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Implying the Miis are not "real" characters?
I concur with this as well, actually.
The game was balanced around FD only according to Sakurai, and it shows. Shiek and Diddy get a boost when they're already on top, Little Mac goes from lower-midish to trash, and as a more personal example, Pit vs Dark Pit is further biased to Pit. I'm sure there's more examples.
That's because Sakurai doesn't like the whole "pyramid scheme" that rankings bring. And there is a matchmaking system. Haven't fought a noob in weeks.
In that they're made and not set by default, yes. Again, I have nothing against them. But they're not even counted towards the in-game challenges. (Like "Clear all-star as every character," Miis are ignored.) They're considered to be less then a full character.
Anecdotes isn't evidence to there being a matchmaking system. The problem is that you have no idea about the skill of the person you're fighting.
That's just blind luck, or confirmation bias. There's no matchmaking.
Considering Sakurai said there was a matchmaking system in the first SSB direct, I seriously doubt this is confirmation bias.
I'm pretty sure he's saying there's a matchmaking system as in a system that makes matches, as opposed to hosting/joining. There's no skill level comparisons, advancement, or any criteria for placing two people into a match other than "they logged on at roughly the same time".
Considering he had just brought up the whole "weak player vs strong player is frustrating" thing, yeah, I'm pretty sure.
2000+ over both versions, 70-80% win rate. I still get matched up against people that will stand there and eat a warlock punch without attempting to dodge or shield, with no visible lag. I still get matched up against people that'll 0-death me twice for dozens of games. You've presented a Null Hypothesis. It's impossible to prove, but it is possible to disprove it. I've had larger than negligible swing of bad matches, therefore, there isn't a matchmaking system based on skill.
When do you play, and for how long? Is this all 1v1s? Do you ever play the other online modes? How often do you play with friends? Where do you live, roughly? More importantly, have you been playing recently?
Nearly every day, for about one to two hours, 95% 1v1s, occasionally foray into doubles, offline with friends weekly, southwest U.S., and yes.
What time of day do you start? But from what I remember, I had the most success in finding good players 10pm to 1am on Friday through Sunday. That's basically only when I play now, actually.
Around 8PM MST
Yeah, I'm in EST. Less and less kids play as the night goes on, naturally.
I just realized you're talking about For Glory.
For starters, I'd love to see a citation that the game was "balanced around FD only". That seems like a fairly ridiculous claim. But perhaps more to the point, FD is actually Shiek's best stage in several matchups, and can hardly be said to be bad for Diddy. It's certainly not bad for either of them. No, you know what sucks for them? Diddy hates Castle Siege. Shiek doesn't hate any stage, but gets a lot less from, say, Wuhu Island than she does from FD. Little Mac gets worse, but not unplayably so when more stages are added. His design is just overall bad.
YO what happened to Dragon Rush? D:
Sakurai says Custom moves are like cheating. AKA not balanced for. Miis themselves are custom characters and lack true default moves, and aren't counted for in-game challenges. Heck, how's about that Villager thing that invalidates the bottom half of the cast? You call that balanced? Or customs in FFAs, how is it a good thing that characters with bad recoveries get good ones, invalidating their weakness?
Turning on customizations enables not only custom moves, but also equipment, which is obviously imbalanced, and significantly rewards people for grinding for better equipment. Getting better customs can give people an advantage, but still no more than if they just picked Diddy.
Being fair, it was the go to move for zard til they nerfed the damage.
Not only did he mention custom moves in specific, the grinding argument also applys to them. Or did you forget one of the biggest reasons they weren't used in a whole bunch of tournaments?
This is possibly the most common Sakurai misquote. Sakurai meant that they were unbalanced in the sense that more experienced players who had more of them would have an unfair advantage. This myth needs constant debunking, and is incredibly obnoxious.
And if they weren't balanced for, why did the game's only balance patch include changes to custom moves? Dragon Rush got dropped from 15% damage to 11% damage, for example.Thinkaman said:
Miis may be "custom characters" but have a clearly-defined moveset and are playable in most game modes. Villager's planking has not been widely explored; to the point it has been, it shows itself as obnoxious to counter, not unbeatable. Customs in FFAs? How does that have any relevance? Characters with bad recoveries getting good ones... Um... For example? Almost every single example, there's a clear tradeoff (hell, most Little Mac players prefer the default moves, rather than the upB that grants him a better recovery, and numerous characters give up a good recovery for a worse one, such as DK and Wii Fit Trainer). Everything you're saying makes no sense.
