New Smash Bros for WiiU

[OmegaXXII]

Hello Launch, how are you?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

For the love of all that is poyo, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! It destroys Sakurai's image of how the game should be made. IT WON'T HAPPEN!!! Sorry for exploding, I'm just really sick of this argument on something Sakurai will never include.

...You do realize you're on my side, right?

Look, you guys can go and hack to set it up that way. But you have to realize that it just won't ever happen in SSB4. It's not even a realistic option as is.

 

[Sunnysunny]

No, but it's a defining feature of it. It's part of what Street Fighter is now. And too may games have copied this little feature. They're becoming too similar to eachother with the same overused mechanic. Being overused can indeed be a bad thing too. May I note how many similar FPS's there are?

Also, Smash is a different kind of fighting genre and its gameplay is not like Traditional Fighters. So adding more Traditional stuff takes away from makes it Smash. Smash is its own system.

And stop saying Optional makes it an okay choice. That's ridiculous to say so. If we could choose to put on Fatalities with blood would that make it alright? No, of course not. That's why that argument doesn't work at all. You can apply that to any idea.

You compare things, to other series that are irrelevant...alot. Like, too the point wear you hurt your arguement. Your entiiiiiiire arguement is "It would make it like other games" First of all it wouldn't. You won't except that, but it wouldn't make a damn difference. second its optional. And i'm gonna keep throwing that word around, because thats what brawls all about. Optionssss. So many options! You can morph and mess with the game soooo much to the point where its some weeeeird mix of other games with weird mechanics.

Like Lets say brawl was the only mechanic with super meter. Its still an amazing feature that wouldn't hurt. and no one would ***** about it being in other fighting games. Smash isn't that unique in the first place. Luigi's a direct parody of ken.

adding meter wouldn't ruin it and overall more people would be happy then sad. Thats what matters.

On top of that, add more characters. ADD A **** LOAD OF CHARACTERS TOO SMASH!
I wanna cool characters, I wanna stupid characters, I want joke characters, I want side character and abscure characters!

Sure, keep your prioritys straight when ya add em, but do ya see what i'm trying to say hyperfalcon? More things are better~ Add more thiiiings~ Make this **** the most diverse game ever!

 

[Metal Overlord]

@Trunks-

LAUNCH APPROVES

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

...You do realize you're on my side, right?

Look, you guys can go and hack to set it up that way. But you have to realize that it just won't ever happen in SSB4. It's not even a realistic option as is.

Yeah yeah, I know we're on the same side. I was just using your quote to show how sick I am of the argument, since yours was the newest piece of said argument.

 

[Sunnysunny]

T'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

Well duuuuhh. Half of the stuff we say here and more is not going to happen. That doesn't mean we can't say "YO KNOW WHAT WOULD BE ****ING AWESOME?!"

I think it would be a good inclusion. Will it happen? **** probably not. This thread isn't about whats going to happen. We have no control over whats going to happen. Another thing. This thread acts way too much like they decide the shots.

Victini probably won't get in. Mach riders hella a shot in the dark. and Laughing dog? I laugh at the laughing dogs chances of getting in.

But people still talk about it.

I'm tired of people talking about krystal being a lame character but getting in, and zorolucamew, but I deal with it, because thats what this threads about. Its "what if."

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

You compare things, to other series that are irrelevant...alot. Like, too the point wear you hurt your arguement. Your entiiiiiiire arguement is "It would make it like other games" First of all it wouldn't. You won't except that, but it wouldn't make a damn difference. second its optional. And i'm gonna keep throwing that word around, because thats what brawls all about. Optionssss. So many options! You can morph and mess with the game soooo much to the point where its some weeeeird mix of other games with weird mechanics.

Like Lets say brawl was the only mechanic with super meter. Its still an amazing feature that wouldn't hurt. and no one would ***** about it being in other fighting games. Smash isn't that unique in the first place. Luigi's a direct parody of ken.

adding meter wouldn't ruin it and overall more people would be happy then sad. Thats what matters.

