New Characters for Project M Discussion Thread (Voting Closed)

[GunBuster]

Lyn - That Lyn post from a page or two back (or maybe it was in a different thread, haha) about basing her from ZSS/Sheik sold me on her

aww, shucks.




anyway, that trailer does nothing but build hype to dangerous levels. can't wait.

also, no loss on the lack of third party added characters, in my opinion.

 

[Solbliminal]

You know....Sakurai's Cat is an eligible character...just saying.

 

[GunBuster]

You know....Sakurai's Cat is an eligible character...just saying.

10/10, would main.

 

[Solbliminal]

You know....Sakurai's Cat is an eligible character...just saying.

Would anyone actually be okay with this at all? Lol

 

[yogurtgun1245]

You know....Sakurai's Cat is an eligible character...just saying.

Would anyone actually be okay with this at all? Lol

Give it Pichu's moveset.

 

[trojanpooh]

Give it Pichu's moveset.

And replace all the electric effects with a mix of hearts and dark energy.

 

[Solbliminal]

Give it Pichu's moveset.

If they could make it a super deformed, original character, they can reference any removed moves they want. Oh God is this actually happening?

 

[shinhed-echi]

Isaac with Young Link's playstyle (but maybe new specials) and I'd be more than fine.

Although I wager they have something bigger planned for Isaac.

 

[Alfonzo Bagpipez]

Isaac with Young Link's playstyle (but maybe new specials) and I'd be more than fine.

Although I wager they have something bigger planned for Isaac.

They should have something bigger planned, considering his name isn't Link.
Not trying to be mean, I'm just saying that giving Isaac YL's moveset is kind of a cop out.

*continues watching 3.0 trailer for the 22nd time

 

[Johnknight1]

NP, bro your cool in my book, why wouldn't be a part of it?

Not my fault I'm awesome!

Anyway I like this idea, its a high risk high reward esque type thing. I'm sure the PMBR can excute something like this or something similar for pichu.

I dunno why people doubt him, this is a mod dedicated to melee, and based on the reddit link, I think he'll be in somehow just not with the hurting himself mechanic imo.

Yeah, we could use more diversity, and a high risk/high reward character would be amazing, especially if we get Pichu some new moves.

On top of that, Pichu is in Melee. It couldn't get any more (Project) Melee than having the most worthless character being remade into an awesome force!!!

 

[True Fool]

Are you guys still suggesting characters? It kinda looks like discussion has turned away from it, but I'd like to vote a few if no one has any qualms.

1: Lyn/Hector/Black Knight(don't need more than one, but if I need to give the vote to one specifically, I'll go with Lyn)
2: Claus
3: Dark Samus
4: Black Shadow
5: Waluigi

Reasoning;
Lyn/Hector/Black Knight; I really just love the Fire Emblem cast. I would like a gal, villain, or someone who doesn't use a sword. Can't get a great combination of the three, but any one of them would do just fine. For simplicity's sake, any of them could be a partial clone of Ike or Link. Everything but Eruption would work for Lyn, and I believe that could be replaced with a bow move. The forward-smash could be tweaked to look a little more graceful. Alternatively she could use Link's moveset, with two different moves over the bombs and boomerang. The spin-attack may look off though. If she took Ike's moveset, it'd be easy to tweak Aether to look like her Sol Katti attack. A hybrid could be a good choice.

Claus; Mother has always been a favorite of mine, and since we won't see any new Mother characters in Smash 4(it's speculated if anything we'll see less), I feel like this is the best shot. He could be a Meta-Knight clone, or a Toon Link clone. I feel like Toon Link would be the better choice of moveset, the projectiles could easily be changed to be PSI attacks, give him multiple jumps and done. But just about anything would work out.

Dark Samus; I feel like Dark Samus would be much easier to implement than Ridley(though less deserving), and Metroid deserves a non-Samus rep(if you can excuse that she has 'Samus' in her name). Could easily be made out of a Captain Falcon and Samus hybrid, since Dark Samus uses a lot more kicking than Samus.

Black Shadow; Simple clone, an additional F-Zero rep we almost certainly will not see in Smash 4. I like the idea of giving him Ganondorf's old properties and giving Ganondorf a new moveset, but even without, I feel like he could be a worthwhile character.

Waluigi; His relevance is a constant point of arguing when discussing potential Smash characters. Personally I believe he'd be a great addition to the cast. I know I've used(and abused) this a lot, but I think he could make a good Captain Falcon clone. He's lanky, and could make good use of the Captain's kicking and acrobatics. He could get his own unique B-moves however, a tennis ball projectile, his aerial swimming, and any other number of gadgets. A light-weight, floaty version of Captain Falcon would be quite unique. We don't see many floaty characters outside of Wario and Jigglypuff, so it seems like a good opportunity to add another.

Hope you enjoyed reading, and won't pick it apart too much. Of course any criticism is welcome. I chose these 5 primarily for simplicity to add to the cast. I have no problems with clones personally, and I would take 5 clones done well over 2 new movesets personally.

*EDIT* Aw dang, I forgot Issac. I think I'd replace my number 4(Black Shadow) with him. Golden Sun deserves a little bit of attention, and I think he could make a unique addition. In contrast with my other 5 suggestions, I don't think he could be a clone. At most, his sword moves could be clone moves from any of our sword-wielding friends, but his B-moves should be unique. Psynergy, particularly earth psynergy could be quite a unique source for a move.

