Social Mother of the Cosmos: Rosalina [General/Social] Thread (Closed)

[NintenRob]

 

[Veggi]

Hey all,

I just got back from SDCC and played nearly 120 matches over the 4 days and played Rosalina at least 60% of the time. Needless to say the three smash reps I cycled between (I buddied up with them and they helped me get in extra games though it was very easy to play there) said I was by far the best Rosalina they saw playing (though I'm not sure how popular she was, I rarely played against her.

I'm happy to answer any Q's you may have about my play time with her but man oh man is she gonna be on a whole nother level once we can play 1 v 1. My biggest surprise was noticing how Rosalina does not get remarkably worse when loosing Luma, she just has more difficulty killing but no real difficulty surviving until the very brief waiting time ends and another Luma spawns.

I have a million more thoughts but would rather answer Q's than write y'all up an essay.

Does her Gravitational Pull pull opponents closer to you or is it only items? How does it function against regular projectiles?

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Does her Gravitational Pull pull opponents closer to you or is it only items? How does it function against regular projectiles?

We haven't seen it work on opponents, except maybe the grab technique, but that's a separate move

 

[ChikoLad]

I don't...?

Are you trying to tell me you're Rosalina's puppy dog?

 

[Shirma Akayaku]

I guess what really matters at the moment, is that the demo isn't the final build, so it remains to be seen how Rosalina will work out when the final build is finished.

Of course, I do wonder if some of Rosalina's throws will have KO potential too.

From what I've seen, Rosalina's back throw seems to go farther than her forward throw. Her up throw and down throw don't seem to send opponents that far, with the up throw having the least distance. Although her up throw has the least distance, it seems to be good for putting pressure since you can probably follow up with an attack. The only thing I'm not sure of is if Luma attacks while Rosalina pummels the opponent, like Ice Climbers do.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

From what I've seen, Rosalina's back throw seems to go farther than her forward throw. Her up throw and down throw don't seem to send opponents that far, with the up throw having the least distance. Although her up throw has the least distance, it seems to be good for putting pressure since you can probably follow up with an attack. The only thing I'm not sure of is if Luma attacks while Rosalina pummels the opponent, like Ice Climbers do.

Perhaps Rosalina could use her up throw to perform chain grabs. Of course, it might end up being more effective against big targets, such as Bowser and Donkey Kong.

 

[Rose alumna]

From what I've seen, Rosalina's back throw seems to go farther than her forward throw. Her up throw and down throw don't seem to send opponents that far, with the up throw having the least distance. Although her up throw has the least distance, it seems to be good for putting pressure since you can probably follow up with an attack. The only thing I'm not sure of is if Luma attacks while Rosalina pummels the opponent, like Ice Climbers do.

its possible it might but thats a good think and a bad thing good b/c at high %'s luma can possibly ko like the ice climbers or make some good combos with star bits i see that being a chain grab bad unless lumas is far away it wont mess ur pummels up theres so many possible out comes

 

[Xavier :D]

Her back throw seems to be the most powerful out of the four.

 

[Shirma Akayaku]

Her back throw seems to be the most powerful out of the four.

Exactly. I'm starting to find this true across the board for most of the characters we've seen in action (a few possible exceptions). Pretty much every back throw each character has seems to send the opponents flying the furthest, rather than their forward, down, and up throw. I'm not sure why it's setup this way though... Maybe it's for balancing the game?

I wonder if the back throw has the most damage or the least damage... Anyone care to speculate or guess?

 

[ChikoLad]

Rosalina will likely have strong grabs, since magic and psychic users have the most powerful grabs in Smash, while swordfighters have the weakest.

Rosalina basically uses the force to grab people and her overall moveset seems magic influenced, so she fits the bill for having a strong grab.

 

[Novice_Brave]

In general, magic/psychic characters do have stronger grabs - and back throws tend to kill earliest, since they can be easily pulled off near the edge of a stage and tend to have fairly strong knockback compared to other throws. E.g. Ness, Zelda, Mario, Luigi, Lucas. I would imagine Rosalina's grabs would follow this pattern.

 

[Shirma Akayaku]

I'm sorry...

Not sorry. It says "Nightmare Fuel".

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

You know, a Miiverse user did make a drawing of Rosalina and her Luma, with Daxter trying to flirt with Rosalina. However, that got removed by the administrators, since it contained a sexually explicit quote.

 

[ChikoLad]

I'm sorry...

