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Music: The Culture and Attitudes

El Nino

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Ryu, Spelt: Let's just agree that the other guy is wrong and move on.

Did you read the OP? He basically stated all he did was make fun of him for his ignorance, he didn't try to explain anything. And he wasn't a friend, only someone he kind of knew from high school.
Yes. What I got from it was that he basically said "A > B" to someone who likes B. Not exactly much of an insult, in my eyes, but it depends on how you say it. Ryu probably tatooed it onto the poor kid's forehead and then *****-slapped him so hard his hipster glasses fell off. Because Ryu's a thug.

Also, blogging is for talking about what you want to. I felt like venting about my various feelings regarding music, and I'd like to think the time I put into writing the blog was to accomplish more than just a "rehash" of another one.
Yeah, we get a lot of blogs responding to other blogs around here, and that shouldn't be a problem usually.

My favorite band is Rise Against
What do you think of their new album?
 

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Yes. What I got from it was that he basically said "A > B" to someone who likes B. Not exactly much of an insult, in my eyes, but it depends on how you say it. Ryu probably tatooed it onto the poor kid's forehead and then *****-slapped him so hard his hipster glasses fell off. Because Ryu's a thug.
The only redeeming quality about this is that you were trying to be sarcastic. So there's that, I guess.





Rise against's new album is okay.
Appeal to reason was better.
 

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The only redeeming quality about this is that you were trying to be sarcastic.
Well, generally one either is or is not sarcastic. But "trying to appear sarcastic" can be hit or miss.

The Sufferer and the Witness was my favorite. And then Siren Song of the Counterculture and the Unraveling. I have too many mixed feelings on Appeal to Reason and Endgame for them to be on top. Should probably get around to getting their first album.

I actually would put Endgame above Appeal though, if only because while both use their new sound, Endgame is more consistent, and it has moments of power that were lacking in Appeal. But still, Endgame is best for me if I skip the first three tracks and track eleven.

Yeah, yeah, I know nothing about music. Just saying.
 

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Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, and Ke$ha
You're the only other person on this site besides myself to say they like these artists.

My hat is off to you, brave one. I know a lot of people here love to eat pop/dance musical artists alive for various generic reasons, but when it comes down to it I think this post I made a week ago on facebook regaurding how people think they're bad *** and better than everyone else for listening to some form of a "Hardcore" genre.

This is slighty out of context, fyi.

"Well it just bugs me that people forget that music is supposed to do two things, entertain, and bring up some sort of emotion. Meaning is a subjective and differs from person to person. So you shouldn't judge on something that differs from person to person. It just bugs me when people can't get over the fact that music is just there for entertainment. That's it. And what entertains me, and what entertains you is different. It doesn't make mine better, it just means they aren't the same!"

Some people like to dwell in music, and others like to dance through it, it's all just for entertainment in the end however.

I just find this idea that you are a cooler/better person because you deem your music better than someone elses is a load of ****.
 

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I love kesha and katy perry.

Lady gaga, however, is a conceited ***** who doesn't deserve her fame.

That said, her music is alright.
 

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I love kesha and katy perry.

Lady gaga, however, is a conceited ***** who doesn't deserve her fame.

That said, her music is alright.
Hmm. Interesting.
 

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In what way is this a rehash of the last blog? At all? The other one was him sharing a personal story about how he was annoyed at people judging artists without knowing anything beyond their mainstream stuff. This is me sharing my personal experiences with music and how I hate hipsters, but at the same time, mainstream music bothers me at times, too.

I'm confused as to where the overlap is there. The only overlap is occurring because people are taking arguments from the other blog and moving them in here.

I tried to tell them not to do that, but I guess they missed that part.

Also, blogging is for talking about what you want to. I felt like venting about my various feelings regarding music, and I'd like to think the time I put into writing the blog was to accomplish more than just a "rehash" of another one.
Yeah well something somewhat similar happened with the Shadow of the Colossus Blog and we all know what happened there don't we? ;)

Even though the content as a whole is not a rehash, due to: the title, the blog being posted very close in time to the prior one and the ideas portrayed in it being similar to the ideas that were being fleshed out in the prior blog, it did have a mild to moderate overlap.