 

[GunBuster]

having had another look at the 3.0 trailer, I to say I hate how this game just brings out that "ideas guy" in all of us, no matter how good/bad they are. the taunt-ammo/moveset change that samus now sports has me wondering if they could hypothetically do the same thing to lyn and her Bow, something i was pretty opposed to before now... goddamn, PMBR.

 

[Chzrm3]

Ganondorf

The fact that Samus can change some of her attacks with her side-taunt is really interesting. You're a big fan of giving Gdorf some sword attacks, so I'm just curious - how would you feel about Gdorf's taunt where he pulls out his sword actually "equipping" the sword, and changing some of his attacks in the same way that Samus's taunt does?

I'm just wondering. I dunno how I'd actually feel about that, myself, but it might be a pretty nice compromise between the old-fashioned people like me, and the people who want Gdorf to have a more varied moveset.

Also, I have no idea if that's a mechanic they'll ever use again. Maybe it's specifically for Samus. (On the flipside, maybe they already did it and when 3.0 rolls around we'll be shocked!)

 

[Alfonzo Bagpipez]

Lyn/Hector/Black Knight; I really just love the Fire Emblem cast. I would like a gal, villain, or someone who doesn't use a sword. Can't get a great combination of the three, but any one of them would do just fine.

Spoiler

ANY OBJECTIONS?

 

[GunBuster]

Spoiler

ANY OBJECTIONS?

>not Nino

you had one job.

 

[True Fool]

No objections Alfonzo. I was going for a melee weapon, but hell, if Sonia isn't too far of a stretch, I'm all for it.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Making Samus crawl in Morph Ball mode was pure genius too.
No longer will I feel outranged when playing vs characters like Falco and Pit.

LOVED that reference to the Morph Ball boost glitch (AKA, Super Wavedash) from Melee.

 

[Alfonzo Bagpipez]

>not Nino

you had one job.

He asked for a lady, villain non-sword user. I wouldn't consider Nino a villain at all (even though technically she starts as one).

 

[Alfonzo Bagpipez]

No objections Alfonzo. I was going for a melee weapon, but hell, if Sonia isn't too far of a stretch, I'm all for it.

You took that seriously?
Well, while Sonia has the bamboozlebubs, she doesn't qualify for the clone engine.

 

[True Fool]

You took that seriously?
Well, while Sonia has the bamboozlebubs, she doesn't qualify for the clone engine.

No, I know she doesn't. If it could happen, I'd be down with it. But aside from maybe Micaiah, I don't think there are any other worthwhile Fire Emblem additions I didn't mention. Even Micaiah wouldn't be that interesting to add in.

 

[OrangeSodaGuy]

Not my fault I'm awesome!

Yeah, we could use more diversity, and a high risk/high reward character would be amazing, especially if we get Pichu some new moves.

On top of that, Pichu is in Melee. It couldn't get any more (Project) Melee than having the most worthless character being remade into an awesome force!!!

If it gets in, how do you think the P:M team will revamp him?

* Agility can "zip" three times as opposed to Pikachu's two.
* Pichu's electric attacks grow stronger as Pichu does more damage
* Maybe Pichu's vB Thunderbolt could "charge" Pichu up. Pichu would have stronger electric attacks for a few moments after using the move, but Pichu would also slowly take damage during that period where his attacks are beefed up.
* Maybe it could also mildly opponents just by touching them for very small damage. (Stop me if that sounds OP)
* To take things even further, maybe Pichu could have several levels of "charge". Using vB once would grant him a level 1 charge, which powers up his electric attacks the least and slowly damages him the least over time. Powering Pichu up to maximum charge would put him in a temporary state where it's electric attacks are at their strongest, but this state would do the most damage to Pichu itself.

(Again, feel free to stop me if any of these seem OP)

Spoiler

It's final smash should be a taunt super like Dan Hibiki's in Street Fighter.
Fear the ultimate Pichu happy dance that does absolutely no damage to any of your opponents EVER! D:

I wish I had some better ideas when it came to the other characters discussed in this thread. It would be a lot more fun to speculate Issac after playing Golden Sun. He seems like a pretty kool cat.

I'm also curious to look back on any Ridley playstyle ideas that may have been posted already in this thread. If the guy has wings, he's gotta be pretty mobile, I suppose. I can see Ridley being the "Arakune" of P:M. The guy who's flying all over the place raining down projectiles and unholy wrath on his enemies. #SuperTohouBros

 

[shinhed-echi]

If it gets in, how do you think the P:M team will revamp him?

* Agility can "zip" three times as opposed to Pikachu's two.
* Pichu's electric attacks grow stronger as Pichu does more damage
* Maybe Pichu's vB Thunderbolt could "charge" Pichu up. Pichu would have stronger electric attacks for a few moments after using the move, but Pichu would also slowly take damage during that period where his attacks are beefed up.

(Stop me if any of these seem OP)

Spoiler

It's final smash should be a taunt super like Dan Hibiki's in Street Fighter.
Fear the ultimate Pichu happy dance that does absolutely no damage to any of your opponents EVER! D:

I wish I had some better ideas when it came to the other characters discussed in this thread. It would be a lot more fun to speculate Issac after playing Golden Sun. He seems like a pretty kool cat.

I'm also curious to look back on any Ridley playstyle ideas that may have been posted already in this thread. If the guy has wings, he's gotta be pretty mobile, I suppose. I can see Ridley being the "Arakune" of P:M. The guy who's flying all over the place raining down projectiles and unholy wrath on his enemies. #SuperTohouBros

Pichu needs some Thunder Wave move using the new paralysis effect.