Not sorry. It says "Nightmare Fuel".

 

[NintenRob]

You know, a Miiverse user did make a drawing of Rosalina and her Luma, with Daxter trying to flirt with Rosalina. However, that got removed by the administrators, since it contained a sexually explicit quote.

I saw that one, I didn't think there was anything wrong with it though.

 

[Swiftie_Muggle]

I'm sorry...

Not sorry. It says "Nightmare Fuel".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBH8l1R-ajY

 

[Shirma Akayaku]

You know, a Miiverse user did make a drawing of Rosalina and her Luma, with Daxter trying to flirt with Rosalina. However, that got removed by the administrators, since it contained a sexually explicit quote.

It was this picture:

 

[Swiftie_Muggle]

It was this picture:

I don't even know what he is saying , but i'm sure it's not pleasant.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

It was this picture:

If I were to guess, the word "toots" probably resulted in the post deletion.

 

[Shirma Akayaku]

I don't even know what he is saying , but i'm sure it's not pleasant.

Just in case you had trouble reading it since the text is small, here's what it says:
"How's 'bout ya ditch the star toots?"
"Get'cha some orange lightning"

He's basically flirting / hitting on her in a very sexual, innuendo kind of way.

If I were to guess, the word "toots" probably resulted in the post deletion.

The author / artist himself said it was probably the way admins interpreted "orange lightning", but it was just his guess.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Just in case you had trouble reading it since the text is small, here's what it says:
"How's 'bout ya ditch the star toots?"
"Get'cha some orange lightning"

He's basically flirting / hitting on her in a very sexual, innuendo kind of way.


The author / artist himself said it was probably the way admins interpreted "orange lightning", but it was just his guess.

Still, toots seems to often be affiliated with sexual activities, much like with breasts.

 

[Swiftie_Muggle]

Just in case you had trouble reading it since the text is small, here's what it says:
"How's 'bout ya ditch the star toots?"
"Get'cha some orange lightning"

He's basically flirting / hitting on her in a very sexual, innuendo kind of way.


The author / artist himself said it was probably the way admins interpreted "orange lightning", but it was just his guess.

LMAO! I just had the biggest dumb blonde moment in my life online yet XDD
I thought it was not in english , rather in some kind of language similar to simlish or something because it was so small XDDD

But yeah , no wonder why it was taken out , i don't like when people try too hard to sexualize Rosalina ; but the art it's really good anyways.

 

[NintenRob]

I wouldn't say Rosalina is even being sexualised in that picture, its just Daxter trying to flirt with her and she doesn't seem to impressed.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

It's already bad enough that there are people who are willing to mess up Rosalina's personality.

Rosalina is supposed to be an honest, gentle, intelligent, brave, and very good tempered person. She never gets angry, but can sometimes feel sad.

 

[Gravitational23]

This is miiverse in a nutshell with Rosalina

 

[Swiftie_Muggle]

Maybe that's why they changed her voice , it was too cool and mature , now she is just normal , so they tonned it down making her more like Mario , Peach , Toad , etc...

She went from this:

To this:

But people still just seem to have the need to see her wearing nothing but a swin suit ... something that kinda destroys her even more since i don't agree when they try to make ''fanservice'' of a character that's just the polar opposite , personality wise at least.

 

[NintenRob]

All I wanted to do was play as Rosalina online in Smash, was that to much to ask?

 

[ChikoLad]

It was this picture:

Actually, this didn't deserve to be removed at all. "Toots", when interpreted positively, just means "babe", "sweetie", or "honey". Although there are negative connotations like "tart" and "prostitute", the context in this picture is quite obviously on the positive side, and the phrase is used a lot in family friendly media, and it's something Daxter says a lot in his games when referring to women (he flirts with nearly every young lady in the games). Toots is said a lot by people with a Brooklyn accent, which Daxter has.

And "Orange Lightning" is just Daxter's self-created nickname for himself. He even references it in PS-All Stars. Nothing about this is sexual.

For those who don't know what Daxter is like, he's actually originally the same human-like race as his best friend, Jak, but he was transformed into an otter due to an accident involving the game's made up magical energy, called "Eco". He's always been the weaker and shorter of the two and the otter transformation only made him worse in that regard (though it gave him a lot of agility, which he never had before - hence, "Orange Lightning"). As a result, he's very eccentric and has a brotherly rivalry with Jak. His flirting with girls is just the result of him trying to one-up Jak (even though Jak isn't exactly competing with him).

