in this phase. Let go of the (B) button to strike. The more it's charged (Max, 4 seconds), the more damage and knockback it does. DMG: Click: 9%, low-medium knockback. Almost: 12-16%, medium-high knockback. Full: 20%, High knockback. Slow recovery afterwards. If spammed three times in a row, he'll become dizzy. But the third one will do 10%+ and one click higher knockback. He'll also go 3 character spaces forward.

(B)^: Fly: The same in Brawl, except he goes higher upwards, and clings onto edges better.

(B)v: Sesmic Toss: He grabs an opponent, and brings them upwards. He does a full circle, then slams the opponent on the ground. No bounce, and depending on %, will pit them. DMG: 19%, if they get pit'd, an extra 6%.

Final Smash: Blaze Ability
He flaps his wings for some aerial, then slams onto the ground, then his body becomes covered in Orange and red flames. For 10 seconds, he becomes immune to all attacks, and counters them with his hot body. All his Fire moves become 2x more powerful. Sesmic Toss becomes a full 3 circles, and always pits the opponent, which DMG is also 2x. Fly is spammable,as well. After the 10 seconds, his body explodes in a 2 character space range, doing a OHKO to anyone nearby (Not he himself, the fire coat explodes...).

 

[Johnknight1]

We were talking about symbols, not the character, SO it does matter.

Anyone who truly wants Paper Mario can live with him having the Mario mushroom logo or the Paper Mario logo.

Heck, if Toon Link made it as a Sonic the Hedgehog character, I wouldn't care. All I want is him to be playable!

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yes, Skyward Sword is now totally in the hype BUUUUUTTTTTTTT...........

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I seriously don't hope Impa becomes a one off character. She already isn't actually, if you count her role in OoT as well. In that sence, she already has 1 apperance of worth more than Sheik. At least, in Zelda games. I really think it's Sheik who is the one shot character, cause after OoT who would believe Zelda if she came with a Sheik disguise again in a new game? I wouldn't.

Also, Impa is from THE DISTANT PAST. :o As in, the past, but distant. I also like her a whole lot better, she does more than just teaching Link songs. ANDDD it's heavily implied Impa trained Zelda in the way of becomming a Sheikah warrior in OoT anyway.

Going in further, the Skyward Strike is a good example for how they could use the Sword Beam function for Link in Smash. So, yeah please give him that. I'd be different as say, they'd give him the Beetle for his new Side B as they did with the Gale Boomerang. I'd honestly cringe it that'd happen. Really had to make myself like that item in Skyward Sword even, by everytime shouting BEETLE in a fake Japanese accent in my head. BEETERLE or something similar to that. I'm not racist against Asians in any ways, but strange things happen if I lay down the good green for a while unfortunately.

Actually I'd also prefer Ghirahim over Demise now. But to be honest I don't think he's very likely. Too fabulous for Smash probably. But damn, he'd make a nice magic defensive character...

Oh and I actually played Tingle's Rupeeland, briefly on an emulator. But it crashed somewhere in the first 'cave' of the game so I gave up on it. It was not my kind of thing anyway.

 

[Shorts]

@ shortie
Anyone who truly wants Paper Mario can live with him having the Mario mushroom logo or the Paper Mario logo.

Heck, if Toon Link made it as a Sonic the Hedgehog character, I wouldn't care-as long as he is playable!

BUUUUUUUUUUUT that isn't what we were talking about. We were specifically talking about representation of the PM series and if it will get it's own logo, so yeah. It does matter when the convo is specifically about that.

 

[Aurane]

BUUUUUUUUUUUT that isn't what we were talking about. We were specifically talking about representation of the PM series and if it will get it's own logo, so yeah. It does matter when the convo is specifically about that.

...Though if he got on sm4sh, he would be placed in the Mario Catagory no matter what... He isn't like DK, Yoshi, and Wario. They had their own games, without Mario. PM is still Mario, but just in a different forme.

But nvm papers. We all know LCD would kick him out

 

[Johnknight1]

BUUUUUUUUUUUT that isn't what we were talking about. We were specifically talking about representation of the PM series and if it will get it's own logo, so yeah. It does matter when the convo is specifically about that.

It does matter to that conversation, sure.

But after the game is released, do you really think we will care what logo or franchise Paper Mario "represents"=??? The only thing any character represents is themselves.

