New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Aurane]

Eh whatever. At least we're discussion Sm4sh today... But in any case (Puts Sakurai cap on) Sm4sh will have the same format. Enough said.

@Kuma LOL Ok, man. I gtg put this in the world record books next to Brawl as the top fighting game in 2007/8.

 

[Berserker.]

It's an opinion so I guess we'll leave it like that.

For me it goes like this, SSBB > SSBM > SSB 64 imo.

Off for now

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

And look how most veteran players received that game.

A risk means you don't know the outcome. They didn't know the SSB system was going to be well received. They didn't know that things like random tripping, reduced hitstun, floatier physics, and slower gameplay were going to be received so negatively.

@asage
I know there are differences, but how many, can we say, are truly all that different from each other. There were more subtle changes, mostly for the worse, than there were major changes. SSB to Melee had subtle AND major changes such as a new attack, two new throws and a pummel, chargeable Smashes, and air dodging.

Since you brought up Project M, you can argue as to how different it is from either one. Project M Bowser is way different from his Melee or Brawl counterpart.

Yeah, but with your ideas, you're basically saying, "Hmmm... This formula is really successful. Guess we should scrap it for Street Fighter." It WON'T happen. Deal with it.

@Berserker: If I wanted those controls, I would PLAY Street Fighter. Not Smash.

 

[Aurane]

See, Idk why I keep coming back. I'm starting to see everyone comparing Smash 4 now. That or talking about other things. I'm gone again. I gtg work on my Victini trailer/blog...

 

[Metal Overlord]

64 is honestly my favorite of all the Smash games....

Although Melee is definitely a close second, and Brawl a close third.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I'm going. I gotta get this off my mind... Probably gonna go to Youtube and watch funny videos/listen to Smashing... Live!
Later.

 

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I'm starting to like 64 the best as there are no complaints about it.

@Poppy: Smashing Live? I love that, it was the first CD album I ever owned. Here's the Pokemon song for everyone.

 

[Big-Cat]

Yeah, but with your ideas, you're basically saying, "Hmmm... This formula is really successful. Guess we should scrap it for Street Fighter." It WON'T happen. Deal with it.

@Berserker: If I wanted those controls, I would PLAY Street Fighter. Not Smash.

No, I'm saying EXPAND on the current design. I'm not saying to turn it into other fighters.

I don't know what I have to do to get through your thick head, but if you actually try to visualize this stuff, the game doesn't turn into Street Fighter (since this and Marvel are the only ones I hear being referred to) at all. Did you miss the discussion I had for things like sample combos under my idea? It's not THAT radical, it adds a new dimension of play to the game and increases the diversity.

Now let me ask you this: Do you have any ideas for the next Smash that doesn't consist of more of the same?

And for me, it's Melee > 64 > Brawl, but I have become accustomed to air dodging.

 

[Metal Overlord]

To Kuma's defense here for a second, Sakurai did say he wanted some significant changes to the series with this new installment. And also, there's nothing wrong with changing up an established, successful formula a bit so long as there is valid reason for it and it not being change just for the sake of change.

This'll be the fourth installment in a VG series over a decade old. Change has to come sometime, whether it be considerable changes or smaller ones...

 

[Aurane]

Business trip! Forgot about that... I gtg to Elmira today and discuss Sm4sh Victini. God, so many things to do today, and literally no time to do it all...

@Kuma Listen, we all know what you want. But you probably (definatly) won't get it. I agree with --- to an extent. And I also agree with Poppy. Don't like the controls? Don't. Play. It. As simple as that. Do you like the controls? Don't fight them.

 

[Conviction]

For the ones degrading Kuma for having ideas, you are stupid.

This is speculation, any one of your ideas aren't any better than anyone elses. Want to know why? Because we don't even know anything about the game still.

Derp.

 

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To Kuma's defense here for a second, Sakurai did say he wanted some significant changes to the series with this new installment. And also, there's nothing wrong with changing up an established, successful formula a bit so long as there is valid reason for it and it not being change just for the sake of change.

