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JediLink

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Personally I think spectating sports or games or anything is a bit pointless. I enjoy the occasional pickup game, but can't for the life of me figure out how anyone could ever be invested in a game they (or a loved one) aren't in.
So you don't watch competitive fighting games? Duuuuuuuude. You're missing so much. Watching highest-level play is something totally else. So much awesome stuff happens. Also, watching tournaments lets you pick up so many tricks and learn a lot about the game, especially if the commentators are good.
 

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I mean, I'll watch it for educational purposes but if I wanted Smash I'd just play it myself. Unless, like you mentioned, the commentators are really good there's absolutely nothing I get out of watching other people doing things I enjoy doing that I couldn't get by doing it myself. It's great that some people can get something out of that, but it leaves me baffled.
 

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Street Fighter video
Impressive display of skill, no doubt, but I'd hardly consider watching such a feat interesting. Sorry, I just don't understand how people can find that kind of stuff interesting. It's cool that they do, and I'm not going to try to tell you you're wrong for enjoying it, but it all seems very bleh to me.
 

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Seeing as there are very few people I can play with regularly, I get most of my weekly Smash dose from watching competitions online. Though I get what you mean, I started feeling the same way too 2-3 years ago. I used to love watching hockey but, these days, I just don't have the patience to do so...
 

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I don't know, man.
My friends continue to surprise me with how much they don't know about anything unrelated to video games.
"Michael Jordan? What team is he on?"
Maybe my friends are a weird case, but it's not hard for me to believe that people don't know who Jeremy is.

Now that I'm looking at Chuck's post again though, I think he knows.


This is the extent to which I know anything about sports. Sorry.

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Inversely, while I'm not into Street Fighter at all, once someone told me how hard it was to parry--let alone a SUPER--I couldn't stop myself from ever enjoying this clip. It's still awesome even to a non-player. That should say something.
 
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I'm the same way. Sports just don't interest me in the slightest. When someone I know tries to talk to me about them, I usually just tune it out, smile and nod and agree with what they're saying :p
Haha, yeah. I have no idea about the more complex rules of sports, just the basics. Innings? Halftime? What is this cryptic stuff?

Still, I edited my post a moment ago with that Street Fighter clip--I'm not into Street Fighter at all but I still think that moment is damn fantastic, I get hyped watching it!
 

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Haha, yeah. I have no idea about the more complex rules of sports, just the basics. Innings? Halftime? What is this cryptic stuff?

Still, I edited my post a moment ago with that Street Fighter clip--I'm not into Street Fighter at all but I still think that moment is damn fantastic, I get hyped watching it!
I love the freaking Wombo Combo video so much.
 

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*raises hand* I don't know anything about American sports on account of not being American.

You know for all his apparent popularity I've seen very little talk about Isaac in this thread. I've never played Golden sun so I don't really know what he'd be like other than having a sword and using a giant hand blast. (shove?) So what exactly would he be likely to be like in smash?
In the Golden Sun games, there are rare people, known as adepts, who have the power of psynergy. Psynergy allows for control over the elements as well as various other powers, depending on the adept's elemental alignment.

Isaac has telekinetic powers, as seen from his assist trophy in Brawl. His telekinesis is often represented as a giant white glove, which he can use to push, pull, grab, lift, carry, and pound objects. His other major focus is his control over earth. He can fight with everything from earthquakes to boulders to thorny vines. Technically, he can use the other elements as well depending on his current class, but he's primarily an earth adept.

The first minute of this video shows of some of what Isaac can do (although that is techinically Isaac's son, Matthew, in the video). This is from the DS game, Dark Dawn.

These two videos show off all of the battle psynergy from the first two GBA games.

Even some of the weapons have flashy abilities in the Golden Sun games. This is a compilation of all of the special weapons in the GBA games. Worth noting are 0:43 (Gaia Blade) and 4:17 (Sol Blade), as these are the best earth-aligned weapons in the first and second games respectively, so Isaac might end up wielding one of those as his weapon.

Adepts can also summon gods and demons (and colossal nuke-launching robots) in the fight. Worth noting is Judgment (4:23) is the strongest earth-only summon.
 

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Me too! I It's awesome and imitating the voices is always hilarious.

Lemme find it so we can all enjoy ourselves


Ahh, there we go :awesome:
The guy in the back yelling WOMBO COMBO!!! at 0:34 gets me every time. It's like he was late for the exciting part and just showed up and yelled anyway.

"WOMBO COMBO!!!"
 

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Wombo Combo is a bit different because commentary makes it.
I thought commentary made most plays.

You can see the power in a play but you feel something when everyone gets hyped about it.

I've watched matches with no sound with some Hype plays but it's not the same as having the Hype together.

Same thing goes for sports I would assume. That's why a lot of people get together to watch sports instead of alone. The people that watch them alone also tend to share the stories with friends that root for the same team.

Most notably for me I first watched Round 4 of the loser finals at revival of melee with no sound and I was amazed at that impressive comeback. Watched it with sound afterward....

THE HYPE WAS REAL.
 

