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I can think of two characters besides Rosalina that outclass both of them.






Dabuz is literally the reason more people don't play Rosalina, lol, he's not a good reference for how she should be played, at least not if you thoroughly copy him.

I can also think of a few other relevant Rosalina mains.
LMAO he's not a good reference?
He's the best placing one
One of the only relevant ones on a national scale
If everyone but him knows how to play her thoroughly and properly then why haven't y'all been taking tournaments :^ )
 

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Hope things are back to normal, I had spend my time on Social thread talking about this, you can go check it out.

There is a mod criticize us for being a bit too seriously... don't know if this is the reason why we got raid.
 
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I hate thread raids. I wasn't around during the Zelda one but from what I can tell, it was bad. I don't see how anyone can get joy out of something so disruptive and disrespectful. I'm very disappointed to say the least at how the Lucario Social behaved. I even saw people calling it a "successful raid" and there were Zelda members applauding them smh. I'm not gonna attempt to respond to them directly since I doubt it'll go through to them if how rude they were to M&SG in the thread is anything to go by. I don't find attacking this thread and mocking us funny. It pains me to see threads interact this way. I want there to be peace here where we can communicate and have a good time. I enjoy talking about one of my favorite characters and I like you guys. But if anyone tries to interfere with that and attack any of us or us as a group, I will not tolerate it.
 

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I honestly just played along with the trolling and made some friendly jabs back.

But then they got serious with me about the whole thing and started trying to talk smack about competitive Rosalina because "lol Dabuz", and it was at this point that I realised I was dealing with legitimately sexually frustrated furries. I thought the Lucario lusting was at least partly sarcastic before that. So at that point I was about to just leave the thread be for a while until they got bored but then it was closed anyway.

It's not a successful raid if raiders get legit salty.

But yeah I notice that it's always the mains of characters with obviously bad MUs against Rosalina that do these raids. People like to talk about how the "Rosalina fanbase is so autistic", but honestly, the hatedom is far worse. I've seen many things on other sites that show that the Rosalina hatedom is either braindead, fun to laugh at, or just plain weird and gross. mariotehplumber is the perfect mascot for the Rosalina hatedom. What's worse, he even has a history of being a laughing stock of the Sonic fandom years ago. So the Rosalina hatedom is gonna be associated with the dark age of the Sonic fandom, which I find funny personally since I grew up with Sonic and saw the dark age of the fandom. :p

In the future, if raids happen, I will just spam pictures of Donald Duck or something.



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I honestly just played along with the trolling and made some friendly jabs back.

But then they got serious with me about the whole thing and started trying to talk smack about competitive Rosalina because "lol Dabuz", and it was at this point that I realised I was dealing with legitimately sexually frustrated furries. I thought the Lucario lusting was at least partly sarcastic before that. So at that point I was about to just leave the thread be for a while until they got bored but then it was closed anyway.

It's not a successful raid if raiders get legit salty.

But yeah I notice that it's always the mains of characters with obviously bad MUs against Rosalina that do these raids. People like to talk about how the "Rosalina fanbase is so autistic", but honestly, the hatedom is far worse. I've seen many things on other sites that show that the Rosalina hatedom is either braindead, fun to laugh at, or just plain weird and gross. mariotehplumber is the perfect mascot for the Rosalina hatedom. What's worse, he even has a history of being a laughing stock of the Sonic fandom years ago. So the Rosalina hatedom is gonna be associated with the dark age of the Sonic fandom, which I find funny personally since I grew up with Sonic and saw the dark age of the fandom. :p

In the future, if raids happen, I will just spam pictures of Donald Duck or something.

But then they got serious with me about the whole thing and started trying to talk smack about competitive Rosalina because "lol Dabuz", and it was at this point that I realised I was dealing with legitimately sexually frustrated furries. I thought the Lucario lusting was at least partly sarcastic before that. So at that point I was about to just leave the thread be for a while until they got bored but then it was closed anyway.
So did back in the Zelda, they were humorous I dare say, but Lucario raid was too serious, they say Rosa thread is getting too serious, I really big to differ... I think sometime the thread does become "boring" though...

It's not a successful raid if raiders get legit salty.
They think raiding other character's thread is FUN.