This'll be the fourth installment in a VG series over a decade old. Change has to come sometime, whether it be considerable changes or smaller ones...

Good points, I can see them changing some things up. But if it's not broken (except for tripping) why fix it?

A good (best) example is the MM series when the 10th game in the series came out (MM6).

Also when did Sakurai state that? I'm curious and would like to look into that.

 

[Opelucid]

If we do get a Majora's Mask remake for the 3DS I think Young Link will end it coming back to replace Toon Link. But if Toon Link gets a new game shortly before Smash4 comes out I think he'll end up staying.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Don't like the controls? Don't. Play. It. As simple as that.

I think you're missing the point here, bro.

You could say that for just about any piece of entertainment out there. That's not going to help the series evolve and mature into something even better than it already is. I agree with Kuma here. Sure our established formula is great and I personally wouldn't mind if we sticked with it. But why be content for something good when we could have something great? All Kuma is doing is trying to think of ways to help make Smash even better than it is now, and taking inspirations from other games is certainly a great way to do it. There are a lot of great video game series that have done so, and all great ideas, all great thinkers have to start somewhere, you know? It may or may not happen, but in the end it's all just speculation. No need to villify him for it...

And this is all coming from a casual gamer, mind you.

 

[Deleted member]

Day Eleven with Mega Man and Jigglypuff up! Those who are interested in getting Mega Man and Jigglypuff onto the roster (or vice versa) can vote here!

And while I do think SSBM is the best in the series, I prefer the original. Perhaps because of the art style?

 

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Well this disscusion is going no where.

Adding a little more depth to a game isn't bad, but changing the overall core gameplay is bad. I think we can all agree on that.

Ex. MM series. Each game had slight differences that made each entry different from the last:

MM2: 2 diffculties, E-Tanks
MM3: The lenght of the game and returning RMs, Rush the Dog,
MM4: The Mega Buster, and hidden items
MM5: 9 RMs, an improved Mega Buster, Beat the Bird,
MMIV: Shoping for items
MMV: Mega Arm, Stardroids, Tango the Cat,
MM6: Rush Adaptors
ect

And keep in mind these games were all released within less than 10 years.

Each entry was different from the last, so as Shortie said, SSB4 will be different from the rest but the core gameplay will not change.

Anyway I'm off to lunch. Later.

 

[Metal Overlord]

No one wants to comment on my philosophical post up there?

 

[Deleted member]

No one wants to comment on my philosophical post up there?

Having read it, I do agree. Changing the fundamental gameplay is a horrible idea, but each Smash game has a different feel from the previous one and I want this to feel like a brand new game instead of just a "sequel".

 

[Conviction]

God forbid, someone where to tell them that Sakurai bought a book of Street Fighter Frame Data so he could compare to Smash.

 

[Big-Cat]

Lol, I completely forgot about that. You'd think I'd remember that. Here's the pic in question for those of you that forgot.
http://twitpic.com/5zqsvd

 

[ChronoBound]

KumaOso is absolutely despicable for hurling personal insults at me when I am no longer even frequenting this forum. However, this is to be expected from him, especially when people have negative opinions regarding the goddess of furries.

 

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Well it's nice to see we all finally reached an agreement.

Lol, I completely forgot about that. You'd think I'd remember that. Here's the pic in question for those of you that forgot.
http://twitpic.com/5zqsvd

Sakurai sure loves his cat.

And the SF hitbox pics, it'll be interesting to see what he was looking at them for.

 

[Big-Cat]

KumaOso is absolutely despicable for hurling personal insults at me when I am no longer even frequenting this forum. However, this is to be expected from him, especially when people have negative opinions regarding the goddess of furries.

You weren't around we were suggesting people to prank then.

I swear, you, Chu, and Toise gotta be the super serious ones. Lighten up, will ya? It's not like we're discussing the fate of the world or anything. And for goodness sake, it's not like I'm throwing a racial slur at you. I'm just having fun.