Maybe as a Dair after effect, or maybe his new B Neutral to stun characters while causing less damage than Pika's? (Or maybe just a new special altogether replacing another one)

 

[Chzrm3]

That's kinda the funny thing. All the most popular FE characters use swords, and then you've got Hector's big ol' axe. It's too bad there's not a really popular FE mage that isn't Tharja (LOL JK, I mean heck I'd be down for Tharja, MMMMMHMMM, but she isn't allowed cause she wasn't in Brawl. her butt though it's pretty)

The PC from the newest Fire Emblem would've been, like, the perfect mage. He'd still have his sword but he'd be a little slower than Marth/Roy (maybe like a Zelda level of speed), and he'd have a bunch of spells on top of that. Man, that'd be a fun character.

I think it'd be cool to have Lyn in, fa sho fa sho. In the same way that the three spacies all play totally differently, I think four FE sword fighters could all play very differently, too. Especially if they do something along the lines of what Manly Spirit drew, Lyn would just be so much fun to play as.

Sorry if my thoughts seem really scattered right now. I still can't stop watching the 3.0 trailer. I mean it's just so good that, like, why am I not watching it right now? I don't really have an answer. I'm gonna just go watch it right now.

 

[Chzrm3]

If it gets in, how do you think the P:M team will revamp him?

* Agility can "zip" three times as opposed to Pikachu's two.
* Pichu's electric attacks grow stronger as Pichu does more damage
* Maybe Pichu's vB Thunderbolt could "charge" Pichu up. Pichu would have stronger electric attacks for a few moments after using the move, but Pichu would also slowly take damage during that period where his attacks are beefed up.
* Maybe it could also mildly opponents just by touching them for very small damage. (Stop me if that sounds OP)
* To take things even further, maybe Pichu could have several levels of "charge". Using vB once would grant him a level 1 charge, which powers up his electric attacks the least and slowly damages him the least over time. Powering Pichu up to maximum charge would put him in a temporary state where it's electric attacks are at their strongest, but this state would do the most damage to Pichu itself.

(Again, feel free to stop me if any of these seem OP)

Spoiler

It's final smash should be a taunt super like Dan Hibiki's in Street Fighter.
Fear the ultimate Pichu happy dance that does absolutely no damage to any of your opponents EVER! D:

LOL, that Final Smash.

I actually really like that idea. There's something interesting going on there, about Pichu hitting himself with thunder and then getting really charged up. Maybe to help balance that out, he also takes more damage if he gets hit? Like depending on the level of charge he's at, he takes 33% / 66% / 100% more damage/knockback if he gets hit with anything.

Also, his extra agility jumps could come from that charge. Maybe charging up to level 1 gives you the third zip, and if you're at max charge you can zip 4 times? Would that be too ridiculous? XD I think it might be kind of awesome.

It'd probably be good to give Pichu another way to charge himself up besides doing Thunder. Maybe it'd be like Ivysaur, where you can do a move to charge solarbeam, or it also gets charge as you do damage with certain attacks? So any attack that Pichu does that hurts himself is also ramping up his charge.

dude honestly, this sounds awesome. : >

edit: oops I double post-failed, Q_Q

 

[PsionicSabreur]

So, Pichu's entire metagame would evolve around spamming thunder whenever possible?

I approve.

 

[mikeyn1gm]

I haven't used SmashBoards in many years...........but of all the things. I had to comeback for this. Allow me to Vote and Explain:


INITIAL NOTE: After reading regulations.....I have to say that I had to change up my perspective and take an unbiased and very beneficial approach to the Voting.......Normally I would HIGHLY support Waluigi but I do not feel that you should include such characters with greatly completed PSAs if you are going to "Make them from scratch" because we can easily just place those PSA made characters in the game instead you guys wasting your energy. The effort should go to characters that don't have much done to them modding wise and DO NOT seem likely to make SSB4 while still being very notable or popular characters. So my votes are going to reflect a greater benefit of how much more we can have. I will drop characters like Waluigi and Ridley because they obviously got near 100% completed PSAs that can be edited to fit into Project M.


UP VOTE:

Isaac
Saki
Knuckle Joe
Paper Mario
Samurai Goroh

About Isaac and Saki: These 2 characters are two of the most deserving and VERY fitting. Why you ask? Well you say that they are likely to get into the next Smash game and this is probably due to the fact that their popular series is unrepresented and they made it as Assist Trophies. The actual likely outcome is that YES their series will probably make it into the next game, but it will very likely be represented by THEIR SONS (Matthew and Isa Jo) of the most recent games (And it's been awhile since) so it would be fitting to add Isaac and Saki into Project M because they won't conflict with SSB4 and further more, They will get their chance, instead of being skipped over to their sons. The PSAs for both of these characters are really incomplete (especially Saki who doesn't even have special moves or the use of his blaster).

About Knuckle Joe: I don't see Knuckle Joe on the list but can I vote for him? He is a very iconic Kirby character, which shows when he was added as an assist trophy. The next most important and popularly known character in Kirby Series is either Knuckle Joe or Rick. He was one of the primary sidekicks in Kirby Superstar that can aid Kirby (and was PLAYABLE with 2P Controller). Another great boost in his importance is the role he had in the cartoon/anime "Kirby: Right Back at Ya!" where he contributed greatly to the story and was the one of the ONLY characters that was put on the same level of importance and skill level as Kirby, Metaknight, King Dedede. If adding a 4th Kirby character, this is the most ideal, fitting, beneficial and feasible choice. There are also no near-complete PSAs for this character. His inclusion in SSB4 is debatable....mostly because Bandanna Dee can randomly steal that spot of the 4th Kirby character due to the most recent Kirby game "Return to Dreamland" despite his species being a "Tool" of King Dedede which works Knuckle Joe's favor. In the end, theres still some amount of uncertainty.

