New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Conviction]

Inb4Usmashoverpowered

 

[Berserker.]

Inb4DACFTforSnake

also

Inb4RunningBlaster4Falco

 

[Conviction]

**** that!

Anyways, now that I've digressed enough, I was about to make a Sonic moveset. I wonder if I have enough time. I'm about to take my girl to lunch and then help her with the christmas lights. -____-

I'll see what I can do.

Since Sonic doesn't need that much revamping or because I really can't think of new A moves

Sonic Revamp
Dash Attack: Boost.....to be continued LOL
Neutral B: Faster Homing Attack, it was worthless in brawl besides understage homingstall
Side B:

FUUUUUU RAN OUT OF TIME, well

we out

 

[Diddy Kong]

If anything I hope most characters are as "good" as about High / Mid High tier characters are in Brawl in terms of options. Take Pikachu for example. Very few flaws in it's character design. Pretty balanced in terms of statistics, and besides D Smash no real overpowered options (maybe down B).

Sure in the end tiers will excist, they always will. But if anything I really hope they refrain from creating more Meta Knights and Ganondorfs.

Speaking of Pikachu, what if they switched up his B for what we know as his signature move, Thunderbolt? It could be chargeable to a degree, and would surround Pikachu with lightning energy, as in the anime (and his down B, but far less wide). After being charged up, you'd be able to shoot of a lightning bolt similary to PK Thunder's projectile, but with less freedom of movement. The move on impact even while charged up wouldn't do much knockback, but can do some nasty damage (up to 18% maybe). If uncharged, you could still use the ability to spam a small lightning attack similar to Thunder Jolt. Maybe it also should have stun ability, like Zero Suit Samus' moves.

 

[Berserker.]

Here we go!

It's not as designed but meet......

Toad v2.0

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Spoiler

SPECIALS

Neutral B - Spore shot

Toad's main projectile it's slow moving but it tracks the opponent. Great for offensive set ups

Forward B - Toad rush

Toad quickly rushes towards the opponent. In air, he still runs which means he will gradually fall slowly. He gains access to a sub moveset.

Spoiler

B - Stops running

Up B - Toad executes a super jump. Click B to follow it up with a #3 direction head dive which bounces/jumps on shield/enemy if it hits. This deals 9% damage

Forward B - Toad carelessly flaps his hands in front of him. This move eats out a lot of shield plus deals a whooping 15% damage.

Downward B - Toad grabs the enemy. He can throw the enemy up (For damage.), down (For tech chases), left and right (High KO potential moves)

A - Toad heavily headbutts the enemy causing the enemy to be stunned

Downward B - Mushroom

Toad pulls out a mushroom. Toad has 2 options with it. One is to use it to bounce or dash at a certain direction (Based on Mario Sports Mix). He can input Any direction + B to mushroom dash in the direction inputted. This can also deal 6% damage. This also has a start up invincibility. This will be Toad's main tool for run away or getting in. All of his moves can be cancelled to this at any time/frame. Toad's second option is to use it for zoning/offensive set ups. If he throws it, it will explode into spores dealing 9% damage.

Upward B - Propeller cap

The recovery goes as high as ROB's recovery. Unfortunately, he's pretty vulnerable to attacks. It has an extremely quick start up by the way.


ALL OF HIS NORMALS ARE THE SAME AS HIS NORMALS IN THIS MOVESET


Grab - Toad immediately lunges forward. If you are caught, you're pretty much grabbed. He can grab in mid air. This is actually a bit like an air dash or a ground dash. You can do the 3 times in a row. To reset it, you must land or ground or do it 3 times on ground (Or use common logic in this one). Input a direction + grab button to make Toad lunge at the following direction

Forward throw - Throw

Toad throws the enemy forward dealing 12% damage. Great for ending combos.

Downward throw - Stomp

Toad stomps on the enemy dealing 10% damage. In the air, this meteor smashes but you can't follow up d-air after this since it has some recovery. On ground, it ground bounces so you can follow up any attack after this.

Backward throw - Drop kick

Toad throws the enemy below him and kicks him at a #1 direction (Facing Right) dealing 9%. This is Toad's best throw for some follow ups such as b-throw to d-air.

Upward throw - Carry

Toad carries the opponent. He can throw him up, down, left or right. They all do 9% damage.

Brosis probably won't like this but he'll probably prefer the mushroom/spore based moveset (Which I'm gonna send)

 

[Diddy Kong]

Here we go!

