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[OmegaXXII]

Smash isn't canon though, his moves aren't supposed to make sense, take a look at Falcon.

 

[Metal Overlord]

HE DOES. Though, I'm not sure how I would incorporate them into a moveset. He's a "realistic" fellow, so his gun may not be cartoony enough? At the same time though, he's from the future so I guess that wouldn't be a problem. EVEN SO, how would it be different than the space animals' blasters? Horizontal Bullet Seed? I guess that could work. May stun them long enough for him to get an F-Smash in?

THINKING ALOUD HERE...

...I really want to give him a "Mach Punch" Special since he and Falcon are total bros, but I doubt many would like that, lol.

Hmmm, good point? Maybe he could shoot a laser gun where the ammo sticks for a couple of seconds and then explodes (of course, the knockback would depend on the damage accumulated by the foe)? I dunno, I'm just making up crap now, but what do you think?

I don't think people would really protest against a Mach Punch for Mach Rider as he would already a unique feature about him.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Mach Punch? You mean like Falcon's?

 

[Deleted member]

Smash isn't canon though, his moves aren't supposed to make sense, take a look at Falcon.

I think the difference is that Captain Falcon literally pulled his move set out of his butt. Zoroark has things to work with from the games/anime and I personally expect the Illusion ability to at least be faithful.

However, I'm not really going to expect that to happen since as you said, Smash isn't canon.

 

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Since we're debating what Zoroark as a character could do here's a quick thing from my info thread I grabbed that Sakurai has stated on character inclusion.

1. The character's inclusion must make people want to play the game.

2. The character must be unique.

3. The character must fit into the style of Super Smash Bros.

4. They must contribute to the game balance.

I'll let someone else fill in the blanks.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Where did you gather that info from? I'll answe it.

 

[Oasis_S]

How did Meta Knight contribute to the game balance.

But seriously, what exactly does that last point mean...?

 

[Pachinkosam]

sometimes captain falcon moves fell so weird and i hate olimar

 

[Opelucid]

Quote:
1. The character's inclusion must make people want to play the game.
People already play pokemon anyway so

2. The character must be unique.
Illusion

3. The character must fit into the style of Super Smash Bros.
If Peach can fit in so can Zoroark she has a similar body structure to Lucario and Mewtwo.

4. They must contribute to the game balance.
:/

 

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Where did you gather that info from? I'll answe it.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=146816

People really should be using the info thread besides me and Shortie.

How did Meta Knight contribute to the game balance.

But seriously, what exactly does that last point mean...?

As for MK, would a spacing character help balance him?

 

[OmegaXXII]

I think the difference is that Captain Falcon literally pulled his move set out of his butt. Zoroark has things to work with from the games/anime and I personally expect the Illusion ability to at least be faithful.

However, I'm not really going to expect that to happen since as you said, Smash isn't canon.

Yeah I guess, even he Zoroark does have something to base on I think he style in which his moves are performed should be slightly altered, unless it's a cool move already?

 

[Opelucid]

I kind of want to work on a moveset any suggestions?

 

[Aurane]

Speed: Mid-Slow
Weight Class: HeavyWeight

(A): 1st is a punch, 2nd is a kick. Like Yoshi, just a 1-2, 1-2.
(A)^Normal: Firey uppercut
(A)>Normal: Switches facing sides, and uses both feet to kick (Double Kick)
(A)v Normal: Punches the ground, like Mario's (A)> Aerial, but on the ground.

(A)^ Smash: Typh's fists fires up, then scorches an awesome Double Fire Punch straight up, but with a step foward first.
(A)> Smash: He charges his fire power, and blasts the ground with Flame Burst. Compare to Snake's (A)> Smash, but can activate faster.
(A)v: Typh's body starts to straighten and glow, while his foot raises, then he drops his foot, causing a <- to -> firequake.

Grab:
Beat up: He Punches them in the gut, not very fast succession.
Throw >: He slams their feet on the ground, paralyzing them temporarly, then headbutts them with a flared up head.
Throw ^: Typh uppercuts them, and hard.
Throw v: He makes them lie, then stomps them 3 times in quick succession.

