NC Brocator Thread: IMPORTANT UPDATES!!

[-ACE-]

you really think ganon wouldn't of been camped on any other stage? lol thats what peach does in that matchup

Maybe you should have a word with Dr. Cox....

what, kongo jungle makes it easier for peach to camp? oh no, she has a good cp! how terrible.

The matchup is even lol... why give her a stage that is incredibly easy to camp on in comparison to the neutrals?

 

[stingers]

ace i'm interested in hearing your opinion on what peach does against ganon, since I'm sitting here knowing that you have absolutely no peach experience except MAYBE a few friendlies against boss nasty at one point or another, while I was a peach main who played against jim's ganon for years, AND top level peach vs. ganon play (rockcrock vs. pink shinobi) supports my argument.

 

[Foxy]

I wish there wasn't counterpicking... I really enjoy some of the CP stages, but honestly, to me it seems

either you use a really good counterpick as a crutch to have a much higher chance of winning a game in a set

or

you don't really have any good counterpicks or don't play well on/like any of them, and you just kinda mehhhh at the whole counterpicking and just pick neutrals.

both of those situations are unnecessary

 

[BEHR]

I pick a stage thats the funnest.

Its usually Floats.

 

[Dr Peepee]

I wish there wasn't counterpicking... I really enjoy some of the CP stages, but honestly, to me it seems

either you use a really good counterpick as a crutch to have a much higher chance of winning a game in a set

or

you don't really have any good counterpicks or don't play well on/like any of them, and you just kinda mehhhh at the whole counterpicking and just pick neutrals.

both of those situations are unnecessary

Good shiz. I've been reading long-winded versions of this lately, and it makes sense.

That's good BEHR.

 

[-ACE-]

ace i'm interested in hearing your opinion on what peach does against ganon, since I'm sitting here knowing that you have absolutely no peach experience except MAYBE a few friendlies against boss nasty at one point or another, while I was a peach main who played against jim's ganon for years, AND top level peach vs. ganon play (rockcrock vs. pink shinobi) supports my argument.

Wow, angry are we? I've played tons of friendlies with Richard after tournies and smashfests, and Mohr used to main Peach.

Ganon basically has to fully space all his aerials to win a priority battle with Peach. Turnip to fair is a great approach and not easy for Ganon to get around. Float canceled aerials to dsmash combos on Ganon are pretty much ****, and dsmash is actually a very good edgeguard (I'm serious. If you time it so that you hit Ganon with the first available frame of hitbox it will hit Ganon twice, knocking Ganon out of any welltech option, leaving him with only regular tech to up-b, which doesn't always guarantee safety). I'm not a Peach player so I can't tell you everything here, but I can tell you this: Jim is just plain better than you at Melee, no offense. And that might have something to do with your opinion on this subject.

 

[Foxy]

Again, Ace with the wisdom that comes with years.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Ace we should discuss this in person sometime. I don't feel like it here right now. I'm being weird.

 

[-ACE-]

We can if you want, but It's not like I really hate that stage. Whatever happens, happens.

 

[Dr Peepee]

I know, but I think we'd be able to go more in-depth in person(maybe).

 

[Lightsyde]

No more counter pick stages?

Maybe there is a God.

But I seriously doubt it.

Not until FoD is banned. ;]

 

[DJRome]

lol fod all day for sheiks

 

[-ACE-]

FoD is like Falco **** land lol

 

[Foxy]

i hate fod, even just the visual of the stage makes it hard to see/play on.

 

[Lightsyde]

I've been playing on it with Plur a lot more lately (it's turned off on my cube) and I've gotten a lot better at it but yeah, it's Falcon's worst stage and Sheik's best stage.

Everybody knows I just LOVE Sheik vs. Falcon.

 

[Dr Peepee]

I play about average on it, but I've seen Shiz on that stage so no comment lol.

 

[stingers]

I actually never camp Jim Peach vs. Ganon. Or hell, I never really camp him period. Ever. Not with Sheik or Falco or Fox...or Peach. Don't use that as an argument. If we ever play in tournament, I'll probably camp him. And I'll probably win, Jim will probably admit that. Mainly because I ***** out the top tiers while Jim is limited with his completely average character. Jim will tell you I was better than him when I took this game seriously. It was close, it was very close actually, but I always held a slight edge over Jim in Melee. Saying that, my opinion is completely founded based on the years of experience I have with Peach vs. Ganon, and has nothing to do with who is better than who. lol @.@

You listed a bunch of random facts about the matchup that are true, but I don't know why or how any of that says that Peach wins by being aggressive against Ganondorf. Peach's float cancelled Bair to Dsmash combos at low percents against Ganon the same as it does anyone else, hey, cool. That doesn't mean that Ganon's retreating Fair doesn't safely beat absolutely every non-turnip option Peach has while approaching, something I've learned through experience. If Peach approaches, she approaches with a turnip in hand, mainly because she's willing to take the risk that the Ganondorf won't just punch right through it with Fair or WD back or get on a platform and then waveland *aerial* or even ****ing Wizkick through it because the reward is high, like you mentioned. At top level play, Ganondorf won't fall for Turnip -> Fair unless he likes to sit in his shield in which case that fault in his playstyle will get him ***** by a good Peach, like it will for any other character (protip: Shielding against Peach is bad unless the Peach sucks, like playing a Ness or Kirby in 64).

Anyway,

i'm young and wrong and you're old and smart
disregard everything i just said

 

[Dr Peepee]

You should expand on that for the stage argument. I'd like to see more thoughts.

