New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Aurane]

You guys are KILLING me -_- But either way, let me wrap up what I think would happen:

Toad: Be similar to Mario, but along the same routes as Ness.
Paper Mario: Very similar or clone to Mario.
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Love it, but I think Centrian seems overpowered. Is he as fast as he is in Pit's FS?

 

[Zap tackle]

Toad needs to be more "shroomier" (in terms of moveset). He is an anthromorphic mushroom, so I'd expect him to get some mushroom based moves as the Smash characters generally have moves based on their properties. Also why waste the potential of the Propeller Cap (it was made for Smash!)? :D

@asage:

So Peach is similar to Mario? I'm pretty sure Toad can get to being as unique as Peach is to Mario in the Smash games.

 

[Berserker.]

Or maybe even this moveset: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12843555&postcount=2

 

[Aurane]

I support Toad, don't get me wrong. But I like the Mario series the way it is even if Toad is excluded. Plus I would make a comic on Toad taking 4 generations to get into SSB4 if it happens

 

[Berserker.]

Then join our group: http://www.smashboards.com/group.php?groupid=2597

 

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Genius and in-depth. Well done again.

Thank You.

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Love it, but I think Centrian seems overpowered. Is he as fast as he is in Pit's FS?

I thought it would be a major spacing move. And over all I thought it wouldn't be that hard to dodge them.

They have major start up lag.
Home in and only move in 1 direction.
And can be attacked.
Only 2 at once on the screen, so they have to leave the screen before you can reuse the move again.

Personally I thought that would balance out. But what I'm really worried about is her D-Special...

 

[Zap tackle]

We need more discussions there, so the more the merrier (in the Toad Brigade Alliance)...

 

[Aurane]

Then join our group: http://www.smashboards.com/group.php?groupid=2597

Sure why not?

Speaking of such, I wonder if I should make an essay on Victini so I can stop mooching off SSBF's Lol

 

[Berserker.]

You don't need 2 essays you know

 

[Aurane]

You don't need 2 essays you know

I need to make my own. Maybe I'll use SSBF's, but I gtg ask him first. I have a Victini blog in the Blog section now (Derp), so I want it to gather attention and perhaps more supporters, which is crystal gold.

 

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Hmm, after relooking at my moveset, I think I borrowed from MvC a lot more than I thought.

I see a lot of Captain America in her moves.

 

[Deleted member]

Sure why not?

Speaking of such, I wonder if I should make an essay on Victini so I can stop mooching off SSBF's Lol

If you want help with the essay, I can provide it.

And I need to visit the Toad Bridgade more often.

 

[Aurane]

American God of Light? XD

@SSBF That would be awesome. Can u tell me what I should include? Because I know I need one, but I have no idea what I should include I know, obviously, why you should choose him, but there's more then that.

 

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Then join our group: http://www.smashboards.com/group.php?groupid=2597

I might as well, so far it's the only active character alliance I can think of.

American God of Light? XD

I was thinking of the Statue of Liberty but whatever.

You just love the all American characters don't ya?

 

[Aurane]

I was thinking of the Statue of Liberty but whatever.

You just love the all American characters Cheese don't ya?

How did you know?!

 

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How did you know?!

What can I say? It just came to me. Although I prefer Cheddar myself.

Sorry, I was just poking fun at your love of Victini.

 

[Aurane]

What can I say? It just came to me. Although I prefer Cheddar myself.

Sorry, I was just poking fun at your love of Victini.

Chedder is OK, goes great on Burgers

But, yeah. Victini is awesome. He's as awesome as America
If anyone wants to learn a few things about Victini, click my Banner Sig to go to my blog, then look under fun facts. You'll find out alot of things that are interested.

 

[Berserker.]

Active discussions and conversations in the group. Yay :D

 

[Deleted member]

Chedder is OK, goes great on Burgers

But, yeah. Victini is awesome. He's as awesome as America
If anyone wants to learn a few things about Victini, click my Banner Sig to go to my blog, then look under fun facts. You'll find out alot of things that are interested.

I'll look at it in depth tomorrow and see what I can give.

 

[Aurane]

I'll look at it in depth tomorrow and see what I can give.

I added Fun Facts, Music/Stage, and Weight/Speed Charts. It's looking up so far.

I'm off to bed. Hopefully, I'll have my Color Swap for Victini done, and Jolteon's moveset completed. Night all.

 

[Shorts]

Pokemon is not a gamble. Not really, at all. Adding Golden Sun/F-Zero/Retro characters are a gamble. Regaurdless of what popular Pokemon you put in, the fanbase will eat it up. The fanbase may not be so keen to Goroh or (contrary to popular belief) Duck Hunt Dog.

