New Characters for Project M Discussion Thread (Voting Closed)

[AnOkayDM]

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That doesn't reconfirm third-party characters at all. They said they were only considering characters in Brawl, not considering every character in Brawl. They said no non-Nintendo characters, and that means no third-parties.

 

[Johnknight1]

How about they give Pichu the speed he deserves.

I'm talking faster than everyone but sonic.

Agreed. Pichu should be a zooming speed of light that will fight without any fright.

Pichu should also have:
-Some sort of Thunder Wave-esk attack (make that a down B or neutral B).

-A different form of up B. recovery. I would suggest making it like a Quick Attack/Fire Fox hybrid. Basically it would be flying super fast like something out of DBZ. It could do some damage and can serve as a weak combo with minimal knockback and a somewhat sub-pa amount of hitstun.

-A Thunderbolt attacks that covers the side of the stage it is facing (make it Pichu's new side B) to where it works somewhat like ROB's laser, except the wave is longer, comes out much slower, and maybe doesn't have as many angles you can fire it in (maybe just say up or down or front).

-Reinvent some of Pichu's tilts, smashes, and aerials to more fit its' game, perhaps to give Pichu the vibes of Smash 64 and Melee (and even Brawl) Pikachu that Project M Pikachu is missing.

-Give Pichu some unique grabs that make Pichu feel "different." Like my previous point, maybe used some of the unused goodness Pikachu had in Smash 64, Melee, or Brawl that aren't in Project M Pikachu.

-Make Pichu's aerial combos feel more "inspired" that Pikachu (vertically, at least), as well as much better.

 

[OrangeSodaGuy]

LOL, that Final Smash.

I actually really like that idea. There's something interesting going on there, about Pichu hitting himself with thunder and then getting really charged up. Maybe to help balance that out, he also takes more damage if he gets hit? Like depending on the level of charge he's at, he takes 33% / 66% / 100% more damage/knockback if he gets hit with anything.

Also, his extra agility jumps could come from that charge. Maybe charging up to level 1 gives you the third zip, and if you're at max charge you can zip 4 times? Would that be too ridiculous? XD I think it might be kind of awesome.

It'd probably be good to give Pichu another way to charge himself up besides doing Thunder. Maybe it'd be like Ivysaur, where you can do a move to charge solarbeam, or it also gets charge as you do damage with certain attacks? So any attack that Pichu does that hurts himself is also ramping up his charge.

dude honestly, this sounds awesome. : >

edit: oops I double post-failed, Q_Q

I went back to edit my post not long after posting it-- I thought of the same thing! The more Pichu could charge itself up, the more damage it would do to itself as well, making it the ultimate "sudden death" character. Maybe it could also build it's charge by charging its smash attacks. When full charge is reached, Pichu could do an powered-up, electric version of his Up/Down smashes that would damage Pichu as well and give it a charge.

Maybe his neutral B could become a "thunder jolt" styled move. It could do more damage than pika's thundershock and paralyze foes, but it would be a much slower-moving attack. That could also give Pichu a way to control space as well. If that's too OP, maybe it could work with having shorter range than Pika's thunder jolt.

 

[Johnknight1]

I feel like I need to put in an extra rule that you have to have a decent recent for downvoting characters...

But that would assume that all posters are decent, which clearly is not the case.

 

[XRagingxDemonX]

That doesn't reconfirm third-party characters at all. They said they were only considering characters in Brawl, not considering every character in Brawl. They said no non-Nintendo characters, and that means no third-parties.

Unclear is what I said. I asked a specific question. If they reply then we will know definitively. I just didn't like how unclear it was and unspecific. Third parties could mean master chief, and he was answering about something like that. Tis all. I just want to be specific, and not unclear general answers.

 

[Johnknight1]

That doesn't reconfirm third-party characters at all. They said they were only considering characters in Brawl, not considering every character in Brawl. They said no non-Nintendo characters, and that means no third-parties.

Yep, they flat out said that several times before. SEVERAL. TIMES. BEFORE. In fact, it's on one of the Project M blog posts.

 

[Hungry Headcrab]

I think third party characters as a possibility are reconfirmed.

From the AMA:

"3) Will we see some Shadow (as Sonic alt or clone character) some day?"

Warchamp7: "Shadow won't be an alt costume because our rules for alt costumes is it needs to be the 'same character'. We generally can't change voices and having something like Shadow with Sonic's voice would just be silly. He's a potential for a clone character, but we're not even thinking about that right now"

 

[GunBlaze]

Sonic characters appear in the game as trophies and/or stickers, so they are not entirely out of the question to begin with.

 

[XRagingxDemonX]

Yep, they flat out said that several times before. SEVERAL. TIMES. BEFORE. In fact, it's on one of the Project M blog posts.

Third party characters are others that aren't in the game somehow. Let's just all wait to see if they will specify. Plus hungry headgear just posted something from the AMA. Its not official either way. Its just unclear

 

[Solbliminal]

I think third party characters as a possibility are reconfirmed.

From the AMA:

"3) Will we see some Shadow (as Sonic alt or clone character) some day?"