Taunt:
>: He Laughs, like he does in a certain episode on Pokemon Chronicles...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN7JI7L_vdQ&feature=related for Typh Lol

v: He stomps once, laughs a little darker than the vid, then stomps again, but with the opposite foot.

^: He spits some fire, and growls faintly, eyes closed

(B): Flame Burst
He charges his fire power into his mouth. When he's done, he can either hold it or fire it. If he holds it, his neck will shine with fire a little bit.

(B)>: Inferno
Typh grabs, then releases a powerful fire unto the opponent, automatically dropping them. Compare to Gannondorf's (B)>. Does nothing If there is no connection of the grab.

(B)^: Double Kick
He kicks the air Twice, being able to save himself. Like Pikachu's (B)^, but has more control, and more time to activate the 2nd kick.

(B)v: Defense Curl
Typh locks his body, making knockback very difficult and damage reduced. Can only last 3 seconds, but if the seconds are done, Typh will get up quickly and send a fire wave 1 Character space ahead and behind him, for countering.

FS: Blast Burn
Typh roars a mighty roar, then blasts the entire screen with massive Fire balls from the sky. His back will be on fire and will shoot directly into the sky. Like Ness's FS, but more time, and makes Typh more powerful until he's taken down, like DK.

Credits go to... Me. Lol

 

[OmegaXXII]

Hmm..the last one really is a tricky one, how would that be answered in which it would make sense?

 

[Opossum]

@sw96

Why hate Olimar specifically? He's unique, a good fighter, and comes from a good game. Just curious.

Anyway, @ Opelucid, how about a DHD or Sukapon moveset? Haven't seen too many of those...

 

[OmegaXXII]

Typhlosion Moveset? I would prefer him be a starter along with Chikorita and Croconaw with a 2nd gen starter.

 

[Opelucid]

@sw96

Why hate Olimar specifically? He's unique, a good fighter, and comes from a good game. Just curious.

Anyway, @ Opelucid, how about a DHD or Sukapon moveset? Haven't seen too many of those...

Hmm? DHD or Sukapon not too familiar with them I'll give it a try I'm working on a Koopa moveset right now

Nice moveset by the way Asage

 

[Aurane]

Typhlosion Moveset? I would prefer him be a starter along with Chikorita and Croconaw with a 2nd gen starter.

I threw it out there for kicks. Maybe this time they can add the choice to be JUST ONE in a battle. I found it sick that I'd have to change back to Charizard after I go down. I know it's part of the trainer thing, but come on... We made Max Revives for a reason!

 

[OmegaXXII]

@Opposum: You support DHD? Yes, glad to see you are interested, Arcadenik created a moveset btw.

 

[Opossum]

@ Opelucid: Yeah, I picked them due to them being a challenge.

@ Omega: I'm indifferent on him. I wouldn't mind him, I just think he's a factor standing in the way of Muddy Mole.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I threw it out there for kicks. Maybe this time they can add the choice to be JUST ONE in a battle. I found it sick that I'd have to change back to Charizard after I go down. I know it's part of the trainer thing, but come on... We made Max Revives for a reason!

I really did like the moveset, but if Pokemon Trainers stamina got elimated that would be even better.

 

[Pachinkosam]

@sw96

Why hate Olimar specifically? He's unique, a good fighter, and comes from a good game. Just curious.

Anyway, @ Opelucid, how about a DHD or Sukapon moveset? Haven't seen too many of those...

i like olimar dont get me wrong. in brawl we fell weird and hard to play and yeah i still play pikmin 2

 

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Well going through those points these are my own thoughts on Zoroark:

1. If him and Victini are pretty even on popularity, but seeing as Victini will be getting a major boost due to his movie, who would people want more?

2. So far his only asset is his illusion ablilty, and so far neither I nor anyone else has come up with a good way on how to use it. So without it, like people have mentioned, he'd just be a non special Wolf and there's nothing good about that.

3. He would fit into Smash, no one can deny that.

4. So far no one has given a good way to use his illusion ability, so he'd just be a no special Wolf, so it's not really adding anything to the game balance.

So he works, in my opinion, for 1 out of 4 of these reasons to get in.