It's not as designed but meet......

Toad v2.0

789
456
123

Spoiler

SPECIALS

Neutral B - Spore shot

Toad's main projectile it's slow moving but it tracks the opponent. Great for offensive set ups

Forward B - Toad rush

Toad quickly rushes towards the opponent. In air, he still runs which means he will gradually fall slowly. He gains access to a sub moveset.

Spoiler

Up B - Toad executes a super jump. Click B to follow it up with a #3 direction head dive which bounces/jumps on shield/enemy if it hits. This deals 9% damage

Forward B - Toad carelessly flaps his hands in front of him. This move eats out a lot of shield plus deals a whooping 15% damage.

Downward B - Toad grabs the enemy. He can throw the enemy up (For damage.), down (For tech chases), left and right (High KO potential moves)

A - Toad heavily headbutts the enemy causing the enemy to be stunned

Downward B - Mushroom

Toad pulls out a mushroom. Toad has 2 options with it. One is to use it to bounce or dash at a certain direction (Based on Mario Sports Mix). He can input Any direction + B to mushroom dash in the direction inputted. This can also deal 6% damage. This also has a start up invincibility. This will be Toad's main tool for run away or getting in. All of his moves can be cancelled to this at any time/frame. Toad's second option is to use it for zoning/offensive set ups. If he throws it, it will explode into spores dealing 9% damage.

Upward B - Propeller cap

Toad's main recovery and a good one! He can use his ice flower while recovering but he can't use his bob-omb pals! The recovery goes as high as ROB's recovery. Unfortunately, he's pretty vulnerable to attacks. It has an extremely quick start up by the way.


ALL OF HIS NORMALS ARE THE SAME AS HIS NORMALS IN THIS MOVESET


Grab - Toad immediately lunges forward. If you are caught, you're pretty much grabbed. He can grab in mid air. This is actually a bit like an air dash or a ground dash. You can do the 3 times in a row. To reset it, you must land or ground or do it 3 times on ground (Or use common logic in this one). Input a direction + grab button to make Toad lunge at the following direction

Forward throw - Throw

Toad throws the enemy forward dealing 12% damage. Great for ending combos.

Downward throw - Stomp

Toad stomps on the enemy dealing 10% damage. In the air, this meteor smashes but you can't follow up d-air after this since it has some recovery. On ground, it ground bounces so you can follow up any attack after this.

Backward throw - Drop kick

Toad throws the enemy below him and kicks him at a #1 direction (Facing Right) dealing 9%. This is Toad's best throw for some follow ups such as b-throw to d-air.

Upward throw - Carry

Toad carries the opponent. He can throw him up, down, left or right. They all do 9% damage.

I've always imagined Toad would have A moves which'd be very similar to Ness and Jigglypuff's. I could totally see him doing Ness' F tilt roundhouse kick, or Jiggly's F air. What about a POW block for his Down B? Have the Mushroom being his Forward B?

 

[Oasis_S]

I like how Sakurai turned Toad into a "NOOO! PLEASE DON'T HIT ME!" attack.

EDIT: HARUMPH.

 

[Berserker.]

Time for a joke: How many Ridleys does it take to get in Smash 4? None. He's too large.

Technically, two Ridleys got into Brawl.

I wonder how FEASIBLE it would be to have Meta-Ridley as an alt costume.

Technically, two Ridleys got into Brawl.

Oh btw, that boss is not Ridley. That's Firebrand painted purple, put on armor/make up and made scrawnier. This is solid proof that Megaman won't get in but Firebrand will..... But it will take a Ridley to put him in (Lol Star reference). OKAY TO MAKE SURE. It will take 4 Ridleys (Normal, Meta, Omega and X/Parasite)

3rd edit: Did I say Ridleys. I meant.... Playable Ridleys
LOLOLOL. It's all for the fun

 

[Oasis_S]

Technically, two Ridleys got into Brawl.

I wonder how FEASIBLE it would be to have Meta-Ridley as an alt costume.

 

[Berserker.]

Technically, two Ridleys got into Brawl.

I wonder how FEASIBLE it would be to have Meta-Ridley as an alt costume.

Would be cool UNLESS it was a final smash.

