New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Johnknight1]

Exactly. Toadsworth could bring a lot to the table. Just as unique moves as Toad, and a cane. Plus, being an old man, he'd have great fighting experience possibly.

That sounds like a fun character idea. I like it! Also Hyper, how do I get the rep as the wall of text poster when your posts are usually longer=???

All that matters is that he Sakurai thinks Toad can be usable for Smash.

That and if the Smash Bros. development team thinks Toad is worthy of a roster spot.

So Waluigi has more [fans] than R.O.B. Imagine that, right?

Waluigi had a few dozen pre-Brawl SWF fans. It was nothing compared to the amount of Diddy, Ike, Lucario, Dedede, Ridley, Geno, Mega Man, and above all, Sonic fans.

And Waluigi was popular before Lucario was. Once again, your statement isn't even provable. You think he might not be as popular.

Waluigi's demand to appear in Brawl was nowhere near as big as Lucario's pre-Brawl demand. Lucario had a absurd amount of supporters.

Ignoring threads for characters that aren't eligible, you have no point here. Waluigi is eligible. Try again.

You keep misreading my posts. That wasn't a Waluigi slam; it was just a funny fact. There was a Master Chief thread, and if I'm not mistaken, a Jynx thread!

the first people I've asked about Waluigi? They'd gladly play as him

Of those people you asked, how many didn't buy smash bros., and how many of those who didn't buy smash bros. said they would "definitely" buy or at least play or rent smash bros. is Waluigi was in it=??? Your "poll" doesn't mean anything to Nintendo unless it would make them buy more games.

So you made one good guess. What about Melee and 64's roster? Were you also almost completely right on that? One time makes a great guesser, not an actual master of it. I could've guessed most of the roster too. In fact, none of it surprised me whatsoever save R.O.B. I found the rest rather obvious myself.

No, I made 37 good guesses. I understand what Sakurai is trying to accomplish, and once I see the first few newcomers for Smash 4 I will get a good feel for the direction of the two upcoming smash bros. games.

 

[Oasis_S]

@Shorts: Kinopio it looks like.

@John: With 37 good guesses, and 15 bad guesses, YOUR PREDICTION SCORE IS 22.

 

[Johnknight1]

@John: With 37 good guesses, and 15 bad guesses, YOUR PREDICTION SCORE IS 22.[/QUOTE]

Hey, 37 of my 45 predicted characters made it (I thought the Brawl roster would be most likely about 40-42, so I thought I would give myself toss ups and a few retro characters).

That means I got a 29.

Also, does that factor in:
-That I guessed 10 of the last Super Bowls right between the two teams (I bet a small sum of money on the Giants to beat the Patriots that I used to buy a Wii and DS, hehehe!).
-That I have guessed all the NBA Championships right going back to like 2005 when I guessed the Lakers-Pistons series wrong (that's the last time I root for anything SoCal).
-Told my brother on July 30th of last year the Giants would finally win the World Series? (that was mad hype!)
-That I bet $20 on the Rangers in January of this year that they would win the World Series with 25:1 odds. (I was 1 pitch away from being right... TWICE!!!)
-That I successfully predicted Oasis would make a funny comment... EVERY TIME!!!
-That I want Ridley in Smash 4 about as badly as I want to get my dang two associate's degrees already! (all of them are so close I can smell it!)

 

[Oasis_S]

Fine, your prediction score is ZERO since you guessed like 30 newcomers and only half of them made it. CANCELS OUT.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

That sounds like a fun character idea. I like it! Also Hyper, how do I get the rep as the wall of text poster when your posts are usually longer=???

I'm not sure what your second sentence means.

That and if the Smash Bros. development team thinks Toad is worthy of a roster spot.

Which we have yet to see.

Waluigi had a few dozen pre-Brawl SWF fans. It was nothing compared to the amount of Diddy, Ike, Lucario, Dedede, Ridley, Geno, Mega Man, and above all, Sonic fans.
Waluigi's demand to appear in Brawl was nowhere near as big as Lucario's pre-Brawl demand. Lucario had a absurd amount of supporters.