Well I got to go do some work, when I get back I'll post my roster and explanation. Later.

 

[OmegaXXII]

@Opposum: Muddy Mole and Duck Hunt Dog are definetly both obscure looking choices, however since I support DHD I would probably go with him instead.

 

[Opossum]

@sw96

Oh, I see. Yeah, I can see how he'd be hard to learn. It took me a while. Off topic, but I still need to play Pikmin 2 completely. Can't find a decent copy around here...

@ Omega

Yeah, I figure either one would work for the "WTF" character, as much as I hate that term...

 

[SubparSmashBrother]

Zoroark is just a wolf clone? Nobody can come up with a good use for illusion?

These are just baseless claims you just made up because you're biased against zoroark

 

[Pachinkosam]

opossum u check on ebay for a pikmin 2

 

[Aurane]

Zoroark is just a wolf clone? Nobody can come up with a good use for illusion?

These are just baseless claims you just made up because you're biased against zoroark

Totally missed what I said, then lol. It's a great counter attack method. If not, Kirby wins again -_-

 

[Shorts]

Say what you want, I don't really care. But until someone comes up with a unique way, that doesn't involve being a knock off of a Mortal Kombat, or Soul Calibur character, to include Illusion, I just don't want him playable.

I'm sure there is a way to make Illusion work, but I have yet to see it. Until then, I prefer Victini (Well, really I prefer Genesect, but yaknow)

 

[Deleted member]

1. The character's inclusion must make people want to play the game.

Is a popular request in the West, but there are two major problems with it. One is that the amount of supporters he has is declining as we speak as more and more people show preference towards Victini (and Genesect/Meloetta if they get a 2012 movie release) and two is that he isn't wanted in Japan as well (then again, Victini isn't mentioned much either). If we end up with four slots and Zoroark replaces Lucario, I don't see him being in a positive spotlight when revealed.

2. The character must be unique.

Wouldn't be a clone, but if Illusion ability isn't implemented, there's nothing really that would stand out Zoroark gameplay-wise. Not to mention many people would complain if his Illusion ability is not faithful to the Pokemon games/anime movie.[/quote]

3. The character must fit into the style of Super Smash Bros.

Technically, any character that can fight (meaning almost any Pokemons) "fits".

4. They must contribute to the game balance.

Another thing to worry about if Zoroark gets in with his own illusion ability unaltered from the game. If the balance does not work out, it could potentially end up imbalancing it. And I'm pretty sure Sakurai would want to implement Zoroark's ability faithfully, otherwise, the Illusion will be either removed or be used in a similar fashion to Kirby (and Mega Man if he gets in with his own copying ability).

 

[Aurane]

I agree completly.

 

[Opossum]

You know who else I haven't seen many full movesets for? Lip. I'd really like to see one for her.

 

[Aurane]

Lip's... from a puzzle game, right?

 

[OmegaXXII]

I figure as so.

 

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Zoroark is just a wolf clone? Nobody can come up with a good use for illusion?

These are just baseless claims you just made up because you're biased against zoroark

1. Technically I did give a base, and they're what Sakurai has stated on character selection.

2. So far I feel no one has given a good reason for his illusion ability. If you have one, I think I speak for everyone in saying that I'd love to hear it.

3. People have been stating he'd play in a similar style to Wolf, and without a unique distinction, yes he would be a Wolf clone, until someone can properly give him a unique gameplay idea.

4. You're flamming, please calm down.

5. We all have our own opinions so please respect them, and if you do feel differently then by all means debate them, that is what this thread is for.

 

[MechaWave]

opossum u check on ebay for a pikmin 2

No. Just torrent it.

$0.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I got a Lip moveset Opposum.

 

[Davidreamcatcha]

Has anyone actually figured out a Little Mac set yet?

 

[Aurane]

Zoroark is not a F***in Wolf! He's a Fox! Look in the Pokedex, people...

 

[SubparSmashBrother]

If Zoroark is a wolf clone then victini is a Ness clone.

>both are psychic and similar body types
>fusion bolt = pk thunder
>searing flame = pk fire!!
>v-create = pk starstorm