You assume that I have a problem with this when I in fact do not. Or at least I am getting that from your tone in the way in which you responded. I'm not a consistent contributing member so what I say doesn't really have a say in these sorts of things. But on the other hand if three or more blogs come out or people keep making sarcastic "help me because I have no talent and can't win on my own win blah blah contest for the simple satisfaction of being a smart *** then yes, that will be irritating as hell.

On the other hand blogs have always been hot and cold in terms of intelligence since I've been here so my point is that I have no point.
 

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Ryu, Spelt: Let's just agree that the other guy is wrong and move on.
S'all cool, no hard feelings Spelt. My apologies for calling you an arrogant man.

Yes. What I got from it was that he basically said "A > B" to someone who likes B. Not exactly much of an insult, in my eyes, but it depends on how you say it. Ryu probably tatooed it onto the poor kid's forehead and then *****-slapped him so hard his hipster glasses fell off. Because Ryu's a thug.
That was just to joke around with guy A, as we always do sarcastic humor between us. But Guy B came in and took it wrong. He even messaged me yesterday to tell me that I had poor tastes in music :c.
And ****ride Eminem, telling me how he is more intelligent than any rappers out there. Generalizing rappers as ******** womanizers and drug users..

Can't be as thuggish as you old man. You pull the race card at bosses and break their **** before quitting, which is freakin' boss.

On the matter of Katy Perry, Ke$ha and Gaga.

Lady gaga, however, is a conceited ***** who doesn't deserve her fame.
My thoughts on Gaga. Her music isn't bad but she is a conceited *****. I like Katy Perry although I do not listen to her, I enjoy hearing her songs every now and then. She's got a nice voice and usually got a good sense of rhythm. I remember singing Hot & Cold in my history class to annoy my teacher, she was very sensitive. As for Ke$ha, I cannot stand her. I just don't like her drunky way of singing I think that it's her voice that I dislike, it feels terrible to me.
 

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And ****ride Eminem, telling me how he is more intelligent than any rappers out there.
I've noticed that many people I've encountered who claim to think Eminem is amazing don't ever really listen to rap. They say things like "I like Eminem because he's not all ghetto and doesn't rap about cars and hoes, he raps about life" which doesn't even make any sense because Eminem does rap about cars and hoes. People act as if there's two types of rappers in the world...Eminem and everyone else.

Unfortunately, all I hear when somebody says something like that is "I like Eminem because he's white and because all black rappers sound the same". I have no problem with people liking Eminem, but when somebody who has hardly listened to any rap starts talking about him like he revolutionized the genre and how his content is unique and original when compared to all other rap, I tend to get annoyed.

When that happens, I usually try to change the subject.
 

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Wow frotaz that's like exactly how I feel about Eminem haha. Also some people seem to think that he's the only non-black rapper out there for some reason.
 

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Lady gaga, however, is a conceited ***** who doesn't deserve her fame.
What are you basing this off of? I've watched several of her MTV Behind the Music specials and her interview on.....****, what's the one that comes on before Jeopardy? NBC World News? Yeah, I think that's it (?).
Anyways, she definitely worked for her fame and has genuine talent. Accepted to NYU for the CAP21 project is no small feat and practically proves she has some semblance of musical aptitude.
Sure, her music is sometimes unnecessarily aimed at religious and sexual symbols, but hey, she's got a following and a fanbase and truly loves her fans.

Also her concert probably ruins all other concert experiences I am yet to have in my life. It was amazing.
 

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She wouldn't be anywhere near her level of fame right now if it weren't for her idiotic publicity stunts, most of which she doesn't even create herself, but she has no problem taking full credit for all of them. A lot of people wouldn't be listening to her music if she didn't parade around in meat and call it a political statement because she likes to act as if she's on a higher ground than everyone else around her.

