New Falco vids! (I need help against Peach.)

Rubyiris · Mar 31, 2009

Miggz · Apr 1, 2009

Nice Falco! I liked a lot of your edge game tricks. Good job mixing up your recovery and all that jazz. Its a shame that one time you shorten you illusion and it got you tipped. What are the chances? lol

I will say this though, you seem to be more confident on bigger stages. When you was on Fountain of Dreams you weren't pressuring the Marth all that much. I know executing a proper laser assault is tougher on that stage, but you should have applied pressure with a lot more SHFFL dair/nair to shines. Oh and know when to attempt that light shield edge guard. You were attempting it way too soon. I'd recommend using it when Marth is recovering from below the stage. You also messed up your DI a bit. Around 1:55 is a perfect example.

Keep up the good work. Forward is teaching you well. XD

Rubyiris · Apr 1, 2009

Forward helped me with my OOS game, but my vs Marth game is all experience vs JetFour, and another local AZ Marth Main that doesn't post.

I have played against Forward's Marth, but I used Jigglypuff. <_<

Rubyiris · Apr 22, 2009

Though the vid is a bit old, and there's a new tourney coming up soon, I figured I'd just use this board, rather than make a new one, and clutter the boards with topics made by me, lol.

Ok, so I'm starting to play with Forward, GamerGuitarist7, and Jet4, every Monday, which is ****ing amazing. I get ***** so hard, but I learn so much. With Jet4, and GG7, I've gotten so much Falcon practice, that I pretty much **** any Falcon player who simply isn't just a better player than me. Usually when the other player is simply better than me, or simply knows how I play, they can usually beat me with any character they feel comfortable with.

I got to play Forwards Marth again, using Falco. This only further cements my hate of the match up, despite it being the one match up I know more than any other character in the game. In order of character experience it goes:

Marth - Falcon - Fox - Falco - everyone else.

I've noticed some new habits I've developed that need to be broken. I've also developed some new trixies.

My biggest habit at the moment are:

1. I almost always tech behind characters who've thrown me. I didn't notice until Jet4 pointed it out to me. I'm working on fixing it.

2. I've fallen back into an aggressive playstyle. I change up my approach, but not enough, again something Jet4 pointed out. For example, instead of changing my approach ever time, I fall into patterns. The pattern isn't immediately recognizable, but after a while, it becomes a bit obvious, and easily exploitable, making me shield-grab food. The most noticable pattern is that I do an approach twice.

IE: 2 raising aerials. 2 late aerials. 2 grabs. 2 approaching shield. etc.

This will be the habit i will have the most problem fixing. I can feel it already. **** is going to be HARD.

The good thing, however is that I don't always go laser - laser aerial anymore. This was pointed out so many times in my old videos.

One thing I don't ever do, and need to is retreating aerials.

One trick I implemented into my game a little after jet4 told me about my teching habits was a DI fake-out. Most players tech the direction they DI. I've implemented DIing one direction, and teching in the complete opposite. I change this up to keep players guessing, but it thre him off for several matches, so I'm pretty proud of myself for noticing this right away. It's definitely not new, but it's something I never see done, and it's pretty ****.

I'm starting to become consciously aware of edge-canceling opportunities. I'm still *** at it, but It's extremely easy to ledge-cancel lasers, bairs, and of course illusions, but I'm working on being able to ledge cancel with every aerial move with every character I use.

My edgeguarding needs some work, but it's getting better.

I started to grab more. Falco players: GRAB MOAR. It's ****. Bthrow is a godsend versus floaty characters.

I learned some tricks against Jigglypuff, too. I'm becoming more and more accustomed to the match. I've also learned that many tactics vs Jigglypuff is universal against most float characters.