Warchamp7: "Shadow won't be an alt costume because our rules for alt costumes is it needs to be the 'same character'. We generally can't change voices and having something like Shadow with Sonic's voice would just be silly. He's a potential for a clone character, but we're not even thinking about that right now"

THE DREAM LIVES ON!!!

 

[splat]

I think third party characters as a possibility are reconfirmed.

From the AMA:

"3) Will we see some Shadow (as Sonic alt or clone character) some day?"

Warchamp7: "Shadow won't be an alt costume because our rules for alt costumes is it needs to be the 'same character'. We generally can't change voices and having something like Shadow with Sonic's voice would just be silly. He's a potential for a clone character, but we're not even thinking about that right now"

Link, for the nonbelievers:

http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/c...amp7_of_the_pmbr_webmaster_playtester/cdhvqwe

I thought I would be friendly and answer some questions despite not being PMBR (some questions could be answered by anyone willing to use a search button). Turns out Warchamp is even friendlier and answered EVERYONE.

 

[red9rd]

Cough cough

 

[XRagingxDemonX]

Link, for the nonbelievers:

http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/c...amp7_of_the_pmbr_webmaster_playtester/cdhvqwe

I thought I would be friendly and answer some questions despite not being PMBR (some questions could be answered by anyone willing to use a search button). Turns out Warchamp is even friendlier and answered EVERYONE.

Thank you. Third party (in game) characters are reconfirmed. Everyone should re-vote if they have changed since the deconfirmating speculation. My votes stay the same of course

 

[red9rd]

This poll is out of order.

 

[PsionicSabreur]

Cough cough

A lot of Ness's animations line up really well, surprisingly. This gives me some more ideas for a potential moveset. Might get to that later.

 

[cephalopod17]

Interesting, I'l vote for

King K. Rool
Ridley
Bowser Jr.
Lyn
Dark Samus

 

[Generically Epic]

I'd like shadow because it be easy to clone from sonic. I'd have him be able to wave dash like squir or luigi. It works because of his skates. Some items could be used for projectiles, like Ganons b blast in brawl minus. Granted, it have to be very limited, he couldn't pull the actual item. In for the ray gun being chaos spear. Give him some dark aura effects. Maybe a boost mode to replace one of the spin moves.

 

[Generically Epic]

I feel like I need to put in an extra rule that you have to have a decent recent for downvoting characters...

fine. Isaac seems like a character that would have projectiles.

I feel like I need to put in an extra rule that you have to have a decent recent for downvoting characters...

there is no character to clone him from. This means more hours making him from scratch and unique animationsanimations. Also, he seems like a projectile heavy character, which means even more time, dedication, and work.

 

[BronzeGreekGod]

Question about Sukapon... Does he even show up as a sticker or trophy??

 

[GunBlaze]

Question about Sukapon... Does he even show up as a sticker or trophy??

As a sticker.

 

[MLGF]

He has a sticker, I recall using it on a Project M SSE run. I also recall that after seeing it once I thought "WTF IS THIS?"

 

[Johnknight1]

I think third party characters as a possibility are reconfirmed.

From the AMA:

"3) Will we see some Shadow (as Sonic alt or clone character) some day?"

Warchamp7: "Shadow won't be an alt costume because our rules for alt costumes is it needs to be the 'same character'. We generally can't change voices and having something like Shadow with Sonic's voice would just be silly. He's a potential for a clone character, but we're not even thinking about that right now"

Why would anyone want Shadow though=???

Knuckles and Tails are the master race anyways, and even then, Ridley, K. Rool, Pichu (see my stuff on Pichu), Isaac, Hector, Lyn, etc sound more interesting without the legal hooplah.

 

[Starcutter]

I got bored and made this thing for the Pokemon Trainer

Spoiler

Red/Pokemon Trainer (Pokemon)
The First Pokemon master

Value - A - One of Nintendo's biggest humanoid icons. The most well known out of all the trainers, as well as being the most popular.
Effort - B - Model Provided, but many new animations and props may be needed. some animations exsist, but not many.

Background - Red was the playable character in the first generation pokemon games, as well as being the ultimate challenge trainer in gold and silver. Both these appearances were made again in the remakes of red and blue, as well as the remakes of gold and silver. after those two appearances, he has appeared many other times. he's the trainer with the most appearances.

Moveset - There's two real options here. One is that Red uses mainly pokeball pokemon and summons those with all 4 of his special moves, as well as use them for many of his other moves. this way, he would attack with punches and kicks less often. the other moveset he could have is using more items of his game, with more punching and kicking. he could use an old rod, his backpack, his bicycle, his pokedex, rocks and bait from the safari zone, and have only one move dedicated to spawning pokeballs (with a big delay, and have the super overpowered pokemon ruled out, of course). This way, Red would be more of an oddball character.


Pros
-Veteran cut from Brawl
-Very iconic
-A human Pokemon character
-Some animations already exist, such as a walk, an idle, a losing animation, and a jump. Possibly some of the other ones could work as taunts or idles.
-Could Possibly borrow some animations from Snake and possibly Ike


Cons
-Another Pokemon Rep
-Would have to be completely revamped from brawl
-Will need custom props (bike, old rod, etc)
-Will need at least some custom animations

 

[TopTierPichu]

Why would anyone want Shadow though=???

