New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

lol Yamcha, before you edited I started listening to 64 Final D after the training stage
There was no unlockable 64 music in Brawl? How sad...I think that brings back the missing music data Star posted like 1000 pages ago haha

@HyperFalcon
Spinning Attack was based off Senpukyaku right? I don't know if the term should really be incorporated in Smash since the attacks are based of button inputs (Z, QCF, QCR).

I think the original SSB credits were available, but that was it. I was rather dissapointed in the overall music list. No Metal Music? Come on!

The attack was strictly based upon spinning, not so much how it was done. Of course, I'm going by the TVTropes definition of Shoto Clone, not Street Fighter's. It's more broad overall.

But this is wayyyyy too off-topic.

As I said before, I don't mind clones in general, but I'd like if they tried to atleast give them unique Final Smashes.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Well I just checked my Gamefaqs thread and surprisingly all the comments have been positive. Although the thread isn't as popular as the troll threads.

Haha, glad I'm not over there, at least I wouldn't want to stumble across a troll.

 

[army man]

and there are plenty of trolls

 

[OmegaXXII]

@HyperFapcon: Yes! Final Smashes is just what everybody needs, at least more luigified specials or better diversed from their counterparts would be better, like Fox and Falco for example, While Fox is fine, Falco should definetly have the Arwing as his Final Smash instead of Fox's signature Landmaster; after Falco does say "Personally I prefer the air". Same deal with Wolf, while most of his general attacks are already diversed from those of Fox's his specials and Final Smash aren't, if Sakurai and team got more creative and actually put time and effort into movesets I believe Wolf could definetly become his own entity, he wouldn't even be considered part of the Fox/Falco thing.

 

[y.toonlink]

@Yamcha
Well, Star posted a long time ago about missing music data, and 64 music seemed to be one of the two
Nice SA2 selections btw. Stop making me sad that I can't play it, I've already watched enough vids

@HyperFalcon
I guess, but the other two are based on the inputs.
But yea, clones aren't as bad as people make them out to be it's just a matter of another character that could've taken a spot and been more unique

Spoiler

and have the same aerials as everyone else

although what's unique to me is the difference the clone brings.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I just want everybody who has been in Smash thus far, more like a tribute or anthology of sorts dedicated to Smash.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@HyperFapcon: Yes! Final Smashes is just what everybody needs, at least more luigified specials or better diversed from their counterparts would be better, like Fox and Falco for example, While Fox is fine, Falco should definetly have the Arwing as his Final Smash instead of Fox's signature Landmaster; after Falco does say "Personally I prefer the air". Same deal with Wolf, while most of his general attacks are already diversed from those of Fox's his specials and Final Smash aren't, if Sakurai and team got more creative and actually put time and effort into movesets I believe Wolf could definetly become his own entity, he wouldn't even be considered part of the Fox/Falco thing.

Outside of Wolf's Final Smash, he honestly felt like, well... not a clone. Atleast not that similar enough.

And yes, how uncreative do you have to be to give WOLF a Landmaster. That was one was the most lazy Final Smash ever. I mean, the other clones were annoying in that regard.(and hell, Falcon and Ganondorf has some similarities, both summoning a powerful machine/beast to nearly OTK something) But PK Starstorm, Triforce Slash... what was up with those? Let's not get started on how inaccurate they were. Triforce Slash was an Omnislash clone. Why not do something with their Ocarina? Tink could've used his Wind Waker to actually create a powerful wind that changes the entire battlefield.

I admit, my last idea is pretty OP, but they could've done so much more. Tink didn't even feel like Toon Link, he was pretty much Young Link with a new skin. He has about nothing that really made him standout from regular Link, and that was just lazy. I mean, even Ganondorf started to get luigified. Also, I'd say Ike took some notes from Roy with the fire blade style.(just some, but it feels like a retooled Roy, to be honest)

@y.toonlink: Fair enough. But to be fair, Mario Tornado(except for Brawl), Luigi Cyclone, and the other similar ones had the same input for all three as well. (that is, Down B for Tornadoes, etc.)