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I don't think that's much of an excuse. Basketball is an international sport (whereas it's completely understandable if you said that about American Football). There are tons of NBA merchandising that goes around the world... like hordes of Chinese owning Kobe and LeBron jerseys. I met a French guy in London who was talking about Tony Parker (who's from France). And Australia has its share of players like Andrew Bogut. Either way, names like Michael Jordan are names that transcend nationality. Like I don't follow soccer at all and I know who David Beckham and Pele are.
That's a bit like saying Everywhere knows all about cricket cause people play it in England and Australia and Pakistan and what have you. Normally every built up nation has some form of any sport going on but that doesn't mean it has any more than a niche audience. Hell I played basketball in highschool and I don't care about any of the major teams here or overseas. I do know basketball is one of the biggest deals over in America but it just has no real presence here.
Although I do know who Michael Jordan is, after all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Jam should have been a part of anyone my age's childhood.


I really got a feeling you know what you're talking about, thanks.
 

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Here is a screenshot of my proposed roster assuming there can be eight additional newcomers instead of five. Credit goes to splat for making the pic.



First row: Mario series and spinoff series (Mario, Yoshi, Wario, DK series)

Second row: Handheld series (Pokemon, Golden Sun, Advance Wars)

Third row: HAL developed series, Retros, and third-parties

Fourth row: Nintendo's "adventure fantasy" series (series also with a heavy anime aesthetic and sword/blade wielding protagonists)

Fifth row: Nintendo's "space" series

The eight newcomers are:

- Ridley
- Isaac
- Lyn
- Dixie Kong
- Sami
- Toad
- Pichu
- Dark Samus
 

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Yeah, I agree. It all depends on whether you're interested in the sport or not. For example, I could not care less for soccer which is a big thing over here, nor do I care about basketball or sports like this, but on the other hand I quite like baseball (which is like nonexistent) and tennis which is smaller deal compared to the 'big' sports.

Chrono--> The character select screen is nice and the cast feels rounded. I would be fine with all of these newcomers to be honest, it looks like there's enough diversity to please almost everyone. I know I would like all of them if they made it (even Lyn).
 

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2 concerns: I feel like it should be Andy instead of Sami. Just a preference but he is the main character.
I also feel like one of the Metroids should be scrapped in favor of another series getting a new rep. I would say realistically Kirby. That's the only series I think everyone would be fine getting a new rep from. Other options are Sonic, F-Zero, and Starfox. People apparently hate Sonic with a passion, F-Zero hasn't been relevant in years and really there's no clear choice from F-Zero that seems deserving of the Smash brotherhood, and then there's Starfox. Nobody wants another Spacie even though clearly THE SLIPPY HYPE WOULD BE SO REAL. Anyways, I digress.
Overall I like the layout, very balanced. Aside from those two nitpicks the character choices are fine. Even those two nitpicks are passable because they aren't bad choices. Goo job Chrono and splat.
 

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2 concerns: I feel like it should be Andy instead of Sami. Just a preference but he is the main character.
I also feel like one of the Metroids should be scrapped in favor of another series getting a new rep. I would say realistically Kirby. That's the only series I think everyone would be fine getting a new rep from. Other options are Sonic, F-Zero, and Starfox. People apparently hate Sonic with a passion, F-Zero hasn't been relevant in years and really there's no clear choice from F-Zero that seems deserving of the Smash brotherhood, and then there's Starfox. Nobody wants another Spacie even though clearly THE SLIPPY HYPE WOULD BE SO REAL. Anyways, I digress.
Overall I like the layout, very balanced. Aside from those two nitpicks the character choices are fine. Even those two nitpicks are passable because they aren't bad choices. Goo job Chrono and splat.
The only thing I really agree with here is Andy. Metroid has been under-repped for long enough as it is, in my opinion. I would be okay with Dark Samus being cut for an F-Zero racer, but not for any of the others.
 

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I'm totally fine with ChronoBound's roster, though yeah I'd prefer Andy over Sami. Also I'd trade Pichu for Samurai Goroh if Pichu's popularity didn't suddenly explode.

2 concerns: I feel like it should be Andy instead of Sami. Just a preference but he is the main character.
I also feel like one of the Metroids should be scrapped in favor of another series getting a new rep. I would say realistically Kirby. That's the only series I think everyone would be fine getting a new rep from. Other options are Sonic, F-Zero, and Starfox. People apparently hate Sonic with a passion, F-Zero hasn't been relevant in years and really there's no clear choice from F-Zero that seems deserving of the Smash brotherhood, and then there's Starfox. Nobody wants another Spacie even though clearly THE SLIPPY HYPE WOULD BE SO REAL. Anyways, I digress.
Overall I like the layout, very balanced. Aside from those two nitpicks the character choices are fine. Even those two nitpicks are passable because they aren't bad choices. Good job Chrono and splat.
The only other Kirby reps I can think of are Bandana Dee (who, while awesome, wouldn't be that hype worthy) and Gooey (same) from Kirby's Dream Land 2 and 3. The former could be a unique spear-wielding fighter, while the latter could be a cool Luigified Kirby clone.
 
