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Well see the issue with that is that no one currently plays on Wuhu Island or 8-player Omegas.
No, I agree about the kicks, I wouldn't want to throw it out against a distant opponent unless they were just hitting buttons for some reason. I was thinking more of pinning a shield and crossing up to safety, yeah, although we're still not 100% on how Dragon Lunge interacts with shields (I do believe it won't beat them, but the move would be that much more amazing if it did).
that's his rapid jab.
i know that but the thing he does before doing a ftilt while going to pit he has his sword in front of him?
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying Umbra Clock Tower may have really close blastzones making DL look like it kills sooner.
I think that's just his run animation
oh yah ur right lmao btw I've been meaning to ask this but does corrin have a tipper effect on all her moves or just her smashes? thanks!
Only her smashes as for as we know.
side-B also has a tipper effect when hit in the air
Check this out:
I found the bite; it does not hit, neither can I tell if it was fully charged but I'm loving the color and electricity, makes it look more deadly.
Wrecked.
Interesting analysis but I didn't say he looked light... I said UCT might be making Dragon Lunge look more powerful then it is, namely the part where he got Marth with it. Killing from mid stage wouldn't be massively different, but edgeguarding would.
I remember you saying somewhere earlier that he didn't look like he was a fast faller. Must have been just an assumption on my part.
that was on the omega form of UCT, though. All of the omega forms are about the same length as FD.
WOW, I didn't even notice that!!
Or they buffed Pit's Fsmash. I find it funny that not only do you not take into consideration that this stage isn't out yet, making it impossible to know anything about the blast zones, but you're comparing Pit to Ryu. Just...stop.
I wasn't comparing Pit to Ryu. I was comparing how Corrin flew when hit by Pit's F-smash to how Ryu flew in the same scenario.
The entire purpose of that post was to try to find a way to learn something about that stage's blast zones. It's not impossible to know ANYTHING about a stage that we have footage of.
We know the stage has smaller blast zones and it has non-teachable platforms. Like, that's it. Trying to find out anything else about it is pointless. It's gunna be out in a few days anyways. It's better to just keep learning things about Corrin at this point like, I dunno. His frame data?
There are still better things to speculate about and actually find out about Corrin. Like his frame data lol. Someone needs to get on that. The whole killing thing is definitely valid though, yeah. But you should just leave it at that imo. There isn't enough information set in stone about this stage to make any valid assumptions.
Mr. Johan
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This stage was in omega form, so it has FD blastzones (maybe with a 1% difference) and is likely the size of FD. The problem with frame data is that we don't know the active hitboxes, which makes figuring out frames tricky. We're likely getting the frame data soon after the patch releases anyways.
That didn't seem to stop people from trying to get frame data information from Cloud's showcase, and they didn't even have a 60fps video to go off of.
We tried with the 30fps video earlier in the thread. Now we have more interesting things to talk about other than specific information about things that we can't know for sure.
Why does that look so lagless!?
Fair looks safe on shield (Bayo tried to Jump Oos nair)
Where have you been the past month, bruh. We have someone who made a list of frame data from the 30fps footage. These corrin noobs coming from everywhere, jeez >_>
Ye... Corrin won't be impressing you until she kills at 30 with tilts and has combo throws that start killing at 5 with an average frame data of 1
Even around the time his frame data was speculated I was under the impression that the general consensus was to take the lists that were given with a grain of salt. There's definitely a reason to analyze the new videos for information on Corrin's frame data. Even if the margin of error on the previous lists wasn't bad, the new videos allow us to be 100% certain about his moves. If my computer wasn't so bad, I'd probably be doing that right now.
I'm just making a point that we've talked about frame data before (and it seems our predictions about most, if not all, moves frame data was correct where most moves we thought were gonna be really fast are). Right now i'm focused on what Corrin can actually do.
sunfallSeraph
to provide my comments on Corrin's available info. So I shall.