 

[---]

I'd like to see a few changes in FS's:

Snake - Metal Gear Rex (MSG4)
Falco - Arwing
Wolf - Summon SW to attack?
Ness - PK Rocking (I think it's called that)
T.Link - ???
Mario - Mega Mushroom (NSMB)
etc.

 

[Deleted member]

Wolf should get his Wolfen for a Final Smash.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I'd like to see a few changes in FS's:

Snake - Metal Gear Rex (MSG4)
Falco - Arwing
Wolf - Summon SW to attack?
Ness - PK Rocking (I think it's called that)
T.Link - ???
Mario - Mega Mushroom (NSMB)
etc.

Yes, Snake's Final Smash should be REX (although it would better suit Liquid Snake )

But yeah, those ideas seem pretty legit, I just hope that if Zoroark does get in with Mewtwo that Sakurai doesn't give them the same or similar Final Smash, now that would be very dissapointing.

@HyperFalcon: Yeah man, those Final Smashes are definetly there, all SORA needs to do is not be lazy and put some effort into their moveset and Final Smashes, Ike was good indeed but did not feel like clone at all, perhaps if Roy and Ike got in over Chrome, I wouldn't exactly know how much different they would feel, at least Roy better be more diverse from Marth than he was in Melee that's for sure.

 

[Big-Cat]

I'd like to see a few changes in FS's:

Snake - Metal Gear Rex (MSG4)
Falco - Arwing
Wolf - Summon SW to attack?
Ness - PK Rocking (I think it's called that)
T.Link - ???
Mario - Mega Mushroom (NSMB)
etc.

How about giving T.Link a counter move where he rolls around and then stabs in the head. Of course, this would be for a super move, and not something stupidly broken (good or bad) like an FS.

If they wanna expand more on Toon Link, make the Windwaker an essential component to his moveset.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@HyperFalcon: Yeah man, those Final Smashes are definetly there, all SORA needs to do is not be lazy and put some effort into their moveset and Final Smashes, Ike was good indeed but did not feel like clone at all, perhaps if Roy and Ike got in over Chrome, I wouldn't exactly know how much different they would feel, at least Roy better be more diverse from Marth than he was in Melee that's for sure.

They share some things in common. Flare Blade, Heavyweight, similar overall power, not terribly different Up B(it was like Roy + Kirby). As I said, retooled. He was unique, but it's like they gave Roy a new moveset. But that's just how I see it.

Anyway, I liked Mario's final smash due to it being a reference to SMRPG. In that game, he could use a very large amount of fireballs.

I just hope the rest of them are related to their games in some way(if actually possible, Ice Climbers, anyone?). Giga Bowser was cool, but I was hoping for something not from the Smash Bros. series.

 

[y.toonlink]

@HyperFalcon
I honestly thought Link should use Epona if not TriForce Slash, but I don't think Omnislash is the only attack with multiple slashes. I think the aim for Link is to not be exclusive to one game, other than the design. Ironically, I think Toon Link should have a Wind Waker FS: he plays Wind's Requiem and summons a tornado. Not exactly true to Wind Wake since you just change the direction of the wind, but it references SSB64 as well.
But yea, Toon Link and Young Link differentiate themselves pretty good with their weight from Link, more so with Toon Link but that's the physics fault. I dunno if it's just how I play, but I have better combos with Young Link and Toon Link.

If Wolf uses Wolfen, how different would it be from Falco's Arwing if we're talking no cloney attacks

@Kumo
I had a moveset with exclusive Wind Waker attacks, but I dunno if they wanna make any Link exclusive to one game (ignoring Zelda)

 

[OmegaXXII]

Yeah, Foon Link should definetly be very unique and NOT be so Link like, he has way more potential than just being a simple clone/semi-clone.

 

[---]

Yeah, I can see Toon Link using the Wind Waker to summon a Tornado. He is the Hero of Wind, so it would fit him.

 

[Metal Overlord]

^" Foon Link"?

 

[Big-Cat]

@Kumo
I had a moveset with exclusive Wind Waker attacks, but I dunno if they wanna make any Link exclusive to one game (ignoring Zelda)

Well, IIRC, the Zelda characters in Smash are a compilation of their various incarnations so they aren't inherently bound to any one incarnation. This also means they can use anything they want. With Toon Link, I thought it would be cool if Toon Link could control the wind not unlike Rachel Alucard from BlazBlue. It couldn't be a direct rip though as he would be broken due to a virtually safe zoning AND K.O. method.

