New Characters for Project M Discussion Thread (Voting Closed)

[red9rd]

Masked Man would be a fun one, yeah. Mother could use another rep that's not Ninten. Did he show up in Brawl as a sticker or trophy?

yeah he did as a sticker.

 

[AnOkayDM]

yeah he did as a sticker.

How does he fight in the game? I've neither played nor watched it yet, so I don't know much besides he has a cool sword, a gun arm, and can shoot lightning.

 

[red9rd]

How does he fight in the game? I've neither played nor watched it yet, so I don't know much besides he has a cool sword, a gun arm, and can shoot lightning.

It's been a while but from What I remember He has all of Lucas moves plus more, an arm Cannon, Demon wings, a bad ass sword, and a cyborg body

Spoiler

 

[Celestis]

I do not think he was really a Cyborg.. But this is not the thread for that topic x]. But yeah, that's pretty much it there. Hes like Zero meets Ness/Lucas.

 

[red9rd]

I do not think he was really a Cyborg.. But this is not the thread for that topic x]. But yeah, that's pretty much it there. Hes like Zero meets Ness/Lucas.

Isn't the character speculation and discussion thread best place for this.

 

[Alfonzo Bagpipez]

Masked Man seems really awesome.
I don't think there are many people out there that would have any real distaste for an additional Earthbound/Mother character.
On top of that, the idea of a character with PSI powers, a blaster, wings, and a sword is just dope.
I could see the PK Starstorm star thingies being modified to be what he fires from his blaster. He also has a lot of PK moves to choose from between Ness and Lucas, and all of those could possibly be modified to be something completely different as well.
This guy actually has a lot going for him, aside from a lack of popularity and the huge workload I suppose.
If he gets a voting option, I'd like to shift one of my 5 votes (probably Sukapon's or Isaac's) to Masked Man.

 

[Celestis]

A problem I see is that he has no voice.. That would lead the team to have to do voice acting, and I am not sure if an unofficial voice is something that is passable.

 

[red9rd]

A problem I see is that he has no voice.. That would lead the team to have to do voice acting, and I am not sure if an unofficial voice is something that is passable.

He doesn't need a voice at most we could give him some grunts.

 

[AnOkayDM]

A problem I see is that he has no voice.. That would lead the team to have to do voice acting, and I am not sure if an unofficial voice is something that is passable.

They can just modify some of Lucas's voice clips, since they're twins.

 

[red9rd]

They can just modify some of Lucas's voice clips, since they're twins.

damn, Great thinking.

 

[B.W.]

He's a twin. Maybe some slightly different pitched Lucas voices could be put on him.
Damn you Hero_42

I won't deny Masked Man being a potentially cool character if his sword, cannon and wings were a big part of his moveset.

 

[Celestis]

Yes! More love for him. This is good.

He doesn't need a voice at most we could give him some grunts.

They can just modify some of Lucas's voice clips, since they're twins.

Very true.

 

[red9rd]

We shall spread the word of the Masked Man

 

[PsionicSabreur]

I saw all this talk about Claus and just had to join in.

Here's what I think helps his case:
-Easy model to build. Flip Lucas's hair and add accesories. Should be much easier than a brand new character
-The Masked Man is virtually silent until the very end of the game. He's supposed to be eerily silent, so no harm in mostly copying Lucas's voice and then maybe even simplifying it to the sounds of just the attacks in most cases.
-Easy to copy from Lucas, but plenty of original attacks to use. Shield killer, lightning, jetpack, sword, etc.
-Lucas is pretty well-designed and a good base
-Non-protagonist Mother rep

Here's what I think hurts his case:
-Easily could be an alternate costume for Lucas
-Third clone-like mother character

Also, I'm fairly sure Claus is some sort of cyborg. In game he's specifically stated to not have a "heart," and the arm cannon might even be fused to him, since he never removes it.

 

[B.W.]

He's still not more important than

 

[red9rd]

I saw all this talk about Claus and just had to join in.

