Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Oh that's not very comforting.
So, I recently lost the battle. My friend finally got me into Kpop. I hate myself.
BUT IT'S SO CATCHY AND THE PEOPLE ARE CUTE.
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- Thread starter Nido
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So, I recently lost the battle. My friend finally got me into Kpop. I hate myself.
BUT IT'S SO CATCHY AND THE PEOPLE ARE CUTE.
M
+9999999999
We still haven't had the epic match to claim the title "Low tier main champ of Australia"
edit: Eagle it's only just now occurred to me you seem to have a strange fetish for magnet and PKjump. =S
Neon Ness
Designated Procrastinator
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We've lost another one.
I refuse to succumb though. Just... way too much autotune for me to comprehend. At least in the few songs I heard... most of them probably aren't like that.
I wonder why kpop seems to be catching on all of a sudden? Or maybe I just haven't been paying attention.
Eagleye893
Smash Champion
not a fetish...
I just like finding good uses for moves.
I'm saying all these: NEEDS MOAR PSIMAG! NEEDS MOAR DTILT!!! NEEDS MORE DASH ATTACK!!! GOTTA USE BAIR MORE!!! PKJUMP NEEDS A REVIVAL!!! FH IS BETTER THAN SH IN MANY INSTANCES!!! and OMFG WTF FTILT!
I wouldve said PKFLASH FTW!!! but i don't use it as much anymore.
oh yeah, DTHROW TO PKT IS TOO PRO!! BUT DON'T ALWAYS GO RIGHT AT YOUR OPPONENT OR ELSE THEY'LL CANCEL THE PKT WITH AN ATTACK!
EDIT: REVERSE HYPHEN USMASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDIT2: I only like KH openings, rurouni kenshin, and maybe one other random Jpop song more for the fact that they are well made. Otherwise, it's like nails on a chalkboard. So high pitched... It's like listening to my little brother whine all day.
I just like finding good uses for moves.
I'm saying all these: NEEDS MOAR PSIMAG! NEEDS MOAR DTILT!!! NEEDS MORE DASH ATTACK!!! GOTTA USE BAIR MORE!!! PKJUMP NEEDS A REVIVAL!!! FH IS BETTER THAN SH IN MANY INSTANCES!!! and OMFG WTF FTILT!
I wouldve said PKFLASH FTW!!! but i don't use it as much anymore.
oh yeah, DTHROW TO PKT IS TOO PRO!! BUT DON'T ALWAYS GO RIGHT AT YOUR OPPONENT OR ELSE THEY'LL CANCEL THE PKT WITH AN ATTACK!
EDIT: REVERSE HYPHEN USMASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDIT2: I only like KH openings, rurouni kenshin, and maybe one other random Jpop song more for the fact that they are well made. Otherwise, it's like nails on a chalkboard. So high pitched... It's like listening to my little brother whine all day.
Dajayman
Banned via Administration
BoA is legit Neon. She's like the korean Lady Gaga. BoA is Beat of Angel, which is true she is an angel. <3
T-block
B2B TST
Awwwww yeah <3Oh that's not very comforting.
So, I recently lost the battle. My friend finally got me into Kpop. I hate myself.
BUT IT'S SO CATCHY AND THE PEOPLE ARE CUTE.
'cept neither of you are low tier anymore =\We still haven't had the epic match to claim the title "Low tier main champ of Australia"
edit: Eagle it's only just now occurred to me you seem to have a strange fetish for magnet and PKjump. =S
and Toby no longer mains PT =(
Yink
The Robo-PSIentist
No, I'll be changing it back soon!
Dude, Monday night, you and me.
I don't know man, I think it seriously depends on who you're playing and what the situation is. I personally don't like GaW because I think the style to play him in is very simple (which is probably wrong, I'm no GaW master or anything), but I think you can be very creative with Ness both on AND offline. If it doesn't work for you, I'm sorry bro.
Lightosia
Smash Journeyman
Thanks for all the tips.
