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[OmegaXXII]

Victini fellas, but Zoroark is just as likely as well, neck to neck.

 

[Opelucid]

I actually prefer Zoroark but I wouldn't mind Victini getting in.

 

[Metal Overlord]

What? When did you here this

Yeah, IIRC, SSBF said that it was getting a limited release in theaters and his latest one is going to be about him and Zekrom.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Victini had a movie before and is getting another one.

When was that? I don't remember a Victini movie that came before the Zoroark movie, considering the Zoroark movie was during 4th Gen. I also don't think it's had one yet. I know one's coming out soon, but I don't think Victini has had a movie yet...

 

[Opelucid]

Yeah, IIRC, SSBF said that it was getting a limited release in theaters and his latest one is going to be about him and Zekrom.

What no you don't understand, both of the movies are exactly the same they both came out on the same day in Japan the only difference is in one movie Ash bonds with Zekrom and the other Ash bonds with Reshiram.

See?
http://serebii.net/movies/victini/

 

[Shorts]

No offense to you bro but this argument really is overrated and should stop being used...

"More deserving" is subjective. Anyone could think a character is more "deserving" than another. I could easily make up some random criteria (a.k.a BS) and use that in vain to show how some character is "more deserving" than the other. And it would still only be my opinion.

And you could argue any character is "deserving" as long as they're an actual VG character and have at least somewhat of a prominent role in their own series.

"Deserving" is subjective. However, I don't think I need to argue that Ridley is a better choice over Dark Samus. He has the fanbase. He's the major villain of the series. He's one of the last big names left. He outclasses her. He is more deserving. It's subjective yes. But as long as you back it up with reasoning, it can still stand 100% true.

It's whether or not you want to accept the truth that it ultimately comes down to. I can reason all day with Lucario lovers about a strictly "What if it came down to Mewtwo or Lucario" and they will simply deny everything I say.

Although, backing Lucario has it's points. Definitely.

Zoroark and Victini, they are neck in neck also. But I do think Victini has/will have the lead soon due to the attention it'll be getting.

Can I just say, I'm beginign to fall off the left winged Victini and the right winged Zoroark band wagons?

I'm going Green party with mister Insect himself. Genesect.

 

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Starfy is pretty much neck in neck with Little Mac, Issac and Saki. It's pretty close so far, but it does seem that he is in last place compared to them, although not by much (2-5% off).

Zoroark and Victini, they are neck in neck also. But I do think Victini has/will have the lead soon due to the attention it'll be getting.

Also I started my own game review blog. Feel free to check it out, my first review is FE Gaiden.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Nice blog, interesting, I'm surprised nobody has thought of it.

 

[Metal Overlord]

What no you don't understand, both of the movies are exactly the same they both came out on the same day in Japan the only difference is in one movie Ash bonds with Zekrom and the other Ash bonds with Reshiram.

See?
http://serebii.net/movies/victini/

Ah, I see, sorry my bad...

 

[OmegaXXII]

I definetly agree with Tri-Hyphen, both are neck to neck but Victini's movie may turn the tides completely.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Starfy is pretty much neck in neck with Little Mac, Issac and Saki. It's pretty close so far, but it does seem that he is in last place compared to them, although not by much (2-5% off).

Zoroark and Victini, they are neck in neck also. But I do think Victini has/will have the lead soon due to the attention it'll be getting.

Also I started my own game review blog. Feel free to check it out, my first review is FE Gaiden.

IMO, I don't really think Saki is as close to the others as you say he is. He only had one game on the ol' N64. Issac, Little Mac, and Starfy have had more recent games. Unless SSBB breaks that boundary(which I don't think it will because all 4 were in Brawl), Saki is lower on the priority list than the other 3.

 

[Metal Overlord]

"Deserving" is subjective. However, I don't think I need to argue that Ridley is a better choice over Dark Samus. He has the fanbase. He's the major villain of the series. He's one of the last big names left. He outclasses her. He is more deserving. It's subjective yes. But as long as you back it up with reasoning, it can still stand 100% true.