On top of that, add more characters. ADD A **** LOAD OF CHARACTERS TOO SMASH!
I wanna cool characters, I wanna stupid characters, I want joke characters, I want side character and abscure characters!

Sure, keep your prioritys straight when ya add em, but do ya see what i'm trying to say hyperfalcon? More things are better~ Add more thiiiings~ Make this **** the most diverse game ever!

It's already extremely diverse anyway. And Poppy is right anyway. If we're going to think about ideas, we should think about realistic ones. And "being an option" does not make it a good option or fine by default. That's my major point.

And yes, it would make it a lot more like Traditional Fighters, because Super Meters are a Traditional Fighter element. So yes, that's a big difference. You make it sound like it won't heavily affect how the gameplay works.

Let's just drop it already.

 

[Sunnysunny]

and you make it sound like marios gonna transform into Ryu, every characters gonna face each other when fighting, and we'll get health bars if it does.

Neither of us have a damn clue how it will be until it happens. (or if)
Ya wanna leave it at different people with different opinions and call it a draw? =w=

 

[shinhed-echi]

Anyway, I wouldn't want Smash Bros. to borrow too many (if perhaps, none) elements from Street Fighter. It's already a great game, we don't need, IMO, fixed jumping, super bars, etc. Besides, I don't like the SF community too much. I don't want to be associated with them.

Some of the reasons they gave to say that SSB wasn't considered a fighter (fine, it's its own rare specie, better yet) was that some characters weren't even fighters to begin with. (...hello? Frank West, Phoenix Wright?)
Or that it's too campy (...um this makes assist spam what?)

I used to like Capcom fighters way more. Its fanbase drove me away. I still love Capcom vs SNK2, and hope for a real sequel. :D No changes in mechanics, just a larger roster (though it's pretty much perfect as it is now).

speaking of genre... What IS Smash Bros then? I would guess somewhere between a platformer/beat-em-up/fighter. (Or has the term "brawler" been established by now?)

"Party Brawler" sounds lame, though. XD

 

[OmegaXXII]

@Trunks-

LAUNCH APPROVES

Aww!! C'mon, Phoenix Wright man!!!

 

[Sunnysunny]

Hey now. Frank west covered wars ya know!

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Can we please talk about something else? I am so ****ing sick of this argument...

 

[shinhed-echi]

Hey now. Frank west covered wars ya know!

Oh right, and I forgot he also has the REAAAAAL MEGA BUSTAH!

 

[OmegaXXII]

Hehe, we should hold a vote and see how would actually favor your idea agaisnt Hyper's

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Anyway, I wouldn't want Smash Bros. to borrow too many (if perhaps, none) elements from Street Fighter. It's already a great game, we don't need, IMO, fixed jumping, super bars, etc. Besides, I don't like the SF community too much. I don't want to be associated with them.

Some of the reasons they gave to say that SSB wasn't considered a fighter (fine, it's its own rare specie, better yet) was that some characters weren't even fighters to begin with. (...hello? Frank West, Phoenix Wright?)
Or that it's too campy (...um this makes assist spam what?)

I used to like Capcom fighters way more. Its fanbase drove me away. I still love Capcom vs SNK2, and hope for a real sequel. :D No changes in mechanics, just a larger roster (though it's pretty much perfect as it is now).

speaking of genre... What IS Smash Bros then? I would guess somewhere between a platformer/beat-em-up/fighter. (Or has the term "brawler" been established by now?)

"Party Brawler" sounds lame, though. XD

It's a 2-D Beat-'em-up with Party and Fighting elements, really. Basically, turn Power Stone into 2D, and voila, Smash Bros basic style. The key difference is that this game uses simplistic controls.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Yup yup, that would be pretty amazing.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Can we please talk about something else? I am so ****ing sick of this argument...

Let's talk about you.