Plus that sale that amazon had that made her become one of the few artists that sold a million records in week. She wouldn't have gotten that if it weren't for the $1 sale, and she definitely did not earn that honor.

And what really grinds my gears is that she has the gall to call herself the "best singer/songwriter in the business" when half of her songs are complete knock-offs of other, more successful artists. While she can't even take the time of day to learn how to correctly pronounce her own lyrics.
She's a joke.
 

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You're the only other person on this site besides myself to say they like these artists.

My hat is off to you, brave one. I know a lot of people here love to eat pop/dance musical artists alive for various generic reasons, but when it comes down to it I think this post I made a week ago on facebook regaurding how people think they're bad *** and better than everyone else for listening to some form of a "Hardcore" genre.

This is slighty out of context, fyi.

"Well it just bugs me that people forget that music is supposed to do two things, entertain, and bring up some sort of emotion. Meaning is a subjective and differs from person to person. So you shouldn't judge on something that differs from person to person. It just bugs me when people can't get over the fact that music is just there for entertainment. That's it. And what entertains me, and what entertains you is different. It doesn't make mine better, it just means they aren't the same!"

Some people like to dwell in music, and others like to dance through it, it's all just for entertainment in the end however.

I just find this idea that you are a cooler/better person because you deem your music better than someone elses is a load of ****.
I appreciate that. Yeah, a lot of people would never admit they like artists like that, and I used to be in that crowd myself, but over time I've slowly shed any sense of shame in things like the kind of music I like, because no matter how much shame is imposed upon you it's absolutely stupid that you should feel shame in listening to anything that you enjoy.

Also, I completely and totally agree with that post you put on Facebook. Like, that almost sounds like something I would've written myself. Glad to see someone who feels the same way.

Yeah well something somewhat similar happened with the Shadow of the Colossus Blog and we all know what happened there don't we? ;)

Even though the content as a whole is not a rehash, due to: the title, the blog being posted very close in time to the prior one and the ideas portrayed in it being similar to the ideas that were being fleshed out in the prior blog, it did have a mild to moderate overlap.

You assume that I have a problem with this when I in fact do not. Or at least I am getting that from your tone in the way in which you responded. I'm not a consistent contributing member so what I say doesn't really have a say in these sorts of things. But on the other hand if three or more blogs come out or people keep making sarcastic "help me because I have no talent and can't win on my own win blah blah contest for the simple satisfaction of being a smart *** then yes, that will be irritating as hell.

On the other hand blogs have always been hot and cold in terms of intelligence since I've been here so my point is that I have no point.
Yeah, I see what you mean with repeated blogs, I've always found blog fads to be pretty annoying; and yes, I did get the impression that you had a problem with it, my apologies.

Just the fact that I put a decent amount of thought and effort into writing this blog made me inclined to find "rehash" as somewhat of an annoying way to describe it.

And what really grinds my gears is that she has the gall to call herself the "best singer/songwriter in the business"
Wait. She seriously said this?

Ugh. I like her music, but that's just bull****.

Like, honestly, she has a good voice and she has some talent, listening to her pre-Gaga stuff she's really amazing at doing vocals/piano, but...I feel like as time goes on she's gone further away from being genuine and is just trying way too hard to be different now. I liked half of her new album, the other half was just kind of...strange. To call yourself the "best" of anything is generally a bad idea, but in this case, in addition to that, it's just absolute bull****.

That said, though, still doesn't affect how I feel about the music of hers I do like. If it does something for me, I'm not going to refrain from listening to it.
 

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So how do you feel about people who say anything past the year 2000 is a piece of **** like me? :awesome:

No seriously, how do you feel about people who hate on anything past 2000?
 

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She wouldn't be anywhere near her level of fame right now if it weren't for her idiotic publicity stunts, most of which she doesn't even create herself, but she has no problem taking full credit for all of them. A lot of people wouldn't be listening to her music if she didn't parade around in meat and call it a political statement because she likes to act as if she's on a higher ground than everyone else around her.
Last time I checked, her "meat parading" occurred after her first single went quintuple platinum, after her single topped the charts in 6 different countries, after being nominated and winning a number of Grammys for her work. Surely you can't suggest that "her stunts make people listen to her music", especially after she starting pulling the stunt AFTER lots of people recognized her talent.