Here's what I think helps his case:
-Easy model to build. Flip Lucas's hair and add accesories. Should be much easier than a brand new character
-The Masked Man is virtually silent until the very end of the game. He's supposed to be eerily silent, so no harm in mostly copying Lucas's voice and then maybe even simplifying it to the sounds of just the attacks in most cases.
-Easy to copy from Lucas, but plenty of original attacks to use. Shield killer, lightning, jetpack, sword, etc.
-Lucas is pretty well-designed and a good base
-Non-protagonist Mother rep

Here's what I think hurts his case:
-Easily could be an alternate costume for Lucas
-Third clone-like mother character

Also, I'm fairly sure Claus is some sort of cyborg. In game he's specifically stated to not have a "heart," and the arm cannon might even be fused to him, since he never removes it.

It would be easy to make him Nonclone character while using assets from all sorts of characters.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

I want to give you all something to consider:

While I played Mother 3 and consider it one of my absolute favorite games of all time, I still hate the amount of spoilers of it in vBrawl. LOTS of other Mother/EarthBound fans do as well, whether they're casual or hardcore, they can say that such a giant amount of spoilers casually slung around a popular fighting game as if it didn't matter was pretty insensitive to say the least.

So, as for the Masked Man, his appearance would be like adding another spoiler to me. Do we really want to add another one?

I would actually be pretty excited for him...if Mother 3 had been legally released worldwide earlier. He wouldn't be a spoiler to the general gaming populace if, say, Mother 3 was released like 4 or 5 years before his official Smash appearance. So then we wouldn't have a problem.

In short, as fun as the Masked Man would be, he'd be another Mother 3 spoiler to add to the already obscene amount present. I hope this isn't too unreasonable an argument as to why he should be kept out...if you think it is, I'd like to hear your thoughts.

 

[AnOkayDM]

The thing is, at this point, the game has been out for seven years, so I don't think that should really matter by now...

 

[Alfonzo Bagpipez]

I want to give you all something to consider:

While I played Mother 3 and consider it one of my absolute favorite games of all time, I still hate the amount of spoilers of it in vBrawl. LOTS of other Mother/EarthBound fans do as well, whether they're casual or hardcore, they can say that such a giant amount of spoilers casually slung around a popular fighting game as if it didn't matter was pretty insensitive to say the least.

So, as for the Masked Man, his appearance would be like adding another spoiler to me. Do we really want to add another one?

I would actually be pretty excited for him...if Mother 3 had been legally released worldwide earlier. He wouldn't be a spoiler to the general gaming populace if, say, Mother 3 was released like 4 or 5 years before his official Smash appearance. So then we wouldn't have a problem.

In short, as fun as the Masked Man would be, he'd be another Mother 3 spoiler to add to the already obscene amount present. I hope this isn't too unreasonable an argument as to why he should be kept out...if you think it is, I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Ima have to agree with Hero on this one. If a game has been out for 3 - 5+ years, I think spoilers are a non-issue. I understand where you're coming from though, especially because Mother 3 is one of your all time favs.

 

[red9rd]

Not only that, How the hell did you not know who the Masked Man was after hearing about/seeing him for the first time. I don't think they were actually trying to hide who he was.

 

[PsionicSabreur]

It would be easy to make him Nonclone character while using assets from all sorts of characters.

Yeah, I realize that, I hope I didn't imply otherwise. I disagree that he'd take the bat wings from MK, though, because they're never used for flying, just to stabilize him while using the jetpack. I'd love to have a glide, though. Or a non-suicidal recovery. That would be pretty cool. If it were up to me he'd keep Lucas's double jump, though. Maybe he could be given higher gravity for a different physical feel (I believe Lucas already falls pretty fast, though)

Honestly, if Claus were added, he would be my main, no contest. There's a just a lot to take from Lucas that you don't have an excuse not to take. You'd pretty much be obligated to take USmash, (PK Love) and maybe DSmash. PSI magnet seems like a really useful and interesting tool, so I don't think it would be a good idea to ignore that as a possibility. What I was thinking was Claus could have an offensive version, the shield killer, which might deal extra damage and/or shield damage, but without projectile absorption, and maybe less pronounced or different movement effects. Just a random thought.
I'd prefer his sword style not be a direct rip from MK, though. Sword arcs, sure, but not the same weak barrage. Electric sword effects would certainly give Roy a run for his money, in my eyes.

I don't have anything to add on the subject of spoilers, but I doubt it will be an issue.