Knuckles and Tails are the master race anyways, and even then, Ridley, K. Rool, Pichu (see my stuff on Pichu), Isaac, Hector, Lyn, etc sound more interesting without the legal hooplah.

sonic characters are too slow to be in Project M

 

[red9rd]

sonic characters are too slow to be in Project M

 

[Generically Epic]

Why would anyone want Shadow though=???

Knuckles and Tails are the master race anyways, and even then, Ridley, K. Rool, Pichu (see my stuff on Pichu), Isaac, Hector, Lyn, etc sound more interesting without the legal hooplah.

sonic characters are too slow to be in Project M

I think shadow, knuckles, or silver (or at least their color schemes) should appear. The ease of making them is due to the popular demand and the previous work done already would save hours. There are fighting games that inspiration is easily taken from. Models and textures are popular and have been premade.

 

[trojanpooh]

Except Sonic characters are easily the number one most hated character suggestion out there. The only reason they're "popular" is Sonic fans are extremely loud in everything they do.

Edit: Which isn't to say they shouldn't at least be considered.

 

[OrangeSodaGuy]

Knuckles, I'd be cool with. I know he's probably not going to happen. Outside of him, I can't ride for any third-parties, and I agree that Nintendo characters should take priority (Ridley, Lyn, Goroh, Issac, Dixie, Pichu, etc.)

 

[Starcutter]

I think tails should be the only sonic character to get in. if any do get made, that is.

 

[trojanpooh]

The only correct answers to the Sonic the Hedgehog question are Amy, Robotnik, Big, or bust.

 

[Johnknight1]

I think shadow, knuckles, or silver (or at least their color schemes) should appear. The ease of making them is due to the popular demand and the previous work done already would save hours. There are fighting games that inspiration is easily taken from. Models and textures are popular and have been premade.

Yeah, but if we're going to add new characters, why use more more the same (unless of course they were Melee playable characters)=???

We got all these slots, and honestly, we can wait for more (unique) characters given how amazing the HUGE 41 character roster is.

Seriously, Shadow and Silver are like the two worst possible choices. There is minimal interest in them. At least with Knuckles you could have a soaring fist fighting style, or with Tails you could have some sorta mecha robot thing (although I'd prefer that for Robotnik) or a smart and calculated airborne-centric character.

Really, Tails makes the most sense, and truthfully is the only logical Sonic character choice.

sonic characters are too slow to be in Project M

True facts: Sonic appears to run waayyyyyyyyyyyyyy faster in Smash Wii U than Project M.

 

[Generically Epic]

Except Sonic characters are easily the number one most hated character suggestion out there. The only reason they're "popular" is Sonic fans are extremely loud in everything they do.

Edit: Which isn't to say they shouldn't at least be considered.

when making a character, you also have to think of ease of making. Shadow would be easy to make.

 

[mikeyn1gm]

I tried to be as unselfish and fair as I can be with my votes....................I actually would of had all 5 characters from the assist trophy characters

 

[trojanpooh]

when making a character, you also have to think of ease of making. Shadow would be easy to make.

There are a lot of characters who would be easy to make who's names aren't Shadow.

 

[Chzrm3]

Hey guys - sorry if this was posted by someone else, but one of the things warchamp said is pretty interesting! (Well, it all was, but this was really relevant to the thread too haha)

http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/c...amp7_of_the_pmbr_webmaster_playtester/cdhq6bg

Seems like they might be really interested in the kind of sword-wielding/spellcasting playstyle that Isaac would have. ooooo snape! :D

 

[trojanpooh]

Correction. 'They' don't necessarily want that. Warchamp does.

 

[Xinc]

Correction. 'They' don't necessarily want that. Warchamp does.

Indeed, we should differentiate one's views from the whole.

 

[Saito]

Why would anyone want Shadow though=???

Knuckles and Tails are the master race anyways, and even then, Ridley, K. Rool, Pichu (see my stuff on Pichu), Isaac, Hector, Lyn, etc sound more interesting without the legal hooplah.

If they are giving spots to third party characters then I don't mind another sonic character.
My only reason for the shadow downvote comes from the third party potential legal problems but if they are willing to pursue it I'd change my downvote on sonic characters to 1/2 votes.

I'd give shadow the upvote but my upvotes aren't changing.

 

[Saito]

Hey guys - sorry if this was posted by someone else, but one of the things warchamp said is pretty interesting! (Well, it all was, but this was really relevant to the thread too haha)

http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/c...amp7_of_the_pmbr_webmaster_playtester/cdhq6bg

Seems like they might be really interested in the kind of sword-wielding/spellcasting playstyle that Isaac would have. ooooo snape! :D

You have that out of context.

Issac was said to be in the rules of the clones. Not confirmed to be wanted by that statement.

The avatar from FE: Awakening was asked as what character would warchamp would like in Smash 4.

Edit : Double post. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Forget everyone. Sakurai's cat is the clearly the best choice.

 

[Solbliminal]

Forget everyone. Sakurai's cat is the clearly the best choice.