It's whether or not you want to accept the truth that it ultimately comes down to. I can reason all day with Lucario lovers about a strictly "What if it came down to Mewtwo or Lucario" and they will simply deny everything I say.

Although, backing Lucario has it's points. Definitely.

You have a point there, you definitely do.

I just feel like Waluigi, a character I'm not even crazy about, gets the shaft unfairly when it comes to these type of arguments. I don't like it when someone comes up with shoddy arguments, and everyone else simply agrees with them without even looking deeper into things.

Basically, I just want to be the devil's advocate and be Waluigi's defense attorney, so to speak.

I'm going Green party with mister Insect himself. Genesect.

You too?

 

[OmegaXXII]

IMO, I don't really think Saki is as close to the others as you say he is. He only had one game on the ol' N64. Issac, Little Mac, and Starfy have had more recent games. Unless SSBB breaks that boundary(which I don't think it will because all 4 were in Brawl), Saki is lower on the priority list than the other 3.

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No, the fact that Saki is not so popular is precisely why he has a good chance, why? Because Sakurai is looking at "lesser" series since he stated in an interview that Nintendo is lacking franchises therefore he is bound to look at lesser franchises as well.

FYI, relevance isn't everything, just because a said character is relevant doesn't automatically mean that he has higher chances, it's absurd to even think that.

 

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Nice blog, interesting, I'm surprised nobody has thought of it.

Thank you. It's good to know that it's somewhat original. I was worried that it had been done before.

IMO, I don't really think Saki is as close to the others as you say he is. He only had one game on the ol' N64. Issac, Little Mac, and Starfy have had more recent games. Unless SSBB breaks that boundary(which I don't think it will because all 4 were in Brawl), Saki is lower on the priority list than the other 3.

Well I'm not sure if I'm the best one to go into character chances like SSBF, but this is why Saki's chances are slightly above Starfy's.

1. Saki had a good amount of requests for Brawl
2. Saki was an AT, and based on his discription, Sakurai showed some interest in him and stated he would be a good fit for Smash.
3. Saki did appear in S&P:SS, so that does raise his relevancy.

He rivals just about any main character. There were many requests from users for his inclusion, and he IS pretty cool, so I did what I could to include him. After all, this game does let you enjoy a dream cast of supporting characters!

H-he has absolutely no problem fitting in!

I'd get into more, but since I can't support my claims on those I won't.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

No, the fact that Saki is not so popular is precisely why he has a good chance, why? Because Sakurai is looking at "lesser" series since he stated in an interview that Nintendo is lacking franchises therefore he is bound to look at lesser franchises as well.

Oh. Really? I didn't know that. I guess that would explain G&W and ROB though. Huh... Learn something every day, I suppose. :D

 

[Shorts]

You have a point there, you definitely do.

I just feel like Waluigi, a character I'm not even crazy about, gets the shaft unfairly when it comes to these type of arguments. I don't like it when someone comes up with shoddy arguments, and everyone else simply agrees with them without even looking deeper into things.

Basically, I just want to be the devil's advocate and be Waluigi's defense attorney, so to speak.

Waluigi plays no role in the main series of Mario. Everyone added so far has plyed a major role in the series. Bowser Jr does that better than Waluigi. He runs miles around Waluigi. Waluigi isn't that popular, especially when you compare him to Toad. Toad runs circles around Walugi's popularity. TOAD RUNS CIRCLES AROUND EVERYONE'S POPULARITY. I hate it. He isn't a good pick for the spin-off series. Paper Mario's spin off series is much more interesting/better reviewed than "Mario Tennis" and "Mario Sports Mix". Paper Mario and Geno, HECK DOC even runs circles around him.

So, let's add this up:

Waluigi has an important role. Bowser Jr. takes that cake.
Waluigi is extremely popular. He's a spec compared to Toad.
Waluigi could represent a spin-off series (Party/Sports). RPG and Puzzle are a better genre than Party/Sports crap. Doc, Geno, and PM have it over him.

SO, it can be assumed that all five of these characters are better choices than him? No?

