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[OmegaXXII]

Uh oh. According to the latest issue of Nintendo Power, Ghirahim's goal is to "revive his master". It was confirmed that Ganondorf would not be in the game, however, no one said anything about Ganon...

If Ghirahim ends up becoming another Zant, then I guess he might no longer be a serious contender for Smash 4.

Still, I think the best route would be to wait until Skyward Sword is actually released, and to see if Ghirahim is actually a well-received character by the Zelda fanbase.

Is there a link to it? Wow, did it really say Ghirahim wouldn't actually be the main antagonist?

Well, seems like Tingle might be more probable then, drats

 

[Deleted member]

Uh oh. According to the latest issue of Nintendo Power, Ghirahim's goal is to "revive his master". It was confirmed that Ganondorf would not be in the game, however, no one said anything about Ganon...

If Ghirahim ends up becoming another Zant, then I guess he might no longer be a serious contender for Smash 4.

Still, I think the best route would be to wait until Skyward Sword is actually released, and to see if Ghirahim is actually a well-received character by the Zelda fanbase.

Eek.

Ghirahim is perhaps my most wanted Zelda newcomer for this game. If that does happen, the only viable option left is Tingle (unless of course said "master" is Vaati, then he'll get another shot as well).

 

[OmegaXXII]

I wonder who this "master" will be, I don't really like Tingle. :/

 

[Sonic Poke]

What about Mewtwo?

@Swayne- I didn't suggest that because everyone else but me thinks a 5th gen rep is absolutely guaranteed... lol.

Mewtwo was cut for some reason, if you want to play with him, play Melee! I only accept if it were part of a moveset of trainer (Giovanni, please!)

 

[Deleted member]

Mewtwo was cut for some reason, if you want to play with him, play Melee! I only accept if it were part of a moveset of trainer (Giovanni, please!)

I don't think there was any intentions for Mewtwo to be cut. He was the closest to completion, but in the end, wasn't able to make it. Chances are that he'll be seriously considered again.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Mewtwo is staying, why do people think he was intentional cut in the first place?

 

[Opossum]

So, another forumite told me that Sundes would be a good Final Smash for Muddy Mole. So, I figured, since most wouldn't know the game, I'd post the Sundes boss battle. Basically, the move would work like Sundes does at 0:10, with Muddy going underground to avoid getting hit.

Also, at about 0:40 is my predicted recovery for Muddy. Quick video, I recommend watching it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu7vdgPBBaI

 

[OmegaXXII]

So, another forumite told me that Sundes would be a good Final Smash for Muddy Mole. So, I figured, since most wouldn't know the game, I'd post the Sundes boss battle. Basically, the move would work like Sundes does at 0:10, with Muddy going underground to avoid getting hit.

Also, at about 0:40 is my predicted recovery for Muddy. Quick video, I recommend watching it...

Muddy Mole moveset? Would like to see this so called battle to get some undertanding i guess.

 

[y.toonlink]

Pokemon is a really broad series, I wonder if it'll have the most slots? And yes, even more than the Mario series.

@SSBFan
Still, relevance doesn't guarantee inclusion. There's a lot of factors that influence inclusion, and Toon Link has more reasons to stay than just Young Link's remake. If anything, Skull Kid should be considered since there's so much Ghirahim talk.

 

[Opossum]

It was a video link to a boss fight...I forgot the link...


I fixed it...

 

[Metal Overlord]

Mewtwo was cut for some reason, if you want to play with him, play Melee! I only accept if it were part of a moveset of trainer (Giovanni, please!)

Mewtwo sucks in Melee. Why would you do that to me?

@SSBF- Lucario I could see being cut mostly because he's a middling gen furry now.

@Omega- Mewtwo could be cut due to time constraints again lol. But then again, there's DLC in the mix now...

 

[Sonic Poke]

I don't think there was any intentions for Mewtwo to be cut. He was the closest to completion, but in the end, wasn't able to make it. Chances are that he'll be seriously considered again.

You spoke very well, he was cut because of the inclusion of a more important character (probably Wolf or Toon Link, perhaps because of his decision to keep Jigglypuff), since there was the most important characters in Brawl, there will be in SSB4!

I'm off for now!