Even the Administrator had jump out and say that raiding at threads can't be tolerated.
But yeah I notice that it's always the mains of characters with obviously bad MUs against Rosalina that do these raids. People like to talk about how the "Rosalina fanbase is so autistic", but honestly, the hatedom is far worse. I've seen many things on other sites that show that the Rosalina hatedom is either braindead, fun to laugh at, or just plain weird and gross. mariotehplumber is the perfect mascot for the Rosalina hatedom. What's worse, he even has a history of being a laughing stock of the Sonic fandom years ago. So the Rosalina hatedom is gonna be associated with the dark age of the Sonic fandom, which I find funny personally since I grew up with Sonic and saw the dark age of the fandom. :p
Ironically, the reason why I dislike to fight against Lucario is because he is the character I had a hard time to deal with, even with Rosalina, I don't think that Lucario has that a bad MU against Rosalina.

Speaking of MTP, one of his new Youtube video did become slightly normal this time, except for a color faded Palutena amiibo... he and his buddies really thinks that Nintendo is encouraging porn... and if you ask if they hate anime or not, they do.

MTP is not only the mascot of Rosalina hatdom, even the mascot for Japanese anime culture hatedom.

Why Donald Duck? (Just curious)
 

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Raid was successful by every metric, swift and lethal takedown.

All of the furry posting was not serious, most of it was posted by the non furries. I would know as one myself :3

Rosalina beats almost everyone, so the losing mu point doesn't mean much. Luc does pretty OK in that matchup though.

I don't think anyone hates Rosa, I like her and would play her if she wasn't a blimp in game.
 

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Raid was successful by every metric, swift and lethal takedown.

All of the furry posting was not serious, most of it was posted by the non furries. I would know as one myself :3

Rosalina beats almost everyone, so the losing mu point doesn't mean much. Luc does pretty OK in that matchup though.

I don't think anyone hates Rosa, I like her and would play her if she wasn't a blimp in game.
I wasn't specifically talking about you or anyone, but there are a lot of people who hate Rosalina, in and out of Smash, and it pretty much only started when she got into Smash.

And if your goal in the raid was to get the topic closed down then I guess you did it, but M&SG is a mod so he's supposed to do that, and as a mod yourself, you should know he would do that (which would essentially mean he's better at his job of the two of you). Otherwise you really didn't get much of a reaction because I was literally the only Rosalina main here and I mostly just played along and talked smack.
 

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You can't be serious there. Please don't flood the Rosalina social thread with Lucario rubbish. It's bad enough that this thread had to deal with the Zelda users.
But Zelda >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Irrelevent Space Elsa

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
 

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But Zelda >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Irrelevent Space Elsa

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>Implying Zelda isn't completely irrelevant now.



Literally has no reason to exist, Link is his own superior princess now.

Also nice job still using an outdated terribad 4chan meme.
 

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The goal of the raid was to wreak havoc and for group bonding time. No one meant anything personal other than Kami but he was only on defense. Besides, we know how it is, everyone hates lucario for one reason or another, be it the bad game mechanics or the furryisms.

I dunno, Zelda's pretty relevant since she transforms into the best character in the game
 
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The goal of the raid was to wreak havoc and for group bonding time. No one meant anything personal other than Kami but he was only on defense. Besides, we know how it is, everyone hates lucario for one reason or another, be it the bad game mechanics or the furryisms.

I dunno, Zelda's pretty relevant since she transforms into the best character in the game
But now her down b uses irrelevant phantom.
Thats just gross.
I'll take the chubby star over trashy phantom
 

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The goal of the raid was to wreak havoc and for group bonding time. No one meant anything personal other than Kami but he was only on defense. Besides, we know how it is, everyone hates lucario for one reason or another, be it the bad game mechanics or the furryisms.

I dunno, Zelda's pretty relevant since she transforms into the best character in the game
I love your Lucario avatar, it's very cute!
 

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Raid was successful by every metric, swift and lethal takedown.

All of the furry posting was not serious, most of it was posted by the non furries. I would know as one myself :3

Rosalina beats almost everyone, so the losing mu point doesn't mean much. Luc does pretty OK in that matchup though.

