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i want to know... what do you guys think about Andross...

what do you think of him putting on the two gloves for more power? (you know what gloves i'm talking about.)
 

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I was gonna go ahead and post my dream roster, but I'll let Tri-Hy post his idea first. :)

Don't worry though, I wouldn't include any non-VG characters (Vegeta) or platform-exclusive characters (Nathan Drake) within it...

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Pretty surprised you don't think there'd be new IC/G&W/Yoshi stages just because of no new games. It's kinda weird coming out of you when you're one of the only proponents of the opposite being true in regards to characters.

(for gambling purposes, what's the SMW Melee stage count as?)
Stages are a little different for me. While stages do not necessarily depend upon a new game, I do believe stages are more driven by recent games than characters. If you look at Brawl most of the stages were based upon games that were released in the interim between Melee and 2007, approximately. Granted, this doesn't take into account potential oddball or nostalgic choices such as 75m and Mario Bros. Perhaps it is just my lack of imagination, but I just don't see either series needing a new stage? All three stages are very good, and in G&W/IC's cases much better than the stages that preceded them. I won't write it off completely, just not likely to me.

Technically, I guess you could say, Game and Watch had both Game and Watch Collection games for the DS. I would like a Game and Watch Gallery stage.
 

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I was gonna go ahead and post my dream roster, but I'll let Tri-Hy post his idea first. :)
???

It was just something I wanted to bring up in order to maybe help enrich the story mode disscusion you were all having.

So go a head and post your roster.
 

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Chances of a second Sonic rep?

I say 25%.

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It's between Shadow, Tails, and Knuckles.

I got an idea! Sonic and Lucario! ooh, this'll be good.
Expand? Not sure where you are going with this.

Speaking of Metal, why couldn't "Metal" Sonic(Classic Mode, etc.) just have the regular Metal Sonic skin? I mean, would it be that hard to give him a special skin overall? He's already super late in the game, and unlike trying to give him better stuff in the SSE(like a course or boss), a neat costume would be great.

Note that I'm referring to the Metal Cap usage. I was dissapointed that they didn't atleast do this. It wouldn't have taken much programming, as can be told thanks to Hacks.
Agreed.

What you got in mind?

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You choose son.
 

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Tails Would be better than Shadow, something tells me Shadow would end up being a clone.

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???

It was just something I wanted to bring up in order to maybe help enrich the story mode disscusion you were all having.

So go a head and post your. roster.
Ah, I see, my bad lol.

But anyways, without further ado...

My dream roster! :cool:

[collapse="Metal Overlord's Super Dope Roster of Dope Proportions"]Mario
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Toad
Waluigi- (For the lulz)
Bowser Jr.

Pokemon
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Pokemon Trainer Ash- (Not Red; Squirtle/Bulbasaur/Charmander)
Meowth
Victini
Lucario
Genesect
Deoxys
Sceptile
Gary Oak- (Not Blue)
Charizard
Typhlosion
Swampert
Tyranitar
Blaziken

Legend of Zelda
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf
Toon Link
Skull Kid

Metroid
Samus/Zamus
Ridley
Dark Samus

Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
King K. Rool
Funky Kong

Yoshi
Yoshi

Wario
Wario
Jimmy T or P
Captain Syrup

Fire Emblem
Marth
Roy
Ike

Kirby
Kirby
King Dedede
Meta Knight

Kid Icarus
Pit
Palutena
Medusa

Star Fox
Fox
Falco
Wolf
Krystal

Punch-Out!!!
Little Mac

F-Zero
Captain Falcon
Samurai Goroh

Golden Sun
Isaac- (Dark Dawn look)

Earthbound
Ness
Lucas- (I guess he can stay)

Sin and Punishment
Saki

Other/Retro
Duck Hunt Dog
Mr. Game and Watch
R.O.B- (I guess he can stay, too)
Mach Rider
Takamaru
Ice Climbers

Third Party (Aww snap here we go)

Sonic
Sonic- (Classic, Modern)
Knuckles- (Classic, Modern)
Shadow- (Normal, Android)

Metal Gear
Snake- (Old Snake, Brawl Snake, Liquid Snake?)

