Mr. Game & Watch Frame Data thread

[Hylian]

I am going to try and figure out the pan.

By hacking the game.


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[Neb]

Wheres my shield hitlag, foo'!?

Aside from that, can you get Oil Panic shield stun?

 

[hotgarbage]

OK!

I'm going to finally finish this up. Hopefully this'll be complete in less than a week from this post. Are there any specific requests you guys have?(character specific stuff like the advantage peach has after slapping someone, for an example)

 

[Mr. Escalator]

I know I could ask you in chat, but I really would like frame data on G&W's ledge options. His roll and get up attack above + below 100%, for example.

 

[hotgarbage]

Oh lol, I completely forgot about that stuff xP. I'll be sure to get it, along with invincibility frames.

 

[Neb]

• Shield Hitlag
• Oil Panic Shield Stun
• Chef Stun
• Frames that Dair will Spike
• Duration of Judge 9
• Frame Advantages (On block, and hit)
• Frame Disadvantages (On block, and hit)

That's all I can think of atm.

 

[Neb]

Bump.
Wures dat dayta, foo!?

 

[Mr. Escalator]

I have like all of it x)
Just too lazy to update!
But I suppose I will in the next day or so.

 

[Neb]

I have like all of it x)
Just too lazy to update!
But I suppose I will in the next day or so.

Day or so?
You've had plenty of time! But...whatever you say.
...

 

[Mr. Escalator]

Dont harass me Neb you great big bully.
I will udate at my own lazy pace >:X

 

[Neb]

Why are you so mean, ;_;?

 

[Mr. Escalator]

OH EFF EWE NEB.
Just kidding, love ya <3

Updated all Smashes, all tilts, and all aerials.
Enjoy.

edit: Minus neutral tilt. The jab hasnt been updated :|

 

[K 2]

Wow, Bair and Nair must have been a pain, with the multi hit properties.

 

[Neb]

Thanks, buddeh!
You still owe me data (lol), I'm pretty sure chef's food has enough stun to be a legit trap ("combo"), if close enough.

 

[hotgarbage]

First off I owe you guys and apology for the misinformation on cooldown before. I assumed the hiboxes coincided with the animation... which was realllly stupid . So sorry!

Anyways though, there's still stuff to be done, and I'll get to it as life allows. If anyone cares to pitch in and speed up the process check out this thread (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=193379). I updated it and made it MUCH more simple.




@Neb: The advantage listed is the advantage G&W has after hitting a shield with an attack (may as well call it "disadvantage" in brawl ). "OoS advantage" is the advantage G&W has after he hits their shield with an attack and they drop their shield (advantage -7). I included this because it'll be your opponent's best chance at punishing you if you space well. I need to change the name though; "OoS" isn't very descriptive of what's going on here. I'll add hit advantage (or whatever you call it) for moves that need it... like the advantage he has after the first hit of his neutral A for instance.

I found it interesting how his dsmash and (especially) usmash are virtually unpunishable from shield, considering that their pushback makes grabbing a no go.

 

[GimR]

yo could you get air dodge frame data and rolling/spot dodge data? So we can know how long we are actually invincible.

 

[UTDZac]

Aerials

Nair: 34
Uair: 39
Bair: 39
Fair: 44
Dair: 49

Did anyone notice the pattern of adding 5 to his aerial frame duration? It made me laugh. G&W's moves are so unsmooth.

 

[cutter]

Did anyone notice the pattern of adding 5 to his aerial frame duration? It made me laugh. G&W's moves are so unsmooth.

Makes you wonder if it's coincidence though... or not.

Even then, the frame data shows GW's long*** lingering hitboxes.

 

[Mr. Escalator]

yo could you get air dodge frame data and rolling/spot dodge data? So we can know how long we are actually invincible.

Yeah, we're working on getting these, along with some other misc things; Stuff like ledge options and jumping data.

 

[cutter]

I like to see if GW gets the same amount of invinc frames on the ledge as any other character. I assume this is the case but it could be different like it is with spotdodges/rolls.

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

I'm pretty sure Mr. Game & Watch's spotdodge is, despite how it looks, completely ordinary frame-wise (I recall an old topic about spotdodges that revealed that most characters have the same spotdodge and that Mr. Game & Watch was actually among them). I don't know about his rolls; I don't think anyone has ever collected frame data on them.

 

[K@0S]

Roll sucks, and up-b > spotdodge in almost every situation.


And btw that thread is what made me use more jab cancels instead of dtilts

 

[Neb]

Don't forget to get frame data on dashA and chef (everything >:}).

<3

 

[cutter]

Can we also please get frame data for charge releases on smashes?

 

[A2ZOMG]

Yeah. That would be helpful.

All I do know is that F-smash is PSable on reaction, but U-smash and D-smash are not.

 

[Cyan_]

Roll sucks, and up-b > spotdodge in almost every situation.


And btw that thread is what made me use more jab cancels instead of dtilts

Agreed, for both statements. I almost never roll, except by accident, upB ftw.

EDIT: lol100thpost.

 

[hotgarbage]

Eh, sorry for the holdup on this, I've been ill this week (flu x_____x). New stuff should (hopefully) be forthcoming.

 

[Neb]

Eh, sorry for the holdup on this, I've been ill this week (flu x_____x). New stuff should (hopefully) be forthcoming.

Ah, well get better soon.
And thank you, .

 

[Mr. Escalator]

New data on Rolls + Airdodge + Spotdodge.
NOT UPDATED THOUGH LOL.

I like to make big updates, so waiting for more stuff first ;]

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

That would be a big update; that's critical data! I know I'm such a noob; I unrepentantly roll a lot.

 

[Ruuku]

That would be a big update; that's critical data! I know I'm such a noob; I unrepentantly roll a lot.

Pretty much every time you would roll, think upB instead. That's what I do. Maybe a bit too much. >_<

 

[Mr. Escalator]

ColinJF says your defensive game is meh, AA, so this data will surely be quite beneficial for you!
^___^

 

[Neb]

lol, AA. Say, weren't you the one that got pikmin-cide on RC?

u_u...

 

[cutter]

That would be a big update; that's critical data! I know I'm such a noob; I unrepentantly roll a lot.

GW is the perfect character to break the habit of rolling a lot... I did this with my friends by telling them to play GW since they did nothing but roll to get around and dodge.

 

[Mr. Escalator]

lol, AA. Say, weren't you the one that got pikmin-cide on RC?

u_u...

Yeah, I saw that. My comment is the NDS one x)
And he really could of survived it. Ah well.

 

[Ruuku]

lol, AA. Say, weren't you the one that got pikmin-cide on RC?

u_u...

Oh man that sucks.

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

I just don't think rolling is as bad as everyone says. Up special leaves you in a kinda bad position when you start to get predictable...

At least I found out about that Olimar thing in a friendly, as hilarious as it was...

 

[Neb]

*Cough

 

[Mr. Escalator]

-Changed Advantage to Shield dvantage.
-Changed OoS dvantage to Shield drop advantage.
-Included charged hitbox on the smashes.
-Listed defensive options under Etc.
-Listed dash attack under Tilts.

Enjoy; more is on the way.

 

[Neb]

Thanks, Hotgarbage and Esc.
Dsmash and Usmash are incredible, 3 and 2 frame charge releases, descent shield stun, and nearly lagless coming in contact with shields.