@ Diddy Kong
If the Gale Boomerang returns, it needs to do actual damage, dang it!

I agree,

Spoiler

if Impa has a major role in more Zelda games it is likely that she will replace Sheik. But don't get hyped out of proportion. It is still likely we may get a new console Zelda game by the time that Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS. If Impa isn't in that, don't expect her to replace Sheik.

 

[Shorts]

...Though if he got on sm4sh, he would be placed in the Mario Catagory no matter what... He isn't like DK, Yoshi, and Wario. They had their own games, without Mario. PM is still Mario, but just in a different forme.

That's been my point this whole time.

One of the reasons why I don't really enjoy the idea of PM. Because he is another Mario. Might as well add Doc. They're going to both be clones anyhow. (To some degree)

It does matter to that conversation, sure.

But after the game is released, do you really think we will care what logo or franchise Paper Mario "represents"=??? The only thing any character represents is themselves.

Just stop please. It's okay to not be right.

 

[Aurane]

That's been my point this whole time.

One of the reasons why I don't really enjoy the idea of PM. Because he is another Mario. Might as well add Doc. They're going to both be clones anyhow. (To some degree)

...Ok, now that THAT'S settled...

@John A Character is a representative of it's series, not itself. If that were true, Pokemon would rule the entire game.. >.>

 

[Johnknight1]

Just stop please. It's okay to not be right.

Yeah I know. I would just rather the discussion be about characters making, it rather than franchises getting extra "representation."

Shortie in particular definitely don't do this, but a crap ton of n00bs come on this thread and make this stupid argument. I want to shut 'em up every chance I get.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Doctor Mario was a clone because he had the same character frame as Mario. Not because he was Mario. It's the same with the rest. This was actually STATED by Sakurai. Frames were copied, nothing more.

Paper Mario does not have the same frame as Mario, so wouldn't be a clone just because he's a different version of Mario. Likewise, Paper Mario is its own series anyway. It's an Alternate Universe to the Mario series, and while a spin-off, it really IS a notable series anyway. By that logic, Smash isn't its own series because it only has 3 games so far.

As for Tingle, he could be considered either. He does have his own official series, and is part of the regular Zelda one. Not enough people can play his actual game outside of pirating/etc., so that's why he's not universal enough. That, and not the most popular choice.

Re: Impa. I'd love to see her replace Sheik, but I also won't say this MUST happen or any crap like that. It'd be sweet to have her in. She's a pretty great secondary character role, oddly enough, Tingle does more.

 

[SmashChu]

I'd actually want Toad to use the POW Block or turpins for Down B. I don't really care if it's a clone move from Peach. Pinguin Suit could work, but the Kart from Mario Kart would be nice as well. Also, the weight of Ness and Lucas is too heavy for Toad. Most characters in Smash are actually quite light weighted, and Toad should be just a tad heavier than Pikachu maybe imo.

The reason I went with item use was because it more towards Toad's personality and abilities. He was always a character who gave you stuff. Also, no other character has a move like it. Using turnips or a POW block wouldn't be that fun or interesting.

I went with Lucas and Ness because he is probably about their size. Diddy's weight might be better though.

 

[Aurane]

Doctor Mario was a clone because he had the same character frame as Mario. Not because he was Mario. It's the same with the rest. This was actually STATED by Sakurai. Frames were copied, nothing more.

Paper Mario does not have the same frame as Mario, so wouldn't be a clone just because he's a different version of Mario. Likewise, Paper Mario is its own series anyway. It's an Alternate Universe to the Mario series, and while a spin-off, it really IS a notable series anyway. By that logic, Smash isn't its own series because it only has 3 games so far.

As for Tingle, he could be considered either. He does have his own official series, and is part of the regular Zelda one. Not enough people can play his actual game outside of pirating/etc., so that's why he's not universal enough. That, and not the most popular choice.

Re: Impa. I'd love to see her replace Sheik, but I also won't say this MUST happen or any crap like that. It'd be sweet to have her in. She's a pretty great secondary character role, oddly enough, Tingle does more.

I agree 99%. 1%: Shiek>Impa

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I agree 99%. 1%: Shiek>Impa

I admit I want a character who plays more roles in the overall games. But eh. To be honest, as long as the character works, I'll play with either.

