Ness is out: Come and help those in denial...

[TheBuzzSaw]

You know, I wonder if people in other countries are freaking out over the English version.

 

[Bajef8]

You know, I wonder if people in other countries are freaking out over the English version.

that would be ironic.

 

[Johnknight1]

I still have yet to see proof that the English translation is wrong.

Ya, but the German and Italian translation seemed intresting, and the Japanese translation only seemed a bit diffrent. Not that it was wrong-but a straight forward translation is hard to do. Still, one little thing hard to translate could mean lots of diffrences, thoug h there isn't any major diffrence between the two.

"It's not over til' it's over", in other words. I still have some hope-though I'm not betting either way. I don't see any real reason to remove Ness. Why not just cut Dr. Mario, Pichu, and maybe Shiek or Roy and return everyone else=???

Anyways, I still think this is a overly biased move. Killing a character we all knew for some "new guy" is stupid, seriously. I hate Japan only characters as PCs in SSB with a passion-until they appear in their original series in a game that isn't Japan only. (ie: Roy's cameo appearance; Fire Emblem 1's remake on the DS that stars Marth).

Sakurai has had two extra months than ever before-enough time to at least add Ness. >_<

 

[Chepe]

Read the first line...in Spanish? (I actaully translated it, [using my knowledge of Spanish and a translater] and it sounds diffrent from English)Japanese? [used a translater only; bear with me please] French? [a diffrent side of the story]

Here's the Spanish Translation of the first paragraph thingy:

Surely you will agree of Ness, a personage that appeared in previous editions of Smash Bros. Therefore well, Lucas very is seemed to him. In fact, they stem from the same family of users of PSI.
Nevertheless, their style of battle is quite different, since do not have the same movements.

Knowing Spanish all my life, I will fix this one. Its European Spanish, but I understand most of their differences to know what it means. No offense, its just that I guess its a little hard for people to efficiently translate things without being long-term speakers (most Spanish translations for U.S. warnings and notices out there are almost always wack, it kinda bugs me)...

"Surely you will remember Ness, a character that appeared in previous editions of Smash Bros. Well good (this sounds weird but perhaps it sounds ok in Spain), Lucas is very similar to him. They even come from the same family of PSI users.

However, his style of combat is very different, now that they don't have the same moves." (this makes it sound like they were in together at some time, but its probably just a mistake)

 

[ThoraxeRMG]

I wonder if there would be something or someone that would actually support Ness.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

I wonder if there would be something or someone that would actually support Ness.

*crickets chirp*

 

[Johnknight1]

Knowing Spanish all my life, I will fix this one. Its European Spanish, but I understand most of their differences to know what it means. No offense, its just that I guess its a little hard for people to efficiently translate things without being long-term speakers (most Spanish translations for U.S. warnings and notices out there are almost always wack, it kinda bugs me)...

"Surely you will remember Ness, a character that appeared in previous editions of Smash Bros. Well good (this sounds weird but perhaps it sounds ok in Spain), Lucas is very similar to him. They even come from the same family of PSI users.

However, his style of combat is very different, now that they don't have the same moves (this makes it sound like they were in together at some time, but its probably just a mistake).

Kinda sounds like the French one now. In fact, they sound pretty much exactly the same. Do the same person update the French AND THE SPANISH ONE=??? XD Also, I got lazy on that one, and I obviously know the Mexican Spanish. I completely forget that the Spanish version is based off Spain's Spanish, and not Latin America's Spanish. >_<

 

[garbage]

I wonder if there would be something or someone that would actually support Ness.

Uh...Achem:

Are you kidding??!?

IF YOU THINK NESS WILL BE OUT, READ THIS.
Okay. Sakurai mentions Ness, and.......[majority of quote removed for space]........I am extremely confident that Ness is still in.

Read the first line...in Spanish?.........................[majority of quote removed for space]...............................................
O and if Ness is too old, tell that to Mario, Donkey Kong, Pit, Ice Climbers, and soon Mr. Game and Watch fans, to prove you are a IDIOT!

 

[ThoraxeRMG]

You're 16.......

 

[TheBuzzSaw]

In my opinion, the only translation worth examining is the Japanese. English comes in an extremely close second since we are the biggest market. I highly doubt the English (of all the languages) would be incorrect.