Are you sure you only mean Smashboards? I've seen tons of Waluigi in Brawl topics. Same with the rest. They all have tons of supporters, including Waluigi.

You keep misreading my posts. That wasn't a Waluigi slam; it was just a funny fact. There was a Master Chief thread, and if I'm not mistaken, a Jynx thread!

I actually only have a problem with Master Chief due to having no Nintendo appearances. My only problem with Jynx is that she's 1st Gen. 3rd Gen should be more important, IMO.

Of those people you asked, how many didn't buy smash bros., and how many of those who didn't buy smash bros. said they would "definitely" buy or at least play or rent smash bros. is Waluigi was in it=??? Your "poll" doesn't mean anything to Nintendo unless it would make them buy more games.

All of them have bought, played, and enjoy Smash Bros. and the other games. My point still stands.

No, I made 37 good guesses. I understand what Sakurai is trying to accomplish, and once I see the first few newcomers for Smash 4 I will get a good feel for the direction of the two upcoming smash bros. games.

Trust me, the original 12 were obvious. So was most of Melee. Olimar and R.O.B. were no stretch. Sonic was obvious the second Snake was announced. Toon Link was beyond obvious as is. I knew Diddy would get in. DeDeDe wasn't even hard to guess. Nor was Wolf. Really, the WTF choices pretty much didn't exist outside of maybe Snake.(who doesn't fit in well with the others, huh.)

 

[Johnknight1]

Fine, your prediction score is ZERO since you guessed like 30 newcomers and only half of them made it. CANCELS OUT.

I guessed Mewtwo and Roy wrong.
So that's 5 newcomers wrong out of...
17 (plus 2 missed in the PT and ROB).
that means I get 10 newcomer points, and 20 veteran points. That's still 30 points for Team Gryphondor Slythrin Voldemort! (reference for the win!)

Do Free Bird.

Smash Bros. could seriously use Free Bird. The ending soloing of Free Bird should be the intro song to a smash bros. game, along with actual clips of the clashing of "Nintendo's All-Stars" instead of hyping a silly story mode that fails flat on its' face!

 

[Shorts]

I wonder IF Toad gets in, will we be able to tell? If Peach starts throwing a different thingin front of her, I think we can assume he's playable. If he's used in the SSB4 trailer as a sheild again... is he deconfirmed?...

I weary because of the situation we had in Brawl, with R.O.B being "deconfirmed". Although... I suppose IN BRAWL Toad was deconfirmed via Peach using him on the dojo.

John is being confusing. JUST TELL US EVERYONE YOU PREDICTED SO WE CAN LAUGH AT YOUR SCORE. I want to know everyone you predicted, and who didn't make it in.

 

[ChronoBound]

I think Toad will pretty much be either confirmed or deconfirmed as soon as we are aware of whether he is still one of her specials. Yeah, there is the small chance that he might still end up being playable, however, I would not get my hopes up.

On a side note, I finally got Kirby's Return to Dream Land. Its the first Kirby game I bought since Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land released all the way back in 2002. Its a really fun game so far. Its sad that it has gone unnoticed. This is the second game I bought this year.

I am planning on getting Skyward Sword, however, I am concerned that Smaschu has called the game weaker than Twilight Princess. If it does end up being received by fans as the "weakest of the 3D console Zeldas" and Ghirahim is simply received as being "Zant Part II", then I think a large portion of the Smash fanbase will resign itself to the fact that Zelda not only will not be getting a newcomer but that it has all the characters it needs. Personally, I think a large portion of the Smash fanbase will simply back Ghirahim simply on the grounds of him being the most plausible Zelda newcomer.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I think Toad will pretty much be either confirmed or deconfirmed as soon as we are aware of whether he is still one of her specials. Yeah, there is the small chance that he might still end up being playable, however, I would not get my hopes up.

On a side note, I finally got Kirby's Return to Dream Land. Its the first Kirby game I bought since Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land released all the way back in 2002. Its a really fun game so far. Its sad that it has gone unnoticed. This is the second game I bought this year.