 

[Celestis]

I would not even think spoilers would be a consideration in this. I do not see the Spoilers in Brawl to be a big deal only cause people who do not know who Lucas is will just place everything from there as a Smash brothers excursive.. Um, thing? Lack of a better word.
I do not think the Masked man just being there will give anything away. That's like if someone has never played a Zelda game before. Is Ganon being there really spoiling anything? Just as long as Claus leaves his Mask on =3

 

[AnOkayDM]

Hell, I knew who the Masked Man really was before Brawl even launched, and I know basically nothing about the Mother series even now. If you managed to avoid spoilers about Lucas and Claus for this long, I'm legitimately impressed.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

Ima have to agree with Hero on this one. If a game has been out for 3 - 5+ years, I think spoilers are a non-issue. I understand where you're coming from though, especially because Mother 3 is one of your all time favs.

Yeah but it hasn't been out worldwide in different languages, at least officially. I can see what you and Hero are trying to say though, but have either of you actually played the game all the way through, with as little spoilers as possible? Mother 3 is INCREDIBLE this way, which is why I'm acting this way.

BTW yeah I figured out who the Masked Man actually was and it is sort of obvious. However, the game never actually tells you directly who he is until the absolute latest part of the game, and (this is important) the game never actually gives any PROOF regarding his identity. So, up until then, it's perfectly reasonable to doubt yourself like I started to despite having "put the pieces together" so to speak. After all, the Masked Man does some extremely terrible things that his true identity would never do.

I guess if he got in, I'd be on board if the Masked Man's name was never mentioned. Also, he should be totally silent like Power Suit Samus, so no voice clips from you know who. In the game he only ever says "..." after all, until the very end. If he's getting in he should be as mysterious and spoiler-free as possible.

Would this last thing be asking too much? Cuz if not I'd like to share a complete moveset for him, as I said he'd be cool as a character.

 

[Celestis]

Well uh.. I am the only one among my friends that Knows who he is. You must have just had that information spoiled some how.

I played the game and it was fantastic. But like I said. Masked man being in the game will spoil nothing.

 

[red9rd]

hell what about a crappy version of Samus's charge shot or one like Mega Mans

 

[Celestis]

Also, you said it has not been out in other languages yet. Well as far as I know, P:M is only out in English and Japanese. And Mother 3 has the Fan dub. I do not think P:M Having Masked man will affect anyone in other countries unless they are importers, ya know?

 

[Alfonzo Bagpipez]

I'd love to have a glide, though. Or a non-suicidal recovery. That would be pretty cool. If it were up to me he'd keep Lucas's double jump, though. Maybe he could be given higher gravity for a different physical feel (I believe Lucas already falls pretty fast, though)

Considering the tools Masked Man could potentially have at his disposal (DJC, A legit non-situational projectile, good range with his sword, spacie caliber speed), I think giving him a glide/hover would be a little too much (especially if he were to have hover cancel along with that). As a bit of a nerf for all of his overall potential, I'd suggest giving him a jetpack UpB, similar to ROB's UpB in vBrawl. He'll get considerable distance from it, but it'd be oh so punishable. He should also definitely be one of the lightest characters.

PSI magnet seems like a really useful and interesting tool, so I don't think it would be a good idea to ignore that as a possibility. What I was thinking was Claus could have an offensive version, the shield killer, which might deal extra damage and/or shield damage, but without projectile absorption, and maybe less pronounced or different movement effects

This is actually a really good idea. I could picture the attack lasting for a few frames and operating similarly to Marth's Shield Breaker. If this was going to be a thing, the ability to jump cancel out of it like Ness and Lucas is definitely too crazy.

Electric sword effects would certainly give Roy a run for his money, in my eyes.

If Masked Man is added, this is a requirement.

 

[Chzrm3]

From here on out "Esque" shall be used to refer to "Similar to the character referenced's move" "X" shall refer to "no ideas"


I assume you just mean the B moves.

Vine whip would of been able to work....If Leafs could learn it.
For Up B as a replacement I would suggest using wolf's Up B as a base for "Aerial Ace"

Side B could stay razor leaf but I have a better idea for what to do with razor leaf. I'd turn Side B into something Marth/Roy Esque since Leafeon specializes in Blade attacks Via Leaf blade.

Down B would have to be something unique. Perhaps a short range (Like 1 character model short) razor leaf shot from both sides. Not sure how that would work in the air

Neutral B could remain as synthesis ---> Solarbeam or be changed into Energy ball. Leafeon wouldn't be getting charges from attacks though so I would rather change Synthesis to charge faster while weakening solar beams power and making it shoot straight forwards instead of a 45* angle.