Viewtiful Joe
Viewtiful Joe

Resident Evil
Chris Redfield
Jill Valentine

Mega Man
Mega Man- (Classic, X)

Pac-Man
Pac-Man

Soul Calibur
Cassandra
Nightmare
[/collapse]

Yeah, I know, a lot of characters, especially Pokemon and third-party. Would be dope, huh! :awesome:

I'd wait 15 years if need be for this roster to come true. :cool:
 

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@Ope: To save time for me, instead looking back 13394384730277yu30974908147XRL pages ago of my Shadow moveset, I'll just quote Sonic Battle as to evidence that there is no reason Shadow should be a clone.

Look SA2 is another good resource to pull moveset ideas from too.

@Asage: I'm guessing it's in the BR, I'll check it out.
 

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Nice roster. That has 22 more than mine. But I'm still sticking to my own list.
 

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You choose son.
Ah, damn, well... with Shadow, I'm having trouble with deciding whether it would be better for him to use either the Chaos Emerald as a recovery move or just using his Rocket Shoes to get a temporary boost. You got any advice or suggestions?

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Oh, right, you don't know. Well, I'm making an adventure mode for them. I've done so with Young Link and Toon Link, Victini (alone) and others.
I read them, it's really good!

Ah, damn, well... with Shadow, I'm having trouble with deciding whether it would be better for him to use either the Chaos Emerald as a recovery move or just using his Rocket Shoes to get a temporary boost. You got any advice or suggestions?

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I think Chaos Control as a recovery would be nice. Add a side effect to it, you can't get hurt by Shadow teleporting but if you are in the flash of the chaos control you get slow-mo effects for 1 second. (Once in slow-mo a player can't be put back into slow-mo again until 10 seconds have passed. This will stop any overpowering traits of Chaos Control)

I think the Rocket Shoes should just stay as his running animation. Or they can be incorporated into his dodging, for example, they should flare up when he spotdodges or rolls.
 

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Yep, a Wily/Robotnik team-up would be so dope. I want to see the two arguing with each other about their plans. :laugh:

I totally forgot about the Homing Attack not targeting the enemy in Brawl or being chargeable, yeah, that's a derp fo 'sho, they need to fix that this time around. :facepalm:

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A Sonic/Mega Man tandem would be baws, indeed, especially with X. I could see them having some sweet tag-team attacks (like Sonic curling up into ball and hopping into his cannon, Mega Man charging it up, and firing Sonic straight into the core one of Robotnik's or Wily's inventions, causing it to self-destruct).

I don't think anyone can really deny that Mega Man is the most universally wanted third-party character at this point (and probably the most "deserving" as far as third parties go).

I still believe that everyone should have 2 FSs (a Super Smash and a Final Smash, for example), and that they should change the current way of getting a FS by acquiring a Smash Ball. In Sonic's case, he'd have the Ancient Light and Super Sonic.

I think that Team Chaotix would be the best AT for Sonic. They'd use their Team Blast from Sonic Heroes. I just want them to interact with the playable characters in some form. :urg:

Speaking of AT's, Sora, please give them a role in Adventure Mode, don't limit it to just the playable characters. Like, they could be involved in side quests or even help out in the story in some way. It would make the Story Mode feel a lot more authentic and expansive. :)

As for Sonic bosses, yep, I concur that Robotnik and Metal Sonic would be the best choices. Chaos 0 and Shadow wouldn't be bad choices, either. They could recreate the Sonic vs Shadow race on Final Rush from Sonic Adventure 2, Smash-style. And then Chaos 0 boss fight would be similar to the very first boss fight in Sonic Adventure. I would hope that Metal Sonic would appear in his Neo Metal Sonic form if he got in as a boss. And as for Robotnik... he could use his Walker Mech from Sonic Adventure 2, the Egg Draggon, Egg Hawk, Egg Emperor, Giant Mech, Giant Mech... there's a countless amount to choose from. :grin:

Including a custom music option really is the best ways to go, as you know us nerds are gonna whine about some random song not getting in.

If a Colors stage got in, I bet it'd be Planet Wisp because that's the Colors stage rep in Sonic Generations.

With City Escape would come a the strong likelihood of more SA2 songs, such as Metal Harbor, Pyramid Cave, Green Forest, Final Rush and Crazy Gadget, which were all Sonic's stages. I'd bet some Knuckles and Shadow music from that game might get in with it, too.