I am planning on getting Skyward Sword, however, I am concerned that Smaschu has called the game weaker than Twilight Princess. If it does end up being received by fans as the "weakest of the 3D console Zeldas" and Ghirahim is simply received as being "Zant Part II", then I think a large portion of the Smash fanbase will resign itself to the fact that Zelda not only will not be getting a newcomer but that it has all the characters it needs. Personally, I think a large portion of the Smash fanbase will simply back Ghirahim simply on the grounds of him being the most plausible Zelda newcomer.

Like how ROB was deconfirmed the second we saw he was a regular enemy in Subspace?

 

[ChronoBound]

Like how ROB was deconfirmed the second we saw he was a regular enemy in Subspace?

That is why I said it would still be possible, though I think in my mind it will probably mean that Sakurai still does not think of Toad as being worthy of a playable spot.

I have been posting a lot due to some information in regards to Mario Kart 7 and Skyward Sword. Perhaps even Fortune Street will give me something to talk about too.

However, once these games are all released, I will have nothing to say for a while.

 

[Johnknight1]

I'm not sure what your second sentence means.

I have a reputation as someone who has long responses. Yet, your responses to me are longer than my responses to you. You are probably the only person who has longer posts than me, Wiseguy (from the pre-Brawl days) aside.

Which we have yet to see.

I got a feeling we will see it early Toad early on, either as Peach's neutral B, a newcomer, or maybe both! o.O (just a gut feeling) I think if Toad is playable, Toadsworth would most likely be Peach's neutral B. That would be funny.

Are you sure you only mean Smashboards? I've seen tons of Waluigi in Brawl topics. Same with the rest. They all have tons of supporters, including Waluigi.

There were about 50 people on SWF who always posted about Waluigi, compared to a few hundred to a few thousand for the likes of Ike, Diddy, Olimar, Dedede, and Lucario.

All of them have bought, played, and enjoy Smash Bros. and the other games. My point still stands.

Yes, but that's not because of Waluigi. I am asking if you know anyone who would only buy a future smash bros. game IF it had Waluigi playable.

Trust me, the original 12 were obvious. So was most of Melee. Olimar and R.O.B. were no stretch. Sonic was obvious the second Snake was announced. Toon Link was beyond obvious as is. I knew Diddy would get in. DeDeDe wasn't even hard to guess. Nor was Wolf. Really, the WTF choices pretty much didn't exist outside of maybe Snake.(who doesn't fit in well with the others, huh.)

You obviously weren't here for the "Ness has appeared in every smash. bros game up until now" dojo post on Lucas' new moves (comparing him to Ness) where nearly everyone thought Ness was officially "de-confirmed" in October. Then in January Ness got accidentally confirmed, along with Lucario and Jigglypuff by a Brawl Japanese Advertisement!

The last post of the Ness thread was "I told you all I would be laughing when Ness would be confirmed after all of you said he wouldn't be in the game. I am now laughing." ROB similarly "de-confirmed" because he appeared as a Subspace Emissary common enemy. The Pokémon Trainer was just a wild shot in the dark few saw coming.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I have a reputation as someone who has long responses. Yet, your responses to me are longer than my responses to you. You are probably the only person who has longer posts than me, Wiseguy (from the pre-Brawl days) aside.

That's because I have a lot to say.

I got a feeling we will see it early Toad early on, either as Peach's neutral B, a newcomer, or maybe both! o.O (just a gut feeling) I think if Toad is playable, Toadsworth would most likely be Peach's neutral B. That would be funny.

As funny as it would be, I see Toadsworth having tons more potential, and he's more defined as a character in the games anyway.

There were about 50 people on SWF who always posted about Waluigi, compared to a few hundred to a few thousand for the likes of Ike, Diddy, Olimar, Dedede, and Lucario.

I wasn't only referring to SWF, though.

Yes, but that's not because of Waluigi. I am asking if you know anyone who would only buy a future smash bros. game IF it had Waluigi playable.

Every person I quizzed specifically said yes.