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Yep. If eight is a possibility, that roster is just fine. I still think they'd go with Bowser Jr. over Toad, just because he's probably alot easier to make, but everyone else seems perfect.

Still though, if they do 5, my sentiments remain that they need a Metroid and DK newcomer, Lyn, Isaac and some Mario rep. Yeah. With 8 there's really no reason not to have Pichu though.
 

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Hey, I just thought of something. If they got BrawlEx working on Project M, they could probably make it so that Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard have their own clone slots fully separated from one another, so that they no longer share resources. I bet they could add Final Smashes to them that way.
 

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if they can get up to 100 characters...couldn't they do young link with a majora's mask moveset? you know, one where he transforms into deku/goron/zora link

be pretty baller
 

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if they can get up to 100 characters...couldn't they do young link with a majora's mask moveset? you know, one where he transforms into deku/goron/zora link

be pretty baller
BrawlEx can support up to 100 but the character select screen only holds up to 50 slots (49 + Random), and it's probably best to not have more than that for the sake of balance.
 

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Hey, I just thought of something. If they got BrawlEx working on Project M, they could probably make it so that Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard have their own clone slots fully separated from one another, so that they no longer share resources. I bet they could add Final Smashes to them that way.
Oh man. I'm like, so hyped for that day. Really hoping you're right. That'd be a great use of the system, since they wouldn't have to do any extra work to the characters (I think?) just work through the program to seperate them.

But wait a minute. How does BrawlEX work? Is it like the clone engine? Would they still need to share final smash resources with another character? (Like Mewtwo and Roy do) I'm imagining that's the case, but I dunno.
 

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They only share graphical resources and soundbanks with their original (though the sound banks can be changed in the same way Roy and Mewtwo were). Final Smashes and such can be completely different. I know because I'm using clones against one another right now with different FInal Smashes :p

ASF1nk, on page 35 on the BrawlEx thread, released a really good pack with 8 added Clones, each with their own CSPs and basically everything but voices if you'd want to try it out. (It's for the homebrew version, not sure who here uses Hackless)
 

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They only share graphical resources and soundbanks with their original (though the sound banks can be changed in the same way Roy and Mewtwo were). Final Smashes and such can be completely different. I know because I'm using clones against one another right now with different FInal Smashes :p
Yeah. If changing the soundbanks means using existing boss sound resources like Roy and Mewtwo did (unless I'm terribly mistaken) I think I'd prefer the Pokemon stay the way they are, just so that other character additions won't have less to work with. Somehow I feel like I'm thinking in the wrong direction though...
 

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Yeah. If changing the soundbanks means using existing boss sound resources like Roy and Mewtwo did (unless I'm terribly mistaken) I think I'd prefer the Pokemon stay the way they are, just so that other character additions won't have less to work with. Somehow I feel like I'm thinking in the wrong direction though...
No, no, they're already in the game so they can just be assigned their original soundbanks with no trouble. They wouldn't need any replaced sounds. Theoretically, they'd basically be a perfect 1:1 clone except for no longer sharing the same Trainer resources. And if they're no longer sharing Trainer's resources... they could theoretically have Final Smashes.
 

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No, no, they're already in the game so they can just be assigned their original soundbanks with no trouble. They wouldn't need any replaced sounds. Theoretically, they'd basically be a 1:1 clone except for no longer sharing the same Trainer resources.
Oh. Well great then! It'd be nice for them to stop sharing the same KO counter in the Records section. (And for Mewtwo and Roy to get their own visible one.) Is that even possible? I feel like they'd have done in with 3.0 for M2 and Roy at least. Hmm...
 

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Oh. Well great then! It'd be nice for them to stop sharing the same KO counter in the Records section. (And for Mewtwo and Roy to get their own visible one.) Is that even possible? I feel like they'd have done in with 3.0 for M2 and Roy at least. Hmm...
No, they'd still share KO count and whatnot. BrawlEx, like PMBR's Clone Engine, writes to the original character's slot to avoid save file corruption.
 

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BrawlEx can support up to 100 but the character select screen only holds up to 50 slots (49 + Random), and it's probably best to not have more than that for the sake of balance.
this would be the only feasible way to add young link i feel and be the only possibility of adding all melee characters, just saying now it's entirely plausible as it only takes up 4/100 slots instead of 4/5 slots like before, and it would only take up one character slot (possibly)
 

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this would be the only feasible way to add young link i feel and be the only possibility of adding all melee characters, just saying now it's entirely plausible as it only takes up 4/100 slots instead of 4/5 slots like before, and it would only take up one character slot (possibly)
Man. If they expressed that Mask Link was a possibility, I'd jump on that harder than anything. That's my dream addition. I'll stick with my expected/necessary roster additions, but keep up hope that it's possible.

It's true though that the 3 slots could be hidden (If that's how BrawlEX works) on Mask Link's character icon. That way, he would really only take up 1/8 on the CSS. If they say they'll do 8 and something like that, I'd gun for that over a Mario addition hardcore.
 
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