New Character to be Shown Monday

[FallofBrawl]

I'm just still mad we're getting a clone. We were THIS CLOSE to a clone-less roster. Just once, I was hoping for a Smash game with no new clones.

Toon Link lol

 

[Deleted member]

I dunno, the fact that Chrom has a unique and fully detailed model suggests a lot of development time was spent on him.

Allow me to turn your attention to THE OVERLY DETAILED SUBSTITUTE DOLL.

Spoiler

 

[TheTuninator]

I'm just still mad we're getting a clone. We were THIS CLOSE to a clone-less roster. Just once, I was hoping for a Smash game with no new clones.

Given how mechanically unique most of the newcomers are, I'm not complaining. Sakurai is really doing a great job at giving us a thematically and mechanically varied cast of newcomers this time around. 11 reveals in and we've only seen one "newcomer", Lucina, who looks or plays anything like an existing character.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Question to all
If you believe in the leak, what would it take for you not to believe in the leak?
If you do not believe in the leak, what would it take for you to believe in the leak?

It seems that since the fence has been built there is not much that can be done to sway a stubborn person from either side. No amount of evidence will stack up. In favor or not in favor.

I want to point out that, even if every character he listed were to be in the game, it would not make the leak true, it would just mean all the characters were in the game. A leak is by definition from a source, and we obviously have no way of knowing this.
If we are going to be as extreme as to claim that incorrectly stating reveal times (Shulk, Pacman, Palutena, Mii, Little Mac), specifically getting character names wrong (Animal Crossing Rep, Goddess Palutena, Pokemon X/Y, getting character cuts vague (Chrom, Lucas or Ness, and missing characters flat out (Rosalina, Robin, Lucina)- then ultimately what did he do? He made a list that had Wii fit trainer included.

 

[LeeYawshee]

Something tells me that Chrom was either meant to be playable or like Amazing Ampharos said, had a ton of work done to him.

The reason why is because when Chrom is summoned via final Smash, he is actually doing a Fire Emblem styled entrance/on-screen appearance.

Next, I slowed down Robin's Final Smash and I saw that each individual animation for Chrom are different for each attack and some even look like ground attacks as well as aerial attacks. We know that Sakurai's art team puts a lot of work into the models, but to this extent? Maybe Chrom was meant to be playable at a time? I hate to say it (And I really hate to say it) but I don't think Gematsu is out just yet. But I also don't think that the other two characters it mentioned are our last newcomers.

So yeah. I'm very indifferent about the leak. I only liked it because it said Palutena and Shulk.

In other news: Watching the Robin trailer in slo-mo makes everyone sounds like drunks. It's great.

 

[Shroob]

Toon Link lol

I was implying NEW clones.

 

[Thedude3445]

I'm just still mad we're getting a clone. We were THIS CLOSE to a clone-less roster. Just once, I was hoping for a Smash game with no new clones.

Uh, Luigi?

Edit: Ninja'd. Either way Lucina will be as much a clone as Wolf, it looks like.

 

[Stalking Fury]

Let's not forget that Dark Pit was hinted at the end of Palutena's trailer. I think he'll probably just be a costume, though.

 

[Nintendotard]

I'm just still mad we're getting a clone. We were THIS CLOSE to a clone-less roster. Just once, I was hoping for a Smash game with no new clones.

On the bright side, Falco and Wolf can both come back now together haha

 

[TheAnvil]

It's still 4 ****ing slots. FE does not deserve 4 ****ing slots.

Fire Emblem didn't need 4 characters, but it is what it is. Fire Emblem never needed 2 characters TBH. After today I think we could see a roster in the mid 50s.

 

[Pyra]

I'm banking on Lucina being a Wolf/Luigi type clone.

 

[Silvera]

I'm just still mad we're getting a clone. We were THIS CLOSE to a clone-less roster. Just once, I was hoping for a Smash game with no new clones.

So you're not surprised that we have even more swordsmen now?

 

[Nintendotard]

Uh, Luigi?

Edit: Ninja'd. Either way Lucina will be as much a clone as Wolf, it looks like.

Really. Luigi plays way differently than Mario -_-. But I guess people could argue the same thing with Toon Link...