 

[OmegaXXII]

Yup, Mewtwo needs to be seriously buffed, gain some wight and be heavier, also modify his moveset., then he would truly be boss like with shades.

 

[Deleted member]

You spoke very well, he was cut because of the inclusion of a more important character (probably Wolf or Toon Link, perhaps because of his decision to keep Jigglypuff), since there was the most important characters in Brawl, there will be in SSB4!

I'm off for now!

According to a theory, he was replaced by Sonic...

Still, if that is the case, then I do think they had every intention of bringing Mewtwo back and I don't think they were intending on cutting him. And I don't think he was cut because more important characters were needed.

 

[SwayneGang]

@Sonic Poke
Mewtwo was not intentionally cut. Within Brawl's data, there was a lot involving Mewtwo. Sound effects, voices, victory music, and a possible Final Smash. Plus, someone on here posted a video somewhat showing Mewtwo in battle. He's going to return.


@y.toonlink
Glad you liked it. In fact, I think I'll just post it again in case some missed out on it.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Most likely We'll get Victini, or...Genesect could come into play if a movie were to vome out during Brawl's development.

 

[y.toonlink]

I think Mewtwo was cut for either Lucaro replacing Mewtwo (I know that 's less likely) or to keep Jiggs in.

 

[Starphoenix]

A - Punches right fist forwards, hooking his arm to the right
AA - Hooks arm down into the opponents back
AAA - Throws left arm powerfully to lay out opponent

Running A - Lunges body forward, firing off his pistol while suspended in the air

Forward Tilt - Fist dematerializes and reappears a few inches in front of opponent, jabbing them
Down Tilt - While on the ground throws shoulder forward to bash opponent
Up Tilt - Throws shoulder spike into the air and spins around in a circle

Forward Smash - Grabs chain and slashes ferociously in front of him, arcing diagonally
Up Smash - Punches both fists together creating an explosion above
Down Smash - Pulls out two pistols and points them diagonally towards the ground on both sides. Firing them to create a point blank blast effect.

Up Special - Grapple Chain: Spins the chain over his head one time and will launch his chain into the air. If it catches an opponent they will be wrapped into the chain in which he will slam opponent onto the ground.

Standard Smash - Mach Punch: Mach Rider dematerializes completely and will rematerialize a few inches from the previous point and deliver a powerful explosive punch.

Forward Special - Gatlin: He will pull out a gatling gun like one on his bike and fire it in rapid succession. While fast due to it's weight Mach Rider finds it difficult to move. It can be dropped and used by other characters.

Down Special - Swipe: Sweeps the ground in a horizontal arc with his chain, damaging and possibly tripping opponent.

Aerial- Swipes chain forward
Forward Aerial - Kicks foot up and forward while in the air
Back Aerial - Swings arm around him while his fist is clenched, hitting opponent with the back of his fist
Up Aerial - Upper body dematerializes and lunges skyward at opponent, slamming them with a powerful blow with both fists
Down Aerial - Kicks one boot down with force

Grab - Throws chain forward
A - Punches down into opponent
Forward Throw - Pulls opponent forward and uses his hands to pick the character up by their chest, almost as though they had a jacket, and hurls them forward.
Back Throw - Spins opponent around throwing them behind him
Down Throw - Pulls them closer and has one foot atop the character and with the other he stomps on them
Up Throw - Runs opponent on the ground with his chain and tosses them into the air

Final Smash - Mach Bike: Mach Rider summons his bike that he can ride around the stage for a set amount of time. He is able to run over opponents, fire the guns mounted on his bike, and jump to be able to scale platforms. He has more control over his bike than Wario, but the increase in speed potentiallt makes it dangerous on small stages. After time his up his bike crashes and Mach Rider will defragment and pull himself back together on thr stage. A throwback to the old NES Mach Rider game.

 

[Aurane]

Oh, what a lovely conversation Mewtwo has, no doubt, been an expected character for brawl and what's soon 2B SSB4. Perhaps this time around we'll see more of fan appeal than character flawlessness. @ star NO GUNS, SNAKE!

 

[Deleted member]

I think Mewtwo was cut for either Lucaro replacing Mewtwo (I know that 's less likely) or to keep Jiggs in.

