NEW CHARACTER: Nana?

[Rhubarbo]

With the advent of Brawl+, character creation is now an option to the community. However, without ISO hacking now, importing new models is not possible. This hampers the character creation process. My character suggestion however requires no model importing, or texture hacking for that matter!

Nana! The Ice Climbers' play style has always revolved around de-synching and double grabbing. My character suggestion, Nana, removes Popo from the mix and allows Nana to go solo. Nana's meta game now would be totally different than if she were bound to her brother(/husband?).

Nana would need several buffs to be a viable character, and those would come over time as the result of extensive play testing. So, I extend the invitation of making Nana to all hackers. Community feedback would be appreciated.

 

[Jigglymaster]

Nana has some differences from Popo like she can spike with Fair while Popo can't.

 

[~tgm_Zeej]

Those traits aren't tied to Nana though. They're tied to the sub climber.

But yeah, what the eff would the point be of playing a single climber? xD

 

[Arkaether]

The same as playing Solimar. For lulz.

 

[Rhubarbo]

Well actually, the reason of playing as a single climber would be you'd be trading away your partner for a more powerful, heartier single climber. The meta game would change too. The Ice Climbers current meta game revolves around grabbing with one climber and comboing with another. This would change.

 

[AranOcean]

Would her recovery improve? Surely you can't have Nana with her Solo Climber recovery.

 

[dabridge]

I'm guessing that would be one of the buffs. Well, I'm interested in this, too bad I'm not a hacker to make this happen. >_<

 

[Melomaniacal]

I actually like that idea a lot. It could work pretty well.

Buff recovery to travel higher, less landing lag on dair, maybe a better grab range, squall would need some buffs. I think it'd be pretty **** sweet, actually.

 

[Rhubarbo]

The side b would also travel a longer distance.

 

[JCaesar]

You could make her up-B like Yoshi's. Doesn't put you in specialfall so you can do it repeatedly, but the boost it gives you gets smaller with each one. The only problem is it doesn't have a hitbox so it would still be very vulnerable. Maybe you could give it something like Olimar's whistle armor?

 

[mofo_]

this would be great since theres already a Nana on the Custom CSS

maybe make ice block freeze at very low percent

 

[Melomaniacal]

You could make her up-B like Yoshi's. Doesn't put you in specialfall so you can do it repeatedly, but the boost it gives you gets smaller with each one.

I think that would be harder than it seems. Yoshi's up-B momentum is pretty weird. I don't know much about the hacking, but it seems like it'd be very hard to make it like that.
I think it would be easier if it was just made to go higher.

 

[Shadow13]

Would her recovery improve? Surely you can't have Nana with her Solo Climber recovery.

belay would probaably be nerfed and become just a tether recovery like ivysaur

 

[REL38]

Nana has some differences from Popo like she can spike with Fair while Popo can't.

Wait, isn't that the only difference?

 

[Melomaniacal]

Wait, isn't that the only difference?

She's a woman?

 

[JustNoOne]

SoNa (Solo Nana) or rather the second climber also has less damage on attacks as well as knockback.

If you are going to make SoNa or SoPo a character by them self, I suggest making the squall to have similar properties as Melee and or even maybe make SoNa's UpB recover like G&W?

 

[Vyse]

You could make her up-B like Yoshi's. Doesn't put you in specialfall so you can do it repeatedly, but the boost it gives you gets smaller with each one.

That would be the cutest recovery ever.

 

[Revven]

There's already a code to play as Nana. >.>

 

[Melomaniacal]

There's already a code to play as Nana. >.>

A crappy Nana. Doesn't count.

 

[Deleted member]

Sounds like a boring character to play.

 

[It's a forum]

Why stop at Nana? We could buff Alloys and nerf WarioMan and Giga Bowser...
Has anyone tried a code to start as WarioMan yet?

 

[REL38]

She's a woman?

Of course not. It's a Nana. It doesn't get an article.

 

[Melomaniacal]

Of course not. It's a Nana. It doesn't get an article.

Hey, don't insult Popo's girl. He'll find you.

Why stop at Nana? We could buff Alloys and nerf WarioMan and Giga Bowser...
Has anyone tried a code to start as WarioMan yet?

Alloys doesn't seem like a bad idea.


...wait... yes it does.

 

[mofo_]

Why stop at Nana? We could buff Alloys and nerf WarioMan and Giga Bowser...
Has anyone tried a code to start as WarioMan yet?

with the Custom CSS, you can choose to start as solo popo, solo nana, alloys, warioman, and giga

i think allowing alloys to grab edges , makeing them way stronger and making them heavier without losing their floatiness would be good :D i also like how red alloy's dair always meteor smashes ,but for recoveries perhaps give blue/yellow/red one more extra jump

 

[REL38]

Hey, don't insult Popo's girl. He'll find you.

Aren't they actually related though? They look almost EXACTLY alike.

Using characters like WarioMan, Giga, and the Alloys reminds me of action replay back in Melee.

 

[Rhubarbo]

Sounds like a boring character to play.

How so? It would be just like a regular character.