Though the Jak & Daxter games do have more mature themes at points (there is one point where Daxter gets legitimately drunk), the first game was pretty tame and his personality was flirty, but not sexual. I don't know if he develops more of a sexuality later on, though, as I only have played the first game (and even then I still haven't completed it, though I am very far into it).

But people still just seem to have the need to see her wearing nothing but a swin suit ... something that kinda destroys her even more since i don't agree when they try to make ''fanservice'' of a character that's just the polar opposite , personality wise at least.

There is absolutely nothing about Rosalina's personality to suggest she can't have a sense of sexuality. Nothing that suggests she DOES have it in particular, but there is nothing saying she is a definite asexual, it's just down to fan interpretation, since her sexuality has never been addressed (while we know Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser are all definitely attracted to the opposite sex). One surprisingly popular interpretation of Rosalina is that she is a transexual-bisexual.

My personal interpretation of Rosalina's sexuality (while the following isn't NSFW or dirty in any way, people who are uncomfortable with discussion of sexuality should not read on)...

Spoiler

...is that she is demi-heterosexual. For those who don't know, demisexuals can only feel sexually attracted to someone if they first form a strong emotional connection - this does not necessarily have to be romantic attachment, though (in Rosalina's case, however, I believe it does have to be a romantic attraction). A demi-heterosexual is simply a more specific type, meaning a demisexual who can only be attracted to the opposite sex (this is not a random thing I did to suit me though, I have canon related reasoning for this). Also, demisexuality does not mean that one is attracted to ANYONE they form a strong emotional connection with, it's simply a requirement to feel that attraction. It is not the same as simply abstaining from sex until marriage like many people do, for example, it's a literal inability to feel sexual attraction until a strong emotional connection is formed.

I also believe that Rosalina does not realise this and cannot explain it. I believe that if she did ever feel sexual attraction, she would not understand what she is feeling and it would be one of the few things that make her lose her composure (since sexual stimulation is a very intense feeling and anyone who doesn't understand it will struggle to deal with it). She'd probably freak out internally, and lock herself away to calm down for a little bit. She would need someone who would be willing to explain it to her without actually engaging in sex with her, and if she were to ever willingly have sex, she would have to first completely understand it. This is because she went through her teenage and adult years living only with Lumas, and as a result, was never raised to understand human reproduction or sexuality, nor did she ever understand the significance of the maturity her body underwent. She literally believes that humans come from stardust, like Lumas, as it was a fairytale that her parents told her and her brother as kids, and then the Lumas continued to tell her this as they literally believed it to be true too (as it is how they are born). As we know from the Baby characters in the Yoshi's Island games, it is implied that humans in the Mario universe are reproduced just like in real life. I also believe that anyone who is perverted in nature and desires her for her body alone would be an extreme danger to her psychological state, especially if they got their way with her, and due to the immense power she has and unknown boundaries of it, making Rosalina feel violated or overly confused could endanger the universe.

However, I believe Rosalina's sexual attraction would not be limited to humans. I believe she could potentially be sexually attracted to anyone, regardless of their species, so long as they have the same level of emotions and feelings as humans. This in no way paints her as a tramp nor is it fetishistic, it's merely because she has probably encounters so many human-like species on her travels through the universe that she probably has become immune to the differentiation in body types species can have (plus, demisexuals are not particularly influenced by body type in terms of sexual attraction as is). The only exception is the Lumas. She cannot feel sexual or romantic attraction to any Lumas because they view her as their mother, and she views them as her children. She has a very specific bond with Lumas, and that cannot be altered, no matter what. She will always love them like a mother. However, I believe Lumas are asexual, since they are born from stardust and are very childlike in nature. So there's never any risk of this balance being thrown off. In fact, I believe Rosalina has freely been completely naked in front of Lumas, but neither party thinks anything of it, since Lumas cannot feel sexual attraction and Rosalina has never felt it before and never will for a Luma, so there is no awkwardness in it for them. For example, she would let them join her when she bathes. There is absolutely nothing sexual about this interaction though, and is again, very much a mother-child relationship, like how a mother might bathe their baby. The Lumas view Rosalina as the most beautiful thing in the universe, but only aesthetically and in terms of how they value her as a person.

...Yeah, I wasn't lying when I said I have headcanons for pretty much anything in relation to Rosalina.