Anyways, Lucina looks like a copy and paste of Roy minus the flames. But oh well

 

[Bauske]

Weeeeeeelp, at this point, I don't know what to think! Today started with Rayman being a trophy, then I took a nap, and Robin and Lucina are in the game and Chrom is a final smash summon? I'm really happy for Robin and Lucina fans, but man, seems like such a disservice to Chrom to make him only a final smash summon, doesn't it? I know people have stated before that he's just another "boring swordsman," but other than Robin, he's the main character for Awakening. Just seems odd to me, I dunno.

As for Gematsu, I also don't know what to think there. I agree with the leaker when he said:

"I only know what has been done, not what or when they will be made available. Sakurai may change his mind, and he does all the time. Shulk will not be changed.

I still think Shulk is in, but I also feel like that trailer was specifically poking at the Gematsu leak with Chrom at the end.

In the end, there's NO WAY the leaker had a string of lucky guesses. None. He got 8 out of 11 characters right, and some were obscure or questionable. And Shulk is still possible, but Chrom being deconfirmed does put a lot of stuff into question.

Maybe Sakurai was trying to find the leaker, so he told a few employees Shulk would be confirmed, knowing full well he'd show off Lucina/Robin, just so he could see where the information was getting out at. At this point, I fear for our leaker's job, but it's been pretty evident for a while now that he's not super close to the development team as his information tends to be outdated or only updated directly before an event.

The whole thing is mindblowing though. In the end, I apologize to anyone I may have made mad by defending the leak, but I still stand by the fact that it's mostly right, and you can't guess everything the leaker did. He knew some stuff and obviously had an in at the company somehow, but also wasn't close enough to be 100% accurate all the time and has finally gotten something wrong. I got my Pac-Man though, so in the end I don't care either way. ;D

Also, Dark Pit? Ugh... probably gonna happen now. I was hoping we'd keep clone characters to a minimum this time around, and I guess Toon Link, Lucina, and Dark Pit would only be, what? 3 out of 35? 10%? Not terrible, but still I would have preferred all that time and effort on Mii customization to go to making characters more unique. That's just me though.

 

[supersaiyanmikito]

Point me to the Wii Fit Trainer and Female Robin's own page on the smash bros site then.

Sooooooo... You want Lucina to be a perfect 1:1 clone and also take up a character slot?

The point is that its the same case as the gender alts but this is the first alt that is a completely different character and not just a gender or costume change. This opens a ton of potential for characters that simply can't get in due to being way too similar to already included characters. The Dark Pit cameo at the end of Palutena's trailer now means Dark Pit may be an alt for Pit with different voice clips so he isn't just a texture swap.

 

[Fares612]

Chrom is part of Robin's final Smash it appears. Also Gematsu cannot account for Robin at all, while sending an e-mail just last night claiming that Shulk was to be shown off today. Its dead.

Where is this e-mail? Source?

 

[ToothiestAura]

Point me to the Wii Fit Trainer and Female Robin's own page on the smash bros site then.

If this were the case, she would be the only alt costume to be an entirely different character. So it would only be fair that she gets her own square. A Veteran square, mind you, not a Newcomer rectangle.

 

[ChikoLad]

Going back to support why I think Lucina is just a Marth alt, despite being on the site:

Tekken 6 character select. Look at the very top left. See the grizzly bear? That's Kuma.

Now look at the rest of the roster. Can you find a panda bear (Panda) there? No. That's because you select her by pressing the cross button on Kuma (square button selects Kuma).

However:

http://www.tekken6-official.eu/pages/en/4/tekken-6-characters.html

Panda DOES have her own page on the website, with a separate bio and all.

That's how Lucina is going to work. You just toggle between her and Marth.

 

[ProjectAngel]

Fire Emblem didn't need 4 characters, but it is what it is. Fire Emblem never needed 2 characters TBH. After today I think we could see a roster in the mid 50s.

Never?

Considering how much Awakening sold and how much better known FE became after Melee, I'd say it deserves 4 reps.

Going back to support why I think Lucina is just a Marth alt, despite being on the site:

Tekken 6 character select. Look at the very top left. See the grizzly bear? That's Kuma.