I'll do my best tomorrow. =)
I'll do my best tomorrow. =)
ruin`
Smash Journeyman
Bartolon
Smash Lord
hehe I got the PK jump down now.. but,
I can only use it when I place my middle finger on the x button and my index finger on the b button ;__;
I can only use it when I place my middle finger on the x button and my index finger on the b button ;__;
Joker490Frozen
Smash Champion
That's why I have my R button as jump so then I always have my thumb near the A,B or C stick. Otherwise I don't think I could do stuff like that ^.^
milesg2g
Smash Champion
Is PK jump really all that neccessary? I mean I feel as if it could just easily get Ness in a bad situation if he misses :s
Bartolon
Smash Lord
Got it now, using y as special and x to jump
*Tyson*
Smash Ace
Good man, this is what i have been doing. Makes things a lot easier for Ness and Lucas
_clinton
Smash Master
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If you B-stick it you can retreat, stay your ground, and so on pretty easily, plus you can throw out one fire per jump you know.
It isn't doing anything like making PKF anywhere as good as PKT or for that matter Lucas' PKF, but it does help make Ness' PKF better somewhat, and for starters you might trap someone better with it because overall the launch rate of Fire is faster with it.
Eagleye893
Smash Champion
Here's what it does:
Forward boost AND/OR a jump up. That forward lunge is so good at closing the distance in comparison to other options that ness has. It probably does come out earlier, but I don't notice.
As a followup, you have lots of things.
If going behind opponent, bair uair and AD are all good options, but I say that last one needs to be ff'd. Uair comes quick and can hit hard behind ness. Probably the best option out of pkjump. Bair is best if you can use it so that the instant you land it comes out and hits the opponent. Airdodge is only really good behind the opponent to avoid grabs. You can use dsmash fairly easily from that. Or turn around and jab. Or jump and bair/nair.
In front of the opponent, you have a bit of trouble. You can retreat the end with a fair, which I find the safest out of it if you aren't able to land perfectly. You can nair or uair, but it's less safe. Pkt from it is bad unless your opponent retreats a ton or is hit by the bolt from pkfire. Psimag doesn't give a big push. Meh.
With pkfire hit, it's almost an assured uair. It sets up great, even if they DI, they would need to have good foresight and react perfectly. Also fair to another aerial. Everything is meant to lead to an extremely quick second hit.
Forward boost AND/OR a jump up. That forward lunge is so good at closing the distance in comparison to other options that ness has. It probably does come out earlier, but I don't notice.
As a followup, you have lots of things.
If going behind opponent, bair uair and AD are all good options, but I say that last one needs to be ff'd. Uair comes quick and can hit hard behind ness. Probably the best option out of pkjump. Bair is best if you can use it so that the instant you land it comes out and hits the opponent. Airdodge is only really good behind the opponent to avoid grabs. You can use dsmash fairly easily from that. Or turn around and jab. Or jump and bair/nair.
In front of the opponent, you have a bit of trouble. You can retreat the end with a fair, which I find the safest out of it if you aren't able to land perfectly. You can nair or uair, but it's less safe. Pkt from it is bad unless your opponent retreats a ton or is hit by the bolt from pkfire. Psimag doesn't give a big push. Meh.
With pkfire hit, it's almost an assured uair. It sets up great, even if they DI, they would need to have good foresight and react perfectly. Also fair to another aerial. Everything is meant to lead to an extremely quick second hit.
/EnergyProof\
Smash Rookie
Hello everyone im new to the boards and just wanted to say hey to everyone.
Ive been playing brawl all night with my brother and man let me tell you.. this is our first night doing doubles together with lucas and ness and we came up with a 0-death wombo combo. Its flawless but hard to actually pull off but if you learn it then its just amazing. It would be hard to explain how to do it so maybe one day i will make a vid of it. Or maybe someone will see us do it at a tournament one day lol.
Ive been playing brawl all night with my brother and man let me tell you.. this is our first night doing doubles together with lucas and ness and we came up with a 0-death wombo combo. Its flawless but hard to actually pull off but if you learn it then its just amazing. It would be hard to explain how to do it so maybe one day i will make a vid of it. Or maybe someone will see us do it at a tournament one day lol.
milesg2g
Smash Champion
I just think this is all a bit risky to do w/ Ness while in a serious match. Good players will catch on to it. Also looky looky.
