I don't expect them, because they had nothing stopping them from being in Brawl.
The 39 characters in the game, all of whom fit in the game better than they would have. That was the biggest roadblock for said characters. Now the competition is less stiff.
I don't buy your whole "They have only gotten more important" stuff either. They've stayed the same at best. Toad is Luigi2.0, and Junior is still a semi boss. They're good choices, I just don't think they're happening. Junior's biggest role was Sunshine, and Toad hasn't exactly changed much since Pre-Brawl. They had all the reasons to be added then that they do now.
Bowser Jr.'s role as his dad's sidekick is now occurring in nearly every canon Mario game. Before, we just had two canon Mario games he appeared. That's only one more than Wart. But 4 canon games=??? That's a pretty hefty improvement.
As for Toad, he helps Mario more, he helps Luigi more, and Toad just seems... like he matters. I couldn't say that when I was younger. I'm not saying the odds are in their favor (I think they are rather against them both), but that they stand a chance. That's all they really need. A shot.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS, this time around, the choices aren't as easy to read. Brawl could have been predicted the moment the trailer came out, minus a few choices. It was pretty straight forward.
Who exactly does Toad, Bowser Jr., and Paper Mario have to worry about being picked over them=???
Also, Brawl wasn't that easy to guess on. With Melee, we got a crap ton of randoms (the Ice Climbers, Marth, Roy, Mr. Game and Watch). With Brawl, most predicted the likes of Waluigi, Mega Man (which was a good guess), Roy, Mewtwo, all kinds of retro characters. Many predicted the cuts of the Ice Climbers, Game and Watch, and Ness.
This time it is difficult to tell... right now. For those of us who notice "patterns" in the reveal trailer, we will catch where these two new game may be headed roster-wise. Even then, those of us who saw the bulk of the roster coming didn't see the curve balls, the twists and turns created by the dojo (would Sheik return? The Ness thing, the Pokémon Trainer), and we were often thrown off into red herrings like Ridley (which most of us thought was a shoe-in). It is going to be a lot harder "figuring out" two new games at once rather than just one. That much is for sure. With a depleted amount of "have to have" characters, Sakurai could throw wild card after wild card.
@Johnknight: Anarchy? I must say you're starting to sound like the Joker with your love of it.
Also I think you mean Star, not SSBF, with those gifs.
Yes, I mean it (and I used to do a great Heath Ledger Joker impersonation). Stuff will be crazy, and groups will rule forums. The Ridley group shall own his thread once more!!!
And yes, I meant pictures (that SSBF) has.
Then read everything I say. Didn't tryhi just say, "might" is the name of the game? Isn't "mights" all I've been talking in? I'm not taking any pattern too seriously. It's the one I think has legitimacy behind it out of all the Mario patterns. I've never said it was set in stone. That would be too seriously.
Sakurai's patterns change from game to game. He went from having nearly half the newcomers being relative unknowns in Melee to having only only the Pokémon Trainer (with well-known Pokémon), ROB, and arguably Pit being the only "unknown" newcomers in Brawl.
We have evidence Doctor Mario was going to be added, OVER THEM. You don't find that a tad SUS?
There is no proof that Dr. Mario's Brawl data was new data. Tthere is evidence to support that Doc and Pichu's data may have been just copy and pasted from Melee. Roy and Mewtwo are the only Melee cuts that have original data that we know of. Both not just have victory poses, but Mewtwo also has a trophy model and a few specialized screenshots.
♪!? is a wild card, which I won't go into now)