 

[Swiftie_Muggle]

Actually, this didn't deserve to be removed at all. "Toots", when interpreted positively, just means "babe", "sweetie", or "honey". Although there are negative connotations like "tart" and "prostitute", the context in this picture is quite obviously on the positive side, and the phrase is used a lot in family friendly media, and it's something Daxter says a lot in his games when referring to women (he flirts with nearly every young lady in the games). Toots is said a lot by people with a Brooklyn accent, which Daxter has.

And "Orange Lightning" is just Daxter's self-created nickname for himself. He even references it in PS-All Stars. Nothing about this is sexual.

For those who don't know what Daxter is like, he's actually originally the same human-like race as his best friend, Jak, but he was transformed into an otter due to an accident involving the game's made up magical energy, called "Eco". He's always been the weaker and shorter of the two and the otter transformation only made him worse in that regard (though it gave him a lot of agility, which he never had before - hence, "Orange Lightning"). As a result, he's very eccentric and has a brotherly rivalry with Jak. His flirting with girls is just the result of him trying to one-up Jak (even though Jak isn't exactly competing with him).

Though the Jak & Daxter games do have more mature themes at points (there is one point where Daxter gets legitimately drunk), the first game was pretty tame and his personality was flirty, but not sexual. I don't know if he develops more of a sexuality later on, though, as I only have played the first game (and even then I still haven't completed it, though I am very far into it).



There is absolutely nothing about Rosalina's personality to suggest she can't have a sense of sexuality. Nothing that suggests she DOES have it in particular, but there is nothing saying she is a definite asexual, it's just down to fan interpretation, since her sexuality has never been addressed (while we know Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser are all definitely attracted to the opposite sex). One surprisingly popular interpretation of Rosalina is that she is a transexual-bisexual.

My personal interpretation of Rosalina's sexuality (while the following isn't NSFW or dirty in any way, people who are uncomfortable with discussion of sexuality should not read on)...

Spoiler

...is that she is demi-heterosexual. For those who don't know, demisexuals can only feel sexually attracted to someone if they first form a strong emotional connection - this does not necessarily have to be romantic attachment, though (in Rosalina's case, however, I believe it does have to be a romantic attraction). A demi-heterosexual is simply a more specific type, meaning a demisexual who can only be attracted to the opposite sex (this is not a random thing I did to suit me though, I have canon related reasoning for this). Also, demisexuality does not mean that one is attracted to ANYONE they form a strong emotional connection with, it's simply a requirement to feel that attraction. It is not the same as simply abstaining from sex until marriage like many people do, for example, it's a literal inability to feel sexual attraction until a strong emotional connection is formed.

I also believe that Rosalina does not realise this and cannot explain it. I believe that if she did ever feel sexual attraction, she would not understand what she is feeling and it would be one of the few things that make her lose her composure (since sexual stimulation is a very intense feeling and anyone who doesn't understand it will struggle to deal with it). She'd probably freak out internally, and lock herself away to calm down for a little bit. She would need someone who would be willing to explain it to her without actually engaging in sex with her, and if she were to ever willingly have sex, she would have to first completely understand it. This is because she went through her teenage and adult years living only with Lumas, and as a result, was never raised to understand human reproduction or sexuality, nor did she ever understand the significance of the maturity her body underwent. She literally believes that humans come from stardust, like Lumas, as it was a fairytale that her parents told her and her brother as kids, and then the Lumas continued to tell her this as they literally believed it to be true too (as it is how they are born). As we know from the Baby characters in the Yoshi's Island games, it is implied that humans in the Mario universe are reproduced just like in real life. I also believe that anyone who is perverted in nature and desires her for her body alone would be an extreme danger to her psychological state, especially if they got their way with her, and due to the immense power she has and unknown boundaries of it, making Rosalina feel violated or overly confused could endanger the universe.

However, I believe Rosalina's sexual attraction would not be limited to humans. I believe she could potentially be sexually attracted to anyone, regardless of their species, so long as they have the same level of emotions and feelings as humans. This in no way paints her as a tramp nor is it fetishistic, it's merely because she has probably encounters so many human-like species on her travels through the universe that she probably has become immune to the differentiation in body types species can have (plus, demisexuals are not particularly influenced by body type in terms of sexual attraction as is). The only exception is the Lumas. She cannot feel sexual or romantic attraction to any Lumas because they view her as their mother, and she views them as her children. She has a very specific bond with Lumas, and that cannot be altered, no matter what. She will always love them like a mother. However, I believe Lumas are asexual, since they are born from stardust and are very childlike in nature. So there's never any risk of this balance being thrown off. In fact, I believe Rosalina has freely been completely naked in front of Lumas, but neither party thinks anything of it, since Lumas cannot feel sexual attraction and Rosalina has never felt it before and never will for a Luma, so there is no awkwardness in it for them. For example, she would let them join her when she bathes. There is absolutely nothing sexual about this interaction though, and is again, very much a mother-child relationship, like how a mother might bathe their baby. The Lumas view Rosalina as the most beautiful thing in the universe, but only aesthetically and in terms of how they value her as a person.