Don't get me wrong, please, I know EXACTLY where you're coming from. I LIKE Lady Gaga, I like her songs, her voice, and I'd probably like her as a person, and even I find her costumes/personas/choice of attire to be wacky and sometimes completely unneccesary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2O1ZxnmOX4

This is the Lady Gaga I love. Not the costumes or the stunts or the baggage, but the raw talent that lies way beneath everything else.

Plus that sale that amazon had that made her become one of the few artists that sold a million records in week. She wouldn't have gotten that if it weren't for the $1 sale, and she definitely did not earn that honor.
Sure, that's a valid point, but you don't blame Lady Gaga as an artist for this one. Interscope Records affiliated with the retailer Amazon to initiate this deal. Their are razor thin profit margins for the music industry these days. Artists and their affiliated companies do things like this to ensure that they make a profit. The term "fair" in this case is relative, but it happened.

And what really grinds my gears is that she has the gall to call herself the "best singer/songwriter in the business".
She's a joke.
“Speaking purely from a musical standpoint, I think I am a great performer. I am a talented entertainer,” the singer tells the March issue of Vogue magazine. “I consider myself to have one of the greatest voices in the industry. I consider myself to be one of the greatest songwriters. I wouldn’t say that I am one of the greatest dancers, but I am really quite good at what I do.”
“It’s so funny when people say, ‘It’s amazing to see how hard you work.’ We’re supposed to work hard!” she says. “I have the world at my fingertips. I am not going to saunter around the stage doing pelvic thrusts and lip-synching. That’s not at all why I am in this.”
“Nothing has changed since I have become a star,” she says. “I am a real family girl. When it comes to love and loyalty, I am very old-fashioned. And I am quite down-to-earth for such an eccentric person.” {Source}
Agreed, definitely not a smart statement to make.

Honestly my love for Gaga has fallen off lately. But, I will defend that she has talent, and Firus definitely knows this too. But the costumes, excess ****, it's gotta stop sometime. Sometimes I think she dug herself too deep, but then again...who knows. *shrug*

She does have talent, though. Her concert was pure talent, there was no lip-syncing...she really CAN sing.

So how do you feel about people who say anything past the year 2000 is a piece of **** like me? :awesome:

No seriously, how do you feel about people who hate on anything past 2000?
Just as idiotic as the other guy who said "all mainstream sucks" in the other blog.
Just makes you sound close-minded and irrelevant.
 

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So how do you feel about people who say anything past the year 2000 is a piece of **** like me? :awesome:

No seriously, how do you feel about people who hate on anything past 2000?
You know, I considered adding a segment on this and decided to leave it out, but given the request I may write it up as a response to you and add it in after all.

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People who have the attitude that "all music nowadays sucks" or "music past *insert date here* is all terrible" piss me off a lot. As a whole, anybody who makes generalizations in music pisses me off. You cannot define music by the date it was released, and you certainly can't define it by what arbitrary genre distinction it receives.

The first half of that is that people like to pretend that old music is so much more awesome and meaningful than music today, which is only about sex and drugs, unlike music from back when.

For starters, music back when is not as amazing as people like to pretend it is. I'm not generalizing old music at all, because there's certainly some great older music -- I do listen to old music mixed in with my newer music -- but you can find just as much of a lack of meaning in music from older days if you stop looking at it through rose-tinted glasses.

I don't think I even need to pull out examples to make the point that there is a ton of music from the '60s and '70s about drugs. Also, I'm subjected to a ****ton of crappy '80s music on the radio at work, and I don't see anything great about a song that just talks about wearing your sunglasses at night.