Perfect Poke roster: Six slots, no trainer.

 

[Aurane]

Pokemon is not a gamble. Not really, at all. Adding Golden Sun/F-Zero/Retro characters are a gamble. Regaurdless of what popular Pokemon you put in, the fanbase will eat it up. The fanbase may not be so keen to Goroh or (contrary to popular belief) Duck Hunt Dog.

Perfect Poke roster: Six slots, no trainer.

There are 648 Pokemon to choose from. Yes, it is a gamble. Pokemon fanbase is a little deeper then u think it is Neways I'll prove this tomarrow. I'm tired XD

 

[Berserker.]

Neways? Anyways right?

I don't know much about Pokemon (Then again) soooo..... *Runs off*

 

[Oasis_S]

There are 648 Pokemon to choose from. Yes, it is a gamble. Pokemon fanbase is a little deeper then u think it is Neways I'll prove this tomarrow. I'm tired XD

Yeah Shorts. Do some research.

Spoiler

Okay, I have a problem. I cannot stop saying that.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Did I honestly start a meme? Awesome.

Also, adding any characters can be a gamble with the fanbase. Everybody's different. Not everybody likes every choice. Some may be a shoe-in, as in an easy choice. This does not guarantee perfect reception.

 

[Deleted member]

How do I sign up for NeoGAF? I'm trying to do it, but it won't accept Hotmail/Yahoo or free email addresses in general.

 

[Shorts]

Yeah Shorts. Do some research.

Spoiler

Okay, I have a problem. I cannot stop saying that.

Asage, I think you think everyone is slightly ******** or something, because you point out the most obvious things. Mewtwo, Victini, Zoroark, Genesect, Deoxys, Meowth, Meloetta, Pichu. All Pokemon choices, none are gambles. Why would you think I'm implying ALL POKEMOANZ ARE GOOD CHOICES? I'm not stupid.

Do some research.

Also, adding any characters can be a gamble with the fanbase. Everybody's different. Not everybody likes every choice. Some may be a shoe-in, as in an easy choice. This does not guarantee perfect reception.

No, it's not. Very few characters (We bring up) are gambles, at all. Adding Micaiah, Ashley, or Ray MK is not going to stop anyone from buying the game. I MEAN SURE, there may be some exremeists who won't buy a Waluigi Smash, but most will. EVEN I would. And I hate him. Really, the gamble comes with how well the game is made.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

How do I sign up for NeoGAF?

doh-ho-ho


Always bothers me to see Shorts get the WarioWare part wrong. You ever finish Rondo of Blood?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

No, it's not. Very few characters (We bring up) are gambles, at all. Adding Micaiah, Ashley, or Ray MK is not going to stop anyone from buying the game. I MEAN SURE, there may be some exremeists who won't buy a Waluigi Smash, but most will. EVEN I would. And I hate him. Really, the gamble comes with how well the game is made.

This is incorrect. I've seen people avoid games because so and so character is in it. Not everybody actually will play anything that is put out. They aren't guaranteed to get it. Likewise, considering how many people think Cloud in Smash is beyond stupid, what makes a guarantee they would pick it up in that situation? There is none. You're making a blanket statement AGAIN, acting like things are objective. No matter what they choose, somebody won't like it, and somebody will make a bad decision based upon it. That's how the world actually works. People do not think things through.

I know people who actively avoid the game because Sonic and Snake are in it. They have refused to play it because of it. Even if it's one person, it means that yes, some won't play a game because of a feature/character/whatever. It's, as I said, a bad decision, but it does happen. Not everybody will play every "good" game for whatever reason. That's just life.

And how well the game is made only helps things. Sonic 2006 was made subjectively worse than Sonic Unleashed. Yet some people like it more. Why? Because that's how opinions work. Some have avoided Unleashed due to the Werehog, but 2006 doesn't have that. It doesn't have two Sonics and a "meh"(subjectively) gimmick. That's pretty much how player preference and decisions work. A bad review can easily turn a person away, just as a bad character(to them).

 

[Drclaw411]

Perfect Poke roster: Six slots, no trainer.

I have to disagree. The trainer is the main character.

 

[Shorts]

Falcon, you're thinking too hard. BIG PICTURE, the game will still make money. Four people out of the forty you know who play smash isn't really much. YOU'RE putting too much thought into the minority. I also like how all your examples were third party characters. How many people do you know who didn't buy Brawl because of a character? How many do you know who bought brawl regaurdless? Yes. I may be generalizing, but at least I'm not maginifying a MINIMAL part of the fanbase. The game is going to make money if the choices are smart ENOUGH. End of story.

My point is, the game is going to make money even if Tingle or Krystal is in the game. If you don't believe that, you're crazy.