About Paper Mario: Like I said very above....Waluigi would be my primary vote but the 2 things that change that are that He has a Well made PSA done and he is likely going to be in SSB4 (Maybe representing Wario since he's obviously the reason he exists rather than Mario) which can also be said for Bowser Jr. . Paper Mario would be a very unique add to the game and also a very deserving character. Paper Mario also doesn't seem likely to get into SSB4 when compared to others in the Mario series. Like i've emphasized, I'd rather have effort put into a completely new and valued character that doesn't seem likely usable in any other form. I believe there are great textures but no full fledged PSAs made for this character.

About Samurai Goroh: I honestly like Lyn more and her inclusion as a female sword user helps her........but I'm making a fair, beneficial unbiased pick here because Fire Emblem got 3 characters with Roy in now. There is no well made PSA for Goroh, only the Alloy one which is horrible "Game crashable". Goroh makes a great rival for Falcon and has made it in as an Assist Trophy....furthermore was seen as important enough to be in a cutscene with Falcon in Melee (Just like Wolf and Fox). Of course, All F-Zero has is Captain Falcon. I highly doubt he is going to make it into SSB4 or that F-Zero will have any other rep after Falcon.


1/2 VOTE:

Lyn (First female Fire Emblem character and female sword user, PSA is half made sort of but not completely polished........VERY LIKELY to not make it to SSB4)

Dark Samus (An inferior choice to Ridley BUT Ridley is most likely going to make SSB4 so if you need an Important Metroid character that not coming to SSB4 and a not so hassled creation........here's your character. Supposedly, there is a nicely made PSA for this character)

Ray Mk III (I also don't see Ray Mk III like Knuckle Joe who I feel would be one of the most unique characters of all smash characters with his size and play. He made it as an assist trophy and many of us learned about him and his game through his trophy in Melee. I'd figure that he would play like a very fast small Kirby/Meta Knight type of character that can actually stay airborne the longest while concentrating on shooting projectiles, based on his behavior with the Assist Trophy. There are NO PSAs made at all for this character. Custom Robo is one of the high demanded representations for smash. There's a fair chance that he can make it into SSB4 but if the odds win then PM is the perfect game/mod to finally give Custom Robo it's desired character and rep.)


*UPDATE*
Masked Man (I initially thought that Earthbound had enough reps with Ness and Lucas........but seeing some of your posts about this Claus dude and Masked Man........I can tell that he is a pretty unique character.........I've also seen his name before on dream rosters from users in the past. Of all Earthbound characters, I feel that He'd make the best 3rd character of the series [Other then Ninten.......who can be sort of an Alternate Costume of Ness since they already look like the same person......So i don't know if the "Avoiding Alternate Character" as Alt. Costume applies here] He seems to show easy cloning paths and very much value that I don't even have to know Too much about Mother 3 or his positioning in the plot. The mere view of his appearance strikes much potential in my eyes. There is no PSA mad for this character that I know of. I really don't think his chances are likely as a Full character in SSB4 for some reason so his inclusion here is very righteous.
YOU GUYS CAN THANK YOURSELVES FOR THIS 1/2 VOTE......because I was thinking of Down Voting him but I have a very open mind)


DOWN VOTE:

Andy (Now I love Advance Wars, but let me get to the point. You don't ever see this character IN ACTION in ANY of the games. Sure, he looks cool but we've never seen him in any form on the field. Usually, the most they would do is have the captains in a Tank and then YOU STILL can't see them lol. To conclude, the reason why we always played Advance/Nintendo wars is because of those soldiers that we see risking their lives and they are the ones we see in all the cool action and cutscenes. The fact that it was those sprites of the infantry and tanks that made it as assist trophy was very fitting because they yell ADVANCE WARS to me, Not some dude with a wrench. That's not what this series was all about. If anything, I think people sometimes get it confused. Andy and those characters are sort of iconic because that game which included them was the first western release. A Battalion Wars soldier would even be a better idea to represent the series as a whole)

Ridley (VERY VERY likely to be in SSB4, Completed PSA made for character)

Sukapon (I know the origins of this character and the game but I have to say that this character is being "Valued" in a very hypocritical way. The value that this character is getting is simply because "It was Nintendo's first fighting game" which is really actually "Urban Champion" for the NES. This character was never really highly appealing compared to other Nintendo legends or the characters mentioned on this list. I deeply feel that you will have a bigger gain with characters other than this one with a very generic design that kinda gets the toilet dump when you think of characters like Rayman [In no way am I trying to imply Rayman's inclusion, just saying] Although I like the funny personality that this character shows when fighting.......I do not feel that this is enough when compared with the others to get into these LIMITED SPOTS of the roster)

Ganondorf / Black Shadow (Very Likely that Ganondorf will incorporate his sword in SSB4 this time around since they are reconfiguring movesets and such like Bowser. I also don't find "Black Shadow with close to Falcon themed" moveset appealing as a NEW addition to this game, compared to Samurai Goroh. I'm not sure the PM/Brawl/Melee fans would sit well with their "Ganondorf" changed to another character. Rather than changing Ganondorf, you can simply just give him a dual moveset where he can use his sword when he does the sword taunt, which would have a different playstyle.......there are at least 2 or 3 PSAs that demonstrate this.)