The Speed Shoes would probably be the best Sonic item, but you what would be awesomesauce, as well? A Bounce Bracelet. Like you know how Samus has the Screw Attack as her Up Special, but then there was that Screw item that let you do a Screw Attack as long as you hold it? The Bounce Bracelet item would work almost the same way, except when you jumped and then tried to do a double jump or pressed down while in the air, you would bounce like Sonic does with his Bounce Attack (presumably if both Sonic got his Bounce Attack as a special in this game and the Bracelet as an item). If you threw it at someone while they were in the air, they'd bounce, too, and the item would disappear.

With all that said... holy crap, did I just pull a Johnknight on everypony? :laugh:

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Son, I'm very very impressed with this JohnKnight like post, I love these ideas. :grin:

Yes, I completely forgot about Team Chaotix, I definetly want them since they were my favorite team in Heroes, I also liked that idea where AT's could be given a role in Adventure Mode as well, like you said; it would make it more appealing and expansive along with those bosses you suggested would definetly make it epic enough for me, of course the plot with Robotnik/Wily taking on Sonic and Megaman would be bawws then after they are defeated Sonic/Megaman encounter Snake and Mewtwo since Mewtwo and Snake previously fought and are now friends (looks at asage's plot).

Yeah man, that wisps stage from colors would be very interesting no doubt, perhaps Angel Zone or Casino could be part of Sonic's Adventure Mode? Yes, that would work and City Escape could be his Smash Stage, goddamn would that rock! :grin:

Oh, and that Bracelet idea sounds superb, if it's like screw attck it would make for some interesting items, maybe a chao could assist as well? I hope so. :cool:
 

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Just for the "just because"

Sonic's Super Smash should be Super Sonic and his Final Smash should Hyper Sonic.

:awesome:

Iblis would like Sonic's Smash Stage to be Emerald Coast. Especially if it was side-scrolling.
 

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@Overlord Yamcha: Dang son, I like that dream roster, just include The Black Knight and it would be perfect!!!

I love you for including Duck Hunt Dog, epic son! :cool:

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If we get a new Sonic stage I am pretty sure it will be something from Colors like Planet Wisp.
 

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I forgot about Tails Adventure. Hmm... that game could certainly help give Tails his own unique twist on a moveset. I think I'm digging that. (As long as he has spindash and fly). :D


I wonder which villain is more wanted, K.Rool or Black Knight.
 

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K.Rool of course, Black Knight had some demand but with Roy and Chrome his chances dropped a lot

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Personally, I think that if a second Sonic rep gets in, it'll probably be Tails (and I would think it's the best choice for a new Sonic rep while we're at it). Knuckles doesn't really interest me and Shadow looks like a quick clone.

King K. Rool is so obviously higher in demand, he's among the most wanted potential newcomers (among the likes of Ridley, Mega Man, Little Mac, and Isaac if I must add).

@shinhed-echi: Glad to have you around. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts again.
 

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I think Chaos Control as a recovery would be nice. Add a side effect to it, you can't get hurt by Shadow teleporting but if you are in the flash of the chaos control you get slow-mo effects for 1 second. (Once in slow-mo a player can't be put back into slow-mo again until 10 seconds have passed. This will stop any overpowering traits of Chaos Control)

I think the Rocket Shoes should just stay as his running animation. Or they can be incorporated into his dodging, for example, they should flare up when he spotdodges or rolls.
Ah, I see, it does sound better. I love the side effect idea! I have one more suggestion, how about having the ability to hold the Chaos Control for about a second or two? I think this could prevent you from accidentally tapping it the wrong direction, or would that make the move too overpowered?

His victory quote would probably be, "Hmph! Faker! No chance to win against me!" (which, subsequently, would become another internet meme).

Omochao Gun 4 Smash? :awesome:

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K.Rool of course, Black Knight had some demand but with Roy and Chrome his chances dropped a lot

:phone:
Yeah man, I at least hope The Black Knight will be an awesome AT with a role in Adventure Mode, perhaps maybe even a boss with Mad King Ashnard would be fitting.

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@Omega- Haha, thanks bro, glad you loved the ideas! :grin:

Assist Chao would be great! I would love the Chao Garden to be like a training mode stage or an All-Star Rest Area.

WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT IDEA:

How about each franchise having their own personalized All-Star rest areas? Like, for example, the Sonic franchise gets the Chao Garden as their All-Star rest area, while the Pokemon franchise gets the Pokemon Center as theirs.

It might seem unnecessary, but I think it's a pretty cool idea. What do you think?

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WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT IDEA:

How about each franchise having their own personalized All-Star rest areas? Like, for example, the Sonic franchise gets the Chao Garden as their All-Star rest area, while the Pokemon franchise gets the Pokemon Center as theirs.

It might seem unnecessary, but I think it's a pretty cool idea. What do you think?
Wow, that's actually a pretty good idea. I'm sick of the Kirby based rest area.

I like it. :)
 

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How about each franchise having their own personalized All-Star rest areas? Like, for example, the Sonic franchise gets the Chao Garden as their All-Star rest area, while the Pokemon franchise gets the Pokemon Center as theirs.

It might seem unnecessary, but I think it's a pretty cool idea. What do you think?

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I like this kid.

Personally, I think that if a second Sonic rep gets in, it'll probably be Tails (and I would think it's the best choice for a new Sonic rep while we're at it). Knuckles doesn't really interest me and Shadow looks like a quick clone.
OMG someone call the press. I disagree with you SSBF. First time for everything I guess.

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5286199

Let the argument of fate begin!

Ah, I see, it does sound better. I love the side effect idea! I have one more suggestion, how about having the ability to hold the Chaos Control for about a second or two? I think this could prevent you from accidentally tapping it the wrong direction, or would that make the move too overpowered?

His victory quote would probably be, "Hmph! Faker! No chance to win against me!" (which, subsequently, would become another internet meme).


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Holding would be nice, just make it so that when holding it you getting a farther teleport.

I think one of his taunts should be straight out of SA2:B. "I promise you...REVENGE!!" :) Ohh yess and take the animation from it too. Win*. (I can't believe my girlfriend has got me doing that stupid (Win*) thing now)
 

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To add to the personalized rest areas, the healing items should be personalized, too. For example, Link and friends can keep the Hearts, while the StarFox crew gets supply boxes, Mario characters get 1-Up mushrooms, Olimar heals using his ship, Doc's chocolate bar for Little Mac, ect.
 

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Yeah man, I at least hope The Black Knight will be an awesome AT with a role in Adventure Mode, perhaps maybe even a boss with Mad King Ashnard would be fitting.

:phone:
I would rather have Black Knight as a playable character than any other FE character.

If they add a villain character instead of another hero, what do you guys think Black Knight's chance of getting in would be?
 

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But would you want them to use the exact soundbyte of that quote from SA2 (in David Humphrey's voice)?

Or whoever the new VA is? I've never heard him before so I can't comment.

@Opossum: Productive thinking right there. :cool:

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@xIblisx: Tails was scrapped and Shadow made it as an AT. So I'll give you that. But I guarantee you if Sonic returns, Tails will make it in at least AT form (possibly bumping Shadow out in the process)

Tails was in Unleashed and Colors (in which he played somewhat important roles in it) and Shadow was nowhere to be found. He will be in Generations, but before then, he had not been in a main Sonic title for five years (and last mainstream appearance on a Nintendo console was in 2004 with Sonic Heroes) whereas Tails has appeared in every main title since Sonic the Hedgehog 2 without fail (I'm assuming Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles are Sonic 3 & Knuckles in this case) and has remained as an important figure in the series. Tails is also generally loved by his fans whereas while Shadow has many fans, he also has many haters (a la Krystal). There is also that Tails is basically Sega's Luigi, which if Tails was playable, would give fans the opportunity to have Mario and Luigi vs. Sonic and Tails matches. As for requests for playable appearance in SSB4, Tails seems to receive the least opposition out of all potential Sonic newcomers.

Tails is more popular then Shadow (the poll linking to how popular Shadow was is a few years old), more important to the series, currently the most wanted Sonic newcomer, and more relevant.
 

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I would rather have Black Knight as a playable character than any other FE character.

If they add a villain character instead of another hero, what do you guys think Black Knight's chance of getting in would be?
Meh, him or Caeda.

Anyway, if they do add a villain character he'd get the spot for sure, if not, then Camus would.
 