1: Kismit
2: Reflex
3: Scatt
4: Billy
5: Michael
5: 4GOD
7: NeoX
7: Dynomite
9: Milesgtg
9: Player 1
9: Player3
9: George
13: Zero Gamer
13: Kola
13: HiChez
13: Will_
17: A-Wall
17: Loda
17: Link Queen
17: Mercy
17: ICE!?
17: Sonic-Rave
17: I Robot
17: LEC
25: NoID
25: APC
25: Kid EZ
25: A.Bot
25: AML?!
25: Fourty
25: Mike
25: TaterSack99
That was today, I placed 9th w/ Ness/MK :D
1: Kismit
2: Reflex
3: Scatt
4: Billy
5: Michael
5: 4GOD
7: NeoX
7: Dynomite
9: Milesgtg
9: Player 1
9: Player3
9: George
13: Zero Gamer
13: Kola
13: HiChez
13: Will_
17: A-Wall
17: Loda
17: Link Queen
17: Mercy
17: ICE!?
17: Sonic-Rave
17: I Robot
17: LEC
25: NoID
25: APC
25: Kid EZ
25: A.Bot
25: AML?!
25: Fourty
25: Mike
25: TaterSack99
That was today, I placed 9th w/ Ness/MK :D
Eagleye893
Smash Champion
good players will catch on, but as they do you vary it much much more.
While players CAN catch on, you can mindgame. This is why my dtilt ideas work. While it works for those who don't know, the two quick dtilt and immediate followup, the smart players who pick up will adjust to mainly that usage, since I've used it so safely. I switch to one hit for those who shield the second, and keep hitting for those that don't have a super quick grab and refuse to shield. the ones with a quick grab, I tend to use dtilt much less.
apply this to pkjump. You've got many ways to use it. wavebounce, forward, reverse, standstill, short horizontal, ledge jumping getup to pkjump... etc. Combine all that with the fact that you can do it after a FH or SH aerial and almost always get an aerial hit to protect. There are infinitely more variations for keeping it mixed up, and even if your opponent can see in time and shield, only a few characters can get the hit off on you as you drop down. I think you should be able to airdodge in time if you do predict that you are going to get hit by something. Almost all variations of it allow a safe end....
But on that note, if you mess up with making it an actual PK Jump, you screw yourself over. If you know beforehand that you're going to mess up, you should wavebounce the DJCPKfire or just regular PKfire to avoid as much punishment as possible by getting the most distance away from your opponent. That's what I do, because I know where I'm going to mess up.
While it is easy to catch on to and sometimes to punish, the same can be said of FH PKfire... in fact, FH PKfire is infinitely more unsafe.
What is needed when using PKjump is a knowledge of the range. If you know that, you can both plan on the timing of the bolt hitting the opponent or their shield and your followup to ensure your safety. If you get it just out of range, the opponent will be like "WTF? LOL" sometimes and you get an aerial hit. Higher up players will take that opportunity to get off an aerial, so immediately airdodge or use bair/nair/uair, depending on the character.
TL;DR: The same can be said of everything; all options are predictable when known, but your ability to vary them is what makes win out of it. Know your options with your moves and how to transition between them well. Know them in and out, more than you think you already know them.
EDIT:
Oops... I was dumb... wrong focus.
Congrats dude! At least you're at 9. Higher tourney rep than I ever got (I've gotta get to more tourneys so I can see how well I can do...)
While players CAN catch on, you can mindgame. This is why my dtilt ideas work. While it works for those who don't know, the two quick dtilt and immediate followup, the smart players who pick up will adjust to mainly that usage, since I've used it so safely. I switch to one hit for those who shield the second, and keep hitting for those that don't have a super quick grab and refuse to shield. the ones with a quick grab, I tend to use dtilt much less.
apply this to pkjump. You've got many ways to use it. wavebounce, forward, reverse, standstill, short horizontal, ledge jumping getup to pkjump... etc. Combine all that with the fact that you can do it after a FH or SH aerial and almost always get an aerial hit to protect. There are infinitely more variations for keeping it mixed up, and even if your opponent can see in time and shield, only a few characters can get the hit off on you as you drop down. I think you should be able to airdodge in time if you do predict that you are going to get hit by something. Almost all variations of it allow a safe end....