Oh btw, that boss is not Ridley. That's Firebrand painted purple, put on armor/make up and made scrawnier. This is solid proof that Megaman won't get in but Firebrand will..... But it will take a Ridley to put him in (Lol Star reference). OKAY TO MAKE SURE. It will take 4 Ridleys (Normal, Meta, Omega and X/Parasite)

3rd edit: Did I say Ridleys. I meant.... Playable Ridleys

It became quiet.... FINE. I'll stop. Back on topic

Oh man... Off for now

 

[Metal Overlord]

I'm pretty much getting tired of the toad debate and other things like Ganondorf not being in Smash 4. It's gonna get rough for me in the Top Roster Candidate competition.

My inspiration is pretty much UMvC 3. Not that I copy some stuff from it (Maybe some but with a twist so that it won't be like the move)

This was an argument?

Snake is already overpowered, do you think he needs buffs? He's also way, way, waayyy too heavy. He should be middle weight, or a tad heavier if anything. Same weight as Link, but lighter than Ike is now.

And Metal Overlord, yes, deserving.

I don't feel like going into some lenghty-*** monologue about how much I disagree with that, so I'll just say this and be done with it:

"Deserving" has absolutely nothing to do with a character getting in. Period.

 

[Zzuxon]

Um, why'd you change the moveset berserker01?

 

[Diddy Kong]

For the ones having completed Skyward Sword... Here's a question:

Spoiler

Ganondorf or Demise?

 

[Oasis_S]

So like, you can say Samurai Goroh compared to Black Shadow is more popular, would be more unique, is more important to his series, has more history with his series, etc., but you just can't say he's more deserving?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Apparently not.

It's also funny that you'd think I'd want to explain myself with a monologue while I was pretty clear I was not in my first post.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Nah, Paper Mario if anything. Dr.Mario was added so that they could use his music >_> He was litterally filling up the roster. Was that neccecary? Weren't Meta Knight, Diddy Kong, Wario or King DeDeDe far more deserving? You answer those questions.

Paper Mario would likely be treated as a Paper Mario series character. That way, the Super Mario franchise would still be open for a 5th rep.

 

[Oasis_S]

Toad can be treated as a Wario's Woods character, so the Mario series can still have another character.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Toad can be treated as a Wario's Woods character, so the Mario series can still have another character.

That wouldn't work as well as Paper Mario though, since Wario's Woods is a spin-off title.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I personally don't see Mario and Paper Mario as different characters, but he'd play a lot different from Mario.

I would thus also be satisfied if they gave Mario the hammer smash (from Paper Mario, but also Mario RPG and Mario & Luigi). Possibily as replacement for the Cape? Make the Cape maybe his Up B, but with reflective properties when used on stage?

Said this before but what about an offensive footstool jump for Mario and Luigi??

 

[Oasis_S]

That wouldn't work as well as Paper Mario though, since Wario's Woods is a spin-off title.

Let's count Luigi as a Luigi's Mansion character then. Frees up a space.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Let's count Luigi as a Luigi's Mansion character then. Frees up a space.

It could, seeing as Yoshi is treated as a Yoshi series character, despite originating from a Super Mario series title.

I'm starting to think that I made a mistake for making that Paper Mario statement.

 

[Oasis_S]

I just dunno how you could say Paper Mario would LIKELY be treated as a separate series, when a Mario Kart stage was treated as part of the Mario series (I mean, what makes Paper Mario different than Mario Kart in this respect? Why is it so special?), and Paper Mario itself had eight trophies in Brawl, which were appropriately grouped with the rest of the Mario series trophies.

 

[Conviction]

@Diddy Kong: not deserving, say more likely.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Deserving is imo a good word to describe when arguing I'd rather have seen Diddy, Meta Knight or Wario in Melee over Dr.Mario...

 

[Conviction]

So in others he was entitled to it? What caused this entitlement?

Just wondering.

 

[shaSLAM]

SO AM I THE ONLY PERSON WHO WANTS TO SEE MISCHIEF MAKERS CHARACTERS IN THE NEW SMASH?????

btw diddy kong, by reading your posts its hard to believe that youve ever been to any tournaments or played competitive brawl before lmao

 

[Aurane]

Sakurai's ideas hide better then the perfect Ninja. Even the Elder does not know what he's truely planning...

 

[Zzuxon]

Paper Mario makes more sense as a spinoff than Toad or luigi because when you think of Paper mario, you think of the paper mario games, but when you think of luigi, luigis mansion isn't the first ting you think of, you think of him in mario games. Same with Toad.

 

[Shorts]

Paper Mario will be a Mario character. There is absolutely ZERO reason to think otherwise. Look at Luigi, look at the MK stage, and look at Doc. End discussion.