The one trick I learned specifically, besides random other subconscious tricks I've learned is that bthrow is sooooo good. It combos so well. Falco can chase pretty much any DI after a bthrow and follow it up with any aerial. Same against characters like Marth, and Peach, and other floaters. It really opens up his grab game. I'm surprised more players don't try this. Bthrow is pretty ****ing balls for edgeguard, however. It doesn't send them at a good angle for edgeguard opportunities, as it's usually unsafe to approach them off-stage. At that point, it's usually better just to uthrow.

sprint2k · Apr 23, 2009

"One trick I implemented into my game a little after jet4 told me about my teching habits was a DI fake-out. Most players tech the direction they DI. I've implemented DIing one direction, and teching in the complete opposite. I change this up to keep players guessing, but it thre him off for several matches, so I'm pretty proud of myself for noticing this right away. It's definitely not new, but it's something I never see done, and it's pretty ****."

don't actively think to di one direction and tech the other thinking you'll trick your opponent. the only way to trick your opponent is for it to be random or to guess their patterns.

SO many people do what you do that it gets punished a lot. I used to do the same until a good friend pointed it out and told me you can't think such obvious things because other people will expect it and punish you.

Rubyiris · Apr 24, 2009

sprint2k said:
"One trick I implemented into my game a little after jet4 told me about my teching habits was a DI fake-out. Most players tech the direction they DI. I've implemented DIing one direction, and teching in the complete opposite. I change this up to keep players guessing, but it thre him off for several matches, so I'm pretty proud of myself for noticing this right away. It's definitely not new, but it's something I never see done, and it's pretty ****."

don't actively think to di one direction and tech the other thinking you'll trick your opponent. the only way to trick your opponent is for it to be random or to guess their patterns.

SO many people do what you do that it gets punished a lot. I used to do the same until a good friend pointed it out and told me you can't think such obvious things because other people will expect it and punish you.

Lol, obviously? =\

It's just another trick to add to the rock paper scissors game of tech chasing. You think I really didn't already know that? =\

V3ctorMan · May 9, 2009

Play WITH ME AND AXE MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!! =D

Rubyiris · May 9, 2009

Move back, and I will. =D

Rubyiris · Jun 4, 2009

Please excuse the double post.

Bumping with new content!

Overload · Jun 4, 2009

A lot of these videos won't work because the URLs contain malformed video IDs.

Rubyiris · Jun 4, 2009

I fixed the link problem.

battousai555 · Jun 5, 2009

Good stuff. Main things to work on (from what I observed in teh vids vs. cooper):
-Be more careful with your approach! You were shield-grabbed way too many times, which led to up-smashes to the cojones (no s***). Make sure you time the dair/nair as late as possible. I'm sure you know from frame data that you can be shield-grabbed after you jump out of shine to start the next pillar, so either mix up your timing of the pillar, space your aerials so that you're either behind him or out of his grab-range, or approach safely (i.e. late dair/nair->shine->jc grab/jc shine).

-Punish missed l-cancels and stuff with shine OoS more. Up-smash OoS works too methinks, but shine OoS-> bair is better (as Shiz demonstrates all day).

Keep up the good work, my dude. I'm sure you know what you did wrong, but hopefully I helped a little.

Rubyiris · Jun 5, 2009

In my defense, I wasn't playing very well the first game, but I brought it back.. but yeah, I missed a lot of l-cancels those first two games.

I didn't know that from frame data, because I never pay attention to that, but I knew from experience. Forward, GamerGuitarist7, and JetFour did that **** to me so many times, that I just ended up figuring out what was happening over time, lol.

I'm working on my OOS game. It's still very mediocre. I'll get better at it over time, however.

battousai555 · Jun 6, 2009

Rubyiris said:
In my defense, I wasn't playing very well the first game, but I brought it back.. but yeah, I missed a lot of l-cancels those first two games.

I didn't know that from frame data, because I never pay attention to that, but I knew from experience. Forward, GamerGuitarist7, and JetFour did that **** to me so many times, that I just ended up figuring out what was happening over time, lol.

I'm working on my OOS game. It's still very mediocre. I'll get better at it over time, however.