 

[augustoflores]

hmmm... seems like no one cares (nor is curious about) that there will be a brand new Zelda title on the 3DS before Majora's Mask remake comes in. I mean this title could very well be what the art style for the zeldas will be instead of Skyward Sword.

a while back, someone mentioned the art style. i have mentioned this in the past but to deaf ears (blind eyes?). I had wanted all of the characters to look as if when entering this amalgamized world to all of them to have a similar art style, i brought up mario's overalls and toon links pseudo toon art style. i'm tired so i won't get back into that.

a while back, the same person mentioned holograms and AR cards... in this thread's predecessor, i offered that the characters could be holograms... sigh, deaf ears and under the rug specs...

someone responded to this poster's hologram idea and added that it could replace the trophies... DAMN IT!! that's all me... from the previous thread!! in lieu of the characters themselves being holograms, i stated that the trophies would be animated holograms on a projection field... sigh... c'est la vie.

sitrus berries in a tree on a platform would be nice for pokemon instead of potions... i prefer consumable healables over a spray to heal all wounds. on that note, instead of vulnerary, how about a standby healing character that heals your character when you press A while near them.... some text comes up with character art in the fashion of the usual fire emblem dialog moments. but i digress...

there was something else i wanted to talk about, but i cannot seem to remember...

i really don't get why Sakurai has shyed away from alt costumes. I'm thinking of Mario's various power ups as alt costumes, yarn kirby, young link, retro and werehog sonic. I think it'd be a nice touch.

no to yarn kirby... what will samus absorbed yarn kirby look like? no to retro and werehog sonic... werehog sonic is too big and classic sonic is either too similar or too small.

 

[ChronoBound]

You weren't around we were suggesting people to prank then.

I swear, you, Chu, and Toise gotta be the super serious ones. Lighten up, will ya? It's not like we're discussing the fate of the world or anything. And for goodness sake, it's not like I'm throwing a racial slur at you. I'm just having fun.

This is coming from the guy who gets bent out of shape when people say that Krystal is a horrible character or even that Krystal should not be in Smash 4.

You are plenty serious business yourself too.

However, I make no lie that I joke around little when I discussing Smash 4.

Also, I notice how you also come down hard on Chu and Toise for "serious business". I also notice that both of those posters had strong arguments against Krystal too. Like I mentioned earlier, you are "serious business" too whenever someone brings up your Krystal.

There has been very little to discuss in regards to characters for Smash 4, which is one of the reasons why I have taken a hiatus from Smash 4 speculation.

 

[augustoflores]

There has been very little to discuss in regards to characters for Smash 4, which is one of the reasons why I have taken a hiatus from Smash 4 speculation.

so... you only like to speculate on characters?

 

[Big-Cat]

This guy willingly writes essays on this kind of stuff. Remember when he mentioned he had a 50 page document in the works? I don't know how anyone can write that much for just character speculation, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

 

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Krystal arguments? Hmm I'd like to hear more about that.

@Augustoflores: A new Zelda's great and all, but I doubt it'll have any effect on SSB4 unless it's announced before early development begins.

 

[ChronoBound]

so... you only like to speculate on characters?

Yes. I was really happy with all the new features added with Brawl, and the new stages that were added for Melee and Brawl were mostly great. At this point, there are only a few characters left that I want to see playable in Smash 4. I really liked Brawl, and personally found it better than Melee. However, I personally prefer the faster paced nature of Melee, though I am not a competitive player. There were also a few characters and stages from Melee that I really liked that did not return in Brawl. Other than that, I consider Brawl to be the best Smash Bros. game yet.

 

[augustoflores]

@Augustoflores: A new Zelda's great and all, but I doubt it'll have any effect on SSB4 unless it's announced before early development begins.

technically... it's already announced.

We are already preparing a new game, a game in the series for the Nintendo 3DS, but don’t think that it is a direct sequel to the Zelda titles released on DS. We are talking about a new game, but it takes much of what has been done on previous consoles.