I doubt Mewtwo was replaced.

Also Starphoenix, potentially bad news for Ghirahim ChronoBound posted on the last page.

 

[OmegaXXII]

A - Punches right fist forwards, hooking his arm to the right
AA - Hooks arm down into the opponents back
AAA - Throws left arm powerfully to lay out opponent

Running A - Lunges body forward, firing off his pistol while suspended in the air

Forward Tilt - Fist dematerializes and reappears a few inches in front of opponent, jabbing them
Down Tilt - While on the ground throws shoulder forward to bash opponent
Up Tilt - Throws shoulder spike into the air and spins around in a circle

Forward Smash - Grabs chain and slashes ferociously in front of him, arcing diagonally
Up Smash - Punches both fists together creating an explosion above
Down Smash - Pulls out two pistols and points them diagonally towards the ground on both sides. Firing them to create a point blank blast effect.

Up Special - Grapple Chain: Spins the chain over his head one time and will launch his chain into the air. If it catches an opponent they will be wrapped into the chain in which he will slam opponent onto the ground.

Standard Smash - Mach Punch: Mach Rider dematerializes completely and will rematerialize a few inches from the previous point and deliver a powerful explosive punch.

Forward Special - Gatlin: He will pull out a gatling gun like one on his bike and fire it in rapid succession. While fast due to it's weight Mach Rider finds it difficult to move. It can be dropped and used by other characters.

Down Special - Swipe: Sweeps the ground in a horizontal arc with his chain, damaging and possibly tripping opponent.

Aerial- Swipes chain forward
Forward Aerial - Kicks foot up and forward while in the air
Back Aerial - Swings arm around him while his fist is clenched, hitting opponent with the back of his fist
Up Aerial - Upper body dematerializes and lunges skyward at opponent, slamming them with a powerful blow with both fists
Down Aerial - Kicks one boot down with force

Grab - Throws chain forward
A - Punches down into opponent
Forward Throw - Pulls opponent forward and uses his hands to pick the character up by their chest, almost as though they had a jacket, and hurls them forward.
Back Throw - Spins opponent around throwing them behind him
Down Throw - Pulls them closer and has one foot atop the character and with the other he stomps on them
Up Throw - Runs opponent on the ground with his chain and tosses them into the air

Final Smash - Mach Bike: Mach Rider summons his bike that he can ride around the stage for a set amount of time. He is able to run over opponents, fire the guns mounted on his bike, and jump to be able to scale platforms. He has more control over his bike than Wario, but the increase in speed potentiallt makes it dangerous on small stages. After time his up his bike crashes and Mach Rider will defragment and pull himself back together on thr stage. A throwback to the old NES Mach Rider game.

WOW , this is EPIC!!!

Wow, i thought you weren't a "fanboy"

 

[Starphoenix]

I'm not a fanboy, just felt like describing how I could see him playing.

Also, a gatling gun isn't that big of a deal, just look towards Power Stone 2. It can be done in a cartoony way that does not border on realism.

I doubt Mewtwo was replaced.

Also Starphoenix, potentially bad news for Ghirahim ChronoBound posted on the last page.

I saw. I'm thinking it is Vaati now who is the "master". Not certain, but I'm starting to think it is a very real possibility.

 

[Aurane]

Neone like my Mienshao moveset?

 

[OmegaXXII]

Vaati will be in SS? or do you mean as most likely than Tingle?

 

[Starphoenix]

Vaati will be in SS? or do you mean as most likely than Tingle?

I'm thinking Vaati will be the "Ganondorf"/"Ganon" of Skyward Sword. Which in turn would probably help him out a lot.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I'm thinking Vaati will be the "Ganondorf"/"Ganon" of Skyward Sword.

Interesting, this whole time I thought Vaati was exclusive to Toon Link's game, if that's the case, it changes everything about Vaati being likely then.

 

[y.toonlink]

Wait, since when did he have a chain like Ghost Rider?

Looks good tho Star

 

[Deleted member]

I saw. I'm thinking it is Vaati now who is the "master". Not certain, but I'm starting to think it is a very real possibility.