You obviously weren't here for the "Ness has appeared in every smash. bros game up until now" dojo post on Lucas' new moves (comparing him to Ness) where nearly everyone thought Ness was officially "de-confirmed" in October. Then in January Ness got accidentally confirmed, along with Lucario and Jigglypuff by a Brawl Japanese Advertisement!

I actually was. I knew he would stay in since he did in Melee.

The last post of the Ness thread was "I told you all I would be laughing when Ness would be confirmed after all of you said he wouldn't be in the game. I am now laughing." ROB similarly "de-confirmed" because he appeared as a Subspace Emissary common enemy. The Pokémon Trainer was just a wild shot in the dark few saw coming.

As I said, I knew Ness would be in. It was pure obvious, as I knew Toon Link has a good chance, if Young Link didn't return.

 

[Johnknight1]

I wonder IF Toad gets in, will we be able to tell? If Peach starts throwing a different thingin front of her, I think we can assume he's playable. If he's used in the SSB4 trailer as a sheild again... is he deconfirmed?...

I weary because of the situation we had in Brawl, with R.O.B being "deconfirmed". Although... I suppose IN BRAWL Toad was deconfirmed via Peach using him on the dojo.

John is being confusing. JUST TELL US EVERYONE YOU PREDICTED SO WE CAN LAUGH AT YOUR SCORE. I want to know everyone you predicted, and who didn't make it in.

Here is a link to my Brawl character prediction video (it came out the day the first character was revealed on the dojo, Ike, back on August 1st, 2007

As side notes:
-I included Dixie/K. Rool because I felt the Donkey Kong franchise would get 3 representatives, and I felt one of those would make it in Brawl. I was close, but wrong.
-I included Midna even though I felt most likely she would not make it. I thought she had some chance to be Brawl's Sheik.
-I picked Wolf/Krystal because I felt Star Fox would get 3 representatives. I was right and Wolf made it.
-I picked the Balloon Fighter, Mach Rider, and Geno as WTF/retro characters. Obviously the Pokémon Trainer and ROB were the WTF/retro characters I was looking for.
-For some reason I forgot Olimar existed on this video and didn't include him. I was pretty sure at that point he was a shoe-in.
-I thought Roy had a chance to return, but the odds were against him, while I felt Mewtwo had a 85% chance to return.

 

[Drclaw411]

looks like i didn't get in to the back room :/ oh well, i just requested to join again lol. squeaky wheel gets the grease!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well, you just need to be on a bit more, Drclaw. Just be patient, man.

 

[Johnknight1]

I remember laughing at people who suggested Charizard be playable in Super Smash Bros. Brawl. The one guy who suggested Ivysaur I ripped to shreds... Funny how things happen.

This reminds me of that crazy guy who had that "pro-Squirtle, anti-Lucario" thread who felt Squirtle was a shoe-in confirmed character, and Lucario was a shoe-in "de-confirmed" character.

But yeah, someone once proposed to me that Charizard could be playable. I laughed it off, saying it would be awesome, but as unlikely. Boy was I DEAD wrong!

If you think about it, the Pokémon Trainer made perfect sense. Nearly everyone knows who Red/Ash is, Squirtle is, Charizard is (especially), and even what Ivysaur is. They are popular, and could be unique. It was unexpected, and yet makes tons of sense. That is why it was such a great decision.

I swear, if Dr. Eggman is playable you all [on this thread] got to say I was the first person who said he would be Smash 4's Pokémon Trainer.

As funny as it would be, I see Toadsworth having tons more potential, and he's more defined as a character in the games anyway.

I'll take the funny route. I think Toad as a universal character instead of a specific Toad would be better (the same goes with Yoshi).

I wasn't only referring to SWF, though.

Well I was giving a comparison to fan base size. That is aside from those who only somewhat wanted Waluigi, who were was the majority of pro-Waluigi folks.

Every person I quizzed specifically said yes.

So they would only buy the next smash bros if Waluigi was playable=??? Also, who did you ask, how many people did you ask, and what is their age demographic=???

I actually was. I knew he would stay in since he did in Melee.