Now look at the rest of the roster. Can you find a panda bear (Panda) there? No. That's because you select her by pressing the cross button on Kuma (square button selects Kuma).

However:

http://www.tekken6-official.eu/pages/en/4/tekken-6-characters.html

Panda DOES have her own page on the website, with a separate bio and all.

That's how Lucina is going to work. You just toggle between her and Marth.

Panda had her own character slot in Tekken Tag 2, FYI.

 

[DakotaBonez]

So will generic avatar Robin be in Smash 5?
I wonder why the new Fire Emblem game got 2 reps, Lucina should've been an alt outfit for Marth, instead she's a clone, jeezus how many characters this game gonna have? I can see it easily breaking 50 now.
Fire Emblem deserves the reps, its nintendo's only hardcore mature franchise thats still relevant, and it has a whopping 11 games.

I still think that Lucina is gonna be an elaborate alt for Marth.

 

[Stalking Fury]

Going back to support why I think Lucina is just a Marth alt, despite being on the site:

Tekken 6 character select. Look at the very top left. See the grizzly bear? That's Kuma.

Now look at the rest of the roster. Can you find a panda bear (Panda) there? No. That's because you select her by pressing the cross button on Kuma (square button selects Kuma).

However:

http://www.tekken6-official.eu/pages/en/4/tekken-6-characters.html

Panda DOES have her own page on the website, with a separate bio and all.

That's how Lucina is going to work. You just toggle between her and Marth.

Why wouldn't she just be an alternate costume though?

 

[LucaSmash]

Going back to support why I think Lucina is just a Marth alt, despite being on the site:

Tekken 6 character select. Look at the very top left. See the grizzly bear? That's Kuma.

Now look at the rest of the roster. Can you find a panda bear (Panda) there? No. That's because you select her by pressing the cross button on Kuma (square button selects Kuma).

However:

http://www.tekken6-official.eu/pages/en/4/tekken-6-characters.html

Panda DOES have her own page on the website, with a separate bio and all.

That's how Lucina is going to work. You just toggle between her and Marth.

Why would Tekken have anything to do with Smash Bros? And that is not going to be the case, Lucina is going to have her own slot on the Roster. Her page says newcomer and she has the newcomer rectangle on the mobile site. She's a seperate character.

 

[SmashShadow]

Villager, Mii, and Robin

YEAR OF THE AVATARS!

 

[Xermo]

Honestly, my biggest disappointment is that more Fire Emblems were revealed. Love the series, disinterested in their smash appearance. Though Robin looks cool, 'cause of magic dynamic.
The sad reality for me is that MOTHER will only stay with 2 reps; one if sakurai buys into the bull**** that he should drop characters from less popular series to satisfy the ****fest that's Zelda/Mario/FE fans. Even F-Zero deserves at least one more rep, but no, not gonna happen.

 

[Bauske]

GameXplain discussion in regards to today's announcements.

 

[ChikoLad]

Never?

Considering how much Awakening sold and how much better known FE became after Melee, I'd say it deserves 4 reps.



Panda had her own character slot in Tekken Tag 2, FYI.

I know, but that was to allow for people to pair Panda up with Kuma, because you can't pair the same character up with themselves, so the normal method doesn't work there. Traditionally though, Panda is an alt for Kuma, but also has her own ending and is a different character in canon.

 

[TheAnvil]

Never?

Considering how much Awakening sold and how much better known FE became after Melee, I'd say it deserves 4 reps.



Panda had her own character slot in Tekken Tag 2, FYI.

It's still a niche franchise with generally low sales.

 

[Niala]

- Sword User
- Lance User
- Axe User
- Magic User
- Rogues
- Transforming Beasts/Dragons

There's more to it than that, though. It depends on how you want to look at it, too, since the games undergo changes to which characters can use which kinds of magic, for example.

Off the top of my head, Fire Emblem 7 differentiated into "types" of magic: Light, Dark, and Anima (elemental.) There are also healers (staff-wielding) and archers on top of the ones you mentioned. However, rogues are more of a specialist sword-users, technically, but sword-users nonetheless. You could even further differentiate into having characters capable of using more than one kind of weapon, such as Robin does. Overall, there's a lot to take from the series, and even more if you consider the massive amount of characters-- though popularity and relevance to the main plot will likely always play a factor.