Aww!! C'mon, Phoenix Wright man!!!

Phoenix is cool, but VJ FTW! As the man himself would say, some like it red hot

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I have no idea what you people are arguing over, but I pick the person whose side I agree with

 

[shinhed-echi]

If I had to choose a Capcom character NOT Megaman....


... Nathan Spencer all the way. :D (Would prefer the oldschool one, not bionic-dreadlocks, I like the snappy, sarcastic one with the sense of humor best)}

His bionic arm would do more than just Tether recovery (leave that for "Z"). A swinging mechanic implemented just for him, that would be badass! Even if his jumping is poor.

 

[Sunnysunny]

Hehe, we should hold a vote and see how would actually favor your idea agaisnt Hyper's

Thats why I shubbed the word "optional" everywhere because id lose that **** in a heartbeat. xD

Also as a capcom rep?
Megaman. Not because hes my favorite character, or because hes the face of capcom, but becuase the dudes been getting tossed aside lately :< Megaman needs some mega love.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

If I had to choose a Capcom character NOT Megaman....


... Nathan Spencer all the way. :D (Would prefer the oldschool one, not bionic-dreadlocks, I like the snappy, sarcastic one with the sense of humor best)}

His bionic arm would do more than just Tether recovery (leave that for "Z"). A swinging mechanic implemented just for him, that would be badass! Even if his jumping is poor.

If THAT'S what this arguement is about, I also pick Spencer.

Hitler obviously would make an awesome villain in SSE 2

 

[SwayneGang]

Count me out of this.

 

[ChronoBound]

In both Melee and Brawl, the WTF character was a character designed by Gunpei Yokoi. Both Mr. Game & Watch and ROB were designed by him. The only other major character that was designed by Yokoi that is not presently playable in Smash Bros. is Dr. Mario. I think very few people know that ROB and Mr. Game & Watch shared the same creator.

Also, in addition to being the creator to these characters, Gunpei Yokoi was the producer for the Metroid (up until Super Metroid)and Fire Emblem series (up until Seisen no Keifu/FE4).

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

If THAT'S what this arguement is about, I also pick Spencer.

Hitler obviously would make an awesome villain in SSE 2

The real argument was Special Meter vs. Smash Ball.
But essentially, it was me and HyperFalcon against Sunnysunny.
I'm honestly sick of it.

 

[SwayneGang]

In both Melee and Brawl, the WTF character was a character designed by Gunpei Yokoi. Both Mr. Game & Watch and ROB were designed by him. The only other major character that was designed by Yokoi that is not presently playable in Smash Bros. is Dr. Mario. I think very few people know that ROB and Mr. Game & Watch shared the same creator.

Also, in addition to being the creator to these characters, Gunpei Yokoi was the producer for the Metroid (up until Super Metroid)and Fire Emblem series (up until Seisen no Keifu/FE4).

I never considered R.O.B. and Mr. Game & Watch WTF characters... they were something else: WIT characters.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I never considered R.O.B. and Mr. Game & Watch WTF characters... they were something else: WIT characters.

WIT? Elaborate please.

 

[Deleted member]

For a Capcom rep, I obviously prefer Mega Man. But if we can't have him, then Strider Hiryu.

@ChronoBound: Wouldn't Ridley count as his creation since he isn't playable yet? I'm not sure, but he is obviously part of the Metroid franchise. And I did not know that they were created by the same person.

 

[shinhed-echi]

In both Melee and Brawl, the WTF character was a character designed by Gunpei Yokoi. Both Mr. Game & Watch and ROB were designed by him. The only other major character that was designed by Yokoi that is not presently playable in Smash Bros. is Dr. Mario. I think very few people know that ROB and Mr. Game & Watch shared the same creator.

Also, in addition to being the creator to these characters, Gunpei Yokoi was the producer for the Metroid (up until Super Metroid)and Fire Emblem series (up until Seisen no Keifu/FE4).