You know how I said I get a "feeling" when something will happen=??? After that Smash Dojo post I was in a denial stage that Ness wouldn't be in smash, and then gradually accepted it. A few weeks before Ness was accidentally revealed, I stated "I still think Ness has a chance, and I'm not backing down." That was my finest bandwagon jumping/return of all-ti I'm still proud of myself for returning to that Ness bandwagon!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

This reminds me of that crazy guy who had that "pro-Squirtle, anti-Lucario" thread who felt Squirtle was a shoe-in confirmed character, and Lucario was a shoe-in "de-confirmed" character.

But yeah, someone once proposed to me that Charizard could be playable. I laughed it off, saying it would be awesome, but as unlikely. Boy was I DEAD wrong!

Yeah, but as I said, we have no idea who Sakurai would choose for sure. I'm not holding my breath for anyone, including Toad. In fact I can't see anyone beyond Toad, Geno, Bowser Jr./Shadow Mario and Waluigi standing any chance of getting in. Paper Mario is unlikely, due to being technically still Mario(despite being completely different in how he plays)

If you think about it, the Pokémon Trainer made perfect sense. Nearly everyone knows who Red/Ash is, Squirtle is, Charizard is (especially), and even what Ivysaur is. They are popular, and could be unique. It was unexpected, and yet makes tons of sense. That is why it was such a great decision.

...Ash is not Red. Ash was only based upon Red and is a horrible character. Please don't call them the same. It's fine if you compare them, but this is the topic of much ire.

I swear, if Dr. Eggman is playable you all [on this thread] got to say I was the first person who said he would be Smash 4's Pokémon Trainer.

I would love him to get in, if no other Third Party companies are available. I don't know who for Konami, but Simon Belmont would be sweet.

I'll take the funny route. I think Toad as a universal character instead of a specific Toad would be better (the same goes with Yoshi).

Fair enough. That works a bit better since there's more options. I like composite characters. Also, Boshi costume for Brawl.

Well I was giving a comparison to fan base size. That is aside from those who only somewhat wanted Waluigi, who were was the majority of pro-Waluigi folks.

Fair enough. As long as you acknowledge that he's actually pretty damn popular.

So they would only buy the next smash bros if Waluigi was playable=??? Also, who did you ask, how many people did you ask, and what is their age demographic=???

I never said anything pertaining to the first. But yes, I know that there are fans who would love to play as him in Smash and that would be one of many reasons to play as him. The problem is, no one single character would apply for that. As long as fans want to play as him was the criteria. That one exists. They're in the ranges of 18-22.

You know how I said I get a "feeling" when something will happen=??? After that Smash Dojo post I was in a denial stage that Ness wouldn't be in smash, and then gradually accepted it. A few weeks before Ness was accidentally revealed, I stated "I still think Ness has a chance, and I'm not backing down." Best return to a bandwagon ever on my part!

Sooo... you're got good prediction skills. Okay. I'm not sure that says you're going to be always be right. I do too, actually. I've gotten a 80% rate on a coin tosses before. Or was it 90%? But those are just rates, and we both know they aren't for sure anyway.

 

[Luco]

...Ash is not Red. Ash was only based upon Red and is a horrible character. Please don't call them the same. It's fine if you compare them, but this is the topic of much ire.

I know how many times i've heard this but i just can't bring myself to agree with it. I'd also disagree that he's a horrible character. If anything, he's more realistic to the series, albeit childish and captain obvious.

But my logic is this: They were based in the same world, both knew a guy called professor Oak and for that matter they both knew just about the same people, albeit that Blue was Gary in the series. They look similar, and Gary is just as much a (and excuse the language) ***** in the series as he is a ***** in the games, PLUS pokemon yellow did indeed have the names Ash and Gary as options, and it was based on the same world as red and blue, even though it was released a few months later.

Now you CAN say they aren't the same person because you could just about name your trainer anything, but then again you have to admit how much the pokemon trainer in brawl looks like Ash from the anime, and maybe even ash from the games.

But of course I do understand that they are often seen as two different people. I'm not always sure why, but they are, so i can easily respect your opinion.