Also, there's "Y.M.C.A.," which everyone and their grandmother knows and dances along to. I'm not really sure how factual this is because I've seen/heard mixed reports on the matter, but there's some evidence to suggest that it's about gay men getting together at the YMCA for sex, and even if that's not what it was written about, it certainly gained that meaning for some. Which makes it all the more funny that all of these grandmothers are dancing along to it.

There's other songs that fall into the "old and popular but not really all that meaningful" category, like "December 1963 (Oh, What A Night)", and I could go on trying to find examples of it, but I think you get the point; there's just as much bad old music as good old music.

To get back to my point about generalizing music, to give a cutoff date for good music is absolutely ridiculous, especially with the way music has evolved. There is more music than ever out there today, and to say that no music past the year 2000 is good is absolutely ludicrous. It's the same thing with people generalizing genres; there's far too many songs inside a genre and not enough clear-cut definitions of each genre to say that you dislike an entire genre. I keep telling my friend that about country music, and yet she refuses to believe that there's even a single country song that she could like.

I mean, it doesn't help that nobody even knows what country music really is anyway. I certainly didn't fully understand what country music is until I actually started listening to it myself. I first started listening to Taylor Swift (add that to the list of female pop singers people will hate me for liking) and her music seemed pretty country to me, until I listened to real country and realized that...it's country-pop, and leaning more to the side of pop than country. Then I saw people commenting on the "Country Road" version of "Born This Way" that Lady Gaga released, which I'm still unclear on as to whether it was supposed to be country or not, saying that Lady Gaga is the only one that makes country sound good and she was more country than Taylor Swift with one song, not realizing that neither of the two are actual country. But I digress. I don't see the point in making much of a distinction between genres anyway, just listen to what you like.

I mean, people can say whatever they want about music, but old music is no better than new music. Sure, there was no autotune back in the '60s, but not everything nowadays uses it either. If you want to close yourself off to music you may potentially enjoy by generalizing, that's up to you, but I don't see how anyone has to gain from that. And just like the hipster mentality, I hate the fact that I should feel bad for listening to new music (even though, again, I have plenty of older music as well).

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Adding that to the OP, and for the sake of having the title be more accurate and making it seem less like a repetition of the other blog, I'm changing the title as well.
 

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Even though I feel like I can reply to almost every point made in this post with just a few sentences, I am going to reply to it in depth because it's obvious some work went into writing it.

Last time I checked, her "meat parading" occurred after her first single went quintuple platinum, after her single topped the charts in 6 different countries, after being nominated and winning a number of Grammys for her work. Surely you can't suggest that "her stunts make people listen to her music", especially after she starting pulling the stunt AFTER lots of people recognized her talent.
Besides the fact that I strongly believe the Grammys and other such award shows are extremely biased, I don't doubt that she has talent. I never did, that's what was I was saying at all. I even previously said her music is alright. I would download a few of her songs (her older songs, not anything from born this way because that album is a huge disappointment) but I can't get myself to support an artist that I have such a distinct hatred for.

Anyway, I digress. The fame she earned off of the success of Just Dance was completely justified and i'm not arguing she didn't deserve that. However, you can't honestly say that that's where all of her fame came from. Personally, I even have a few family members who never even heard of her until her meat dress shenanigans made it on the news, and after that, my mom started listening to her music and started talking about how inspiring her songs were. If it weren't for that charade, though, if I had brought up her name in casual conversation today, she would probably reply with something like, "Is that what one of your weird hippy friends is going by nowadays?"

I never said she didn't earn ANY of her fame, but her crazy outfits and overdramatic political statements made her go from just another average "club banging dance pop show-off" to the lord and savior of anything she touches. People treat her like the next Martin Luther King, but she's still just another average popstar.

Don't get me wrong, please, I know EXACTLY where you're coming from. I LIKE Lady Gaga, I like her songs, her voice, and I'd probably like her as a person, and even I find her costumes/personas/choice of attire to be wacky and sometimes completely unneccesary.
I like some of her songs, her voice is above average, and we probably would not get along IRL.