And yet overall balance and playability is still somehow better with Customs, Miis, and numerous stages. How did that happen? Either Sakurai is so awful at balancing his game that we shouldn't pay any attention to what he has to say, or your stipulation is simply wrong.
That's some pretty weak excuses. They do stock in 1v1, and while team attack off does keep trolls of one nature out, it lets trolls of another nature in (and anyone determined to screw you over can take all but one of your team's stocks by just SDing twice, stealing a stock, and SDing again). Additionally, I don't know if you've spent a decent amount of time playing teams with TA off, but it's stupid as all hell. Even just something as simple as two projectile spammers backing each other up is incredibly difficult to stop due to how they cover each other. It's badly balanced to the point that it completely destroys the idea that the game was balanced around For Glory.
The fact that they addressed that alone is actually another nail in the coffin. Not only did they nerf a 2v2 strategy (meaning that they care about teams balance) but they nerfed one that does not work with team attack off!
Have you seen decent Little Mac players lately? The idea that Little Mac "only works on FD" is simply wrong. He's not a good character by any stretch of the imagination, mind you, but he isn't a good character even if FD is the only legal stage. He's got a lot of stupidly hard matchups (Kirby, Jigglypuff, Metaknight, Pikachu, Shiek, Megaman, should I keep going?), all of which get better if FD is the only legal stage, but they all simply go from "you need a secondary" to "you're gonna wish you had a secondary". Some of them, like Captain Falcon, actually get worse on FD.
...This statement is hilarious. Low tier characters always have significant problems. Remember Melee Kirby? Brawl Ganondorf? They worked 0% of the time. Because they were terrible. Mac has awful aerials, a terrible grab, terrible throws, and no recovery. The character's design is fundamentally flawed, and no amount of coddling the stagelist to get around this solves this.
Actually, the above poster was referring to how players can grind for better equipment, not that the equipment itself is imbalanced (which is another matter entirely).
What will guarantee that every other custom move will be balanced? The main moveset that every character has is much more likely to be balanced, obviously.
That's not quite what he said. He said he thinks that it is interesting how people can do something like cheating with customization (not custom moves specifically). Earlier, on the topic of balance, he did mention custom moves as an example of why he's not going to focus too much on balance, saying "there would be no end to it." Later, in the same sentence, he said that if there was an obvious problem, he would fix it (probably in reference to everything, but it was part of the same sentence as the custom moves statement). Furthermore, I doubt you can translate a few simple interview statements into explaining the exact balancing process that what into the game.
I get paired up against noobs all the time. I wish Smash had good matchmaking!
That's not how I remember it. He specifically mentioned how they could be used to cheat out a little extra from a character.
The mechanics of equipment haven't been fully explored, but there are clear limits of what can and can't happen. They're a good deal more consistent then you'd think, and to say somebody could win an equipment tournament on grinding alone is ridiculous.
I've answered most of these questions already, multiple times. I'm not repeating myself for somebody only sticking around for one post.
Play more, play at consistent times, yadda yadda. I've been over this. Even Mario Kart's VR system can be inconsistent with so many people playing, so it's clearly not the lack of a ranking system doing this.
I...I literally never said that. Where did you get that notion?
There is no guarantee. There's never a guarantee. However, for the vast majority of customs we've explored so far, the balance has been on the conservative side. Out of all of the custom sets in the OSCMP, around 60% of all slots were filled with defaults. Not the 1/3rd you might expect if customs were on par with defaults, not considerably less (as you'd expect if customs were clearly not well-balanced), but most of them. Sure, there are a few breakout moves. But nothing game-breaking. The idea that the main moveset is more likely to be balanced is simply not true.
Yes, and I'm still waiting on a citation. You made this claim several times, I asked you for a citation, and you have not provided it. If I say something and I cannot back it up, you know what I do? I don't say "I'm sure it's out there somewhere", I retract my claim.
I'm out. All that's left is one question - are you doing this on purpose? Look, my point (which, by now, I'd think would be impossible to miss, given that I've spelled it out quite explicitly) is that they actually took the balance of custom moves into consideration when they applied balance patches. This means that your claim about the game being balanced around For Glory is wrong. No ifs, no ands, no buts, you're just wrong. Your opinion is completely unjustifiable, and I am done wasting my time explaining this to you.
Fox's shine in Melee had a potent semispike angle that leads to many characters just flat-out dying at zero %. What's your point?
Just because something like that was present in one game, something that is as powerful is okay in another? Why would Fox's Reflector justify Heavy Skull Bash's power in comparison to other moves?