 

[metaXzero]

Aren't they actually related though? They look almost EXACTLY alike.

Using characters like WarioMan, Giga, and the Alloys reminds me of action replay back in Melee.

Popo and Nana's relationship is unknown. They could be siblings or they could be lovers. Who knows.

Warioman and Giga Bowser no matter how I look at it will just be superior or (if over-nerfed) inferior versions of their non FS forms.

What would alloys offer over their base characters?

 

[Rhubarbo]

Popo and Nana's relationship is unknown. They could be siblings or they could be lovers. Who knows.

Warioman and Giga Bowser no matter how I look at it will just be superior or (if over-nerfed) inferior versions of their non FS forms.

What would alloys offer over their base characters?

Yup, all of those would be pointless competitively. Giga Bowser would be broken though because he can't be grabbed too. For novelty they're fine.

 

[Sukai]

It's possible to have Nana as her own individual Character Select icon, but I don't know about anything else.
Balay would be frikk'n useless, and you should give her a sweetspot aerial like Falcon's knee. Make it Ice Element and meteor spike.

 

[Rhubarbo]

I figure you could just extremely buff the side b so there is no down grav on it.

 

[bleyva]

Why stop at Nana? We could buff Alloys and nerf WarioMan and Giga Bowser...
Has anyone tried a code to start as WarioMan yet?

if you nerf warioman, wouldnt that just make him wario with a new texture?

and last i checked, Giga bowser cant get hurt, therefore, there are no such flinching/knockback animations for him that would be used for his standardized character, i think thats a no-go.

btw would nana be interchangeable with popo as a lone climber? if not, THIS PROJECT IS SEXIST

 

[GenoGar]

If it's possible, just make it a choice to have Nana as the leader (with Popo as the partner) and make some key differences in different moves to differentiate the two leaders. After Nana loses Popo, then you can really see how different the solo climbers operate (Ice Climber ditto... Popo vs Nana? )

you should give her a sweetspot aerial like Falcon's knee. Make it Ice Element and meteor spike.

I like that idea. In fact, giving her hammer an ice attribute in her moves would really make her look flashy (and different... like Lucario ). Is Ice strong against Ivy?

...

On a somewhat related note, I miss the option of choosing Nana in Melee...

 

[Deleted member]

How so? It would be just like a regular character.

Yeah, unlike the Ice Climbers who AREN'T a regular character. Remove the thing that makes them unique and you're left with this, just another plain, boring character.

 

[•Col•]

Err... Last I checked... Doesn't the lead Ice Climber change depending on the color you pick...? o-o

 

[Deleted member]

Err... Last I checked... Doesn't the lead Ice Climber change depending on the color you pick...? o-o

Yes, it does.

 

[xDD-Master]

Why not making Pepe alone ?

Or just changing the one you are playing, so there would be two different IC typs.

Or further more, there could be 4 different styles:
-Normal ICs (Playing Pepe, Nana is CPU)
-Mirrored ICs (Playing Nana, Pepe is CPU)
-Pepe alone with a lot buffs
-Nana alone with a lot buffs

What also would be cool if we could chain characters together so they would work like the ICs, my first Idea:
Mario Bros. - Playing Mario and having Luigi as Com.

LOLOLOLOLOL

This could be so epic XD

 

[GenoGar]

Why not making Pepe alone ?

Or just changing the one you are playing, so there would be two different IC typs.

Or further more, there could be 4 different styles:
-Normal ICs (Playing Pepe, Nana is CPU)
-Mirrored ICs (Playing Nana, Pepe is CPU)
-Pepe alone with a lot buffs
-Nana alone with a lot buffs

It sounds great on paper, but Ice Climbers were meant to be played as a duo imo.

What also would be cool if we could chain characters together so they would work like the ICs, my first Idea:
Mario Bros. - Playing Mario and having Luigi as Com.

LOLOLOLOLOL

This could be so epic XD

If you do that, you take away the thing that makes Ice Climbers so special. Also consider how broken that could be... Mario Grabs, Luigi Up B's.............. RIGGED.

 

[Elwood]

-Normal ICs (Playing Pepe, Nana is CPU)
-Mirrored ICs (Playing Nana, Pepe is CPU)
-Pepe alone with a lot buffs
-Nana alone with a lot buffs

This is what I'd like to see specifically - the ability to play as the Ice Climbers normally, as well as the ability to pick up solo Popo and solo Nana on their own and have them be viable characters. I do wonder if it's feasible though - would it be possible to change the stats of one Ice Climber and not affect when you're playing as both Ice Climbers? I don't think it'd be terribly fair to play as the Ice Climbers team and have each one of them be as strong as a character on their own.

On a related note, if this does get seen through to completion, is there a way to make a Nana icon on the character select screen? I know you can make an icon for her, but it's a picture of ROB.

 

[Rhubarbo]

That's what I'm wondering too. Can you buff the solo climber (Nana) and leave the duo climbers unchanged?

 

[smashbro29]

this would be great since theres already a Nana on the Custom CSS

maybe make ice block freeze at very low percent

Really? I have the latest nightly build and there's no nana.