King K.Rool (VERY likely to be in SSB4)

Bowser Jr. (Likely to be in SSB4 with Shadow Mario as transformation like Zelda/Sheik & Samus/ZSS)

Toon Zelda (Toon Link is enough to represent the Wind Waker/Four Sword subseries, if there HAD to be another character to represent it.......I'd say it would be Vaati)

Dixie Kong (Likely to be in SSB4)

Sami (See "Andy")

Tetra (See "Toon Zelda", Tetra wouldn't offer more diversity or demand then many other characters here)

Hector (Very very overshadowed character compared to all the other choices here. When thinking of the Fire Emblem game of his origin we immediately think more of the other 2 main characters "Lyn" and "Eliwood" [Roy's Father]. Rather than wasting a last Fire Emblem space, IF there was one FE character from this list to be chosen it should be Lyn [who actually made it as an assist trophy]. I will say this though, he has that axe going for him and no FE character or even the whole Smash roster has an axe character but I don't feel this enough to make him stand out substantially.)

Toad (This character despite his presence in the main series has not shown and almost never shows powerful impulses into "Standing Out". Regardless of being a Main Series character, he is still dominated or overshadowed by characters who have frequently appeared only in spin off games or from other subseries [Waluigi, Daisy, Diddy Kong, Donkey Kong] In games like Mario Superstar Baseball/Sluggers, he doesn't have the position of a "Captain" which is obviously occupied by Characters who have shown value for themselves and personality and the same can be said for Super Mario Strikers/Charged where they are put in the same ranks of those such as Hammer Bros, Monty Moles, Koopas, Dry Bones etc....Furthermore this character has even more doomed himself by becoming a tool. In Smash Bros. he is part of Peach's moveset as a BODY SHIELD and is also has the same poor unimportant grunt value as Waddle Dee to King Dedede. I like Toad but lets be realistic about the character for THIS game (Not a Mario Game), he does not show himself to be deserving. Main Series positioning doesn't make the character value.....the CHARACTER makes the character value and there are more "Mario Rep" characters that display that.)

Pichu (Pichu to my knowledge wasn't a very popular character who in ways defeated his own purpose of use under Pikachu. PM just got Mewtwo and that was a really great add for the Pokemon side.....to add another "Pikachu" character over another unique deserving series character is sort of criminal.......unless you're really trying to make this a "Melee" perfect game but then you would force me to ask about Young Link and Zelda's Din' Fire.)

Plusle & Minun (Same reasons as Pichu....there are much better pokemon choices that people would like)

Krystal (Sort of likely that she will be in SSB4. "If there was one more StarFox character put in who do you HONESTLY think it would be? Peppy? Slippy?")

Tom Nook (I feel that the effort is better spent in other characters who can use this chance to be in the game and at the same time believe that Villager in SSB4 is a great solo representative of this series.....I don't see why you should use your energy on this character when there are more obvious demands in the other choices)

Tails (ALL OF THE MAIN SONIC CHARACTERS have completed PSAs pretty much, Putting in 3rd party characters to fill these LIMITED spots is not the right approach for this nintendo focused game......especially if this series already has Sonic in)

Knuckles (See "Tails")

Shadow (See "Tails")

Silver (See "Tails")

Gray Fox (See "Tails", Just making sure)

Simon Belmont (See "Tails", Just making sure)

 

[Saito]

How about they give Pichu the speed he deserves.

I'm talking faster than everyone but sonic.

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Holy ****

This is why Downvotes shouldn't be a thing.

 

[PsionicSabreur]

With regards to the thunder charges, could it build up the power of electric moves and their recoil as well? I think that would give a nice amount of control over the risk/reward factors and even give the option to play without recoil.

 

[Solbliminal]

Contains Sakurai's Cat Moveset. Read at your own risk. (Incomplete as of right now).

Spoiler

~Smash Cat Moveset~

Twisted and distorted by his owner's imagination, Sakurai's super deformed pet cat joins the Project!!

Sakurai's Easter Egg Smash Cat would be a mix of common fan requests that go unanswered and internet memes, mostly regarding cats. This blend is perfect for a troll/joke/surprise character that you must try once. So here are some ideas.

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B BUTTON SPECIALS
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B Special: If Ganon won't use it, I will! - Smash Cat comically pulls out Ganon's sword and charges a dark energy ball/slash (whichever is preferred). Can be made similar to Lucario or Samus' charge B, or Marth/Roy's charge B. (Again, whichever is most desired).

Up B Special: Double Rainbow Nyan Flight - Taking after the hilarious Nyan Cat and Double Rainbow memes, Smash Cat will have two short mid air bursts that trail rainbows behind him. The best example is saying that this move is a spiritual successor to Pichu's Up-B.

Down B Special: Self Damaging, Godlike, Dark Pillar of Lightning - Again using Ganon's sword, Smash Cat will summon a black lightning bolt from the sky to strike the ground and himself if he is in the way. Spiritual successor to Pichu's thunder (Down B) with a little Ganon flavor. THUNDER CATS HOOOOOOO!

Tilt B Special: Because he's too big - Smash Cat spawns a Ridley fashioned helmet and jetpack in which he charges to blast himself forward to headbutt his enemy. Again, Pichu's Tilt-B inspired.

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A BUTTON ATTACKS
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N-Air: Toon Link's Brawl N-air. (Using Ganon's Sword)

F-Air: Sonic's Brawl F-air would fit here.