You too?

I like Victini, and I like Zoroark....but I love Genesect. The debate between those two is annoying, and really, I just have always preferred Genesect. I realized last night that I find Victini slightly annoying. He makes Pikachu and Jigglypuff look like Emo kids. He's freakin' happy as ****. I DO, like his body type, and potential moveset much more than Zoroarks. But Zoroark has swagger. He could carry himself like a sneaky Wolf. Which would translate into his moveset. BUT, I find his design... oh, so so. Genesect. He has a cool design, a UFO head, an awesome type, and a demeanor that says "Wut, want my to poke you to death?". He's wicked looking. I dunno. I'm just attracted to everything he has. Plus, UFO HEAD.

No, the fact that Saki is not so popular is precisely why he has a good chance, why? Because Sakurai is looking at "lesser" series since he stated in an interview that Nintendo is lacking franchises therefore he is bound to look at lesser franchises as well.

FYI, relevance isn't everything, just because a said character is relevant doesn't automatically mean that he has higher chances, it's absurd to even think that.

Misquoted. Chrono has a much more proper quote. Sakurai said something more along the lines of "Oh, yeah Nintendo hasn't released very much new content/IP recently to choose from" It's not the same.

Also, I wouldn't ever try to argue "He has a good chance because no one likes him!"

 

[Metal Overlord]

In terms of popularity/relevance, I don't think Sakurai will be as selective with the roster as he was in the past.

Smash is a well-established franchise with strong sales, critical and commercial reception and massive anticipation for these next two titles, thanks to Brawl and Melee. It doesn't need big names to sell itself like 64 did, nor would the game be or sell any better based solely on "big names".

So "obscure" characters like Saki who already have some things going for them in their favor, with the pool of Nintendo characters is running low, have better chances than ever now because of that.

Waluigi plays no role in the main series of Mario. Everyone added so far has plyed a major role in the series. Bowser Jr does that better than Waluigi. He runs miles around Waluigi. Waluigi isn't that popular, especially when you compare him to Toad. Toad runs circles around Walugi's popularity. TOAD RUNS CIRCLES AROUND EVERYONE'S POPULARITY. I hate it. He isn't a good pick for the spin-off series. Paper Mario's spin off series is much more interesting/better reviewed than "Mario Tennis" and "Mario Sports Mix". Paper Mario and Geno, HECK DOC even runs circles around him.

So, let's add this up:

Waluigi has an important role. Bowser Jr. takes that cake.
Waluigi is extremely popular. He's a spec compared to Toad.
Waluigi could represent a spin-off series (Party/Sports). RPG and Puzzle are a better genre than Party/Sports crap. Doc, Geno, and PM have it over him.

SO, it can be assumed that all five of these characters are better choices than him? No?

I am in agreeance with you, you do know that, right?

I don't think Waluigi's getting in simply because he's a Mario character... almost everything he has going for him, Toad and Jr. have going for them in greater amounts.

BUT... I just like playing the devil's advocate. Gives a fresh perspective to debating, you know?

I like Victini, and I like Zoroark....but I love Genesect. The debate between those two is annoying, and really, I just have always preferred Genesect. I realized last night that I find Victini slightly annoying. He makes Pikachu and Jigglypuff look like Emo kids. He's freakin' happy as ****. I DO, like his body type, and potential moveset much more than Zoroarks. But Zoroark has swagger. He could carry himself like a sneaky Wolf. Which would translate into his moveset. BUT, I find his design... oh, so so. Genesect. He has a cool design, a UFO head, an awesome type, and a demeanor that says "Wut, want my to poke you to death?". He's wicked looking. I dunno. I'm just attracted to everything he has. Plus, UFO HEAD.

As probably the biggest Mewtwo fantard around here, I think Genesect is cool because he's like a Gen V reincarnation of him.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Oh. Really? I didn't know that. I guess that would explain G&W and ROB though. Huh... Learn something every day, I suppose. :D

Yup, obscure choices are definetly going to be in Smash 4, although, Saki isn't that obscure at all, he is quite known as well in a sense like Starfy and Little Mac but to a lesser extent I suppose.