The other things I have to mention.
Forward smash should be Link Esque, slashing twice, once with the blade on it's head and another with the blade on it's tail.

Neutral air would be Meta knight Esque.

This character could literally be built off of other characters
Fair ---> Link
Bair --->Lucas. Tail would be slashing instead of kicking. No spike. Bucking could also be used but that's more of a horse's trait
Uair ----> X.
Dair ---> Considering Marth Esque but not sure.

Ftilt ---> Quick slash with Leaf blade from the head. Probably Marth Esque
Utilt ---> X
Dtilt ---> Falco Esque. Not as much launch power.
Jab ---> Two slashes with Headblade, third would be with the tail blade

Fsmash ----> as referenced above, Link Esque
Usmash ----> Backflip tail slash.
Dsmash ---> Spinning slash. Probably Squirtle Esque, but sends enemies horizontally.

...That's all I got.

Yeah! When you describe it like this, I can really see her in action. I especially love the idea of her tail and ears being used as blades throughout the moveset. : D

For Uair and Dair, I think Marth's sweeping Uair and Dair would actually work really well. Her nair could be that spinning attack that Sonic/Falco used to have - I don't think anyone has it now, so it wouldn't feel repetitive, and it'd fit well with the whole theme of the leaves cutting people up.

How do you think she'd throw? Sticking people with her tail and then tossing them away? Or is that a little too violent? XD

 

[l3thargy]

I'm giving a 1/2 vote to Masked man just so long as he remains silent, mysterious and spoiler free like EdgeTheLucas said (actually to be honest, I'll give him the 1/2 vote either way)

 

[Celestis]

I want to put a full vote on Masked Man!
I'm also agreeing with the Silence. He was mostly silent in the game as it was, so it fits.

 

[red9rd]

Yeah but it hasn't been out worldwide in different languages, at least officially. I can see what you and Hero are trying to say though, but have either of you actually played the game all the way through, with as little spoilers as possible? Mother 3 is INCREDIBLE this way, which is why I'm acting this way.

BTW yeah I figured out who the Masked Man actually was and it is sort of obvious. However, the game never actually tells you directly who he is until the absolute latest part of the game, and (this is important) the game never actually gives any PROOF regarding his identity. So, up until then, it's perfectly reasonable to doubt yourself like I started to despite having "put the pieces together" so to speak. After all, the Masked Man does some extremely terrible things that his true identity would never do.

I guess if he got in, I'd be on board if the Masked Man's name was never mentioned. Also, he should be totally silent like Power Suit Samus, so no voice clips from you know who. In the game he only ever says "..." after all, until the very end. If he's getting in he should be as mysterious and spoiler-free as possible.

Would this last thing be asking too much? Cuz if not I'd like to share a complete moveset for him, as I said he'd be cool as a character.

I played the game the all the way through and it was very very good, but also very predictable except the ending did not predict that at all.

 

[Johnknight1]

Cons
-Some people still think he's too big, which is ********.

I can't...

...stop...

...LAUGHING!!!!

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

Yay, people at least agreed on the last thing I said!

I don't believe I maxed out my half votes (did I, Anti Guy?), so I'd like to add another half vote for silent, mysterious, spoiler-free Masked Man.

It's getting late so I'll post my own version of a Masked Man moveset tomorrow after 3:00 or 4:00, whenever I get home from school.

 

[Chzrm3]

MM would be amazing. Honestly, anyone from Mother would be so cool, but I'm really loving the things you guys are talking about for MM.

 

[red9rd]

Found this bros thread about the Masked Man. its the last spoiler. I'm to lazy to go through the whole thing to delete the first four empty spoilers.

Spoiler

 

[ChronoBound]

The excellent job done with Shadow Queen Peach makes me confident that the team would be able to handle a character without any 3D incarnation (such as Sami or Lip), and come up with a high quality end product.

I really love the costumes overall (particularly Dr. Mario and the Hero of Time).

 

[MagnesD3]

If we get an earthbound character I would want to be porky in his mech suit.

 

[Malion]

slippy anyone?
kidding...

also I'm curious about names...
Masked Man might not have dialogue but he still has a name.
what will the announcer call him?

 

[B.W.]

Claus obviously.

If you didn't know that dude was Claus the first time you saw him, then Scooby Doo must be the most exciting show for you, god damn.