...Yeah, I wasn't lying when I said I have headcanons for pretty much anything in relation to Rosalina.

Well , you totally have a really interesting point of view right there ; i actually like to think of Rosalina as a character that's really representing the Mother figure, authority , someone you can trust , someone who is strong but also really emotional and therefore nothing sexual comes to My mind since she is standing on her own , also she is very conservative even if she reveals a little her skin , not old fashioned like Peach , theres the difference. My point is , that maybe she can be the target of sexual based art or too revealing or even provocative art , but it bothers me that people ''LIKE'' her just because that's all what she represents to them , a generic female character in videogames that can be sexualized ; i don't believe she is , nor that she is just a ''plain jane''.

 

[Krazy4Krash]

http://www.avclub.com/article/all-30-mario-kart-8-characters-reviewed-207500

Now I just found this simply hilarious, in part simply for the reason it compliments Rosalina. Namely the following:

[...] there is a difference between wearing the jumpsuit look and owning it. This is wearing it:

This is owning it:

 

[ChikoLad]

http://www.avclub.com/article/all-30-mario-kart-8-characters-reviewed-207500

Now I just found this simply hilarious, in part simply for the reason it compliments Rosalina. Namely the following:

Damn it, you beat me to it!

I read that article last night, and the Rosalina section is perfection.

Also:

My takeaway: Peach and Daisy are girls. Rosalina is a woman.

Someone finally gets it.

Also:

The girls, meanwhile, have pacifiers to ensure that their baby-ness is not in dispute. The two princesses are dull and predictable, but Baby Rosalina, seen above, looks like she’s ready to cut someone, and she frightens me.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Funny how that article refers to Yoshi as Jar-Jar Binks done right. He doesn't even have anything in common with Jar-Jar.

Anyway, it's nice that Rosalina got a positive review on that article, though I still consider her dress to be way more appealing than her biker outfit.

 

[Gravitational23]

The best part of the article has to be about daisy."I imagine Daisy is a closeted lesbian, plucked from the socially liberal dream world of Super Mario Land’s Sarasaland and forced to mold her identity to the Mushroom Kingdom’s rigid gender roles. She steals furtive glances at Toadette and posts Orange Is The New Black GIFs to her Tumblr. I imagine these things. But really, she’s Princess Peach with brown hair" this is why I love av club.

 

[ChikoLad]

The best part of the article has to be about daisy."I imagine Daisy is a closeted lesbian, plucked from the socially liberal dream world of Super Mario Land’s Sarasaland and forced to mold her identity to the Mushroom Kingdom’s rigid gender roles. She steals furtive glances at Toadette and posts Orange Is The New Black GIFs to her Tumblr. I imagine these things. But really, she’s Princess Peach with brown hair" this is why I love av club.

Yeah, that piece summed up Daisy best.

I feel like most of her fans only like her because she was the "player two girl" character in a lot of games and people have just gotten attached to her because she was the only woman they could play as for the longest time, or some personal story to that effect, and I think they also make headcanons to make her seem better that have very little basis. Her actual character feels hardly differentiated at all from Peach, save for some very rare and minor instances in some games. I don't mind the character (but she isn't particularly interesting so I don't care for her either), but a lot of her biggest fans get really, really obnoxious. That paragraph of that article basically highlights this with subtlety.

At least I can put forward a ton of good reasons as to why Rosalina is just a really well developed character, without adding on personal bias and my own stories as to why I like the character. One objective thing I can say about Rosalina is that she is the only character within the main Mario series that has any agency (as well as the Luma in her storybook).

 

[Swiftie_Muggle]

The article of the ''review'' of Mario Kart characters needs to be a serious joke , since calling Rosalina the best character and starting it saying that the desing, the hair, the biker suit and the sex appeal are her best assets is really stupid , and basically complimenting her ''owning'' Peach needs to be a serious Joke too . I get that people like her , but it gets boring how they always start saying that she is this or that , to the point she just became overrated.