Paper Mario =/= Yoshi/DK/Wario


I WOULD like to point out Tingle's Rupeeland COULD be it's own franchise.

Paper Mario makes more sense as a spinoff than Toad or luigi because when you think of Paper mario

When you think Paper Mario, by default you think MARIO. Toon Link doesn't have his own franchise, because HE IS LINK. In PM, no one refers to PM as PM. He's just Mario, because the game is 100% a Mario game. Not a spin off series. It can't be a spin-off series considering the main character is the original series, is MARIO.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I don't go to tournaments. Problem? Doesn't mean I don't know the game I'm talking about or anything.

And how you mean entitled? Dr.Mario was filler, litterally. Only justified cause OMGZ WE LUB DA PILLZ

Spoiler

and Fair

 

[Aurane]

Paper Mario will be a Mario character. There is absolutely ZERO reason to think otherwise. Look at Luigi, look at the MK stage, and look at Doc. End discussion.

Paper Mario =/= Yoshi/DK/Wario


I WOULD like to point out Tingle's Rupeeland COULD be it's own franchise.

Paper Mario is a Mario Character. No exceptions. Luigi, when born, was actually a Mario Spinoff, because he was just a green Mario (Mario Bros.), so I agree with you there.

Paper Mario and Mario will never compare to Donkey Kong, ever. He originally started the Nintendo franchise, and then Mario stole it.

Tingle originates from LoZ, so no, it cannot be its own franchise.

 

[Shorts]

Paper Mario is a Mario Character, but is an alternate forme of the original Mario. No exceptions. Luigi, when born, was actually a Mario Spinoff, because he was just a green Mario (Mario Bros.), so I agree with you there.

Paper Mario and Mario will never compare to Donkey Kong, ever. He originally started the Nintendo franchise, and then Mario stole it.

Tingle originates from LoZ, so no, it cannot be its own franchise.

This is literally, the WORST arguement on this subject I have heard. All three of those lines of text are completely asinine.

Paper Mario is Mario, who is the main character of the Mario franchise. Which paper Mario is part of.

Tingle's Rupeeland is definitely it's own franchise. It's JUST like DK, Wario, and Yoshi in terms of being a supporting character who gets popular/whatever and gets his own role.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Everytime someone calls Donkey Kong a Mario character I want to throw them in a barrel and roll them of from a construction site.

 

[Aurane]

This is literally, the WORST arguement on this subject I have heard. All three of those lines of text are completely asinine.

Paper Mario is Mario, who is the main character of the Mario franchise. Which paper Mario is part of.

Tingle's Rupeeland is definitely it's own franchise. It's JUST like DK, Wario, and Yoshi in terms of being a supporting character who gets popular/whatever and gets his own role.

Noticed I changed the first line T_T
Paper Mario is Mario. I said that.

DK is it's own series. That's obvious. Wario and Yoshi are in the catagory of Paper Mario, which is spin offs. PM is an RPG. Super Mario, the original series, was not.

 

[Shorts]

DK is it's own series. That's obvious. Wario and Yoshi are in the catagory of Paper Mario, which is spin offs. PM is an RPG. Super Mario, the original series, was not.

Paper Mario is an RPG, in the Mario franchise.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Misconception runs high in this thread. Grow the **** up, and discuss us some Nintendo will ya?

 

[Aurane]

Misconception runs high in this thread. Grow the **** up, and discuss us some Nintendo will ya?

That was super effective Thank you.

Donkey Kong started Nintendo. Mario couldn't of done it alone. So would Mario be a spin off of DK..? Probably not, but still.

@Shortie It's part of the Mario series as a Spin off, man! Geez...

 

[Deleted member]

I agree with Shortie in that Paper Mario will not get it's own series.

 

[Aurane]

I agree with Shortie in that Paper Mario will not get it's own series.

...Well, yeah, of course, it's not Super Mario...

 

[Diddy Kong]

I say the Arcade Donkey Kong game was a start for both, it shouldn't be considered either a Mario, or a DK game, just the start of it both. And it was my plessure.

Main difference between DK and say, Yoshi is that Yoshi appeared as a side kick character in SMW, when the series was already established in a way we still know it as today. Wario started as a boss character in a Mario game, but I see him as more stand of than Yoshi. DK is a whole different level though.

Then again there is also Mario vs Donkey Kong, but I refuse to acknowlegde it's excistence untill there comes a proper Donkey Kong vs Mario game. >_>