New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Kantrip]

For some reason your avatar reminds me of the monks from Conker's Bad Fur Day, Smooth Criminal.

It's a shame that's both M Rated and a Rare IP, because Conker would be boss in a fighting game.

 

[Berserker.]

Since when was speculation objective?

Argh... Anyway, I'm going back to watching more Dormammu, Chris and Arthur videos.

 

[Shorts]

Falcon is the god of speculation/debate.

I lose. I'll go do some research now...

 

[Kantrip]

Also, on the topic of Pokémon Trainer:

The unfortunate thing about the switching mechanic is that the time varies depends on the buffering of the game at the time of transformation. The switch will be significantly faster if there is already a Pokémon in the battle that is the one being switched to. In some cases the move can be punished when it shouldn't have if the switch happened faster. This adds a factor of randomness to the PT's switching mechanic, as small as it may be.

I liked Stamina, it encouraged you to learn the full character in order to play at the top potential. It's similar to Diddy Kong and his bananas. You can ignore Stamina, just as much as you can choose never to use bananas. It may hurt you overall (and in both cases it makes it harder to get a KO), but in the end it was your choice not to learn how to play your character to its fullest.

Forced switch on death just further encourages this, kind of like how when you play as ZSS or switch to her via the taunt trick as Samus, the armour pieces spawn automatically.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Doesn't the forced switch ALSO replenish your Stamina? I admit, it does actually punish you for not switching. Which I agree is a flaw.

On the other hand, it's as you said, something you should work with. It's no different from playing both Zelda and Sheik as your main. You have to take the time to know both characters, and work with it.

My only problem with the Samus / ZSS thing is that you can't switch back to Samus outside of a match reset OR a Smash Ball. Otherwise, I liked it. Admittably, I prefer regular Samus(and not because of Fanservice. I like her moves better)

Anyway, every character(or transformations) has their own strengths and weaknesses. Whether or not you're forced to depend on particular ones just makes playing that character more interesting in the longrun. Outside of MK, I don't think anybody can really win every single tourney with only one character.(mind you, that's with perfect playing) So yeah, I like being forced to try more than one character.

I would prefer the Stamina removed in SSB4, as I expect PT to be back with a Gen 3 set.(and of course, maybe having Leaf as the character instead) However, if it's not? I won't fret about it. It was still made with good intent regardless. Which is fine by me.

I cannot see how the intent on Tripping was good, however.

 

[Kantrip]

Actually, I think many top tiers can win tournaments without secondaries. Any character without hard counters, really.

Soft counters CAN be beaten at high level play.

 

[Berserker.]

WTF

Meta knights going around my mouse cursor

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yeah, but not as consistently as Meta Knight. It's possible, but they all have bad matchups, and can lose. Also, these Meta Knights are only annoying because of graphic glitches on my screen.

 

[Berserker.]

I'm fine with it and I agree with Kantrip.

It seems like one of our friends have a dark purple username........

 

[Kantrip]

It's a Halloween thing.

I got bitten by the meta-bat or something

 

[Berserker.]

Meta-vamp?

@Tourney stuff: Since MK is banned, that makes Diddy #1 technically.....

VOTE SNAKE FOR #1

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Heh. Well, this is more odd because it's my Birthday. *shrug*

Anyway, only character I'd replace is Lucario with a 5th Gen rep. And PT using 3rd Gen Pokemon. That'd be perfect. I love Mewtwo and all, but he doesn't NEED to return. But if six slots, what I said plus Pichu and Lucario. I'd rather all 5 gens repped than he come back. (or a new 2nd Gen rep that isn't pretty much doomed to be a clone, even more than Toon Link would be)

Overall:

Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Pokemon Trainer(3rd Gen, as Leaf/Ruby)
Lucario
2nd Gen non-clone
5th Gen

And yes, if one of the original 12 can be removed, I'd only say Jigglypuff. If to get more different Pokemon in general. I loved all the characters(except Meta Knight, personally), but even then, there hasn't been a bad choice in SSB for playable so far, IMO.

 

[Berserker.]

Ahhh screw it

I haven't touched the Snake boards in a while. Also my guide but it seems nearly complete/complete.

 

[Shorts]

These Meta Knights are making it hard to click things. SO over this.

@ Zelda / Sheik stuff. Yeah no. You don't HAVE to switch between them. You can, it's a good idea at high level play, BUT you don't have to. Pokemon Trainer, you have to. Problem. It's just a problem. Not everyone wants to be all three.