I personally hope its Vaati and not Ganondorf. If that is the case, Vaati would likely make the roster as the fifth Zelda rep and I would consider supporting him. There has been a rumor of him getting in this game anyway and if its true, it'll boost his chances.

BTW, what made Vaati gain a large fan base back in the Brawl day and why was he interesting?

Interesting, this whole time I thought Vaati was exclusive to Toon Link's game, if that's the case, it changes everything about Vaati being likely then.

Vaati did not appear in any Toon games.

 

[Opelucid]

Neone like my Mienshao moveset?

I didn't look at it but Mienshao isnt very likely so...

 

[y.toonlink]

Vaati did not appear in any Toon games.

Yes he did, he was in Minish Cap and Four Swords

 

[Starphoenix]

Interesting, this whole time I thought Vaati was exclusive to Toon Link's game, if that's the case, it changes everything about Vaati being likely then.

Think of it this way. Vaati was killed in The Minish Cap, yet sealed in Four Swords Adventures. Somewhere along the line, unless Nintendo really is lying about the whole every game is connected bit, something happened with him in-between being "dead" and being sealed. We do not know where Minish Cap places in terms of Skyward Sword as both games precede most every other Zelda game in the historical timeline. Not only that but the guy directing the game, Hidemaro Fujibayashi, developed Oracle of Ages/Seasons and The Minish Cap.

It isn't the strongest of cases. Just something to think about.

 

[Aurane]

No one's likely towards what I saw, so that's why I posted it. You can't expect characters like Mega Man and Mach Rider for SSB4. You can dream, but not expect. If it were my decision, all the characters would be pokemon. Poke-Smash @ y.toonlink You beat me to it

 

[OmegaXXII]

Think of it this way. Vaati was killed in The Minish Cap, yet sealed in Four Swords Adventures. Somewhere along the line, unless Nintendo really is lying about the whole every game is connected bit, something happened with him in-between being "dead" and being sealed. We do not know where Minish Cap places in terms of Skyward Sword as both games precede most every other Zelda game in the historical timeline. Not only that but the guy directing the game, Hidemaro Fujibayashi, developed Oracle of Ages/Seasons and The Minish Cap.

It isn't the strongest of cases. Just something to think about.

Yeah, Zelda has always had a twisted plotline full of loopholes and endless timelines, it's definetly hard to figure out which story is which, but the whole Minish Cap business does seem to make sense.

 

[y.toonlink]

@Star
Did you think of Vaati because Ghirahim looks similar?

 

[Starphoenix]

@Star
Did you think of Vaati because Ghirahim looks similar?

No, I thought of him due to who is directing the game and the potential to tie into Ocarina of Time, The Minish Cap and Four Swords Adventures.

 

[OmegaXXII]

@Star
Did you think of Vaati because Ghirahim looks similar?

I'm guessing not.

 

[y.toonlink]

Ah I see, I just thought Ghirahim was Vaati the first time I saw him (blue skin and light hair). The theory of the same director is interesting though.

@Omega
I can see that

 

[Sunnysunny]

No one's likely towards what I saw, so that's why I posted it. You can't expect characters like Mega Man and Mach Rider for SSB4. You can dream, but not expect. If it were my decision, all the characters would be pokemon. Poke-Smash @ y.toonlink You beat me to it

I'll be honest man.
It wasn't that interesting. There wasn't any style to it.

Mienshaos cool n all, but ya gotta incorporate some personality or fighting style into its gameplay too. I imagine mienshao would be really nimble and acrobatic. Then just figure out how to build her gameplay around that.

 

[Aurane]

Let's see some moveset swaps! I mentioned it B4, but Mr. Sakurai is thinking about the game 4 RPG style... Well as I thought of that, I had an idea. We need better use for our coins. I, personally, am sick of that god for saken coin machine. Well, what if we could buy new moves for the character? The (B) moves to be exact. Make'm pricy, too. I want use for my coins, one way or another (I have all the trophies! X_X) @Sunny Eh, you're right. Why didn't I think of that -_- but yeah, I'll talk with my bud and we'll figure something out.

 

[Opelucid]

Why don't you just call him Sakurai instead of Mr.Sakurai? Anyway I think buying new moves for characters would be kind of stupid it kind of reminds me of Mortal Kombat