 

[Shorts]

Yup, obscure choices are definetly going to be in Smash 4, although, Saki isn't that obscure at all, he is quite known as well in a sense like Starfy and Little Mac but to a lesser extent I suppose.

Much lesser extent. Sort of goes (Here anyways US) Little Mac, Isaac, TOM NOOK. . Starfy. . Saki.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Thank you. It's good to know that it's somewhat original. I was worried that it had been done before.



Well I'm not sure if I'm the best one to go into character chances like SSBF, but this is why Saki's chances are slightly above Starfy's.

1. Saki had a good amount of requests for Brawl
2. Saki was an AT, and based on his discription, Sakurai showed some interest in him and stated he would be a good fit for Smash.
3. Saki did appear in S&P:SS, so that does raise his relevancy.

Right on the nail, I agree with all those points as well. :D

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Tom Nook? Lolwut? :/

 

[Shorts]

Tom Nook? Lolwut? :/

Lolwut? That's a joke right? Starfy didn't sell that well in America, a place where Golden Sun, Punch out, and Animal Crossing rule the small franchises. LOLWUT? Saki/Starfy is more like it.

Also, Omega, why do you cherry pick? No one adressed my point about poplarity in the west, or the major Sakurai misquote? Two things a lot of your agrument was based on.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Tom Nook? Lolwut? :/

I don't like it as well but considering he had a stage in Brawl could possibly be an indication that Sakurai may have wanted Tom Nook.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Lolwut? That's a joke right? Starfy didn't sell that well in America, a place where Golden Sun, Punch out, and Animal Crossing rule the small franchises. LOLWUT? Saki/Starfy is more like it.

Also, Omega, why do you cherry pick? No one adressed my point about poplarity in the west, or the major Sakurai misquote? Two things a lot of your agrument was based on.

Well, by "lolwut" I meant how would Tom Nook fight? He's from a game with no enemies, fighting, or really anything that Starfy and Saki have. And I think it would even be weird for Smash to see a raccoon wearing an apron flail a pickax around. Just my little 2 cents.

 

[Metal Overlord]

No one adressed my point about poplarity in the west, or the major Sakurai misquote?

I shall.

Misquoted. Chrono has a much more proper quote. Sakurai said something more along the lines of "Oh, yeah Nintendo hasn't released very much new content/IP recently to choose from" It's not the same.

Also, I wouldn't ever try to argue "He has a good chance because no one likes him!"

I think he said something along the lines of "I will think about this once Kid Icarus is completely, but it is true that there haven't been many new things from Nintendo recently."

He was just recognizing the truth that Nintendo hasn't made a lot of IP's lately. I doubt it really meant anything specifically, at least not then when he said it...

 

[Shorts]

Well, by "lolwut" I meant how would Tom Nook fight? He's from a game with no enemies, fighting, or really anything that Starfy and Saki have. And I think it would even be weird for Smash to see a raccoon wearing an apron flail a pickax around. Just my little 2 cents.

*looks at Captain Falcon*

*Looks at R.O.B*

*Looks at Pheonix Wright in UMvC3*

It should be fine. Yeah. It will be fine.

I think he said something along the lines of "I will think about this once Kid Icarus is completely, but it is true that there haven't been many new things from Nintendo recently."

He was just recognizing the truth that Nintendo hasn't made a lot of IP's lately. I doubt it really meant anything specifically, at least not then when he said it...

Exactly. Which, of course he probably didn't remember about TLS or Xeno. Were they revealed even when he said this?.. Well, you know how character savvy Sakurai is. "Uh, who's Krystal?"

 

[BKupa666]

Saki has pretty much every reason to be in, but I would not be pleased if he did.

Really, there's nothing he can do that's interesting, per se. Souped up laser attacks and generic sword slashes are all I see in store for him. Granted, I haven't played S&P, but it's not hard to predict how Sakurai will go about making movesets.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Well, by "lolwut" I meant how would Tom Nook fight? He's from a game with no enemies, fighting, or really anything that Starfy and Saki have. And I think it would even be weird for Smash to see a raccoon wearing an apron flail a pickax around. Just my little 2 cents.