I still think Java's idea of every Poke gets a trainer option, and my idea of six slots is a good idea.

Trainers: Red, Leaf, Lucas, Dawn, Black, White

Pokemon: Pika, Jiggs, Mewtwo, Charizard, Lucario, 5th Gen

Everyone has the choice to have their "correct" Trainer, or not. you choose. I would totally be a Leaf/Charizard combo.

 

[Berserker.]

Some people just play as ONE pokemon against ONE character in tourneys. Usually, it's the pokemon who can easily deal with the enemy is the one chosen. The problem is once the pokemon is KO'd, PT will automatically switch and then you'll have 2 options: Stay with the pokemon that PT will throw out and maybe have a harder time in the match up OR change back to the pokemon you used at the start of the match and get punished badly. I think that's what Shortie wanted to say and I agree BUT I'm not on board with the idea of removing PT. I'd prefer Java's idea which Shortie agrees with

 

[Kantrip]

You could always go to a stage that allows you to zero switch.

A majority of the starters allow this consistently, so you can be any one pokemon for game one. These include smashville.

 

[Berserker.]

*Bangs head on the table*

I never fought a PT in my liiiiiife (I meant rarely I guess ). WTF.

Although I heard of Zero switching, I don't know much about it sooo.....

 

[Shorts]

Well, Berserker is right, I do mean that... but I also mean what I said... being forced to be a character you don't like, is stupid. What is even more stupid is not being that character you DO like, because you don't like how the other two play. I'm not talking just competitive, I mean in general. Although Berserker did hit the nail on the head with the punishment. I just want to be who I want. :l This is coming from someone who likes to play strictly as Zelda(In Brawl) and Charizard, so there. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels deterred by the trio.


Didn't project M seperate them? I swear they did.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Some people just play as ONE pokemon against ONE character in tourneys. Usually, it's the pokemon who can easily deal with the enemy is the one chosen. The problem is once the pokemon is KO'd, PT will automatically switch and then you'll have 2 options: Stay with the pokemon that PT will throw out and maybe have a harder time in the match up OR change back to the pokemon you used at the start of the match and get punished badly. I think that's what Shortie wanted to say and I agree BUT I'm not on board with the idea of removing PT. I'd prefer Java's idea which Shortie agrees with

I know what he meant.

But the whole character was intended to be 3-in-1. Not just 1 choice. When you play PT, you need to be prepared with all 3 aspects of the character. It's true that you can find a way to switch to one, but that's not always an option. If you don't practice all 3, you'll be in trouble.

But this is a character weakness that's important to understand. It's an aspect of the character overall. Just like if you change into ZSS, you know you can't change back into regular Samus. Now, of course, unless you main both, this won't really be an issue. Likewise, if you're playing Zelda, you may want to practice Sheik, as that's part of the overall character slot. They were designed to be usable together.

Overall, when it comes to a single slot, any characters under there were clearly meant to be playable together overall.

Don't get me wrong, I do plan to try out some hacks that take away a lot of these problems. I have no problem with playing with that stuff removed. But pretending it's not there as if it was a bad thing indefinitely is silly. Every character(except Meta Knight) has strengths and weaknesses. You gotta put up with them and cover them too. Also, I wouldn't call using 3 different characters in one a weakness overall. You can change according to the match up. That's actually pretty neat to have that choice.

 

[Kantrip]

For zelda and sheik it's a boon, as they can transform when they want to and only when they want to. Strength in numbers motto applies here.

PT DOES force you to switch upon death, which ruins the chance of it being beneficial. It adapts the slogan only as strong as your weakest ivysaur member.

 

[Oasis_S]

I bet Petey would be SOOO much better if Brawl could have handled switching between Pokemon faster. I do hate the stamina though. I mean, shouldn't the forced switch upon KO be enough?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@Kantrip: But it does force a playstyle in a way. I don't think it's really bad, though. I love the idea of multiple characters in one.

@Oasis: I do agree with the Stamina being annoying. Also, I don't believe it applies in the SSE.

Moving on, it's like I said earlier with my picks. I don't want to have 3 gen 1 characters. Honestly, Melee shoudl've had Pichu and a 3rd Gen. Wait, was 3rd Gen out by then? Alternatively, they could've had two second Gen characters.

 

[Kantrip]

Lol petey as in PT not petey piranha.

