New Characters for Project M Discussion Thread (Voting Closed)

[Zzuxon]

It's painful to me whenever someone dismisses her just because she's not the main character. She's been in just as many games and is just as an important character as Andy. She also has a better personality to boot.

But she doesn't have a giant wrench.

 

[arcticfox8]

That's what we have REGULAR Smash Bros. for. Let's let Sakurai give us the characters we don't want, and let The PMBR give us the characters we actually do, mkay?

That's not really fair to Sakurai
Sure every Smash game up until now was pretty much staple Nintendo characters and a bunch of semi-obscure Nintendo cousins, but Smash 4 seems to be bringing in some fan-favorites, like Villager, Megaman, Little Mac, and Rosalina.

 

[Sour Supreme]

WARCHAMP WAS VIEWING THE THREAD LOCK YOUR FRONT DOORS, SHUT THE BLINDS, AND HIDE YO KIDS, CUZ THEY BANNIN ERRYBODY OUT HEA.

In all seriousness we should stop talking about leaks probably.

 

[ZeruSlayer]

We shouldn't talk too much about leaks. I remember the PMBR not liking it.

While I'm always happy to see my suggestions getting support, I want to make sure you like the character first. I played a lot of "obscure" retro games when I was younger like Ice Climber, Devil World, Balloon Fight, Excitebike, etc. That's why I end up gravitating towards characters from those games and characters from that era due to my familiarity with them.
I'm not trying to deter you from voting, because like I said, I love seeing support. I just don't want you to feel like you have to support if you really feel indifferent.

Personally, I would like the clone engine characters to be unique in terms of originality, playstyle, and design. I didn't grow up playing retro Nintendo games so I'm not aware of certain games but that doesn't mean I shouldn't give them a chance. Ice Climbers, for example, I knew nothing about that game and when they were introduced in Melee I never personally cared for the character(s) but once I played as them and watched how people could be creative with the character(s) I started to enjoy their inclusion in Smash. Ultimately, I don't know a lot about retro games but I feel they deserve a chance to at least be considered as a potential character slot which is why I enjoy it when people educate me about obscure characters...I welcome it

We need more characters from obscure games, like Captain Rainbow.

I completely agree. I would prefer that an obscure character should receive at least one character slot. Any more and I would assume there will be a lot of negative feedback from the community, but that's the world we live in, there will be someone hating on something.

WARCHAMP WAS VIEWING THE THREAD LOCK YOUR FRONT DOORS, SHUT THE BLINDS, AND HIDE YO KIDS, CUZ THEY BANNIN ERRYBODY OUT HEA.

In all seriousness we should stop talking about leaks probably.

Noted. I probably should've read the rules before signing up. I'll remember this in future smashboards posts

 

[NisforSmash]

I wanted to throw this idea out, a friend of mine wanted to see Pichu added to the game but with a bit of a rework. Now I don't particularly want another Pokemon character but perhaps this is a suggestion for how he could be different.

Instead of simply hurting himself with each attack, why not allow the option to amp up his attacks with an overcharge at the cost of hurting himself? This may mean a powered up version could be faster/do more damage/different hit reaction like meteor etc. Last stock and he could kill with just the right amount of damage? Or they have a stock lead and at a high enough percentage where they would die if hit anyway they may aswell use an overcharged attack to try get as much damage or kamikaze the opponent. Let him overcharge his smash attack by tapping B during it's startup. Or if he needs to overcharge his B moves let him power up by tapping A during it's startup. So long as the boost happens during the startup it means the move has a bit of commitment and people could just spam the safest move he has and then amp it up when they feel like it.

I have always thought the idea of a character who can have devastating attack options at the cost of self harm being pretty interesting, sortof like how the Dark Knights work in various Final Fantasy games mixed with having the option of EX moves in Street Fighter by using meter (only in this case you're choosing to take percentage).

As I said I'm not really wanting more Pokemon especially Pichu but hell even if you're looking for ideas for another character maybe try this. Like Ridley fights pretty recklessly because he's so instinctive and ferocious, perhaps he could amp up the damage of his moves where he slams into the opponent harder by tapping the altering attack button. Or perhaps for Ray Mk II it would be a reference to overcharging laser attacks limiting other options and such from Custom Chibi Robo. I could see this style working with a few characters to allow them a little more move variety and a unique risk/reward no other character if they choose to use it.

I had actually come up with a pichu moveset but didn't decide to post it and part of it had this idea but as a special move. I'd support this for pichu.

 

[Sour Supreme]

For some reason I've warmed up to the idea of Slippy. What's happening.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

People keep saying that at least one slot should go to an obscure character.

Why not Skapon?

Back me up, Cubelarooso.

