umm, noHey project m look why not just give us the tools to make a character instead of voting I mean we all got diffrent interests?
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umm, noHey project m look why not just give us the tools to make a character instead of voting I mean we all got diffrent interests?
Basically all of our tools (Brawlbox, SmashAttacks, OpenSA2, SuperSawndz) are public and have been out for years. There's a ton of "new characters" out on KC-MM, but I don't think there's many that are high-quality.Hey project m look why not just give us the tools to make a character instead of voting I mean we all got diffrent interests?
I saw that Shadic had the last post in this thread atm and all I could think was "Well ****, looks like we finally got ourselves locked"Basically all of our tools (Brawlbox, SmashAttacks, OpenSA2, SuperSawndz) are public and have been out for years. There's a ton of "new characters" out on KC-MM, but I don't think there's many that are high-quality.
The votes are tallied manually. We pretty much just update whenever we have the time to do so.do you guys have a public, updating vote count for this?
I actually agree 100%. I went through and listed PM's characters and Smash 4's, picked out the exclusives each game had that I liked, and realized I already consider them equal as far as my personal favorites go. One more awesome character and Project M will have a superior roster in my eyes.Honestly, with these or similar inclusions, I'd say Project M would end up with a better roster than Smash 4. And that's no joke.
Out of who is left I'm thinking these are the best choices for characters. I agree 100% with your decisions regarding dixie and dark samus over k rool and ridley.In light of Smash 4's disappointing roster...
+Dark Samus
Truth be told, I'm a bit skeptical Ridley can be made to work, but Metroid is deserving of a third rep. Perfect semiclone candidate, already an existing AT model, and is the second-most requested Metroid newcomer.
+Isaac
Face of the Sakurai-ignored Golden Sun series. Already has an AT model. Lots of moveset potential. Highly requested. No-brainer.
+Sami
I'm diggin' the Snake-semiclone idea. Advance Wards NEEDS NEEDS NEEDS representation in Smash 4 and Sakurai's continued mistreatment of the franchise is embarrassing.
+Dixie
Like with Ridley, I'm skeptical K.Rool can be worked in. If anyone can do it, it's the Project M Development Team, but Dixie would likely be a less intimidating project and would satisfy DK fans all the same. Possible semiclone, which is a plus.
+Skull Kid
Would improve what has become a stagnant Legend of Zelda character lineup. (Seriously, the fact that Mario got two newcomers and a reintroduced clone in Smash 4 while Zelda got diddles is ludicrous. Lots of people weren't too happy about this.) Skull Kid is from a beloved game in the franchise, already has an AT, and adds some much needed depth to Smash's list of playable villains.
This covers what I take to be the big holes Smash 4 left open: no new Metroid rep, no new DK rep, no Advance Wars rep, no Golden Sun rep, and no new Zelda rep. Honestly, with these or similar inclusions, I'd say Project M would end up with a better roster than Smash 4. And that's no joke.
In light of Smash 4's disappointing roster...
This covers what I take to be the big holes Smash 4 left open: no new Metroid rep, no new DK rep, no Advance Wars rep, no Golden Sun rep, and no new Zelda rep. Honestly, with these or similar inclusions, I'd say Project M would end up with a better roster than Smash 4. And that's no joke.
Ehhh. That is debatable. We are still somewhat limited on what characters we can choose, because of legal issues and junk, but most of the ones we can choose from are fan favorites. But personally, if the Project M roster is turning out how I think it will, I'm actually going to be less excited for Project M than Smash 4. There is literally like...two...maybe three characters tops that I would desperately like to see. One of them will surely be picked while the other are very iffy. Those being Isaac, Dixie, and Ray MK III. Isaac being the one I expect, Dixie fighting for a spot against K.Rool, and Ray likely being pushed off the roster because of Isaac, Saki, and Sami.PM's roster extension is community made.
Therefore, it will surely surpass Smash 4's.
Unfortunately you can't vote for Bowser Jr. because he is in Smash 4. This is to avoid legal issues with Nintendo that would cause Project M to receive a Cease and Desist notice. Meaning the project would have to be shut down, or face the wrath of Nintendo's lawyers. This is a rule set by the Project M development team themselves.Bowser Jr.- Always loved Bowser, but he is just too slow. He could fix this problem. And would bring back memories of Super Mario Sunshine. He would be much different than his Smash 4 character.