 

[Johnknight1]

I still prefer a character from Ocarina of Time (Sheik) over a character from Skyward Sword (Impa, Ghirahimwhoactslikeashe). Ocarina of Time will always in my opinion be the best 3D Zelda game of all-time, and one of the most revolutionary 3D games of all-time!

Still, I think if Impa makes more appearances (aside from a small role in Ocarina of Time

Spoiler

and a major role in Skyward Sword

), then I wouldn't mind her absorbing Sheik's moveset (hopefully Sheik remains an alternate outfit).

A Link to the Past and the original Legend of Zelda are still my favorite Zelda games of all-time, though.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I agree,

Spoiler

if Impa has a major role in more Zelda games it is likely that she will replace Sheik. But don't get hyped out of proportion. It is still likely we may get a new console Zelda game by the time that Smash Bros. Wii U and 3DS. If Impa isn't in that, don't expect her to replace Sheik.

Spoiler

Imo, Skyward Sword already does it for me. Unless of coarse Sheik gets in a new Zelda game. They can't dwell on OoT forever. If they do please change the characters that mather as you know, Ganondorf. They can make up a total unique moveset for freaking SHEIK but not for Ganondorf??? Sheik, over Ganondorf? Not Ganondorf over Sheik?

Thing with Impa is that she'd probably fit in any time line for Zelda, if they follow her Skyward Sword incaration thanks to the Gate of Time. She apperantly could survive up to 1000 years... Don't tell me that if she was 'needed' she couldn't be summoned from it again.

Also if Impa couldn't make it in, I honestly doubt Toon Link has a better chance really. Wind Waker is almost ancient by now. That's how many Zelda games are made, an I doubt they are gonna base him of from Spirit Tracks. Sure, it's more likely they'll make him reappear on a 3DS game than Impa, but imo his chances are not higher. I'd even say they are worse.

And to be honest, Ganondorf and Sheik aren't 100% safe either. But you could say that I'm biased against Sheik... Wanted her out of Brawl as well, thought that Zero Suit Samus was her replacement. Now that we have an actual replacement I want them to actually use that oppertunity. Why shouldn't Sheik be replaced, but MEWTWO was? Why is everybody saying Ike should get out, and Chrome should come in (I agree, but Ike's still awesome). If anything Sheik is far more outdated than both Mewtwo and Ike, and yes... LESS DESERVING!

Ganon-rant:

-He's still a semi-clone, even in Brawl.
-Has got about 3 things they could use his moveset on: Trident, Magic, Sword, yet he has none of them.
-Heavily imbalanced in Brawl, is often being complained about. Basically the Mewtwo of Brawl. Thus not a popular character.
-No body really wanted to see him in Twilight Princess (core fans, I guess- didn't care much myself but I have to say, the Demise fight in SS was EVERYTHING the Ganon fight should've been in TP. Every, single, thing.)
-We don't know if he'll re appear either, but I personally rather give him the doubt than Sheik, but it honestly could be the other way around (and I'd hate it )

Now Dr.Mario... How come some of you guys even think Paper Mario would be a clone in any way of Mario? I'd even put him more amongst the likes of Mr.Game & Watch in a way. Paper Mario for example wouldn't have no Fire Balls (or PILLS) no Cape, no "Paper Mario Tornado" no Paper Fludd... NOTHING. Here comes a quick B moveset, if anyone can make a better Dr.Mario moveset based on anything is when I'll give up about this.

Side B: Hammer Smash: Paper Mario grabs his Hammer and slowly raises it above his head backwards, you hold in the control stick to the other direction he's facing to build up power. Can hold up to 4 to 5 seconds, and would be a rather slow attack, but powerful and good for egdeguard. When fully charged it'd do a whopping 22% damage and has very high knockback with a sweet spot in the middle of the hammer.

Up B: Paper Plane. Paper Mario folds himself into a paper plane and flies back to the stage. Does 1~2% on impact, but can cover quite some distance with it.

B: Jump / Double Jump. Yes, B makes you jump. At first sight, it's a regular jump, but if Paper Mario lands on you with the jump, he'll do damage, and can follow up with another jump attack. Each jump would do 11~12% damage, and footstools in the air.

