Mr. Game & Watch Frame Data thread

[Lightning Tiger]

Yes i am.
Because dodging grabs like ZSS's is amazing.

 

[GimR]

yeah some one should figure that out

 

[GTZ]

why is item sliding so hard with G&W?

 

[UTDZac]

I think you have a 1-2 frame window of inputing the "throw" during a roll. That's my guess. It's like frame 4 of the roll you press C stick (any dir)

 

[GTZ]

man... I guess I;m not the only G&W mainer that stays up too late.. LOL... Yeah my frame intellect is still new.. so pretty much just keep practicing until I can consistently do it.. I'm assuming training mode works the best?

 

[Splice]

Just play against level 1 CPU with bananas on is fine, GTZ.

I need to study Dair frames more, landing just after the Dair ends so you have no lag is a great mindgame

So ideally you want to land on frame 50, then, UTD do you know? I'm not too sure, I want to get the space between the hitbox ending to when I land and make my next move as small as possible.

 

[SFA Smiley]

I should have looked at this long ago. Hopefully I can study this enough to change my game up before my tourney this weekend

 

[Sylarius]

Forward Tilt
Frame Breakdown:
• 1-9 Startup
• 10-15 Hitbox out
• 16-35 Cooldown

Frame Summary:
Duration: 35
Hits on frame: 10
Hitbox duration: 6
Cooldown: 20
Shield stun: 4
Shield advantage: -24
Shield drop advantage: -17

Down Tilt
Frame Breakdown:
• 1-5 Startup
• 6-15 Hitbox out
• 16-25 Cooldown

Frame Summary:
Duration: 25
Hits on frame: 6
Hitbox duration: 10
Cooldown: 10
Shield stun: 2
Shield advantage: -17
Shield drop advantage: -10

Also Dtilt is far better to use than Ftilt, far far better

 

[Dexident]

F-tilt -

Shield stun: 4

D-tilt -

Shield stun: 2


Ha!

 

[Triforce Of Chozo]

Dtilt hitbox is out for 10 frames and it has a 10 frame cooldown.
Ftilt hitbox is out for 6 frames and it has a 20 frame cooldown.
Dtilt also comes out 4 frames faster. 4 frames is plenty of time for G&W to turn around upon landing.

You already knew this by reading though.

 

[Dexident]

Yes, the facts speak for themselves, I will try the combo out of b-air with a d-tilt next time, but I'm guessing I will stick to my guns and continue using f-tilt or u-tilt. BTW looking at u-tilt frame data it is not nearly as bad as it's made out to be...

 

[Sylarius]

Oh, whoops. This was an accident, I meant to post this on the SOCIAL thread. I guess I wasn't paying enough attention.
Also shield stun doesn't really matter as much as shield advantage does, the opponent have a 17 frame advantage on you if you dtilt them on shield whereas they have a 24 frame advantage if you ftilt on shield.

I should've checked the threads where I were posting <_< it was an accident, ah well

 

[Dexident]

I know, I was mostly joking. But anyway, the pros of f-tilt:

10% damage, higher knockback, 4 shield stun

D-tilt:

6% damage (9 if aerial), less knockback, 2 shield stun.

So obviously d-tilt is the quicker, bigger and more versatile move but I still maintain that f-tilt has its place as a useful tool in GW's toolbox.

 

[SFA Smiley]

I know, I was mostly joking. But anyway, the pros of f-tilt:

10% damage, higher knockback, 4 shield stun

D-tilt:

6% damage (9 if aerial), less knockback, 2 shield stun.

So obviously d-tilt is the quicker, bigger and more versatile move but I still maintain that f-tilt has its place as a useful tool in GW's toolbox.

Not as a useful tool

but a tool nonetheless

 

[-LzR-]

Ftilt is our worst move.

 

[SFA Smiley]

Yeah that

10spiritbombs

 

[Sylarius]

Yeah, I definitely agree with that.

 

[Dexident]

1 hammer is our worst move. /discussion

 

[Sylarius]

1 hammer is not a move in G&W's set, you must be talking about Judgment, which isn't a bad move at all. Judgment wins games.

 

[Dexident]

1 hammer is not a move in G&W's set, you must be talking about Judgment, which isn't a bad move at all. Judgment wins games.

It's probably also lost innumerable games as well. Not to mention d-air of the edge on accident? That loses games too.

Furthermore f-tilt has won many games in its day.

 

[-LzR-]

Ftilt hasn't won any games an fsmash wouldn't have.

 

[Sylarius]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ecF4goNEBw

Dair off the edge by accident doesn't mean it's a bad move, at all........ not even close. That's like saying MK's Shuttle Loop is bad because you can glide off the stage and die.

 

[-LzR-]

Also if you can react fast to it you can slowfall the dair and survive.

 

[Dexident]

Ftilt hasn't won any games an fsmash wouldn't have.

Forward Tilt
Frame Breakdown:
• 1-9 Startup
• 10-15 Hitbox out

Forward Smash
Frame Breakdown:
• 1-16 Startup
• 17-20 Strong hitbox out

7 frames says you're wrong.

 

[-LzR-]

7 frames that don't matter in these moves case. If your opponent shields your fsmash you are not ****ed. If your ftilt gets shielded, enjoy a half charged smash in face and die at 70%.

 

[Dexident]

Well the situation you're talking about doesn't involve either of these moves winning a game, now does it?

 

[-LzR-]

If you aren't killing with Ftilt it means you put yourself into an unnecessaryly high risk without any reward.

 

[UTDZac]

If you aren't killing with Ftilt it means you put yourself into an unnecessaryly high risk without any reward.

There's no risk if you know that fsmash/dsmash aren't fast enough to connect but ftilt is. I've used ftilt many many times because I knew it was faster and a guaranteed hit.

 

[SFA Smiley]

There's no risk if you know that fsmash/dsmash aren't fast enough to connect but ftilt is. I've used ftilt many many times because I knew it was faster and a guaranteed hit.

**** still sucks *** though

not completely useless though, i've actively been trying to use it more... not with much success it's hella situational but i don't really care anymore, i turned up my judgement count massively recently. I figure it'll force me to play better since I have to make sure I can afford to use it.

 

[Dexident]

There's no risk if you know that fsmash/dsmash aren't fast enough to connect but ftilt is. I've used ftilt many many times because I knew it was faster and a guaranteed hit.

THANK you.

I'm not saying it is a great move or our best move, but it has its uses.

 

[-LzR-]

 

[MEOW1337KITTEH]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhjqoPq8_vI

Video of all the hitboxes frame by frame, always useful.

 

[LinkinHand]

ftilt still our most worse move

 

[NouveauRétro]

Eyy could you add damage?