 

[Shorts]

...Ash is not Red. Ash was only based upon Red and is a horrible character. Please don't call them the same. It's fine if you compare them, but this is the topic of much ire.

I hope you realize Ash as a character was thought up years before Red was added to Brawl. Satoshi had been voted for by Smash fans since Melee. In a sense, Sakurai may have got the idea from fans. Even if he didn't, the idea started with Ash.

 

[Johnknight1]

Yeah, but as I said, we have no idea who Sakurai would choose for sure. I'm not holding my breath for anyone, including Toad. In fact I can't see anyone beyond Toad, Geno, Bowser Jr./Shadow Mario and Waluigi standing any chance of getting in. Paper Mario is unlikely, due to being technically still Mario(despite being completely different in how he plays)

Paper Mario I think is a near shoe-in. Something about him reminds me of King Dedede. He just... seems perfect and destined for the next Smash Bros. game. I dunno why. If I had to bet my life on whether Toad would make it or not in Smash 4 as a playable character, I would have to say no. Having said that, I think Toad still has a nice shot.

I would love him to get in, if no other Third Party companies are available. I don't know who for Konami, but Simon Belmont would be sweet.

Simon would be a sweet second Konami character. That or Psycho Mantis. "I will now make your controller... VIBRATE!!!"

Fair enough. That works a bit better since there's more options. I like composite characters. Also, Boshi costume for Brawl.

A Boshi Yoshi skin would be awesome, although a Croco skin would be super awesome!

Fair enough. As long as you acknowledge that he's actually pretty damn popular.

That's Waluigi's problem. A lot of people want him, but nobody would not buy the game if he didn't make it, or would flip out like some of us did when Mewtwo, Ridley, or Mega Man didn't make it in Brawl, or Wario, King Dedede, or Diddy Kong didn't make it in Melee. If Waluigi didn't make it, most Waluigi fans would be upset, but not seriously ticked off.

The only time I was ever as mad as I was when Mewtwo, Ridley, and Mega Man didn't make it in Brawl was when I took Vikadine painkillers that made me go crazy, nearly assault my family, cuss out my family, throw paper plates at my family, and bang my head against a wall. And then I woke up... in pain unaware of what happened. My family hadn't even seen me mad before, and all of a sudden I was raging because of... well... (legal) drugs... (my dumb wisdom teeth had to suck!)

I never said anything pertaining to the first. But yes, I know that there are fans who would love to play as him in Smash and that would be one of many reasons to play as him. The problem is, no one single character would apply for that. As long as fans want to play as him was the criteria. That one exists. They're in the ranges of 18-22.

Okay well if you want "real answers," you got to ask would they consider not buying any future smash bros. installments in Waluigi was not a playable character (hacks aside). I'm not doubting Waluigi would make them happy or they would love to play as him, but that really determines a characters' merit. Sonic definitely sold hundreds of thousands of copies of Brawl alone.

Sooo... you're got good prediction skills. Okay. I'm not sure that says you're going to be always be right. I do too, actually. I've gotten a 80% rate on a coin tosses before. Or was it 90%? But those are just rates, and we both know they aren't for sure anyway.

I can usually tell when something, like say a certain sports team is destined to win a championship, a person is about to get a good grade on a test, a candidate is destined to win a race for a political position, or a character get into smash bros. Of course, that may also be due to my deep understanding of human body language, and interpreting what a individual's body language means. That's actually how I formed most of my idea on Sakurai and his thought process, actually.

 

[Berserker.]

Words

Listen

All this **** doesn't matter. The fact still remains. Toad is important to the series and nintendo. Enough said

@arcanedik: You've shown only one game that might also be the main Toad, being Mario Kart. The rest have multiple Toads, thus, there's now way to tell them apart. Try again. BTW, the second there's more than one of Toad, the second we can't tell which one was the true one that we first played as.

SMB was considered Toad's debut. Face it. Even Sakurai says so.