King K Rool- DK needs another rep, and more interesting than Dixie
Pokemon Trainer- Sounds like they could get creative with this one
Ridley- not a Metroid fan, but many people want him and looks like he would be fun to use
Shadow- always liked him and would be easily cloneable, not going to be playable in Smash 4
Sol plz let me dream.Ehhh. That is debatable. We are still somewhat limited on what characters we can choose, because of legal issues and junk, but most of the ones we can choose from are fan favorites. But personally, if the Project M roster is turning out how I think it will, I'm actually going to be less excited for Project M than Smash 4. There is literally like...two...maybe three characters tops that I would desperately like to see. One of them will surely be picked while the other are very iffy. Those being Isaac, Dixie, and Ray MK III. Isaac being the one I expect, Dixie fighting for a spot against K.Rool, and Ray likely being pushed off the roster because of Isaac, Saki, and Sami.
I expect something along the lines of:
-Ridley or Damus
-Dixie or K.Rool
-Isaac
-Sami, Saki, Lyn, or Skull Kid
-Pichu, because of Vet Status. (If not, one of the from the selection above)
Even if the above ends up wrong, I'll still likely end up indifferent or disappointed with anyone aside from Dixie and Isaac.
Unfortunately you can't vote for Bowser Jr. because he is in Smash 4. This is to avoid legal issues with Nintendo that would cause Project M to receive a Cease and Desist notice. Meaning the project would have to be shut down, or face the wrath of Nintendo's lawyers. This is a rule set by the Project M development team themselves.
I guess I'll make the sacrifice for the greater good so the dream can live on. LONG LIVE NINTEN AND MASKED MAN!Sol plz let me dream.
****ing ****head thinking he can be me gtfoPlease stop it, Im dying
Well, if it isn't the Salty Starman.****ing ****head thinking he can be me gtfo
I wouldn't want both of them, tbh. I love Mother with all of my heart bruh. And Masked Man or Ninten would be so cool! That said, I don't think a series should have multiple CE Characters.I guess I'll make the sacrifice for the greater good so the dream can live on. LONG LIVE NINTEN AND MASKED MAN!
-gets out the shotgun- I love you Ray. Goodbye forever. ( ; _________ ; ) /
He freaked me out when he said that I didn't know what he meant.****ing ****head thinking he can be me gtfo
This is absolutely untrue. Consumers are not as creative and imaginative as developers; this is why developers are picked for the jobs in the first place. People think they know what they want, but most fatcats/editors/dev's will tell you strait-up people don't know what they want until it's shown to them by the true visionaries (but maybe with not so much bluntness).PM's roster extension is community made.
Therefore, it will surely surpass Smash 4's.
I was trying to emphasize that members of the community know what the community wants. The post certainly didn't warrant a wall of text.He freaked me out when he said that I didn't know what he meant.
This is absolutely untrue. Consumers are not as creative and imaginative as developers; this is why developers are picked for the jobs in the first place. People think they know what they want, but most fatcats/editors/dev's will tell you strait-up people don't know what they want until it's shown to them by the true visionaries (but maybe with not so much bluntness).
When people do things like put characters in a fighting game roster that the fans want and not what the studio and developers would choose first it is sacrificial "fan service" and purely a gesture of kindness. So, all this being said, I'd honestly be more confident in these hypothetical custom characters if PM were doing it by themselves with no fan influence whatsoever.
Case in point: The two most popular fan-demanded characters in PM and Smash 4 respectively are both blonde-haired anime characters with magic swords. If the masses were to have total control, half the roster would consist of this bland, white-rice JRPG archetype.
I wasn't really meaning both. More along the lines of one or the other. But Ray tho. My hopes and dreams:Well, if it isn't the Salty Starman.
I wouldn't want both of them, tbh. I love Mother with all of my heart bruh. And Masked Man or Ninten would be so cool! That said, I don't think a series should have multiple CE Characters.