I don't think anyone hates Rosa, I like her and would play her if she wasn't a blimp in game.
Mewtwo is an even bigger blimp when you think it over though. Of course, Mewtwo falls faster than Rosalina, but unlike Rosalina, Mewtwo is practically a glass cannon, since a lot of its raw power comes from its grabs and throws, which is hindered by a subpar grab range.

Rosalina may be light for her size, but at least she's a very diverse fighter. Mewtwo just doesn't have that kind of versatility, which is pretty bad for the second lightest fighter in the game.
 

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Well mewtwo is just bad in almost every way. Still cannot believe he was originally voted high tier by reddit zombies. From the beginning I knew he was bottom 10.
 

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The goal of the raid was to wreak havoc and for group bonding time. No one meant anything personal other than Kami but he was only on defense. Besides, we know how it is, everyone hates lucario for one reason or another, be it the bad game mechanics or the furryisms.

I dunno, Zelda's pretty relevant since she transforms into the best character in the game
I don't hate Lucario, I'm largely indifferent to him. I thought he was cool in SSE and I will likely use him a lot in Pokkén. His aura is also only an annoyance when I'm playing under lag in Smash 4, but in that case, I get annoyed with the lag.

I dunno, Zelda's pretty relevant since she transforms into the best character in the game
Current Tier-wise/results wise yes, actual raw potential ceiling wise going forward, no. I think Rosalina is the literal best in terms of how far she could be taken, but nobody wants to to try taking her further because they just wanna copy Dabuz, or they simply don't want to use her period or don't feel they can. The hatedom for the character in the Smash fanbase isn't encouraging either (she'll be hated even if people play her in a way that isn't just overly defensive and campy and slow). Rosalina even has a good MU against Sheik so she really doesn't have any big threats. I think Shulk is the only character she has to worry about in the long run, maybe Pac-Man if people actually make use of him properly (he's like Rosalina in that regard), and that's only with customs off. At the end of the day, Rosalina is two unique characters in one, which gives her access to an entire ball game of tactics no other character can utilise in a 1v1 setting. Plus Rosalina & Luma both have some really good properties alone anyway.

It's just a shame that the best character has such a subpar, non-innovative player base. Smash 4 player base is also incredibly boring in general, they seem to only care about playing as easy characters that are defined by rushdown.

And before anyone gives me any "WELL WHY AREN'T YOU WINNING TOURNAMENTS BRAWLER????" which I always get when talking about this, please remember that there is more to life than competitive Smash. I feel people always forget about this factor. Not everyone is privelged enough to be able to dedicate their whole life to a video game. I intend to enter Irish tournaments in the future, but you guys wouldn't hear about that even if I proved to do super well, and it would largely be ignored because I wasn't competing with American or Japanese players, which are the only ones most people seem to care about (and by that I don't mean the nationality of the people playing, I mean the scenes they are most prevalent in).

And like I said earlier, I could be recognised as the best Smash player in the world but if I mained Rosalina, I would be hated by the majority of the community. No point trying to make a name for myself if it's just gonna be a bad one. I'll just enter some tournaments within Ireland whenever I can and that will be it.

Also I know a lot of very talented Rosalina players who better use the potential of the character are in the same position as me.

Mewtwo lacks a combo throw as well as grab range.
Then again, Rosalina got the Meta Knight syndrome with her grab.
Mewtwo has pre-patch Meta Knight syndrome with a lot of his moves:


He really needs to be fixed. And I would like for Rosalina to have at least a very clear visual indicator for her grab range, it still really confuses me. Sometimes it catches people from a mile away, sometimes from close up, but sometimes neither works.
 

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Well mewtwo is just bad in almost every way. Still cannot believe he was originally voted high tier by reddit zombies. From the beginning I knew he was bottom 10.
Yeah if Mewtwo's weight and grab range didn't get nerfed so heavily, I probably would've used it more. Not that it really matters at this point though, since I'm been more adapted to Rosalina, even before Mewtwo was released to the public.

Sure, Rosalina's throws aren't as mighty as Mewtwo's, but they're still usable, and Rosalina can do much more than having to rely on her grab game to clean up the competition, thanks to the Luma, her decently fast smash attacks, and even some of her disjointed attacks, such as the up aerial.
 