Sure, that's a valid point, but you don't blame Lady Gaga as an artist for this one. Interscope Records affiliated with the retailer Amazon to initiate this deal. Their are razor thin profit margins for the music industry these days. Artists and their affiliated companies do things like this to ensure that they make a profit. The term "fair" in this case is relative, but it happened.
It was more of the fact that she just gets everything handed to her on a silver platter. Leading off of what I was saying above, yes, her voice is better than most in the business. However, her lyrics and melodies are really nothing to be in awe over. Yet, critiques love to define her as none other than the girl on that pedestal. Her extremely over-the-top layer upon layer filled with sexual innuendo'd lyrics get her RAVE reviews for her creativity and ingenuity, while other artists (some of who have been around much longer and have had that shtick practically named after them since their inception in the music industry) do the same thing and get destroyed critically. If Britney Spears was the voice behind songs like Poker Face or LoveGame I have no doubt in my mind that every single review would plaster them as "unoriginal, cliched romps with nothing to bring to the table except catchy beats."

Except, Lady Gaga writes them and all of a sudden they are like pudding to their ears.

Agreed, definitely not a smart statement to make.

Honestly my love for Gaga has fallen off lately. But, I will defend that she has talent, and Firus definitely knows this too. But the costumes, excess ****, it's gotta stop sometime. Sometimes I think she dug herself too deep, but then again...who knows. *shrug*

She does have talent, though. Her concert was pure talent, there was no lip-syncing...she really CAN sing.

Just as idiotic as the other guy who said "all mainstream sucks" in the other blog.
Just makes you sound close-minded and irrelevant.
Like i've said multiple times already, I know she has talent, I was never arguing against that. I just personally hate her and her stunts that lead her to her current level of stardom. Not to mention the whole extremely biased hard-on the music industry seems to have grown for her.



This has probably been my longest post in SWF history. I am so wiped, I think i'm gonna go take a walk or something...
 

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At least now I think the hard-on for her wacky antics is starting to die down, so maybe it'll snap her back into reality.
 

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This whole snobbery about music began when Guitar Hero came out. No one had a problem with radio music, then all of the sudden everyone was a connoisseur of classic rock, rock, and metal and the radio singles were crap. I hate what Guitar Hero did to people. Firrus, like you, I have an older sibling who was pretty rebellious when I was growing up. They always listened to punk rock music and generally disliked listening to anything on the radio because they had already enjoyed the music. I was constantly over hearing people talk about a song that "just came out, have you heard it yet!?" when in fact it had been some time and I by proxy had already listened to the song numerous times.

People don't decide what is played on the radio to an extent. The record companies choose which songs are eligible as singles. The radio also has very little say as to how many times they can, or cannot play a song as they are required by contract to play a song a certain number of times every hour, day, or week. While I dislike hipsters, they do have a point. The artists have very little input as to what goes into their music. Look at Lady Gaga and Lupe fiasco. Are you telling me there isn't a definite change from their older stuff to their most recent? Once an artist becomes famous, their record company goes after the money by fabricating songs that they think will be popular. Yes, most of the time the music is good, it was designed to be that way, but the artists lose control over their own music. You hear about artists, most recently 50 Cent (and Lupe too), having issues with their record company. Why? Because they restrict them. They tell the artists what the people want to hear, or what they think the people want to hear. The record companies don't always let the artists have free reign.

On the subject of selling out, there once was a grand and fabulous TV station that was in direct competition with MTV. MTV's time as the lead producer of quality music television had passed and they were steadily entering the dark holes of reality TV. This TV station created its name as "The place where music lives". If you haven't figured it out by now, the TV station is Fuse. Fuse was honestly the best thing in my mind. They had a mixture of everything including rap, hip-hop, R&B, punk, rock, and metal. They had many different shows that dealt with different things about music, most often dedicated to a certain genre. Fuse no longer has those unique shows anymore. They have turned into a mini MTV by basically now only showing TRLesque shows. Am I a hipster for disliking what Fuse has become? No. I dislike it because Fuse no longer holds the same value as it once had.