B-Air: Pichu's B-air.

-More Soon-

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That is all for now. But if anyone has suggestions, feel free to tell me and I'll add it to the list.
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...Just a little something for the fun of it. If people like it, I'll whip up a Sakurai inspired design that resembles his cat. It will be based off of his multiple game franchises. And no, it won't be some Sonic fan character styled abomination. I've already got an idea that he could wear a collar with a smash ball ornament hanging from it. He will take after Kirby, Kid Icarus, and Smash Bros. (Unique enemies) designs in very small bits and pieces. Nothing too over decorative, but enough characterize the cat. And I realize some of these things are not possible, hence my willingness to discuss it.

Let me know what you guys think~ Be gentile since this is just for the fun of it.

 

[Deleted member]

Same there ! x3

And about Pichu, I'm still scared he will maybe not able to be on the game and I'm find that unfair... I don't care about the nomber of Pokemon. He are a veterant and he have a lot of fan.

I wish we will find a way to ensure his place on PM ! ><

Why is Pichu more important to fans than Young (Original) Link?

If anyone should have a ferverent fanbase pushing for a character, it should be him.


Also, I wish Toon Link would at least get a couple different moves, the Leaf and Grapple Hook, if at least comsetic would be nice. Perhaps even the Pegassus Boots or something. Here's to hoping their FS are different. Four Sword FS for Toon Link would be nice.

 

[PsionicSabreur]

Why not give Toon Link the Deku Leaf after he uses his spin attack? It would probably just lower his fall speed a little bit, possibly raise air speed. Sort of like vBrawl G&W's parachute/Peach's parasol except much less effective. If that would interfere with on-stage game it could only activate when up or B or some other button is purposefully held.

 

[splat]

Bowser Jr. (Likely to be in SSB4 with Shadow Mario as transformation like Zelda/Sheik & Samus/ZSS)

Perhaps not the best thing to take from the text (nor to discuss here) but really, why do people keep insisting this? Bowser Jr. in Smash 4 I can somewhat see, that's not what I'm aiming at; why do people think Shadow Mario will make it? Since Bowser Jr.'s first appearance in Sunshine, he appeared in over 20 games as a boss or a playable character. Shadow Mario only in 2: Sunshine and that one golfing game where Jr. was a playable character as well. Shadow Mario hasn't appeared since 2003 (not counting his two cameos): Shadow Mario is a closed book and will not make it, he has no additional value to Bowser Jr. as a character.

Why is Pichu more important to fans than Young (Original) Link?

If anyone should have a ferverent fanbase pushing for a character, it should be him.

Also, I wish Toon Link would at least get a couple different moves, the Leaf and Grapple Hook, if at least comsetic would be nice. Perhaps even the Pegassus Boots or something. Here's to hoping their FS are different. Four Sword FS for Toon Link would be nice.

I don't think Pichu is more important per se - it's just the only character that's not represented at all now: Young Link has been mashed into Toon Link (also three Links would be too many for most people), Dr. Mario is a costume and Roy and Mewtwo are new characters.
Pichu's quite remember-able too, in that he's the favorite punching bag of many people.

Toon Link getting some different moves I'd fully agree, but I think that'd be hard to implement. Not necessarily because of technical issues, but because all of his specials are more or less staples of his play style (I think so, at least, not a TL player - have been looking at a few TL videos, though).

 

[True Fool]

Why is Pichu more important to fans than Young (Original) Link?

If anyone should have a ferverent fanbase pushing for a character, it should be him.


Also, I wish Toon Link would at least get a couple different moves, the Leaf and Grapple Hook, if at least comsetic would be nice. Perhaps even the Pegassus Boots or something. Here's to hoping their FS are different. Four Sword FS for Toon Link would be nice.

Personally I'd rather not see anymore Pokemon or Zelda characters. Though I'm not one to talk, I'm sure a few people would rather not see more Fire Emblem characters. But even if we got Pichu and Young Link, I'd be thankful to get more characters. No promise we'll get any additional characters, but any at all would still be cool.

 

[Chzrm3]

Toon Link getting some different moves I'd fully agree, but I think that'd be hard to implement. Not necessarily because of technical issues, but because all of his specials are more or less staples of his play style (I think so, at least, not a TL player - have been looking at a few TL videos, though).

Yeah, that's true - although honestly, I think a door has been opened that may never close. Cause as soon as you said that, I was like "hmm, TL can switch to WW items with his side taunt!"

Somewhere out there, Danturion's mind just ruptured a little bit because I said that. He's realizing that his work has only just begun...

 

[Deleted member]

Personally I'd rather not see anymore Pokemon or Zelda characters. Though I'm not one to talk, I'm sure a few people would rather not see more Fire Emblem characters. But even if we got Pichu and Young Link, I'd be thankful to get more characters. No promise we'll get any additional characters, but any at all would still be cool.

Actually, the PMBR has confirmed that they are indeed gonna work on new characters. I don't think we'll get 5. But we're getting new chars for sure it seems.

I don't think Pichu is more important per se - it's just the only character that's not represented at all now: Young Link has been mashed into Toon Link (also three Links would be too many for most people), Dr. Mario is a costume and Roy and Mewtwo are new characters.
Pichu's quite remember-able too, in that he's the favorite punching bag of many people.

But he IS represented, he's represented through Pikachu and has been since Brawl, as Pika has Alt colors that used to belong to Pichu. I don't think the representation argument works here, since most of the fanbase agrees that Brawl Pika is Melee Pichu. Doc is an alt. Roy and Mewtwo are in, and YL has some properties meshed into TL, but he himself is still nowhere to be seen, and he's technically the most important Link of them all in Nintendo history.