Down B: Dimensional Warp. Paper Mario flips around for a second and turns to the 2D dimension, and makes himself harder to see, can also avoid projectiles with this move, but can't stay in 2D forever (up to 10 seconds). Like the Wario Waft however, this move cannot be spammed, and after each 10 seconds Paper Mario needs a 10 seconds break. Does no damage whatsoever.

Also, Dr.Mario was the most deserving character to be cut from Brawl IN MY HUMBLE OPINION. Why would anyone want him back, other than that they prefered him in Melee over Mario? I haven't heard one yet really... Also explain why him over the other cut charcters, namely Mewtwo and Roy? Come with good reasons for a change...

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I just dunno how you could say Paper Mario would LIKELY be treated as a separate series, when a Mario Kart stage was treated as part of the Mario series (I mean, what makes Paper Mario different than Mario Kart in this respect? Why is it so special?), and Paper Mario itself had eight trophies in Brawl, which were appropriately grouped with the rest of the Mario series trophies.

Paper Mario makes more sense as a spinoff than Toad or luigi because when you think of Paper mario, you think of the paper mario games, but when you think of luigi, luigis mansion isn't the first ting you think of, you think of him in mario games. Same with Toad.

This pretty much settles what I've been stating.

Everytime someone calls Donkey Kong a Mario character I want to throw them in a barrel and roll them of from a construction site.

Technically, whether or not you agree, Diddy Kong is a Mario Universe character. The Donkey Kong series is part of that universe. The same can also be said for the Yoshi series and Wario series, but not for any other series.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Universe is one thing, from the same series another.

 

[Big-Cat]

Spoiler

Impa's appeared in more than just two games. She's appeared in the first two Zelda games and the Oracle games. Of course, neither of these reflected her appearances in OoT and SS.

I think Toon Link will return as he and regular Link are basically two sides of the same coin. That's my opinion anyway.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

They're two different universes. Donkey Kong and Diddy just visits the Mario one from time to time.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Skyward Sword stage idea, spoilers plenty in this one:

Spoiler

What about a Skyloft stage, featuring the Tower of the Goddess and the Temple of the Triforce? Very similar to Caste Seige as the level would also change every now and then. First you start batteling close to the Tower of the Goddess as you see it before you know of the Triforce, then afterwards you enter the Temple of the Triforce, going through each room, of each region ; Faron, Eldin and Lanayru with a piece of each Triforce part in those rooms. It can be totally random which room comes when. After the Triforce is complete you'll return outside of to the Tower of the Goddess again, and this time you'll see in the background that your crashing into the land below the surface, namely the Sacred Grove in Faron. This is the final part of the stage, before it goes back into the sky again and rebuilds itself.

 

[Oasis_S]

This pretty much settles what I've been stating.

Problem is, Zzuxon didn't know I was joking.

 

[Shorts]

HEY KUMA, did you ever play the Street Fighter EX series?

 

[Johnknight1]

Impa doesn't appear in the first two Zelda games (the original Legend of Zelda and Zelda II) at all, unless she is an old man in the Legend of Zelda or every elderly village woman in Zelda II. I have played and beaten the Legend of Zelda and Zelda II multiple times, so I know GIRRLLLLFRANNNDDD!!!!

@ Diddy Kong
Ganondorf is safe. Period. I can 100% confirm him in all future smash bros. games. Just because he wasn't the main villain of a console 3D Zelda game for the 2nd time doesn't mean he's going anywhere in Zelda, either. He's here to stay. Basically every "main" villain in Zelda involves Ganon or Ganondorf, though. Dark Link wants to revive him. Vatti ended out being his slave. Zant was Ganondorf's slave. Nightmare had a Ganondorf form.

Spoiler

Demise apparently is a pre-cursor to Ganondorf, or where he got his powers from.

And Ganon was the "secret" last boss of Oracle of Ages, Oracle of Seasons, and Four Sword Adventures (not that anybody really liked that game). Ganondorf has been the instant "main villain" of the series (along with his alter ego/form, Ganon) since Ocarina of Time.

The Young Link in Smash 4 will probably be the Spirit Tracks Toon Link with a few moves borrowed from the Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass, and maybe even Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask.

That is, of course, unless there is a new Young Link in a new Zelda game.

I see no reason why smash would go "back" to Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask Young Link after replacing him with the more recent the Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass look. If anything, they'll move forward to the next Young Link (and Link). If that Young Link looks similar to the Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask Young Link, then I think Sakurai would be fine with that.