SMG 1 and 2 showed in the manual that the Toad Brigade captain IS THE TOAD

SMS showed in the manual that red toad IS THE TOAD

Toad is the main star in Wario woods. It even said in the cover itself

Toad is THE Toad in LM 1 and 2. In fact, he has a bigger role

In NSMB, Toad is playable. It's just that he was "chopped in half". He was planned to be playable then there! It's just a different color. It's still Toad

Beserk going in!

I was too late

@Shorts:

 

[Oasis_S]

I have Toad on the brain now. I wonder what his alt costume would be. ...I don't even know why but I like thinking of his palette swaps the most.

HUUUARRRGH RETRO BAYBEE.

I still totally want a texture hack for this:

 

[Berserker.]

I have Toad on the brain now. I wonder what his alt costume would be. ...I don't even know why but I like thinking of his palette swaps the most.

HUUUARRRGH RETRO BAYBEE.

I still totally want a texture hack for this:

Purple Toad with yellow eyes

 

[Big-Cat]

Brawl trophy description.

Funny how the trophy mentions right after his peace loving nature about his super speed and strength.

 

[Berserker.]

Isn't Kirby peace loving? Lol.

Also.... the title here is funny

 

[SmashChu]

On the topic of me possibly supporting Ghirahim, it seems SmashChu (who has played Skyward Sword) does not think the character was done well. At the very least I think he looks more interesting than any non-Ganon antagonist yet in the Zelda series, however, that is not saying much.

For the record, all most all the Skyward Sword characters who aren't Zelda or Link don't work well. Most of the NPCs aren't designed well and a lot of the characters look and act stupid. Groose is really the worst though (though other people who played it hate Fi). Well see if Ghirahim makes the cut. I personally would like him even if the Zelda team is incompetent.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I have Toad on the brain now. I wonder what his alt costume would be. ...I don't even know why but I like thinking of his palette swaps the most.

HUUUARRRGH RETRO BAYBEE.

I still totally want a texture hack for this:

There's always the following recolor...

 

[Berserker.]

He needs BrawlBox or something to do that

 

[Arcadenik]

While we are on the topic of Toad recolors... here's my suggestions.

Playable Toad
"Default" Toad
Red Toad (Red Team) (aka Mushroom Retainer)
Blue Toad (Blue Team)
Green Toad (Green Team) (aka Banktoad)
Yellow Toad
Purple Toad (aka Mailtoad)
"Toadette" Toad
"Toadsworth" Toad

Peach and her Toad shield
"Default" Peach - Toadsworth (based on Super Mario Sunshine)
"Daisy" Peach - Toadette (based on the spin-offs)
"Pauline" Peach - "Super Mushroom" Toad (Red Team)
"Rosalina" Peach - "Mini Mushroom" Toad (Blue Team)
"NES Open Tournament Golf" Peach - "1-Up Mushroom" Toad (Green Team)
"Super Mario Bros." Peach - "Mega Mushroom" Toad (based on the "retro" theme)
"Shadow Queen" Peach - "Poison Mushroom" Toad (based on the "evil" theme)

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I honestly don't support Toad, but I still support him more than Waluigi.

 

[---]

...Ash is not Red. Ash was only based upon Red and is a horrible character. Please don't call them the same. It's fine if you compare them, but this is the topic of much ire.

I can't say how happy this makes me.

I honestly don't support Toad, but I still support him more than Waluigi.

I'm pretty sure that's all people are asking of you.



@Toads: Well I just took a quick look at the Melee dojo to get an idea of where to look for that quote, and all I can say is that it'll be quite a while before I will/if I find anything seeing as there's like 99 pages to go through.

I for one would rather just nag Johnknight or Toise for the link.

 

[ChronoBound]

For the record, all most all the Skyward Sword characters who aren't Zelda or Link don't work well. Most of the NPCs aren't designed well and a lot of the characters look and act stupid. Groose is really the worst though (though other people who played it hate Fi). Well see if Ghirahim makes the cut. I personally would like him even if the Zelda team is incompetent.

Ouch.

I concur with you though that if Ghirahim were to get in, Sakurai would probably make him an interesting character to play as. However, I personally am not convinced that Zelda needs any more characters than it currently has.