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To play the devil's advocate for a second, SSBF...

I'm sure there are fans out there (including myself) who would want Mario vs Wario vs Sonic vs Shadow fights, too.

Also, Shadow was supposed to be Unleashed along with Knuckles but were scrapped.

And he also was in the DS version of Sonic Colors (albeit with almost every character main/supporting character).

Lastly, Shadow at least was popular enough to have his own popular spinoff (although it wasn't very well-received), an advantage that neither Tails, Knuckles or even Robotnik has.

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@Omega- Haha, thanks bro, glad you loved the ideas! :grin:

Assist Chao would be great! I would love the Chao Garden to be like a training mode stage or an All-Star Rest Area.

WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY NEXT IDEA:

How about each franchise having their own personalized All-Star rest areas? Like, for example, the Sonic franchise gets the Chao Garden as their All-Star rest area, while the Pokemon franchise gets the Pokemon Center as theirs.

It might seem unnecessary, but I think it's a pretty cool idea. What do you think?

:phone:
Clever thinking young chao, I love it, makes perfect sense to have it. :)

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But would you want them to use the exact soundbyte of that quote from SA2 (in David Humphrey's voice)?

Or whoever the new VA is? I've never heard him before so I can't comment.

@Opossum: Productive thinking right there. :cool:

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The exact soundbyte,

To play the devil's advocate for a second, SSBF...

I'm sure there are many fans out there (including myself) who would want Mario vs Wario vs Sonic vs Shadow fights, too.

Also, Shadow was supposed to be Unleashed along with Knuckles but were scrapped.

And he also was in the DS version of Sonic Colors (albeit with almost every character main/supporting character).

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I will be using this quote to help support my stance.

@xIblisx: Tails was scrapped and Shadow made it as an AT. So I'll give you that. But I guarantee you if Sonic returns, Tails will make it in at least AT form (possibly bumping Shadow out in the process)

Tails was in Unleashed and Colors (in which he played somewhat important roles in it) and Shadow was nowhere to be found. He will be in Generations, but before then, he had not been in a main Sonic title for five years (and last mainstream appearance on a Nintendo console was in 2004 with Sonic Heroes) whereas Tails has appeared in every main title since Sonic the Hedgehog 2 without fail (I'm assuming Sonic 3 and Sonic & Knuckles are Sonic 3 & Knuckles in this case) and has remained as an important figure in the series. Tails is also generally loved by his fans whereas while Shadow has many fans, he also has many haters (a la Krystal). There is also that Tails is basically Sega's Luigi, which if Tails was playable, would give fans the opportunity to have Mario and Luigi vs. Sonic and Tails matches. As for requests for playable appearance in SSB4, Tails seems to receive the least opposition out of all potential Sonic newcomers.

Tails is more popular then Shadow (the poll linking to how popular Shadow was is a few years old), more important to the series, currently the most wanted Sonic newcomer, and more relevant.
And so it begins....
True Tails has been a main figure for Sonic since Sonic 2, but actually barely played a role in Sonic 3, Sonic & Knuckles, and Sonic 3 & Knuckles, so there's that hole. Continuing on, Tails also has a hater base, IE his voice acting has been annoying and obnoxious. (a la Pit in Brawl) Shadow is Sega's Vegeta in that sense you compared Tails to Luigi. I'm more than sure people would love a Shadow vs. Wario/DK/Luigi/etc. Opposition won't really matter if for's or over the no's.

Is Tails really more popular? Is there an updated poll stating such? If not the old poll stand still. I'll give the more important aspect but, relevancy is challenged by Sonic Gen and wouldn't be so sure Tails is more wanted than Shadow.

P.S. Could give me a link to Gamefaqs or whatever it is? I want to make an account.

P.S.S This is probably the most respectful argument I've had on this thread.
 

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I would rather have Black Knight as a playable character than any other FE character.

If they add a villain character instead of another hero, what do you guys think Black Knight's chance of getting in would be?
Well, sad to say that his chances aren't that great anymore since Fire Emblem 13 recently got confirmed along with a new lord named Chrome/Krom, which means he isn't as likely since Roy is demanded in Japan and Krom is relevant.

I personally would love to see him playable and I always supported him before the FE13 announcement, as for a playable villain besides him, unmasked Zelgius anyone?

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