 

[Cool Blue]

Eh. I don't particularly hate Sukapon, but I would definitely prefer other characters.

 

[ZeruSlayer]

People keep saying that at least one slot should go to an obscure character.

Why not Skapon?

Back me up, Cubelarooso.

In terms of obscure characters he would be my favorite choice in terms of design, but since I am limited with 5 +1 votes I gave Sukapon/Skapon a 1/2 vote. I'm sure if the PMBR is thinking of an obscure character, Sukapon/Skapon would be a top contender

 

[Soupenomics]

Is Ray considered obscure? If so, I'd prefer him as an obscure character. Nothing against Sukapon, I just think Ray is the much more bad ass robot of the two.

 

[Anti Guy]

Is Ray considered obscure? If so, I'd prefer him as an obscure character. Nothing against Sukapon, I just think Ray is the much more bad *** robot of the two.

While certainly not that well known, I don't think it counts as an "obscure" character.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

I'm not knocking any of the others, I voted for most of them but Skapon is the only one I gave a full vote to.

I'd also be fine with Ray or Saki for "obscure" characters.

 

[Zzuxon]

People talk as if Ray and Sukapon are mutually exclusive.
This makes me sad, as they are 2 of the best choices.

 

[ZeruSlayer]

Is Ray considered obscure? If so, I'd prefer him as an obscure character. Nothing against Sukapon, I just think Ray is the much more bad *** robot of the two.

I agree that some people will find Ray obscure but my reasoning in why he isn't obscure is due to the fact that he was introduced as a Melee trophy (more of chance of being known) as opposed to Sukapon who was just introduced in Brawl.

People talk as if Ray and Sukapon are mutually exclusive.
This makes me sad, as they are 2 of the best choices.

By design alone I can agree that Ray and Sukapon can have truly diverse move sets than say Lyn for example. However, I do feel that character familiarity plays a huge factor in choosing a clone engine character. If there were more character slots I would be all for both but given the circumstances I would be grateful if even one of them makes the cut.

 

[Shin F.]

I'm pretty sure that just about any character who made it to Assist Trophy like Ray has is pretty much known, if only in that role.

 

[Darkmask]

Curious ... after taking another look at Kid Icarus: Uprising I am wondering ... are characters like Medusa and Hades strictly off-limits? I mean, to be fair Medusa and Hades are free domain at this point, does Nintendo really have any character copyright claim on them? Might be a dumb question, but I am just curious since these awesome characters are, of course, based on millennia-old myths.

 

[Shin F.]

Curious ... after taking another look at Kid Icarus: Uprising I am wondering ... are characters like Medusa and Hades strictly off-limits? I mean, to be fair Medusa and Hades are free domain at this point, does Nintendo really have any character copyright claim on them? Might be a dumb question, but I am just curious since these awesome characters are, of course, based on millennia-old myths.

Doesn't matter what they're based on - Nintendo still owns those particular depictions of those characters, which clearly have several differences from the originals. It's the same as if someone tried to use Marvel's version of Thor. Even though the original myth is public domain, their depiction of the character is not.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

Doesn't matter what they're based on - Nintendo still owns those particular depictions of those characters, which clearly have several differences from the originals. It's the same as if someone tried to use Marvel's version of Thor. Even though the original myth is public domain, their depiction of the character is not.

This.

Palutena, however, is up for grabs if Sm4sh doesn't use her.

But believe me, Sm4sh is gonna use her so dont hold out hope for that.

 

[JCOnyx]

Kinda like how my whole Dracula concept went down. Doesn't mean a guy can't dream tho...

 

[Darkmask]

This.

Palutena, however, is up for grabs if Sm4sh doesn't use her.

But believe me, Sm4sh is gonna use her so dont hold out hope for that.

I would hope Sm4sh would use her, and to get off-topic for just a moment, I would hope Hades would be included as well, more villains! Give Ganondorf someone manly to wreak havoc with!

And as for the character thing, yeah I expected that to be the answer, but I wanted to ask and be sure.

 

[arcticfox8]

WAIT
Can't we have Medusa tho?
She appears in the original Kid Icarus
guess what game is demo'd in Brawl
Kid Icarus
BOOM win


EDIT: This actually applies to Impa too holy hell am I on to something

 

[Cool Blue]

WAIT
Can't we have Medusa tho?
She appears in the original Kid Icarus
guess what game is demo'd in Brawl
Kid Icarus
BOOM win


EDIT: This actually applies to Impa too holy hell am I on to something

OH JEEZUS.

DOES THIS MEAN

Spoiler

I REGRET NOTHING.