What I was thinking was to make the wind a pseudo-beam (something not seen in Smash outside of Final Smashes). Let me explain. Link presses B and then can decide which of the 8 possible directions he can control the wind. This would be for zoning with bombs, pushing in the opponent to you, bringing yourself to the opponent, edge-guarding etc. The wind comes out starting from behind Toon Link to the intended direction. When any direction by 4B is used, a "wind beam" comes out and pushes something it hits. This can be bombs uplifted, enemies pushed off the stage, etc. 4B would bring him to the opponent.

Like Rachel, he'd have a limit of how many he can do in a given time. And as you can see, the Wind Waker alone would distinguish him not only from Link, but the rest of the cast as well. For his side special, I'd probably change it to that Rope Snake or something.

 

[Oasis_S]

My point was, just because a character's fanbase is perverted, doesn't mean you should stereotype everyone of them.

I like Krystal, but not her porno.

What would Mach Rider supporters be stereotyped as. Something homosexual, surely. Spikes and leather everywhere.

Also only (greasy) otakus support Takamaru.

 

[Big-Cat]

Kamen Rider fans, or just toukusatsu in general.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@King: Exactly. We made a ton of unique Tink movesets, and we got a meh one instead.

@y.toonlink: I'd just have Falco use the Bluemarine. Your ideas are great too!

 

[OmegaXXII]

^" Foon Link"?

Hey, dawg, simple typo yo!!

But yeah, more Sonic music should get in for sure.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Indeed it should, Omega

Now what about Samurai Goroh from F-Zero? We hardly ever talk about him or his chances...

Or better yet, possibility of more than one FS for each character?

That would be pretty dope, but with potentially 50 or more characters, I'm not sure how feasible that might be

 

[Starphoenix]

I want this guy now.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

God, yes, Goroh would be great. Or any other F-Zero character. I admit I want to see less sword users, but still, it's F-Zero. Needs more love, dangit!

 

[Oasis_S]

Samurai Goroh's Special should have him shout "STRINGRAY SLICE" or something stupid like that, complete with a flaming stingray as part of the attack.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Indeed it should, Omega

Now what about Samurai Goroh from F-Zero? We hardly ever talk about him or his chances...

well, from the looks of things, it seems he is the most probable out of any F-Zero rep, even moreso than Black Shadow who I prefer, the thing about him is that he has gained alot of recognition in Smash already, one being in Melee's cinematic intro and the other being an AT in Brawl, but seeing as no new F-Zero has came out since GX back in 2004, it is looking a little pale, however since F-Zero is a popular franchise in Smash like Captain Falcon for example it makes him more likely due to the possible fanbase, I'd say that if we indeed got a new F-Zero for either the Wii-U or 3DS it would definetly improve his odds of getting in due to the relevance boost.

 

[Starphoenix]

I cannot bring myself to support Goroh despite how likely he is...

 

[OmegaXXII]

I want this guy now.

Ewwwww...he's ugly, don't tell me that he's the Dragon Quest X hero?? I'd rather have my "Gopan" from Dragon Quest VIII, sorry.

And....what happened to Slime?

 

[Shorts]

It doesn't, especially when even main games have a tendency to influence nothing.

The answers people give to this bit are a good indicator of quackery though.

Seriously. Look at Bowser Jr. and Toad, and their lack of inclusion in the Brawl roster, DESPITE a "slot" opening up when Doc left.

Why do so many people assume they know what my intentions are for asking a question? I wasn't trying to insinuate that Cranky Kong. My question was for Chronobound because he is using Mario Kart Wii to evaluate Donkey Kong characters, and I just wanted to throw a scenario out there. Not that I needed to elaborate, still... Goodness.

I didn't jump to conclusions ....:D

Anyways, how do you feel about Donkey Kong Jr Star? Do you think he's a better choice as a retro, or do you think he fits into the DK catagory? COULD he fit both? I mean, he doesn't star in Donkey Kong games, he stars in Donkey Kong JR. games, right? I like him as a character. He could be all Vine climby and whatnot. Or a Dk clone...