I'm merely pointing out how selfish some Pichu fans can be when they say "it wouldn't be fair if the PMBR didn't turn a joke into reality."

YL suffers from the fact that if added, he'd be a 3rd iteration of Link that plays very similarly to the staple set. Pichu suffers from the fact that he'd be a clone of a character that doesn't need a clone. We've been over this before, but Pichu was intended to be a poor character in Melee... So... why add him? And, improving him... OK, I can see it... but why? Look at how many Pokemon we already got. They fill up almost an entire row.

It's not about it being fair or not. Yes, you can be disappointed, but please please please. Quit saying it's a slap to the face to the fanbase. Look at the poll, more people DON'T want Pichu in than people who do. It might be a disappointment to the Pichu fans (who are clearly a very vocal minority), but it's not a slap in the face to anyone since people genuinely don't want him in.

Toon Link getting some different moves I'd fully agree, but I think that'd be hard to implement. Not necessarily because of technical issues, but because all of his specials are more or less staples of his play style (I think so, at least, not a TL player - have been looking at a few TL videos, though).

Well... His Leaf like someone said, could just be tagged onto the UpB like the Parasol, The Grapple Hook can be a tweaked version of the Hookshot that replaces it. I would also personally change the Side B to make it multi-hit. Just some more tweaks that pay nod to the differences TL has from AL. In fact, I'd change his sword to the Four Sword, just cosmetically at least.

And as I said, the different FS.

Anyway, I just read that Sonic chars and 3rd Party are not valid candidates anymore, and as such, I'll be updating my vote from a long time ago:

UPVOTE:


Lyndis- This one should be obvious. Unique playstyle. Katana never seen in Smash before, would bring a lot of hype and would also be a good icon of the competitive play that PM offers, etc...
Isaac- I like the movesets posted here, and he certainly has the potential, also, as showcased here, would also bring tons of hype.
Ridley- Another interesting character. His more aerial focus would bring in a very unique fighter to the roster. I push for him all the way.
Claus- I'd never played EB before, but I like what I see here, with the wings and the arm cannon, reminds me of that one Touhou girl. His design and potential movesets are defo interesting, and would not only make a rather unique fighter (like a cross between a bat and Megaman), but also add more diversity to the EB fighters, who are all Psy-using mages.
Bowser Jr.- The only clone character I push for, and only cause he'd be a semi-clone at best. A lighter, and much faster Bowser, who hits hard, but can't take as much punishment as his dad, unlike Toad, this would be the real glass canon.


HalfVote (which I never did the 1st time):

Sami- Brought this down to halfvote, simply because I find Claus much more intruiging than her. Still, as a Snake main, I'm all for her.
Paper Mario- If not Jr. He'd be cool, as long as he's original, and not a total G&W clone.
Sukapon- I like what I see here with a sort of limbless Rayman character. Not enough to merit a full vote, but still.
Dark Samus- If we don't get Ridley, she's the next best option. An alternate playstyle to Samus. Only as long as she has a draining mechanic, and different Specials from Samus, like the Boost Ball for example. If she'll just become a Samus clone, then no-dice.



DOWNVOTE:
PICHU- I've said it once, and again, and I'll keep saying it. Boring character, too many Pokemon already. Being a vet does not merit a total return. He was intended to be a joke, and should stay as a Joke.
Toad- Never cared too much for Toad, and I honestly don't see him as very exciting, either.
Toon Zelda- Nope, I don't see the appeal here either. We should split Zelda from Sheik way before this ever happens.
Plusule+Minum- There is no evidence to support that PraiMai was PlusMin, this is a fan theory that's very ill-founded. Japanese doesn't translate properly into those two. Plus once again, another Pokemon, we have too many as it is.

Micaiah- She was a lackluster mage in FE10, and is rather unliked among FE fans. She has a niche following, but honestly, I'd much rather have Lyn. Selfish downvote, yes, but a downvote nonetheless. And, if Micaiah gets added to the poll, so should Ashley, who'd make a much more interesting magic user than her, being a witch.

 

[TopTierPichu]

As TopTierPichu put it a page ago about Pichu.... Dreams = Crushed

Sayonara Shadow the Hedgehog...

good riddance

 

[Chzrm3]

I'm merely pointing out how selfish some Pichu fans can be when they say "it wouldn't be fair if the PMBR didn't turn a joke into reality."

YL suffers from the fact that if added, he'd be a 3rd iteration of Link that plays very similarly to the staple set. Pichu suffers from the fact that he'd be a clone of a character that doesn't need a clone. We've been over this before, but Pichu was intended to be a poor character in Melee... So... why add him? And, improving him... OK, I can see it... but why? Look at how many Pokemon we already got. They fill up almost an entire row.

It's not about it being fair or not. Yes, you can be disappointed, but please please please. Quit saying it's a slap to the face to the fanbase. Look at the poll, more people DON'T want Pichu in than people who do. It might be a disappointment to the Pichu fans (who are clearly a very vocal minority), but it's not a slap in the face to anyone since people genuinely don't want him in.

? I don't think the person you're talking to has ever once said that it'd be a slap in the face, or it'd be unfair if Pichu didn't come back.

 

[Deleted member]

? I don't think the person you're talking to has ever once said that it'd be a slap in the face, or it'd be unfair if Pichu didn't come back.