 

[vesperview]

O and if Ness is too old, tell that to Mario, Donkey Kong, Pit, Ice Climbers, and soon Mr. Game and Watch fans, to prove you are a IDIOT!

wow, yours by far is the worst reasoning I have read today to say Ness isn't deconfirmed

 

[Cyrlous]

Ok, I'm a huge Ness fan and today's update is definitely a blow. However, I still am not willing to say with certainty that Ness will not be in the game. The phrase until now does not NECESSARILY imply a change. For instance, I could say "Until now, I've been a huge Ness fan, but now I think he sucks" or I could say "Until now, I've been a huge Ness fan, and now I like him even more than ever".

Now, don't get me wrong I'm not saying Ness is in, simply that I think it's premature to say he has absolutely no chance. I really do wish Sakurai would make it definite one way or the other though.

I posted this a few pages back but I wasn't sure if anyone really saw it. I think it's a bit foolish and premature to assume that the phrase "until now" automatically cnacels Ness since that meaning is in no way inherent to the phrase. Also, I would expect this sort of intentional ambiguity from Sakurai since he likes to mess with peoples' minds a lot.

 

[Johnknight1]

You're 16.......

If Dylan_Tnga says a character should return, they should return! *randomness*

In my opinion, the only translation worth examining is the Japanese. English comes in an extremely close second since we are the biggest market. I highly doubt the English (of all the languages) would be incorrect.

^ I agree. Where's someone who knows Japanese when you need them. >_<

wow, yours by far is the worst reasoning I have read today to say Ness isn't deconfirmed

Umm, look who I was refering to dumb a**. I was refering to someone who said Ness was "too old" of a character to be in smash-and I disproved them, owned them, and showed them for who the real idiot they are. Stop being a n00b, and check who that reference was to smart a**.

 

[Cyrlous]

Oh, and by the way, I am not ever going to completely give up hope of Ness being in until it is ABSOLUTELY confirmed either by Sakurai saying so or by getting the game and him not being in there. I don't care what anyone says, I have been loyal and devoted to Ness since I first received Earthbound for Christmas as a kid and I won't give up on him now. And as for all of you out there saying "Well, it's ok because you'll still have his moveset with Lucas" you're totally missing the point and obviously don't get it. Ness is not just a moveset to me.

 

[Johnknight1]

Oh, and by the way, I am not ever going to completely give up hope of Ness being in until it is ABSOLUTELY confirmed either by Sakurai saying so or by getting the game and him not being in there. I don't care what anyone says, I have been loyal and devoted to Ness since I first received Earthbound for Christmas as a kid and I won't give up on him now. And as for all of you out there saying "Well, it's ok because you'll still have his moveset with Lucas" you're totally missing the point and obviously don't get it. Ness is not just a moveset to me.

QFT. Ness has a personality that is purely original. His moves can change, he can be cloned, but as long as he's there-it's all good. Show some love for our founding fathers of Smash Sakurai. Can't we have both=??? Sakurai, show us Ness and EarthBound fans who have a history of being beat down by Reggie, Nintendo, and whatnot some much needed love.

 

[the grim lizard]

There’s a character named Ness who has appeared in the Smash Bros. series up until now, and Lucas is very similar. They are from the same family of PK users.

But Lucas’s physical combat style is quite different. By which I mean, he does not have the same standard moves.

What does that sound like to you? It reminds me of the beginning of games like Wind Waker where they talk about a past hero. Is that the same hero as the main character of WW? No. They are similar. They have similar destinies and abilities and situations. But they are not the same. Is that other guy in this game? No.

"Up until now" aside, they way he introduces Lucas's moveset makes it quite clear that Ness is a thing of the past. It wouldn't even be worth mentioning if Ness was in as well. Did Ike's moves reference Marth? Did Dedede's update reference Kirby or ICs? Did Zamus's tether update reference Link or even Samus?? No. Just use your brains and think it through.

 

[DekuBoy]

I sent an angry email to Nintendo yesterday demanding to know if Ness was returning or not. If all of us Ness supporters keep sending them they must give in!

 

[vesperview]

I sent an angry email to Nintendo yesterday demanding to know if Ness was returning or not. If all of us Ness supporters keep sending them they must give in!

Give in what? Either not reply to you or just tell you he is not coming back.

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

I sent an angry email to Nintendo yesterday demanding to know if Ness was returning or not. If all of us Ness supporters keep sending them they must give in!

There is no way they are adding a character in this late unless he's a clone. Unless, they delay the game again... ¬¬

He's my favorite character ever. He's the reason I bought SSB. Yet, you don't see me acting like a baby.

 

[shinhed-echi]

At this point I really don't care... sheesh.. the character model is almost exactly the same... I won't miss Ness if Lucas looks just like him and ATTACKS like him. :/

Sure, I haven't played Mother 3, but I have played Mother 2. And Ness did NOT have any of those attacks, besides PK Magnet.