 

[ChikoLad]

The article of the ''review'' of Mario Kart characters needs to be a serious joke , since calling Rosalina the best character and starting it saying that the desing, the hair, the biker suit and the sex appeal are her best assets is really stupid , and basically complimenting her ''owning'' Peach needs to be a serious Joke too . I get that people like her , but it gets boring how they always start saying that she is this or that , to the point she just became overrated.

 

[Swiftie_Muggle]

How is Daisy overrated? She is not anymore relevant than Peach or even Rosalina to these days , not to mention she is not as popular as the former two.
And why is that many people that like Rosalina are so against Daisy? Don't get it.

Also i like the characters not only because of their desing but because their personality , abilities and story ; But when it comes to Rosalina , many people seem to completely forget about all and start complimenting her appearence to the point of making too much fanservice and start seeing her as a generic Mario/Video Game female that only serves as an eye-candy.

 

[ChikoLad]

How is Daisy overrated? She is not anymore relevant than Peach or even Rosalina to these days , not to mention she is not as popular as the former two.
And why is that many people that like Rosalina are so against Daisy? Don't get it.

Also i like the characters not only because of their desing but because their personality , abilities and story ; But when it comes to Rosalina , many people seem to completely forget about all and start complimenting her appearence to the point of making too much fanservice and start seeing her as a generic Mario/Video Game female that only serves as an eye-candy.

Daisy is overrated in the sense that everyone pretends that she is much more than she actually is. At the end of the day, her creation was very much an afterthought and Nintendo has done little to flesh her out (heck, SEGA has done more good to her than Nintendo has). While she has a lot of potential to be a very engaging and interesting character...that's really only because she's a completely blank slate when Nintendo handles her.

The AV Club put it perfectly:

I imagine Daisy is a closeted lesbian, plucked from the socially liberal dream world ofSuper Mario Land’s Sarasaland and forced to mold her identity to the Mushroom Kingdom’s rigid gender roles. She steals furtive glances at Toadette and posts Orange Is The New Black GIFs to her Tumblr. I imagine these things. But really, she’s Princess Peach with brown hair.

This is actually a very good observation of how a lot of Daisy fans argue she is a well developed character - they create their own little facts about her to give her more agency, make her feel more like a real person, even though she doesn't have them, at least when it's Nintendo handling her. Rosalina, and even Peach (in the RPGs and Paper Mario series, not in the main series), inherently have agency, Rosalina especially, since her back story deals with a situation every human being is going to have to face at one point or another, in some shape or form, and she feels like she actually thinks deeply about the choices she has to make, and feels like she's got some very defined values, and feels like she's got some sense of ego (I don't mean that in the sense that she's egotistical, because she isn't - I mean it in relation to Freudian psychology). And Rosalina headcanons tend to have more actual relation to canon facts, thus, they are actual headcanons, and not just a random fact shoehorned onto the character.

I'm not against Daisy. As I said before, I just don't care for her, because Nintendo has given me very little reason to. I don't even see her as much of a tomboy at all, since despite Nintendo SAYING she has that, she hardly feels like one. She's just slightly more energetic and obnoxious when compared to Peach. Other than that, she's not very different.

So yeah, I do feel that Daisy is overrated. You don't have to be well known or feature prominently to be overrated, you just need to be talked up to be more than you actually are. Similarly, a character can be very underrated, even if they are well known (e.g. Sonic), if people are phasing out certain traits about them. In fact, Rosalina arguably fits that bill - a lot of people seem to think she was "just some random NPC that stood around in Mario Galaxy", ignoring her storybook, ignoring her powerful abilities, ignoring how she completely obliterated Bowser's fleet all by herself, etc, and a lot of people would put Daisy before Rosalina in "Smash priority" too, simply because Daisy has existed longer and would even say that Rosalina was likely to be nothing more than a Peach clone in Smash, while Daisy would have a unique moveset. Even though Daisy has done nothing to differentiate herself from Peach, while Rosalina has done a ton to distinguish herself.

 

[Shirma Akayaku]

Oh boy... This is a lot to read, even for me. I'll come back later and read it all in one go.

 

[ChikoLad]

Some new screenshots have come out, some of them being Rosalina focused. I don't have the raw screens but GameXplain put up a video of them:

Skip to 0:35....is that....a Giant Luma accompanying a regular sized Rosalina?!