Moveset potential is an invalid argument, with the likes of R.O.B and C. Falcon having adequate movesets.

People act like Sakurai has no imagination or something. He's even made his own moveset up for characters that had plenty more to draw from (case and point: Wario).

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

*looks at Captain Falcon*

*Looks at R.O.B*

*Looks at Pheonix Wright in UMvC3*

It should be fine. Yeah. It will be fine.



Exactly. Which, of course he probably didn't remember about TLS or Xeno. Were they revealed even when he said this?.. Well, you know how character savvy Sakurai is. "Uh, who's Krystal?"

Well, I never said Tom Nook was impossible, I'm just saying it would be weird to have him in place of a character with fighting experience. That's all.

 

[Conviction]

@Metal:Isn't invalid, just not a very strong argument.

Not something you would use as a base of your debate or your fall back last resort type of point.

IIRC, some moves he's pulled from are Kirby originated. (Read this in a while back in this thread.)

 

[OmegaXXII]

Saki has pretty much every reason to be in, but I would not be pleased if he did.

Really, there's nothing he can do that's interesting, per se. Souped up laser attacks and generic sword slashes are all I see in store for him. Granted, I haven't played S&P, but it's not hard to predict how Sakurai will go about making movesets.

I think you need to look at Star's essay and moveset to get a better understanding, really, he isn't as bad as people think he is.

 

[ChronoBound]

Sakurai DID at one point come up with a rough draft for a playable Animal Crossing character (Animal Crosser). However, Sakurai decided that fighting did not suit Animal Crossing and left him out. It shows two things:
1. Sakurai has no problem with placing in a character without an "official" design (this helps Mii).
2. That if there was going to be a playable Animal Crossing character, it would be the Animal Crossing avatar (playable character) and not Tom Nook.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Agreed with IblisVII.

 

[Shorts]

Well, I never said Tom Nook was impossible, I'm just saying it would be weird to have him in place of a character with fighting experience. That's all.

Again, it's not weird. It's happened already.

Tom Nook probably will never be in Smash though. Considering Sakurai finds AC characters to be docile and too kind for fighting. Which is weird, but alright. Also, the rumor that Animal Corsser was in development for a while, until Sakurai was like, "WTF am I doing?" and scrapped them.

AGAIN, being passive and not having fighting experience are two different things. I still say Tom Nook is a good character choice, regaurdless of what Sakurai thinks. I picture furniture flying, and Tail attacks. I like.

"Thanks for your thoughts. Ruby and Sapphire are important games to me. I will consider your request."

I bet you anything, Deoxys 2014. The games probably already in development (Maybe not far mind you). The remakes aren't an IF, but a WHEN.

 

[ChronoBound]

It looks like the possibility of a Ruby/Sapphire remakes have slightly increased.

One fan asked Gamefreak's Junichi Masuda about the possibilities of Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire remakes, and the following was his response.

"Thanks for your thoughts. Ruby and Sapphire are important games to me. I will consider your request."

http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=163540

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I also think characters are chosen by Japanese popularity.
I say this because, according to a rumor I heard somewhere, King K. Rool wasn't put into Brawl because the players in Japan apparently hate the Kremlings.
I'm not saying this is true, it's just something I heard.

 

[Conviction]

Inb4predictionnames

Rare Ruby & Shiny Sapphire.

 

[Metal Overlord]

@Iblis: Kirby originated? Even for characters unrelated to Kirby?

An RB/SS remake? If this happens, since PT Red was based on the FR/LG 1st gen remake, is it possible that this might help out the slim chance of a 3rd gen PT getting in?

 

[Shorts]

Inb4predictionnames

Rare Ruby & Shiny Sapphire.

Burning Ruby, Restless Sapphire, or something along the ideas of "Ocean and Magma".

 

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Well that's some interesting news Chrono.

But unfortunetly until they're announced it doesn't help much for any characters chances.