 

[Sour Supreme]

WAIT
Can't we have Medusa tho?
She appears in the original Kid Icarus
guess what game is demo'd in Brawl
Kid Icarus
BOOM win


EDIT: This actually applies to Impa too holy hell am I on to something

So... If the demos count... Then...

Spoiler

HALF-LIFE 3 CONFIRMED!

 

[JCOnyx]

OH JEEZUS.

DOES THIS MEAN

Spoiler

I REGRET NOTHING.

Even better yet

Spoiler

 

[Shin F.]

WAIT
Can't we have Medusa tho?
She appears in the original Kid Icarus
guess what game is demo'd in Brawl
Kid Icarus
BOOM win


EDIT: This actually applies to Impa too holy hell am I on to something

The Japanese version had an Earthbound Masterpiece. That means Giygas is an option, now, too... (using his other appearance, of course )

Assuming that PMBR accepts the reasoning that the characters are technically there.

 

[arcticfox8]

Condor confirmed tho

 

[Sour Supreme]

The Japanese version had an Earthbound Masterpiece. That means Giygas is an option, now, too... (using his other appearance, of course )

Assuming that PMBR accepts the reasoning that the characters are technically there.

SWEET MONKEY GIBLETS I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO HAPPY.

 

[Darkmask]

Are we serious here? Demo's count?

I would love for Medusa to be a character, honestly! She is such an absolutely awesome character in Uprising! The only thing that could be better is if there enough sound clips to keep Cree Summer's voice in the game!

 

[Shin F.]

Are we serious here? Demo's count?

I would love for Medusa to be a character, honestly! She is such an absolutely awesome character in Uprising! The only thing that could be better is if there enough sound clips to keep Cree Summer's voice in the game!

We don't know, but it would certainly open up some possibilities.

 

[Darkmask]

We don't know, but it would certainly open up some possibilities.

I guess we're excited for Medusa, Impa, and Giygas so far if it is true?

 

[Shin F.]

I guess we're excited for Medusa, Impa, and Giygas so far if it is true?

Yep, possibly more but I think those are the biggest ones.

 

[Sour Supreme]

Is the discovery of the demos allowing for a previously ineligible character to be eligible a good enough reason for changing an up vote?.

 

[ElGoombaswag]

In terms of obscure characters he would be my favorite choice in terms of design, but since I am limited with 5 +1 votes I gave Sukapon/Skapon a 1/2 vote. I'm sure if the PMBR is thinking of an obscure character, Sukapon/Skapon would be a top contender

sukapon would be a great idea, but what about a final smash?

 

[UltimateWario]

Is the discovery of the demos allowing for a previously ineligible character to be eligible a good enough reason for changing an up vote?.

I really don't feel like any of the characters made eligible are very big contenders.

Also, you can't POSSIBLY get to Giygas or Medusa in the demos, so I think their eligibility is questionable.

 

[Shin F.]

Is the discovery of the demos allowing for a previously ineligible character to be eligible a good enough reason for changing an up vote?.

Not yet, no. Not until PMBR says whether the Demos count or not. Until they do, I think we should act as if they don't count.

I really don't feel like any of the characters made eligible are very big contenders.

Also, you can't POSSIBLY get to Giygas or Medusa in the demos, so I think their eligibility is questionable.

You could. The demos have the entire game on it. Just use a quick code to have unlimited time, and you can get to them eventually. Besides that, there's no arguing the point that they do, in fact, exist in Brawl's data and can appear. I'm just not sure if the demos count as appearing in 'Brawl' since it's a game within a game.

 

[Sour Supreme]

I really don't feel like any of the characters made eligible are very big contenders.

Also, you can't POSSIBLY get to Giygas or Medusa in the demos, so I think their eligibility is questionable.

I have these,

Spoiler

 

[UltimateWario]

Since the entire "appearing in Brawl" thing is to avoid copyright issues, I suppose them simply appearing in the data (but not actually the game itself without cheating) is good enough in this situation.

 

[Sour Supreme]

Should we make a thread about the eligibility loophole? Or wait for a PMBR to come lurking?

 

[UltimateWario]

Giygas as a Mewtwo clone (he'd have to appear as Giegue, though, right?), Medusa as a Zelda clone, and Impa as a Sheik clone?

Color me disinterested. Though, if we WERE to get a new EB character (meh), I'd want it to be Giygas.

 

[Darkmask]

Don't wanna make the Earthbounders riot, but would Giygas even count then? Earthbound is only in the Japanese version of Brawl, so he's not technically in the data for the US game? Or would that not matter?

Should we make a thread about the eligibility loophole? Or wait for a PMBR to come lurking?

Depends on how badly you want them to be eligible. If you want them to be eligible now so you can start making Giygas, Medusa, and Impa votes, I'd say make a new topic.