Whenever I find a song and then discover that it has become a single, I feel saddened. One of my personal philosophies about music is that, in small quantities, the experience is great. I get bored of listening to the radio because it is the same thing over and over. I have one particular friend that has very little taste in music. I pointed out to him a couple of songs/artists that I felt were pretty unique and had good songs. He literally played one song the entire time I was in his car. I don't know if I like that song anymore. Am I a hipster for that? No. It isn't that I don't like the music, I just like variety. If you ate a ham and cheese sandwich every day for lunch at work, I guarantee after a few weeks you will get sick of the sandwich and on an impulse of disgust switch to something else. Even if you have a bunch of different sandwiches in rotation, after a while you will get disgusted with them and seek something else that is different.

This post is so true.
Lythium knows what's up.
And is in itself, hypocritical.


Ultimately, I just wish people would take music less seriously and learn to just ****ing enjoy life instead of making it their goal in life to over-analyze and ruin everything. I love music, and I just want to be able to listen to music without anyone else trying to add in factors that don't actually matter.
You said earlier you would make cracks to pass the time... what..

Anyways, this thread already shows some semblance of "hate on artist x" so I'll be leaving.
 

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People don't decide what is played on the radio to an extent. The record companies choose which songs are eligible as singles. The radio also has very little say as to how many times they can, or cannot play a song as they are required by contract to play a song a certain number of times every hour, day, or week. While I dislike hipsters, they do have a point. The artists have very little input as to what goes into their music. Look at Lady Gaga and Lupe fiasco. Are you telling me there isn't a definite change from their older stuff to their most recent? Once an artist becomes famous, their record company goes after the money by fabricating songs that they think will be popular. Yes, most of the time the music is good, it was designed to be that way, but the artists lose control over their own music. You hear about artists, most recently 50 Cent (and Lupe too), having issues with their record company. Why? Because they restrict them. They tell the artists what the people want to hear, or what they think the people want to hear. The record companies don't always let the artists have free reign.
I understand that, and I don't blame anyone for the situation with the radio or popular music, for stuff being overplayed or anything. I'm just annoyed at things getting overplayed, and no matter how little control artists have, *****ing about them and telling people how terrible an artist is and how they shouldn't like them is unacceptable. I don't care how trashy someone thinks a song is, if somebody enjoys it, they enjoy it, end of story.

On the subject of selling out, there once was a grand and fabulous TV station that was in direct competition with MTV. MTV's time as the lead producer of quality music television had passed and they were steadily entering the dark holes of reality TV. This TV station created its name as "The place where music lives". If you haven't figured it out by now, the TV station is Fuse. Fuse was honestly the best thing in my mind. They had a mixture of everything including rap, hip-hop, R&B, punk, rock, and metal. They had many different shows that dealt with different things about music, most often dedicated to a certain genre. Fuse no longer has those unique shows anymore. They have turned into a mini MTV by basically now only showing TRLesque shows. Am I a hipster for disliking what Fuse has become? No. I dislike it because Fuse no longer holds the same value as it once had.
Oh man, I used to love Fuse. That's how I discovered almost all of the artists that I listened to for the first few years I listened to music. Totally agree with this, I hate the fact that Fuse used to ridicule MTV and now all of a sudden it's...MTV all over again. I still remember those commercials they used to have specifically deriding MTV's lack of music, and found that incredibly ironic when they ended up going there, too.

You said earlier you would make cracks to pass the time... what..
I'm missing the contradiction here. There's a difference between overly raging at a song coming on the radio when I don't actually mind it that much and being like "OH MY GOD YOU LIKE THAT SONG YOU TERRIBLE PERSON GO KILL YOURSELF." And when I'm sitting in a dead store with nothing to do, I don't really see anything wrong with trying to do something to pass the time. Dunno if you've ever worked in retail before but it can get deadly boring sometimes.