 

[Oasis_S]

Moving on, it's like I said earlier with my picks. I don't want to have 3 gen 1 characters. Honestly, Melee shoudl've had Pichu and a 3rd Gen. Wait, was 3rd Gen out by then?

No, Rare was still busy making it.

GEEZ, HyperFalcon. Of all people, I'd expect YOU to have done some research.

 

[Berserker.]

Didn't project M seperate them? I swear they did.

I think so. I'll check

I know what he meant.

But the whole character was intended to be 3-in-1. Not just 1 choice. When you play PT, you need to be prepared with all 3 aspects of the character. It's true that you can find a way to switch to one, but that's not always an option. If you don't practice all 3, you'll be in trouble.

But this is a character weakness that's important to understand. It's an aspect of the character overall. Just like if you change into ZSS, you know you can't change back into regular Samus. Now, of course, unless you main both, this won't really be an issue. Likewise, if you're playing Zelda, you may want to practice Sheik, as that's part of the overall character slot. They were designed to be usable together.

Overall, when it comes to a single slot, any characters under there were clearly meant to be playable together overall.

Don't get me wrong, I do plan to try out some hacks that take away a lot of these problems. I have no problem with playing with that stuff removed. But pretending it's not there as if it was a bad thing indefinitely is silly. Every character(except Meta Knight) has strengths and weaknesses. You gotta put up with them and cover them too. Also, I wouldn't call using 3 different characters in one a weakness overall. You can change according to the match up. That's actually pretty neat to have that choice.

He said he dislikes the 2 pokemons (Or something like that). PLUS, you can't do anything about it.

If he doesn't wanna play as them then fine. Leave him be. It's his PERSONAL preference and his opinion. Don't try changing his preference/opinion. He can play PT differently if he wants to despite the difficulty/handicap.

Oh btw, I agree though that we need to master all 3 of them.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

He said he dislikes the 2 pokemons (Or something like that). PLUS, you can't do anything about it.

If he doesn't wanna play as them then fine. Leave him be. It's his PERSONAL preference and his opinion. Don't try changing his preference/opinion. He can play PT differently if he wants to despite the difficulty/handicap.

Oh btw, I agree though that we need to master all 3 of them.

I didn't say his opinion was wrong. There's just no way to change it in regular play. Hating on a concept that makes logical sense seems silly. But eh.

And yes. You can't just play favorites in this case. You can with any other character, but not this one.

@Oasis: Heh.

 

[Berserker.]

Falcon, do some research about something

 

[Kantrip]

What did HF say to start this research nonsense?

 

[Shorts]

And yes. You can't just play favorites in this case. You can with any other character, but not this one.

That's why it's stupid. Smash is about playing as your favorite character, and the way they set PT up at it's core is going against the very reason to buy the freaking game.

Also, I'm watching Princess Mononoke for the first time, I love Miyazaki movies~

 

[Berserker.]

Cause Rare totally didn't make the StarFox franchise. Do some research.

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[Kantrip]

Oh, okay.

HF, your new name is HF. Which stands for holy ****









Wait, Rare made starfox?

 

[Oasis_S]

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Unfortunately he was being sarcastic, so it's easy to think he was just stating a fact. BUT IN CONTEXT he was being a huge silly goose.

 

[Berserker.]

@Crimson:

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[Kantrip]

I know, I was joking.

I know what Rare made.

At least, back when they were good.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Oh, my bad on the RARE thing. Anyway, they did make Adventures... huh.

I can't help but associate them with it. Also, now that I think about it, didn't they make Krystal too? Which would mean that in order for her to get in, they need RARE's permission, unless Nintendo has the rights to her. Which I think they do, but I can't say that for sure.

 

[Oasis_S]

They made Diddy Kong too, y'know.

 

[Berserker.]

I miss Rare when they worked for nintendo

Would you guys consider 007 an iconic character in video games?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@Oasis: I'm pretty sure Nintendo either made Diddy or bought the rights to him and a good chunk of Kong's(although DK64 might've been the exception to this rule, but eh).

@Berzerker: Not to me. I mean, the game was awesome, but he really shined in the movies more to me.

 

[Kantrip]

Nintendo owns the DK franchise and its affiliated characters.

Rare owns the characters of Diddy Kong Racing (besides Diddy) and basically all of their unique IPs.

 

[Shorts]

Nintendo hs rights to all the SFA stuff and the Kongs. Even Lanky.