It's all good. All of us mere mortals have games in which we don't play to our full potential.

Our Falcos play fairly similarly. Let me know if you ever need housing in Norcal, my dude.

Shaeman111 · Jun 7, 2009

lucky ***** i dont get to play anyone around here >.>
i cant just come and say "yeah im bout to go play m2k or forward in a few minutes"

im so envious.

Rubyiris · Jun 7, 2009

Shaeman111 said:
lucky ***** i dont get to play anyone around here >.>
i cant just come and say "yeah im bout to go play m2k or forward in a few minutes"

im so envious.

It's not like I always got to play with Forward.

Rubyiris · Jun 14, 2009

Bumping with alot of new content.

JPOBS · Jun 14, 2009

uptilt is your friend.

use it more.

especially vs peach

Rubyiris · Jun 15, 2009

utilt is bad against peach lol. I use it too much and get ***** for it.

JPOBS · Jun 15, 2009

? in what way?

utilt vs peach (and floaties in general) is a godsend. Shine pushes them too high to get any useful combos and normally you can only get like 3 hits off and its not really good for combo'ing.
uptilt on the other hand keeps them at perfect height.
you can sh aerial to uptilt (or two if they dotn di well the first time) to more sh aerials rinse repeat.

plus its GREAT as a defensive move because of its priority and good range.
the only time i really use shine vs floaties is for shield pressure otherwise i replace shines with utilt.

the only time i could see you getting ***** for it is if you like utitled into their sheild from the front or something crazy

Rubyiris · Jun 15, 2009

every time i've ever tried to utilt vs peach and floaties, especially during combos, I got aerialed out of it. =\

JPOBS · Jun 15, 2009

i dont relly know what to say, utilt is universally considered great vs peach and co. =/

Archangel · Jun 15, 2009

**** Rubyiris your Falco is kinda snapping in most of them. It seemed in the matches you lost it was mostly do to you making a mistake and Killing yourself and not that you where outplayed. I like your movement though. I can't get the hang of Falco's movement but I've been using him lately. Idk I just have a hard time wavedashing with him so I roll alot and I can't seem to move fluidly...Idk I just seem kinda stiff like tin-man or something. You got some nice moves though.

Rubyiris · Jun 15, 2009

I'm still working on my movement. I have problems with my hand locking up, occasionally.

I'm still having random problems like;

Random rolls/spot dodges are almost always failed shine OOS, failed dair, and failed WD OOS.
Walking, and getting hit by an attack is almost always a failed run.
pulling a forward is actually usually a failed shine.
Randomly running, ducking, sitting them for a moment, then either running or wavedashing is a failed running shine.
Dropping down and falling to my death is a failed ledge-hopped aerial.
Dropping down and doing a firebird is a failed double laser.
Dropping down and illusioning is a failed ledge-hopped illusion.

There are probably more, but those are my most common errors that lead to deaths. I've been playing under the "play alone without AR glitch.", and it's improving my technical consistency, since I'm not building bad habits from beating up on computers for 10 hours, but I still have problems.

There are other random problems I have, like random full jumps when I try to wave dash, and jumping from the ledge, rather than doing a ledge-hop, due to my painted shell interfering with the controller. I changed back to a normal shell to fix this problem, so no johns on that. =x

Overall, even if I usually lose to my own mistakes, there are players in my area who do beat me by outplaying me, and I usually get ***** pretty hard by them. xD

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=236785

our PR. Everyone above me on the rankings CONSISTENTLY 3-stocks any of my characters with any of their characters. The skill gap between 3rd place (Me) and 1st and 2nd place is huge, and the skill gap between them, and Forward is even larger.

Archangel · Jun 15, 2009

It's almost depressing isn't it. The Peach player I play against got motivated to play seriously after he went to NJ for awhile about a year ago and got 4-stocked by M2K 2 or 3 times...LOL I would love the opportunity to play some good pro's I'm gonna go on a Smash vacation someday so I can play people like Shiz, M2K...Scar...etc. Not sure I can win but If I don't get 4 stocked or even 3 stocked I'll be happy.

unknown522 · Jun 15, 2009

Falco's my secondary, I may be able to help with the sheik matchup.