I joke about things like that, but don't actually care if people listen to what they want to listen to, so long as they don't impose their stuff on me. My point is that people need to not over-analyze every lyric and every piece of music and work hard to hate them. Making jokes about songs is fine, legitimately judging it and deciding what music should and shouldn't be listened to is not, at least not in my eyes.
 

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At least now I think the hard-on for her wacky antics is starting to die down, so maybe it'll snap her back into reality.
Hopefully.

Once the media stops fawning over her and she gets over her affinity for attention i'd be more than willing to lend my support to her career.

I kinda really doubt that it'll happen though.
 

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Unfortunately, all I hear when somebody says something like that is "I like Eminem because he's white and because all black rappers sound the same".
I agree. His song "White America" deals with that concept a little bit.

Also, there's "Y.M.C.A.," which everyone and their grandmother knows and dances along to. I'm not really sure how factual this is because I've seen/heard mixed reports on the matter, but there's some evidence to suggest that it's about gay men getting together at the YMCA for sex, and even if that's not what it was written about, it certainly gained that meaning for some. Which makes it all the more funny that all of these grandmothers are dancing along to it.
"The arc of the universe is long, but it bends towards the Village People."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2k

I wouldn't call that song "meaningless" though, considering commons views held towards homosexuality and transgenderism during that time. Underneath the camp, there's a political statement that can only be made when cowboys dance together in the street with construction workers and leather daddies.

Gaga is Madonna 2.0, and her name is a reference to "Radio Gaga" by Queen, a band whose iconic lead singer died of AIDS.

There may be method to the madness, behind the theatrics and the costumes. It makes more sense if you look at how the Village People used costumes, as well as how drag queens and kings put on their extremely campy and over the top performances, something which I think Gaga borrows heavily from. The idea is that if you put on a ridiculous costume and get up on the stage, you can get away with doing almost anything, and people will accept it because they accept it as a show. This is not something frivolous or trivial for people who are not allowed to be themselves off stage.
 

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"The arc of the universe is long, but it bends towards the Village People."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS9OO0S5w2k

I wouldn't call that song "meaningless" though, considering commons views held towards homosexuality and transgenderism during that time. Underneath the camp, there's a political statement that can only be made when cowboys dance together in the street with construction workers and leather daddies.
Oh, I by no means think that makes the song meaningless; given the time, I would say that was, in fact, quite an important message. My point is merely that among all of the people *****ing about all of the sex in today's music...it's not just in today's music.

(Though I do still find it ironic that there are probably people out there who probably wouldn't touch even the idea of homosexuality are out there singing "Y.M.C.A.")

Similarly, people will complain about the lyrics today and how people aren't paying attention to them, but how many people have actually even considered what might be behind the lyrics of "Y.M.C.A." aside from a bunch of hand gestures that form its signature "dance"?

When it comes down to it, what I'm getting at is that music has changed far less than people think it has.
 

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Teran something is wrong with blogs again.
WTF does "token has expired please hit the back button and reload the page" mean?

I lost my wall of text and I'm too tired to remember what I said let alone type it again tonight.

Summary: 2000+ haters party like it's 1999 :troll:
And main stream gets my favs out to the public so the band can keep doing its thing.
Metal cover of bad romance at concert last year was epic. True story.
 

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He even messaged me yesterday to tell me that I had poor tastes in music :c.
Lol. I have never messaged anyone for that specific reason.

Can't be as thuggish as you old man. You pull the race card at bosses and break their **** before quitting, which is freakin' boss.
Which is why I will never be Employee of the Month, you mean. :(

(Though I do still find it ironic that there are probably people out there who probably wouldn't touch even the idea of homosexuality are out there singing "Y.M.C.A.")
I didn't know there were people who didn't know that YMCA is the gayest gay anthem ever. If I find them, I will troll them long and hard with extra flavor.
 

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Teran something is wrong with blogs again.
WTF does "token has expired please hit the back button and reload the page" mean?
It means your token expired and you have to reload.

This has always been a problem in blogs and why you should always either write it in Word or copy the body in case this happens.
 
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