 

[ChikoLad]

Why would Tekken have anything to do with Smash Bros? And that is not going to be the case, Lucina is going to have her own slot on the Roster. Her page says newcomer and she has the newcomer rectangle on the mobile site. She's a seperate character.

Same dev team, innit?

And Lucina having her own page means nothing, since Panda has her own too.

 

[LucaSmash]

Same dev team, innit?

And Lucina having her own page means nothing, since Panda has her own too.

This is Smash Bros., Sakurai wasn't on the Tekken dev team

 

[Rich Homie Quan]

Sooooooo... You want Lucina to be a perfect 1:1 clone and also take up a character slot?

The point is that its the same case as the gender alts but this is the first alt that is a completely different character and not just a gender or costume change. This opens a ton of potential for characters that simply can't get in due to being way too similar to already included characters. The Dark Pit cameo at the end of Palutena's trailer now means Dark Pit may be an alt for Pit with different voice clips so he isn't just a texture swap.

I'm saying that if the moves are the exact same, I can't see Sakurai giving her her own spot on the web page. If she is a detailed alt, I'm pretty sure the safer and more logical thing to do is to update Marth's page and introduce her as a skin.

Instead, she's given complete newcomer status.

 

[RomanceDawn]

Wow what a turn of events! I was ready to accept Chrom even though I'm not too into him but I am so happy with these 2 new characters. One has to wonder though, after I look at Chrom in game I can't help but wonder if he indeed was chosen to be playable early on and things just changed?

What ever the case the Sal leak is still legit in my eyes but I am sooo happy it is proven to be partially wrong. My Ridley and Dixie hype can now soar to new heights!

 

[gamer8]

Weeeeeeelp, at this point, I don't know what to think! Today started with Rayman being a trophy, then I took a nap, and Robin and Lucina are in the game and Chrom is a final smash summon? I'm really happy for Robin and Lucina fans, but man, seems like such a disservice to Chrom to make him only a final smash summon, doesn't it? I know people have stated before that he's just another "boring swordsman," but other than Robin, he's the main character for Awakening. Just seems odd to me, I dunno.

As for Gematsu, I also don't know what to think there. I agree with the leaker when he said:



I still think Shulk is in, but I also feel like that trailer was specifically poking at the Gematsu leak with Chrom at the end.

In the end, there's NO WAY the leaker had a string of lucky guesses. None. He got 8 out of 11 characters right, and some were obscure or questionable. And Shulk is still possible, but Chrom being deconfirmed does put a lot of stuff into question.

Maybe Sakurai was trying to find the leaker, so he told a few employees Shulk would be confirmed, knowing full well he'd show off Lucina/Robin, just so he could see where the information was getting out at. At this point, I fear for our leaker's job, but it's been pretty evident for a while now that he's not super close to the development team as his information tends to be outdated or only updated directly before an event.

The whole thing is mindblowing though. In the end, I apologize to anyone I may have made mad by defending the leak, but I still stand by the fact that it's mostly right, and you can't guess everything the leaker did. He knew some stuff and obviously had an in at the company somehow, but also wasn't close enough to be 100% accurate all the time and has finally gotten something wrong. I got my Pac-Man though, so in the end I don't care either way. ;D

Also, Dark Pit? Ugh... probably gonna happen now. I was hoping we'd keep clone characters to a minimum this time around, and I guess Toon Link, Lucina, and Dark Pit would only be, what? 3 out of 35? 10%? Not terrible, but still I would have preferred all that time and effort on Mii customization to go to making characters more unique. That's just me though.

Best post I've seen about the leak so far. As for Dark Pit? I don't really think he'll be a newcomer since he was shown already in Palutena's trailer. That just wouldn't seem right, you know? You never know with Sakurai though.

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

Allow me to turn your attention to THE OVERLY DETAILED SUBSTITUTE DOLL.