I wasn't referring to him, but Pichu fans in general, since I've seen that ITT numerous times. I blame the lack of a distinct 2nd Person plural pronoun in English.

This is why Spanish and French will forever be superior to English as languages.

 

[Solbliminal]

good riddance

Don't worry. Pichu is next.

 

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It's not about it being fair or not. Yes, you can be disappointed, but please please please. Quit saying it's a slap to the face to the fanbase. Look at the poll, more people DON'T want Pichu in than people who do. It might be a disappointment to the Pichu fans (who are clearly a very vocal minority), but it's not a slap in the face to anyone since people genuinely don't want him in.

I know you've explained in your latest post that this wasn't aimed at me - so I won't respond to your 'slap in the face' statement - but I still would like to reply, mainly because I sort of enjoy playing the devil's advocate. Do note that I abstain from voting (mainly because I believe that someone who hasn't played the game shouldn't be voting - once I've played and get a bit of a grasp on the metagame and what it needs, I may vote (I've only actively supported Masked Man because with his wide range of abilities his moveset is very malleable)) but my current personal favorites are close to your top five - and that Pichu is not one of my favorites.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the poll is flawed and should not be taken as seriously as people do now. Mikeyn1gm made it painfully obvious in his list: unlimited down votes distort the results immensely. We pretty much get five positive votes, yet an unlimited amount of downvotes (in Mikey's case, 21) - it's no wonder characters get more down votes than up votes.

But he IS represented, he's represented through Pikachu and has been since Brawl, as Pika has Alt colors that used to belong to Pichu. I don't think the representation argument works here, since most of the fanbase agrees that Brawl Pika is Melee Pichu. Doc is an alt. Roy and Mewtwo are in, and YL has some properties meshed into TL, but he himself is still nowhere to be seen, and he's technically the most important Link of them all in Nintendo history.

I'm not that familiar with the canon timeline/lore of the Legend of Zelda, so if you say he's the most important one I can only take your word for it.
I too share the head canon that Brawl Pika is Melee Pichu, though that doesn't mean we actually see anything from Pichu itself. Three of the Brawl cuts physically appear in version 3.0, and you could argue that YL does retain 'his' slot with TL on the roster. Pichu, however, has to do with some sort of cameo in his goggles appeargin as one of Pika's alts. It's a bit of a lame argument, but I've seen it tossed around a couple of times and I think there's at least some logic behind it.

I'm merely pointing out how selfish some Pichu fans can be when they say "it wouldn't be fair if the PMBR didn't turn a joke into reality."

I don't think we can complain about people being selfish if we allow people to down vote - which technically means you're 'actively' trying to hinder a character that someone else likes from appearing. People are selfish, we all are.

As for the joke part: I think that's actually a huge opportunity. I don't believe Sakurai added Pichu as an absolute joke - I can somewhat believe he made him purposefully weak, though. Because of his self-harming mechanics, Pichu can be the ultimate glass cannon; the epitome of high risk, high reward.
The PMBR have proven themselves again and again to be very creative - fitting Pichu in this role wouldn't be outside their capabilities.

YL suffers from the fact that if added, he'd be a 3rd iteration of Link that plays very similarly to the staple set. Pichu suffers from the fact that he'd be a clone of a character that doesn't need a clone. We've been over this before, but Pichu was intended to be a poor character in Melee... So... why add him? And, improving him... OK, I can see it... but why? Look at how many Pokemon we already got. They fill up almost an entire row.

Your second sentence here confuses me a bit. He'd be a clone of a character that doesn't need a clone? What? Who needs a clone, if I may ask?

I tend to get a bit sad every time I see someone bring up the amount of characters from a series as an argument. Granted, I am a bit of a Pokedork, but I'd much rather see characters that I enjoy and think add to the game than shoehorned characters from series that aren't represented enough. If a character is interesting and fits the criteria, it should be considered, no matter the series.
Pichu can fill a niche that I think isn't filled yet: a quick, agile character with high damage output combined with self-harming moves and light weight could bring some interesting stuff to the table.

Well... His Leaf like someone said, could just be tagged onto the UpB like the Parasol, The Grapple Hook can be a tweaked version of the Hookshot that replaces it. I would also personally change the Side B to make it multi-hit. Just some more tweaks that pay nod to the differences TL has from AL. In fact, I'd change his sword to the Four Sword, just cosmetically at least.
And as I said, the different FS.

While I'd like his leaf to appear somewhere, I think forcing it on his spin attack is not the way to go - it'd feel out of place, just randomly put on there for the sake of appearing. Changing it to the leaf would work better in that case, but it'd alienate current TL players that use the spin attack.
How would you envision the Grapple Hook? I can see a cosmetic change, but other than that? Have his grab move him towards his target as opposed to the target moving towards him, possibly? Could be an interesting mechanic but it'd mess up spacing and positioning.
I think TL is a tricky subject because people have gotten familiar with his specials. Personally, I'd like to see them touch some of his normals so that he'd be more a Wolf-esque character as opposed to a Falco-esque one.

Yeah, that's true - although honestly, I think a door has been opened that may never close. Cause as soon as you said that, I was like "hmm, TL can switch to WW items with his side taunt!"

Somewhere out there, Danturion's mind just ruptured a little bit because I said that. He's realizing that his work has only just begun...

Please no. I think the mechanic is awesome, but it shouldn't be used willy-nilly.
It's a very interesting addition to Samus and I'd personally like it to stay limited to her - if they'd add it to a second character people everywhere would beg the PMBR to do something similar for their character and all hope will be lost.