Basically said everything I've been thinking since December. I got laughed at for saying this character was gonna have some borderline OP moves like bair and fair. By the way, it was the uptilt that lead into the uair at 80 and it hits Bayonetta from the ground. And Corrin moves as fast as Mario to me like I've said before.Okay, so I was asked by
First, on movespeed. In what universe is what we have seen called SLOW?! You people are so spoiled, good lord! Sure, maybe if you are comparing Corrin's movespeed to Sheik, ZSS or Limit Cloud, then it looks slow. Ok. But she's not slow. She looks about average. And you know what? That's perfectly fine! She has TONS OF RANGE. Extra speed would most likely be excessive. If you look at the other sword wielders, speed is basically directly inverse to range. Roy and MK are fast as hell, but short range. Ike is a bit slower, but has extra range. The 'exception' to this is somewhat Cloud, who is fast, and has large range, but has a lot of start-up on many of his approach tools. Corrin's speed is just fine for the range she has.
Airspeed, fallspeed, jump height, jumpsquat all look very functional. Short hop is very close to the ground, and in the 1v1 video you see the Corrin player frequently making use of SH -> FF Uair, which has very little visible landing lag, and surprisingly great forward range. Uair looks reeeeally good. Similarly, we also see what looks like FH Fair -> Falling Nair. Nair looks to have very little landing lag and great range.
Talking about other moves.....
Jab looks great. Gentleman variant looks pretty consistent, and the rapid bite is so gigantic that I don't think there will be any worries about people falling out of it. Solid range on the initial strike, and fast.
F-tilt. Why are people saying this move is bad, wtf? Robin makes functional use of her's, and it has half the range, does less damage, and she's got a slower run speed to pivot it with! That move is going to be a fantastic ground spacer and I won't be told otherwise. There's barely any lag on it.
There is no universe in which you can convince me that is a bad move.
D-tilt looks great as well. As was pointed out, appears to have very low KBG, showing a string into Uair at 80%. Very solid ground combo starter. Great range once again.
U-tilt I am unsure on. Hitbox looks great vertically, and pretty active, but seems somewhat narrow horizontally. Will take some playing with to see how effective it is as an actually functional anti-air.
F-Smash is better than I expected. Figured it would have some apparent drawback due to the range, but based on when we saw it kill in the trailer, Pivot F-Smash will be reeeeeally good.
U-Smash looks as fast as I was hoping, but we didn't actually see it connect. Jury remains out. Same with D-Smash.
Uair looks like a better Marth Uair in every possible way. A+
Bair has the autocancel I prayed it would, so that move is going to be SUPER useful.
Dair looks surprisingly good. Start-up looks low enough that I wouldn't really call it reactable, and it's not so laggy that you can HARD punish it even if blocked.
Fair looks like it might be the god move. That move looks like it has no landing lag, and the range is NUTS. It's like Brawl marth Fair on roids.
Nair looks really useful as a spacing tool (huge range, low landing lag), but it didn't look like it did very much damage or necessarily connected reliably. Will take some playing with.
DFS is about what I expected. Not going to get an amazing follow-up at long range, but it charges very fast and has solid stun at close range. Can definitely get good payoff with it with the right read. I also saw the JP player B-reverse it while landing, so that's going to be a solid defensive mixup.
Dragon Lunge. This move looks a lot better than I thought. The direct trailer made it look like it had a ton of start-up, but evidently not if used from the air. This will be great for landing mixups, cannot wait to lab applications. @False Sense was 100% correct to note this interaction:
Being able to use that out of a pivot and bail on a kick-away if needed... really good.
Dragon's Ascent I was HOPING didn't send Corrin into helpless, but alas, it does. Still looks more than functional as a recovery. Great distance, a hitbox that reaches above the ledge, and it auto-snaps. Check, check, check.
Dragon Surge is what I expected. Probably going to be the best counter because it kills vertically? Probably? (Unless you count Ryu's Focus Attack as a 'counter-type' move.)
Throw game looks like it could potentially be a bit spotty, but if D-throw kills (it looks like it has good knock-back) then we're in business, nothing else really matters at that point.
I am very excited for this character. Has all the makings of a strong sword character.