 

[Big-Cat]

HEY KUMA, did you ever play the Street Fighter EX series?

Can't say I have.

@John
My point was that Impa has been in the series since the very beginning. It wasn't about what her role/appearance was in those individual games.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Kuma
Impa didn't appear in either the Legend of Zelda or Zelda II, unless you count the manga. Impa had a role in the manga of both games. Impa's first video game appearance was in Ocarina of Time, and was also in the two Oracle games, and I believe Four Swords Adventures if my memory is correct (I don't remember much of that game but the bosses, beginning, and end).

I've also noticed that the "Old Man" in the original Legend of Zelda (who gave you weapons, gave hints, gambled with you, and sold stuff) and Zelda II (he taught you new magic techniques and new sword attacks) seems to have "become" the wizard sage who helps guide you in A Link to the Past (I forget his name). That Wizard Sage in A Link to the Past seems to have been spiritually succeeded by various fairies, the King of Red Lions/Hyrule, Midna, and now Impa as the "sage" role for Link (although in Ocarina of Time Impa was the "sage" character for Zelda).

 

[Disfunkshunal]

@John
Actually she appeared in the manuals for those games =P

@diddy
Coarse is a texture. You mean of course

 

[Diddy Kong]

If they don't make Ganon unique in Smash 4, I don't even want him in. But your probably right Johnknight. I'd say his chances in Smash are about 80% guranteed. He will likely be in Zelda WiiU or 3DS anyway.

Spoiler

On Demise though, it's said that Ganon likely has inherinted Demise's hatred for the Goddesses of Hyrule. Though, Ganon has the Triforce of Power, Demise doesn't. Wouldn't know which of the 2 was stronger, but I'd say Ganon for now.

Impa was mentioned in Zelda 1's instruction book, she was the one who told Link about Zelda's capture. It's a shame I could never finish Zelda 1 though.

 

[Big-Cat]

If they don't make Ganon unique in Smash 4, I don't even want him in. But your probably right Johnknight. I'd say his chances in Smash are about 80% guranteed. He will likely be in Zelda WiiU or 3DS anyway.

Spoiler

On Demise though, it's said that Ganon likely has inherinted Demise's hatred for the Goddesses of Hyrule. Though, Ganon has the Triforce of Power, Demise doesn't. Wouldn't know which of the 2 was stronger, but I'd say Ganon for now.

Impa was mentioned in Zelda 1's instruction book, she was the one who told Link about Zelda's capture. It's a shame I could never finish Zelda 1 though.

Spoiler

Ganondorf is the incarnation of Demise's hatred. Depending on how you interpret that, Ganondorf IS Demise. If Ganondorf has the Triforce of Power, then Demise by extension does.

Does anyone think that the Triforce characters should have final smashes/Super Smashes (basically, think of one as broken and the other as balanced) reflecting their Triforce attribute.

 

[Aurane]

Been rostering a little bit, and I was wondering if someone... short... could take a look at it?
[COLLAPSE="Roster ASage"]
~Mario Series~
Mario
Luigi*
Peach
Bowser
Toad*
~Donkey Kong Series~
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong*
King K. Rool*
~Yoshi Series~
Yoshi
Baby Mario and Luigi*
~Wario Series~
Wario
Kat and Ana*
~Kirby Series~
Kirby
King Dedede
Meta Knight
Waddle Dee*
Prince Fluff*
~LoZ Series~
Link
Zelda/Shiek
Ganondorf
Toon Link/Young Link*
Ghirahm(?)*
~Pokemon Series~
Pikachu
Johto Trainer (Typhlosion, Bayleef, and Totodile)*
Deoxys*
Lucario
Victini*
~Kid Icarus Series~
Pit
~Ice Climbers Series~
Ice Climbers
~Fire Emblem Series~
Marth*
Ike
Roy*
~Pikmin~
REMOVE
~RoB series~
REMOVE
~G&W Series~
Mr. G&W
~Star Fox Series~
Fox
Falco*
Peppy
Wolf*
Panther*
~F-Zero Series~
Captain Falcon
~Metroid Series~
Samus/ZSamus
Ridley*
~Earthbound Series~
Lucas
Ness*
~3rd Party Series~
Sonic*
Snake*
Mega Man Volnutt*[/COLLAPSE]