Also, if we already know Mario Kart 7's roster, then that would mean that the only game that they appeared in since Brawl's release was Mario Super Sluggers (released only a few months after Brawl). There is still the chance that K. Rool or Dixie Kong might show up in Fortune Street (of which we will probably know its full roster in half a month).

We also still do not have a final release date for Kid Icarus Uprising, which means its still in development. I personally think that development will finish in December (aside from debugging), and that Sakurai will begin development on Smash 4 in January. I think February or March is the latest that Sakurai will begin development on Smash 4.

It will then be interesting to see whether Sakurai will have enough of an idea of what he is doing to at least have a CGI teaser trailer prepared for E3 2012 (since Nintendo has practically nothing else to build up hype from avid gamers in regards to the Wii U). However, I can also understand a Smash 4 unveil not happening until E3 2013.

If we get four newcomers in a E3 2012 trailer, I guessing it would be:

Ridley or K. Rool
Palutena or Medusa
Mega Man
Some guy that is a total curve ball (see Ice Climbers and Zero Suit Samus)

 

[---]

^^That sounds about right. I do think though that Sakurai can at least put something together by E3 looking at the amount of time he has and how quickly Melee was done.


It's weird I've only looked at 1 page so far of the 99 and one question by a fan was to have Charizard playable, Sakurai then stated that he would consider it.

 

[Propeller Toad]

So now people are trying to find the best way to deconfirm Toad after deciding that he would be a good rep? I guess people really do not like the idea of him being playable.

 

[Deleted member]

@ChronoBound: K. Rool and Dixie are not happening in Fortune Street. The Japanese have already confirmed that there will be only twenty-six players overall and they have been all confirmed. So as much as I hate to say this, if K. Rool/Dixie Kong do not appeared in Smash 4, they're likely done for and could very well be retired completely. I feel as many other potential candidates will not get in if they are not playable in SSB4. The only likely exceptions are Starfy and Little Mac.

 

[Oasis_S]

@Toads: Well I just took a quick look at the Melee dojo to get an idea of where to look for that quote, and all I can say is that it'll be quite a while before I will/if I find anything seeing as there's like 99 pages to go through.

I for one would rather just nag Johnknight or Toise for the link.

Ctrl + F, Ctrl + F, Ctrl + F.

 

[Arcadenik]

So now people are trying to find the best way to deconfirm Toad after deciding that he would be a good rep? I guess people really do not like the idea of him being playable.

I think it is most likely because they feel that Waluigi/Bowser Jr./Geno/Paper Mario/etc. are threatened by Toad's growing popularity and gradually getting more and more prominent roles. Of course they are gonna look for Sakurai's decade-old "anti-Toad" statement and cling onto it for dear life!

 

[---]

So now people are trying to find the best way to deconfirm Toad after deciding that he would be a good rep? I guess people really do not like the idea of him being playable.

Well this is coming out of no where.

Look back a few pages, this was something that was brought up last night on something that would bring Toad down a bit. Whether or not it means anything is up to you we're looking for the quote in order to have a better discussion.

No one's hating on Toad just yet.


@Oasis: Thank you.

 

[Shorts]

I think it is most likely because they feel that Waluigi/Bowser Jr./Geno/Paper Mario/etc. are threatened by Toad's growing popularity and gradually getting more and more prominent roles. Of course they are gonna look for Sakurai's decade-old "anti-Toad" statement and cling onto it for dear life!

I'm so scared of Toad! ): You make it sound like people have a legitimate concern.

I find it funny that after like, thirty years Toad's popularity is "suddenley growing". It's never been small... and still hasn't gotten him in so far~

 

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Well I was able to quickly go through the 99 pages, and other than Toad appearing as a favorite move to use, I didn't find anything about Sakurai directly talking about him. So right now, as Oasis might say, I feel like I"M THE STRONGEST IN THE WORLD. lol

There was a few funny moments though, such as a fan saying Sakurai should get a raise, or he should marry some random fan.

I'll check the main part of the dojo later but for now I have class, later.