 

[Big-Cat]

All I really argue for Krystal now-a-days is that she can contribute with something new to the game. However, people like Chrono look at the character in terms of arbitrary aspects. Do I think Krystal is at least a somewhat bland character? Yes. Do I think she primarily serves as Fox's love interest? Yes, but neither of those really bother me as Starfox has never been very strong in terms of character development. It's just enough to give you an idea of the character.

That being said, I don't bring those kind of things into arguments anymore because that's all easily fueled by individual opinion which is about the equivalent of discussion the accuracy of religion meaning it goes no where.

 

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technically... it's already announced.

Touche Augustoflores. Touche.

Anyway, for now I still doubt it'll have a large effect on SSB4.

 

[ChronoBound]

Touche Augustoflores. Touche.

Anyway, for now I still doubt it'll have a large effect on SSB4.

I think the most recent Zelda that will have a large effect on Smash 4's content will be Skyward Sword. Zelda 3DS might also have an influence depending on when its released. Phantom Hourglass was released only a few months (July 2007 in Japan) before Brawl's planned release (December 2007), and all it got was a few stickers. If Smash 4 is released in late 2014, and Zelda 3DS is released in late 2013, I think we will probably get a couple of stickers, maybe a trophy or two, and perhaps a remix of a track from that game.

 

[Deleted member]

@ChronoBound: I believe I linked to something earlier like this, but it looks as Ghirahim may be a Zant due to the Imprisoner's involvement.

I believe Zelda 3DS is Majora's Mask, so depending on release and if no Toon games are announced by Smash 4 release, there is a good chance we'll see Young Link over Toon Link.

 

[ChronoBound]

I personally think all the characters that Zelda needs are the characters it currently has. If Zelda absolutely does need more content, in can get more in the way of stages, items, and Assist Trophies. Mario on the otherhand has three good choices for a newcomer. Really, I think Mario and Pokemon are in a league above Zelda (they had more slots than Zelda did in Smash 64). I think though that Donkey Kong is in the same league as Zelda and that it deserves four slots (though on the topic of it actually getting four characters, I am doubting it).

 

[nLiM8d]

Never thought I'd see the day when Toise would post here, keeps it real as usaul

Kinda like that folks such as Chronobound show up every now and again as well

 

[Deleted member]

I personally think all the characters that Zelda needs are the characters it currently has. If Zelda absolutely does need more content, in can get more in the way of stages, items, and Assist Trophies. Mario on the otherhand has three good choices for a newcomer. Really, I think Mario and Pokemon are in a league above Zelda (they had more slots than Zelda did in Smash 64). I think though that Donkey Kong is in the same league as Zelda and that it deserves four slots (though on the topic of it actually getting four characters, I am doubting it).

Technically, if you look at playable representation in Brawl, Pokemon has the most reps despite suffering two cuts. Since Sakurai does include transformation when including characters, I'm thinking that Sakurai won't hesitate to add a fifth slot for Mario/Pokemon even if Zelda and Mario/Pokemon do not get another rep.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

What SSBF said. Also, the Zelda series may get one more character, but we don't know.

Almost any series except perhaps 3rd Party has a fair chance of getting another character. ...Except Pikmin and R.O.B. The Olimar and Pikmin moveset was probably pretty difficult to make, so trying to make one for Louie...

I wouldn't rule any series except what I said out. Actually, R.O.B. is pretty much the only one that doesn't have a second possible character, clone or otherwise. So that's pretty much it. Everybody else is possible.

 

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Actually, R.O.B. is pretty much the only one that doesn't have a second possible character, clone or otherwise. So that's pretty much it. Everybody else is possible.

"cough...Professor Hector...cough."

 

[Big-Cat]

That reminds me. One thing I came to be a bit irritated with Olimar was that his Pikmin pulling was completely random, even if certain terrain had higher probability for certain Pikmin. Should this be changed to something more controlled but balanced (like yellow Pikmin endure half the damage of electric attacks instead of total immunity) or should it stay the same.

I think it needs to be changed to something more controlled as Olimar is a strategic character at heart so making his strategy "random" (and I don't mean mixups) is a little confusing.