Rubyiris · Jun 16, 2009

Marth is probably my worst match at the moment.

JPOBS · Jun 16, 2009

marth is easy once you dont get grabbed.

be on point with your sheild pressure, and mix it up like dont just dair his sheild, throw in rising nairs to prevent shield grabs, and when his shield gets smaller try short hopped shines to poke the sheild on the top, and dj to aerial

imo this matchup is about keeping marth on the defensive, at all times. imo, you're most safe when his sheild is up so keep up the laser pressure and force him into his sheild a lot and then either grab, or poke it with shines and rack up damage.

imo there wont be a lot of extended combos on marth so you want to just get 15-20 percent quickies, and then go for bairs or tech read fsmashs at like 100, get him off stage, take his jumps with lasers, edgehog.

edit: lol this was without watching your vids vs marth, just general junk i'll watch and update lol
edit 2:

kk i watched the machs vs MoTT not bad.
just a few small things. first of all, know when a combo vs marth is over. you seem to like to go for the "homerun" play and end stocks early which is good vs fastfallers but marth can generally fair out of shine->dair->shine->dair combos at low-mid percents before you can get the second shine out so either be smart about it and use uptilt after the first dair up it has a higher hitbox or run away and start to pew pew again.

i generally dont like a lot of fsmash vs marth and you use it more than i certainly would. just because unless you space it right every time your asking to get sheild grabbed to ****. and dont forget about your dtilt it pokes his sheild really well.

use moar sheild pressure mixups instead of just standard pillar affair. shinegrab (if you can, i cant lul), empty short hop through his sheild and reverse ftilt/fsmash, uptilt. shine to bair in front, DI the bair through his body, and start to pillar the back....nah meen holmes?

Archangel · Jun 16, 2009

Rubyiris said:
Marth is probably my worst match at the moment.

I like playing Marths with Falco. You can win as long as you can avoid getting CG'd and combo Killed.

unknown522 · Jun 16, 2009

^ Same here. I find fighting marth with falco soooo much easier than with fox. I feel like I don't have to put as much matches.

Anyways, I watched some of these matches. Here's some random advice:

In general, you need to work on your combo game and edgeguarding. A lot of the time, you have the right idea, but you miss time the edgeguards. You should try to punish marth's side-b in the air, when he's close to the stage. When he's far away, just laser him a bunch of times, to force him low. You also need to shoot more lasers in general, while not moving into attacks.

You also need to work on tech skill. Try not to get shield grabbed while pressuring by doing lower aerials. You can also grab more randomly.

use less F-smash randomly. You leave yourself open a lot with it. Use more laser instead, to force openings.

Don't full jump so much. Approaching marth from above is bad. If you do get above him with an opening, try to go behind him, so he can't punish you.

Need more u-tilt during combos, or to start combos.

everything else is pretty much said by JPOBS.

Rubyiris · Jun 16, 2009

I'm garbage at edge guarding, and mediocre at tech chasing. They are the two things I'm doing my best to improve at the moment.

Archangel · Jun 17, 2009

Rubyiris said:
I'm garbage at edge guarding, and mediocre at tech chasing. They are the two things I'm doing my best to improve at the moment.

You just have to make a conscious effort to do so. I've been forcing myself to tech chase and edge guard. I've been doing it forcefully even if it costs me to lose. By doing that it's forced me to get better at it. I hope to put some new vids up. I feel I've got much better in 2 weeks with all much characters.

unknown522 · Jun 17, 2009

also, what you can do because you're falco is spam moves where they land. If they miss a tech, you still get a combo off of it. Your move are also fast enough to still let you tech chase them even if they do tech. Keep the pressure on even if you fail the tech chase.