@Toise What did I do now? The Ashley thing? I prefer her over Mona. I know nothing about WarioWare/Land. I just like her character Design. So, MEEP. Honestly, I don't care which Wario character gets in. Mona, Syrup, or Ashley. They're all cool to me.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@Shortie: And the generalization is bad regardless. It doesn't matter if they're the minority. Every character outside of the main character of the biggest franchises is an immediate gamble. And even those are too. Big picture does not make the small picture any less significant. They're all significant. One may be lesser than another, but all opinions count.

Also, I like Pokemon Trainer. He was a cool concept, which we need more of. I played as Squirtle and Ivysaur the most myself. Charizard didn't feel that great to me. And I usually like big and powerful characters.

 

[Shorts]

@Shortie: And the generalization is bad regardless. It doesn't matter if they're the minority. Every character outside of the main character of the biggest franchises is an immediate gamble. And even those are too. Big picture does not make the small picture any less significant. They're all significant. One may be lesser than another, but all opinions count.

Little Mac!?

I'm never playing SSB4. REFUSE.

Pokemon Trainer is cool in concept, but he was executed poorly. For the reason you pointed out. You don't like playing as X, only Y. I only like Charizard, but because I'm forced to be Squirt and Ivy, I don't play as him. Pokemon Trainer is the only character that forces you to be characters you don't like. Not a good thing.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yes, even Little Mac. Not everybody has heard of him or played his game. Thus, not everyone would know. Outside of a select few characters, any can be obscure to someone. I know people who know zip about the Legend of Zelda. Some even think Link's name is Zelda. As I said, it's basically a gamble because reception isn't going to be objectively good.

No, I had no problem whatsoever with the auto switch. The Pokemon tiring out never even affected me, actually. And hold on: That's character YOU don't like. Some people like all of them and like to play as all of them. I like Charizard the least of the three, but I still like him. He's not my top favorite.

You're once again saying your opinion as fact. Could you please stop doing that? I thought the concept was actually made correctly. It just didn't turn out reception-wise as perfect. The point is to play as them all. Which succeeded. I see no problem in having variety whatsoever. The intent was fine. What the problem was is that the tiring out was annoying. The real problem is that some people would rather practice with one total character, which isn't directly the same as not liking a character. Trying to play as three characters is harder than one. Plain and simple.

 

[Shorts]

Minority groups must be cared for over the majority.

Not everyone knows Little Mac = no one buying the game.

Pokemon Trainer is good because it forces you to be something you don't want to be.

HyperFalcon, you are god.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

That's one reason they wouldn't have heard of it. Others because they literally have no idea who he is. Even some players haven't heard of everyone. Likewise, he's not even close to the same status as Mario, Sonic, Link, or Cloud.

Once again, that was clearly Sakura's goal with Pokemon Trainer. To be a diverse character and to play as everyone. You're not looking at the full points. Just only applying your own. He's not a perfect character, but like any character, can be both good or bad., not one or the other.

As I said, stop saying your opinion is fact. It's not.

Your first sentence is correct. They should try to appeal as much as possible to everybody. It's not 100% possible, but there's no reason they can't try.

 

[Kantrip]

For simplicity's sake, assume every post has an invisible "in my opinion" in it.

It's a speculation thread, after all.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Shortie's points > HyperFalcon's.

Also, what Kantrip said.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Shorts]

As I said, stop saying your opinion is fact. It's not.

Pokemon Trainer is flawed: Fact

Three characters in one. You have to be them all. No pick and choose.
That Stamina crap.
The switch time.

FACTS.

He's not flawed like Ganon. He's flawed by design. By the idea of Pokemon Trainer. PT at it's core has a flaw. Unless they fix the stuff above, he will always be flawed by concept. Ganon can get new moves, Trainer needs to be fixed at the most basic form.

My OPINION? He should leave.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Agreed heavily, Kantrip. He's just not making it seem that way, or atleast not saying he means it's his opinion. I'm only replying to exactly what I see. If you're going to debate, you need to read the full context and what's exactly there, after all.

Either way, the only two problems I think Brawl actually has were Meta Knight and Tripping. The rest were annoying/meh to me.

Only one of those are factual at all.

Three Characters in one: No, you can stay as one as long as you want. It's a handicap and can be worked around. The only time you're FORCED to switch is when you lose a stock.
Stamina: Your only actual point that has any factual things about it.
Switch time: Not really a problem at all. Worst that can happen is you switch when they're about to use a laggy move like Falcon Punch, but you'd have to be foolish to do that.

Only problem I actually see is Stamina. Which can still be worked around. I honestly loved him more than Lucario/Shoehorned in instead of a 3rd gen.