I really want someone from:
Mother
DK
Metroid
Other
Then why are you here if you believe that? That is very degrading to say, especially when the Project M Development Team are just as much consumers as they are a dev team. You've already failed the developer mentality with a thought process like this.This is absolutely untrue. Consumers are not as creative and imaginative as developers;
This so much.I wasn't really meaning both. More along the lines of one or the other. But Ray tho. My hopes and dreams:
-Ridley for the deserving fans
-Dixie, because lack of DKC
-Isaac because Golden Sun deserves it
-Whoever the **** from Advance Wars for the same reason as Isaac
-Ray MK III, because Custom Robo is amazing and deserves it just as much as Advance Wars or Golden Sun.
Then why are you here if you believe that? That is very degrading to say, especially when the Project M Development Team is just as much consumers as they are a dev team. You've already failed the developer mentality with a thought process like this.
FixedWaluigi- always been one of my favorite Mario characters. Also people say he isn't in any games, but in my opinion he represents all of the spinoff/sports mario games.
King K Rool- DK needs another rep, and more interesting than Dixie.
Pokemon Trainer- Sounds like they could get creative with this one
Ridley- not a Metroid fan, but many people want him and looks like he would be fun to use
Shadow- always liked him and would be easily cloneable, not going to be playable in Smash 4
I've no problem with anime-esc characters, it's actually my preferred style of character design in any form of media. My issue is solely about a smash roster's stagnancy and redundancy.I was trying to emphasize that members of the community know what the community wants. The post certainly didn't warrant a wall of text.
Also, what's your problem with Anime-esc characters.
If you truly think a dev team is more creative than the consumer, then there obviously must not be any bad videogames. After all, that is what they were hired for right? Oh wait. Sonic 06 was a thing. So was ET. Man, lets not forget tripping was a Brawl mechanic from our genius Sakurai. How many times did that game get delayed again?I've no problem with anime-esc characters, it's actually my preferred style of character design in any form of media. My issue is solely about a smash roster's stagnancy and redundancy.
And yeah I know PMBR are technically amateur fans, but at this point, with their intellectual, artistic, and technical talents, at this point I separate them form the PM fanbase that can be regarded as "consumers".
But I'm giving them credit based on nothing, for all I know their tastes are no different from the masses. I guess we'll find out eventually.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAConsumers are not as creative and imaginative as developers;
Whatever dude. The proof is in the pudding. #mmmpuddingAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Omg, that is the funniest joke I've heard in a long time. You should be a comedian with that wit, seriously.
Shut UP Warsaint! >.>;This is absolutely untrue. .
I'm confused. I mean I find your points valid, even the ones against mine, but I don't know exactly where you stand. I AM saying Shulk wouldn't be in S4 if he didn't cater to the fans exclusively. I'm also saying it was a dumb idea.If you truly think a dev team is more creative than the consumer, then there obviously must not be any bad videogames. After all, that is what they were hired for right? Oh wait. Sonic 06 was a thing. So was ET. Man, lets not forget tripping was a Brawl mechanic from our genius Sakurai. How many times did that game get delayed again?
Creators rely on feedback from the consumers, which means they are relying on the imagination of several hundreds upon thousand upon millions of people who play videogames. They are allowed to take creative authority and include things the user didn't ask for. That is simply a gamble. Rather or not the consumer likes it is completely up in the air. But it is up to the consumer to support and help that development team by giving creative inputs when necessary. I guarantee you Shulk wouldn't have been put in Smash 4 if not for the fans demanding him, nor would have Xenoblade made it across seas for the same reason. It takes fans to make games happen. Without fan input, or fans in general, there would be no point to videogames existing.
See the edit tool there? ...No, not there, there!SORRYY wtf seriously... how can i delete posts -_-?
It probably wasn't his fault. Smashboards sometimes glitches and posts a reply more than once by accident.See the edit tool there? ...No, not there, there!
Yeah, that one on your post. Its next to Report.
thats what happened it posted 3 times not even twice :l weird..It probably wasn't his fault. Smashboards sometimes glitches and posts a reply more than once by accident.
Cause ya know. He clearly edited the second two posts before you even mentioned it.