 

[GofG]

why does it seem like we've been having an exceptionally high amount of drama recently? dorsey vs omni, bill vs omni, ace vs stingers, sc vs ncsu, smith being a ***** to omni, bill vs mike g...



can't we just play smash without talking about who has more years of experience and who is bull****ting their knowledge of what?

 

[stingers]

arguing about smash is fun tbh

 

[Dr Peepee]

I guess I'll quit arguing with you guys unless it's necessary. You all get too personal. I did enjoy the mental exercise though.

Sorry NC smash.

 

[-ACE-]

I actually never camp Jim Peach vs. Ganon. Or hell, I never really camp him period. Ever. Not with Sheik or Falco or Fox...or Peach. Don't use that as an argument. If we ever play in tournament, I'll probably camp him. And I'll probably win, Jim will probably admit that. Mainly because I ***** out the top tiers while Jim is limited with his completely average character. Jim will tell you I was better than him when I took this game seriously. It was close, it was very close actually, but I always held a slight edge over Jim in Melee. Saying that, my opinion is completely founded based on the years of experience I have with Peach vs. Ganon, and has nothing to do with who is better than who. lol @.@

You listed a bunch of random facts about the matchup that are true, but I don't know why or how any of that says that Peach wins by being aggressive against Ganondorf. Peach's float cancelled Bair to Dsmash combos at low percents against Ganon the same as it does anyone else, hey, cool. That doesn't mean that Ganon's retreating Fair doesn't safely beat absolutely every non-turnip option Peach has while approaching, something I've learned through experience. If Peach approaches, she approaches with a turnip in hand, mainly because she's willing to take the risk that the Ganondorf won't just punch right through it with Fair or WD back or get on a platform and then waveland *aerial* or even ****ing Wizkick through it because the reward is high, like you mentioned. At top level play, Ganondorf won't fall for Turnip -> Fair unless he likes to sit in his shield in which case that fault in his playstyle will get him ***** by a good Peach, like it will for any other character (protip: Shielding against Peach is bad unless the Peach sucks, like playing a Ness or Kirby in 64).

Anyway,

i'm young and wrong and you're old and smart
disregard everything i just said

But I never said that Peach wins by being aggressive against Ganon. Are you seriously getting ***** by retreating fair? LOL. This matchup is almost completely based around spacing (and making every grab count, for Ganon). Aggression gets you killed rather quickly on either side. And OF COURSE sitting in your shield is not good lol. That last part was really, really cool of you bro.

 

[theAPExp]

now i know nobody supports this
but
why are we helping marth...

 

[-ACE-]

You all get too personal.

So about you telling me that I have no morals....

 

[stingers]

well, you said peach doesn't win by camping. if you're not camping, you're playing aggressive. camping = playing defensive tbh

i get ***** by retreating fair when I try to approach with a turnip (because it doesn't work)...lol. unless i hit jims shield with it :D which is always fun :D

ganon has safe approaches, so ganon wins by spacing. peach doesn't, due to her limited range (unless ganon sits in shield), so peach wins by trying to mess with ganon's spacing and camping with turnips. ftw

So about you telling me that I have no morals....

lol quit life kevin

 

[onlymaskde]

blanket ova mah aaaeehhhh.

 

[-ACE-]

Stong I only said that that ONE STAGE made it easier for Peach to camp in comparison to the other neutrals, and you went on to claim I had no peach experience and you're the peach vs ganon master etc. lol, thats what started it. No biggie dude.

 

[l0zR=)]

My ganon beat boss nastys peach in a set like 2 or 3 months ago. Holla

 

[stingers]

me: you really think ganon wouldn't of been camped on any other stage? lol thats what peach does in that matchup
you: Maybe you should have a word with Dr. Cox....

lol ace.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Lol Adam what a beast.

 

[l0zR=)]

LOL i think its just a mental block. Richard thinks im better than him at everything for some reason and just cant seem to win. Although my ganon is sick now lol

 

[-ACE-]

me: you really think ganon wouldn't of been camped on any other stage? lol thats what peach does in that matchup
you: Maybe you should have a word with Dr. Cox....

lol ace.

He wouldn't have been camped NEARLY as badly. Thats why I said that lol.

LOZR we gotta ditto!

 

[stingers]

lozr is the best ganon in the state...no lie

well i don't know how telling me i was wrong about peach needing to camp in the matchup means that she just won't camp as hard on other stages, but i'll just take your word for it

 

[l0zR=)]

Stingers thx bro. Also ace this weekend we will ditto for sure. WE NEED TO RECORD!!

 

[-ACE-]

Hell yeah boy

I want some Fox and Falcon for dessert

 

[Lightsyde]

Jeremy is the best Ganon in the state, just for the record.

COME ON BABY GIRL

 

[Sliq]

um

Mang0's performance
Pound 3


Winners' bracket
Lost to Silent Wolf

Losers' bracket
Defeated Mathos
Defeated Sliq
Defeated Cactaur
Defeated Forward
Defeated Azen
Defeated Chu
Defeated Cort
Defeated PC Chris
Defeated M2k
Defeated M2k


Overall placing: 1/32

It's worth noting that Mango did Link and DK dittos against Silent Wolf, which I'm still a little miffed about, considering I lost to Mango and M2K, who placed first and second, when in reality I had no business playing Mango as he shouldn't have ****ed around against Silent Wolf.

That doesn't mean I would've beaten Silent Wolf, but I'd rather have fought him than Mango, especially due to the circumstances he was sent to the loser's bracket.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Yeah I don't blame you there man.

 

[stingers]

lol sliq that was a sliq post...what a sliq individual

 

[MunkeyX2g]

this brocator sucks. It doesnt have me on it

Rutheford NC
Munkey... Aim: MunkeyX2g