Spoiler

That doll is not that detailed; it probably took less than 10% of the time Chrom's model did. It just gives the illusion of being really detailed because the textures are really good on it, but that's more a sign that strong artists are working on this game than that the substitute doll is actually a big project model. I mean, we obviously don't know exactly what's going on internal to development or why Robin has a final smash with clearly more work put into it than any other one we've seen that just happens to coincide with a rumored character; we could speculate all day. I'm just saying that there are still a lot of possible worlds in which the leaker did know something. Of course, there are also possible worlds in which he's just a stupid lucky guy whose luck finally ran out. We'll just have to wait and see what else is in the game to judge which mostly means Sakurai is back in full control of what we know when... which very well may have been his intention all along. I mostly make this point because a lot of people are issuing pretty harsh worded condemnations to the leaker, and while we can't really rely on his information any more, it's just way too early to start calling him out as a liar and such. Let's wait for the reveals in terms of what we are sure we know about the game, but I would like to save the judgments for after we are truly confident of what's in the game ourselves.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Next, I slowed down Robin's Final Smash and I saw that each individual animation for Chrom are different for each attack and some even look like ground attacks as well as aerial attacks. We know that Sakurai's art team puts a lot of work into the models, but to this extent? I hate to say it (And I really hate to say it) but I don't think Gematsu is out just yet. But I also don't think that the other two characters it mentioned are our last newcomers..

Well; if Chrom is playable, then I think Dark Pit is playable. Eek.
Though then I think that other things could happen; such as more things from the background (stages, trophies, final smashes, ATs, pokeballs) may step up and be playable.

Bringing up the Lucina thing again. We already know that WFT can be either male or female but I noticed something recent. The Female trailer does in fact talk mid-fight. What are they going to do with the male trainer, give him a female voice? Heck no, they are going to treat him as a separate character by giving him different voice clips. THIS is what Lucina is, stop thinking that Lucina is a completely "new" character. She is an alt for Marth with a different appearance and voice, same thing for female Robin. For all the arguments that she plays different then Marth, the demo at E3 was an early build and they have very likely buffed Marth since then.

Marth has Chrom in his Final Smash?
And Wii Fit Trainer (male) has an icon on the smash site?

 

[Rich Homie Quan]

If this were the case, she would be the only alt costume to be an entirely different character. So it would only be fair that she gets her own square. A Veteran square, mind you, not a Newcomer rectangle.

You know what? I'd be fine with that. But she's getting newcomer love on the web page. I'm going to assume that she's gonna be what Roy is to Marth in melee.

 

[ChikoLad]

This is Smash Bros., Sakurai wasn't on the Tekken dev team

But the Tekken team is making Smash.

I'm just rationalising an otherwise confusing situation.

 

[Trick or Treat]

Remember when Rayman was shown as a trophy, guys?

 

[Rich Homie Quan]

That doll is not that detailed; it probably took less than 10% of the time Chrom's model did. It just gives the illusion of being really detailed because the textures are really good on it, but that's more a sign that strong artists are working on this game than that the substitute doll is actually a big project model. I mean, we obviously don't know exactly what's going on internal to development or why Robin has a final smash with clearly more work put into it than any other one we've seen that just happens to coincide with a rumored character; we could speculate all day. I'm just saying that there are still a lot of possible worlds in which the leaker did know something. Of course, there are also possible worlds in which he's just a stupid lucky guy whose luck finally ran out. We'll just have to wait and see what else is in the game to judge which mostly means Sakurai is back in full control of what we know when... which very well may have been his intention all along. I mostly make this point because a lot of people are issuing pretty harsh worded condemnations to the leaker, and while we can't really rely on his information any more, it's just way too early to start calling him out as a liar and such. Let's wait for the reveals in terms of what we are sure we know about the game, but I would like to save the judgments for after we are truly confident of what's in the game ourselves.

Hey man, how confident are you in Lucina being somewhat different than marth gameplay-wise? That she's not just a skin?

 

[LeeYawshee]

Well; if Chrom is playable, then I think Dark Pit is playable. Eek.
Though then I think that other things could happen; such as more things from the background (stages, trophies, final smashes, ATs, pokeballs) may step up and be playable.



Marth has Chrom in his Final Smash?
And Wii Fit Trainer (male) has an icon on the smash site?

Oops, I cut out part of what I said. I meant to say that Chrom might have been playable at a time, but not anymore. I'll edit the previous post.​