Wolf should get his Wolfen for a Final Smash.

Fox - Landmaster
Wolf - Wolfen
Falco- ..."Hands off my prey"

What would Mach Rider supporters be stereotyped as. Something homosexual, surely. Spikes and leather everywhere.

Also only (greasy) otakus support Takamaru.

Ummm, gay bikers. They love their hogs.

I want this guy now.

He looks like a sassy Young Link

I cannot bring myself to support Goroh despite how likely he is...

WELL, you can choose Goroh, or...Black Falcon? Or pick someone stupidless likely like Jody Summers or ....Blood Falcon.

blood FALCON PUUUUNCH!

 

[---]

While I would perfer Black Shadow as we could renact the end of the F-Zero anime, Goroh is the more likely and deserving one.

Heck, so far he's the only character I've seen Toise give any support on.

 

[Shorts]

While I would perfer Black Shadow as we could renact the end of the F-Zero anime, Goroh is the more likely and deserving one.

Heck, so far he's the only character I've seen Toise give any support on.

He likes Castlevania and has something to say for Mona and Captain Syrup. Although I don't know what. He also thinks Roy is a good choice. UMMMMMM he likes F-Zero, for sure. I think he even likes Jody Summers. He thinks for Pokemon, or only real choices are 5th Gen OR Mewtwo.

THAT'S ALL I CAN REMEMBER. He also likes Hockey...(:

 

[Opelucid]

I want this guy now.

That really looks like Trunks from DBZ.

 

[Starphoenix]

Ewwwww...he's ugly, don't tell me that he's the Dragon Quest X hero?? I'd rather have my "Gopan" from Dragon Quest VIII, sorry.

And....what happened to Slime?

Nope. He is someone else, but you are on the right track with it being Dragon Quest though. There are other Dragon Quest characters I like you know? Like him.

 

[Conviction]

DQ version of Trunks?

 

[OmegaXXII]

While I would perfer Black Shadow as we could renact the end of the F-Zero anime, Goroh is the more likely and deserving one.

Heck, so far he's the only character I've seen Toise give any support on.

Exactly, he would definetly provide alot of lulz as well, I prefer him, Takamaru could be the "katana" user in Smash, and yes, I'm aware other sord users can co-exists, don't even get on that.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Seriously. Look at Bowser Jr. and Toad, and their lack of inclusion in the Brawl roster, DESPITE a "slot" opening up when Doc left.

Which was replaced by Wario, who is a part of the Mario series, and has his own games. Toad is technically playable via Peach, so he has his appearances. Bowser Jr. is very likely, due to being what could be called a main villain now. He, along with any of the Mario RPG(SMRPG, Paper Mario, M&L) characters all have fair chances. Since Toad is atleast part of a move, he does something for the players in general. It'd be great if he got in, but he's only really playable in one main game, but countless spinoffs. I'd like to see him too.

As for Goroh, I honestly think he has a shot in 4. Depending if that "leaked sheet" is real or not.(I hope it isn't, mind you, due to saying F-Zero and Mother are DONE)

 

[Metal Overlord]

Isn't Akira Toriyama or somebody involved with DQ? Probably why that dude resembles Trunks

 

[Starphoenix]

DQ version of Trunks?

Pretty much, he is a master swordsman who obtains a legendary blade and can tame and summon monsters. Anybody know whyyyy I'm bringing him up? Hmmm...

Also, no Black Shadow. The only people who like him are those who think he will take Ganondorf's moveset. Otherwise, no one gives a flip about him.

 

[Deleted member]

Isn't Akira Toriyama or somebody involved with DQ? Probably why that dude resembles Trunks

Akira Toryiyama does the designs for characters.

As for Goroh, I'm saying slightly above 50%.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Nope. He is someone else, but you are on the right track with it being Dragon Quest though. There are other Dragon Quest characters I like you know? Like him.

Man, that link is broken!

but yeah, I recognize Akira Toriyama's work anywhere, for anybody who doesn't know, he draws DBZ characters.