Don't forget the original Kid Icarus. I'm 90% sure Yokoi worked on it thus why it has so many similarities with Metroid.

 

[SwayneGang]

WIT? Elaborate please.

WIT: What Is This

 

[Deleted member]

@Phoenix Wright video: LOL at it. I think it shows that anyone could have move set potentials and that it has no bearings on who gets in.

That is so epic Oasis. Now I want to see you do a little panel for everyone else.

It would be assuming to see how Oasis_S do me. Glad to see him getting back into doing that.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

In both Melee and Brawl, the WTF character was a character designed by Gunpei Yokoi. Both Mr. Game & Watch and ROB were designed by him. The only other major character that was designed by Yokoi that is not presently playable in Smash Bros. is Dr. Mario. I think very few people know that ROB and Mr. Game & Watch shared the same creator.

Also, in addition to being the creator to these characters, Gunpei Yokoi was the producer for the Metroid (up until Super Metroid)and Fire Emblem series (up until Seisen no Keifu/FE4).

Didn't he also make Mario Land?

What about Tatanga?

 

[Shorts]

You do know that Balloon Fighter has had support for his inclusion since pre-Melee times right?

Its Tingle who has a lot of faux support, most of which is based upon trying to get Zelda to have a fifth slot for the sake of having a fifth slot.

No, Tingle has legititmate supporters, you just think everyone who likes a character ou don't agree with is crazy. Case in point, Krystal.

And yes, I knew that of course, but if you were to read on you woud realize this list was based on what I see HERE, and Balloon Fighter has little support. I like him, but I like Tingle much more.

Smashchu may feel vindicated by this, but a high level player who runs SRK, Mr. Wizard, is saying that Phoenix Wright is a "slow and dumb character", and later adding that he will be essentially useless for competitive play.

Lesson of the day. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

The more I think about him, the less I like his inclusion... well not his inculsion, so much as how they made him play. It's just dumb. It's not quirky and cute (Tom Nook) and it's not trolly and weird (Tingle) it's just... lame... with no redeeming factors.

The unfortunate thing is that if Kid Icarus Uprising had not been delayed, the first newcomers to Smash 4 would have already been determined this month.

Now we are unsure when Smash 4 will begin development.

I bet he has a few characters already in mind. I mean, he's Mr. Smash Bros. He's got to. When do you think development will start and do you think their will be a character "cut off list" in terms of newcomers? By this I mean, let's say GENESECT gets a movie in late 2012, do you think that will be too late to change anything because character additions/ideas have already reached a cut off date?

@Oasis, me likey yo u comic.

 

[Metal Overlord]

WIT: What Is This

Ah, I see.

Are there really any other viable options from Capcom besides Mega Man and maybe Ryu for Smash?

 

[OmegaXXII]

Capcom rep is Phoenix Wright for me, but Megaman is the obvious choice to go with.

 

[OmegaXXII]

WIT pleasure! I'm hoping it's my Duck Hunt Dog!!

 

[SwayneGang]

@Omega
Ha ha, funny. But, where's your avi? It's gone.


@Metal
Your avi... is she doing what I think she's doing...?

 

[ChronoBound]

Yokoi was only the PRODUCER for Metroid (Metroid, Metroid II, Super Metroid), Kid Icarus, Mario Land 1 + 2, Wario Land (1 and VB), Fire Emblem (FE1-4), and Panel de Pon.

He did not actually design those games. He DID design Dr. Mario though.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

WIT: What Is This

wtd?

What's the difference?

 

[Deleted member]

Ah, I see.

Are there really any other viable options from Capcom besides Mega Man and maybe Ryu for Smash?

Choices that I like? Strider Hiryu?

As for who is feasible? Mega Man and Ryu are our only real options.

 

[SwayneGang]

wtd?

What's the difference?

I'm someone who tries not to use bad language, if I can help it. It's my own way of saying WTF.