Rubyiris · Jun 17, 2009

that's what I usually do, kinda. I like to spam bair alot. Especially when edgeguarding.

Scar · Jun 18, 2009

Spam_arrows said:
It's almost depressing isn't it. The Peach player I play against got motivated to play seriously after he went to NJ for awhile about a year ago and got 4-stocked by M2K 2 or 3 times...LOL I would love the opportunity to play some good pro's I'm gonna go on a Smash vacation someday so I can play people like Shiz, M2K...Scar...etc. Not sure I can win but If I don't get 4 stocked or even 3 stocked I'll be happy.

if you're in delaware m2k and i probably live like less than an hour from you. shiz is far.

Archangel · Jun 18, 2009

Scar said:
if you're in delaware m2k and i probably live like less than an hour from you. shiz is far.

That is true. Who knows sometime this summer I may come threw Penn. or NJ. Then maybe we can have some matches....you'll go easy on me though right? :chuckle:

BiN Breezy · Jun 19, 2009

Prety sweet falco. The only thing that I can say is that shoot more lasers while they are trying to get back on the stage. It adds a little bit of damage and also messes there recovery a bit and gives you a chance to punish them.

everlasting yayuhzz · Jun 19, 2009

unknown522 said:
^ Same here. I find fighting marth with falco soooo much easier than with fox. I feel like I don't have to put as much matches.

Anyways, I watched some of these matches. Here's some random advice:

In general, you need to work on your combo game and edgeguarding. A lot of the time, you have the right idea, but you miss time the edgeguards. You should try to punish marth's side-b in the air, when he's close to the stage. When he's far away, just laser him a bunch of times, to force him low. You also need to shoot more lasers in general, while not moving into attacks.

You also need to work on tech skill. Try not to get shield grabbed while pressuring by doing lower aerials. You can also grab more randomly.

use less F-smash randomly. You leave yourself open a lot with it. Use more laser instead, to force openings.

Don't full jump so much. Approaching marth from above is bad. If you do get above him with an opening, try to go behind him, so he can't punish you.

Need more u-tilt during combos, or to start combos.

everything else is pretty much said by JPOBS.

WHAAAAAAT? Fox is soooooo much easier to use against Marth... How do you figure Falco is easier? :[

Archangel · Jun 19, 2009

I think people believe Falco is easier for 2 reasons. 1 Falco's lasers can stun him and 2 Dashizwiz's matches against Marths with Falco. However Fox can do good against Marth IMO as long as he doesn't get grabbed. Then your ****ed.

ArcNatural · Jun 19, 2009

Spam_arrows said:
I think people believe Falco is easier for 2 reasons. 1 Falco's lasers can stun him and 2 Dashizwiz's matches against Marths with Falco. However Fox can do good against Marth IMO as long as he doesn't get grabbed. Then your ****ed.

I honestly think the key to this matchup is OVERALL spacing. Not stuff like bair spacing so you don't get grabbed (that type of spacing is required in every match). But really when you decide to shffl or attack. If you in the middle of FD for example, doing a shffl against a dash dancing Marth even if you compensate for the dash away is usually a bad idea since they can just dash further.

You generally can only really compensate for dashes away when you have them trapped near edges. When your in the middle of the stage, it's incredibly important IMO to bait a TON. Sh waveland back, wavedash back, empty sh dash, in general dash dancing, occasional double jump baiting, etc. The reason being if you EVER get predictable in your approaches it's easiest to get ***** from it at the middle of the stage. Since they will just hang out around the edge of the middle ground and the edge of the stage and just create opportunities.

I could honestly go on and on about this, but you can easily watch pro videos to notice this. There is much more feinting in the middle of stages than at the edges, since at the edges your more likely to force a true defensive position or hit/grab them.

This just is really important for the Fox/Marth matchup, because Fox wins on the stage unless your approach/defensive patterns get too predictable.

Edit: didn't realize where I was on the boards lol, but this semi holds true for Falco as well, the difference being your laser is a lot more annoying.

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