But on that note, if you mess up with making it an actual PK Jump, you screw yourself over. If you know beforehand that you're going to mess up, you should wavebounce the DJCPKfire or just regular PKfire to avoid as much punishment as possible by getting the most distance away from your opponent. That's what I do, because I know where I'm going to mess up.
While it is easy to catch on to and sometimes to punish, the same can be said of FH PKfire... in fact, FH PKfire is infinitely more unsafe.
What is needed when using PKjump is a knowledge of the range. If you know that, you can both plan on the timing of the bolt hitting the opponent or their shield and your followup to ensure your safety. If you get it just out of range, the opponent will be like "WTF? LOL" sometimes and you get an aerial hit. Higher up players will take that opportunity to get off an aerial, so immediately airdodge or use bair/nair/uair, depending on the character.
TL;DR: The same can be said of everything; all options are predictable when known, but your ability to vary them is what makes win out of it. Know your options with your moves and how to transition between them well. Know them in and out, more than you think you already know them.
EDIT:
Oops... I was dumb... wrong focus.
Congrats dude! At least you're at 9. Higher tourney rep than I ever got (I've gotta get to more tourneys so I can see how well I can do...)
Bartolon
Smash Lord
Gonna **** Orion next tourney, HYESZ.
/EnergyProof\
Smash Rookie
I need serious help everyone. Me and my brother was just now playing brawl and we was trying to perfect our wombo combo and he just kept goofing around and **** and i just cant take it anymore, he says i take the game to serious but you kinda have to take it a little serious when your talking about going to tournaments and actually trying to win them.
Im just not sure what i want to do anymore because i now know that he isnt going to be commited to actually learning really good combos because he can never take anything serious and the only reason why i started maining ness is because he mains lucas and we wanted to be tag team partners.
So what i want to ask you all is what is a character that you can actually take seriously at tournaments and stuff and that has tons of combos... someone like wolf that can actually pull off 0-death combos.
Im the type of person that doesnt like characters like MK and Ness because they cant combo worth a flip, they just fight good lol.
So i was thinking of someone like Wolf or ZSS or someone like that.
What do you all think?
Im just not sure what i want to do anymore because i now know that he isnt going to be commited to actually learning really good combos because he can never take anything serious and the only reason why i started maining ness is because he mains lucas and we wanted to be tag team partners.
So what i want to ask you all is what is a character that you can actually take seriously at tournaments and stuff and that has tons of combos... someone like wolf that can actually pull off 0-death combos.
Im the type of person that doesnt like characters like MK and Ness because they cant combo worth a flip, they just fight good lol.
So i was thinking of someone like Wolf or ZSS or someone like that.
What do you all think?
milesg2g
Smash Champion
More Ness than MK of course. Or @ least I remember it like that lol. My C-stick broke during the tourney so I sorta got screwed over e.e
Also! LUCARIO IS A ****** OMG!
I had to play a Lucario named ZeroGamer, it was the most annoying set I've ever won lol let me tell you.
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Hah, combos in Brawl.
Just so you know, the only character that really has combos is... Nobody? Combos generally only last 2-3 hits, there are no 0-deaths.
Dajayman
Banned via Administration
I love how people use the term 0-to-death in Brawl. It's original meanmg are those 0-to-death inescapable combos from SSB64. But in Brawl people think of it as when you kill your opponent from 0% without takings any damage.
*Tyson*
Smash Ace
Yeah, i think he just may have no idea how competitive brawl really is. (Which is ok, we all start somewhere)
Purple
Hi guys!
milesg2g
Smash Champion
You've posted in the last three threads I have e_e lol.
Yink
The Robo-PSIentist
My name will be changed back to Yink soon.
Just an FYI. xD
Just an FYI. xD
Dajayman
Banned via Administration
I'm going to be changing my name to Nessence now. :3
*Tyson*
Smash Ace
And i am going to change my name to Dajayman
Eagleye893
Smash Champion
I'm gonna make change for a dollar.
BluePSI
Smash Champion
I'll be away alot again, I just got a gameboy volour and pokemon red and yellow :D