It would bother me to see him there again with borrowed moves, while I see Little Mac as an Assist Trophy > (when Sakurai could've just as easily borrowed the moves from his opponents).

I'm a Ness user since N64, but I am FAR from caring that he changed his name, loosed the cap and bleached his hair.

 

[vesperview]

I'm a Ness user since N64, but I am FAR from caring that he changed his name, loosed the cap and bleached his hair.

Play Mother 3 and then come here and call Lucas a Ness with bleached hair and no cap.

 

[shinhed-echi]

^^^^^^^

I will, but who cares, he's in, isn't he?

And no matter how many times I play the game over and over again, it will not change the fact that Ness LOOKS a lot like Lucas. I wasn't being literal, it's OBVIOUS Lucas is another person.

 

[AuraLancer]

Accept that Ness is gone, get your grieving done, then either you'll be able to take it when he's not on the roster or you will be pleasantly surprised when he is. That's the way to do it.

Ugh. I'm still in shock.

 

[Voyager]

I'm a Ness user since N64, but I am FAR from caring that he changed his name, loosed the cap and bleached his hair.

Kind of like how Link was Mario before he had a growth spurt, a shave, bleached his hair, and changed his outfit.

LOGIK!

 

[shinhed-echi]

^^^^

Umm.... right....

e , e

 

[Voyager]

"Up until now" aside, they way he introduces Lucas's moveset makes it quite clear that Ness is a thing of the past. It wouldn't even be worth mentioning if Ness was in as well. Did Ike's moves reference Marth? Did Dedede's update reference Kirby or ICs? Did Zamus's tether update reference Link or even Samus?? No. Just use your brains and think it through.

I am confused by the fact that your argument makes no sense.


Right now I think the strongest thing Ness has going for him is that Lucas has a completely different non special move set. Sakurai went out of his way to mention this, and even describe certain moves. This is hinting at Lucas being a Luigified Ness.
(Im not saying LOL NESS IS IN IDIOTS, things dont look good for Ness. But I do think the the standard moves are a good sign)

 

[SenorPresidente]

Spanish
un personaje que apareció en anteriores ediciones de Smash Bros.

Translation
One character who appeared in anterior versions of smash bros.


This is what i hate. No matter in what language they are still fussy about the whole thing. Why couldn't they just straight out just said it in a more accurate way.

 

[Voyager]

This is what i hate. No matter in what language they are still fussy about the whole thing. Why couldn't they just straight out just said it in a more accurate way.

Sakurai likes mind games

 

[vesperview]

Even if Ness returns (Which he won't), I'll still main Lucas, I won't play a Ness with a new moveset.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Even if Ness returns (Which he won't), I'll still main Lucas, I won't play a Ness with a new moveset.

Good for you, I'll stick with Sonic.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Play Mother 3 and then come here and call Lucas a Ness with bleached hair and no cap.

Lucas is a Ness with bleached hair and no cap.

 

[vesperview]

Lucas is a Ness with bleached hair and no cap.

Aside from abilities and looks I don't know how Lucas is a Ness with bleached hair and no cap so STFU!

 

[ness4life]

why does everyone assume that ness is out??

until the game comes out, I'm not giving up hope.

I'm not disagreeing that you guys have a lot of evidence, and that Sakurai seems to be very cryptic, but I just don't think that Ness will get the boot.

As my name suggests, I'm with Ness for Life.

 

[SenorPresidente]

LOL but Lucas is Ness with bleached hair and no cap. I mean besides the story which it doesn't really matter in brawl they are pretty much the same.

 

[vesperview]

LOL but Lucas is Ness with bleached hair and no cap. I mean besides the story which it doesn't really matter in brawl they are pretty much the same.

I wasn't talking about abilities or looks, I was talking about story unlike most people.

 

[maxieman]

I wasn't talking about abilities or looks, I was talking about story unlike most people.

its too bad this is BRAWL character discussion and not MOTHER character discussion

story wont excuse a clone

 

[vesperview]

its too bad this is BRAWL character discussion and not MOTHER character discussion

story wont excuse a clone

If you have taken the time to read a few pages back you would see I already came to terms with Ness's deconfirmation, so please, don't talk about things you have absolutely no idea about.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

its too bad this is BRAWL character discussion and not MOTHER character discussion

story wont excuse a clone

The only thing a story will do is give a description for Ness when he becomes a trophy.

 

[HollabackRyu]

Ness is 100% confirmed by that update, he is such a Brawl shoe-in.

 

[HollabackRyu]

Ness is 100% confirmed by that update, he is such a Brawl shoe-in