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The main difference is that Rosa has an insane neutral game and mewtwo simply does not have one.

@sb- I dunno, sheik is pretty 20XX and Rosa has some randomly not so good matchups against people like ike who can body luma. Or falcon who can send luma into tumble whenever he wants with da or gentleman. Also I think dabuz is innovative, he just doesn't share anything because he wants all the tech to be kept secret so he can jank people with it for as long as possible and avoid Rosa nerfs or people learning how to deal with it ahead of time. Lucarios have our own character secrets as well.
 

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Hoo... is he? I mean in Kingdome Hearts.
Raid was successful by every metric, swift and lethal takedown.

All of the furry posting was not serious, most of it was posted by the non furries. I would know as one myself :3


Rosalina beats almost everyone, so the losing mu point doesn't mean much. Luc does pretty OK in that matchup though.

I don't think anyone hates Rosa, I like her and would play her if she wasn't a blimp in game.
Still, no more raid, thank you.
I wasn't specifically talking about you or anyone, but there are a lot of people who hate Rosalina, in and out of Smash, and it pretty much only started when she got into Smash.

And if your goal in the raid was to get the topic closed down then I guess you did it, but M&SG is a mod so he's supposed to do that, and as a mod yourself, you should know he would do that (which would essentially mean he's better at his job of the two of you). Otherwise you really didn't get much of a reaction because I was literally the only Rosalina main here and I mostly just played along and talked smack.
A raid that is lead by a mod, end up locking the thread and even got the administrator's attention... well play, Steam, well play...
I was asleep during the raid, woke up and saw the thread being locked...
I wouldn't even give a **** for those who hates her whole like MTP, hating for being OP though is understandable but just silly imo.
Current Tier-wise/results wise yes, actual raw potential ceiling wise going forward, no. I think Rosalina is the literal best in terms of how far she could be taken, but nobody wants to to try taking her further because they just wanna copy Dabuz, or they simply don't want to use her period or don't feel they can. The hatedom for the character in the Smash fanbase isn't encouraging either (she'll be hated even if people play her in a way that isn't just overly defensive and campy and slow). Rosalina even has a good MU against Sheik so she really doesn't have any big threats. I think Shulk is the only character she has to worry about in the long run, maybe Pac-Man if people actually make use of him properly (he's like Rosalina in that regard), and that's only with customs off. At the end of the day, Rosalina is two unique characters in one, which gives her access to an entire ball game of tactics no other character can utilise in a 1v1 setting. Plus Rosalina & Luma both have some really good properties alone anyway.
I actually still think that Shiek has slightly upper hand when against Rosalina... Shulk does have potential with his monado arts. Glad I mained Shulk too.
 
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The main difference is that Rosa has an insane neutral game and mewtwo simply does not have one.

@sb- I dunno, sheik is pretty 20XX and Rosa has some randomly not so good matchups against people like ike who can body luma. Or falcon who can send luma into tumble whenever he wants with da or gentleman. Also I think dabuz is innovative, he just doesn't share anything because he wants all the tech to be kept secret so he can jank people with it for as long as possible and avoid Rosa nerfs or people learning how to deal with it ahead of time. Lucarios have our own character secrets as well.
Ike and Captain Falcon are fine when you know how to deal with them. Falcon in particular does terribly against Rosalina because he is the perfect weight for all of her combos. Not to mention how easily gimped he is by her when knocked off stage. Falcon also can't go full aggro against Rosalina if you play her properly, and Falcon is only worth anything when he can do so.

And if a Rosalina player is having Luma being wrecked a lot and can't handle things when Luma is gone, then they just aren't playing well.

Dabuz was innovative at first but I think he is losing his touch because he sticks to a defensive playstyle most of the time, rather than switching things up based on the situation. Whether or not that is intentional is up for debate.

I honestly don't think Rosalina will see any big nerfs anyway. I still maintain that the 1.0.4 patch was less a nerf and more a retooling. She's harder to use after it, but she has more potential.
 
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Mewtwo has pre-patch Meta Knight syndrome with a lot of his moves:


He really needs to be fixed. And I would like for Rosalina to have at least a very clear visual indicator for her grab range, it still really confuses me. Sometimes it catches people from a mile away, sometimes from close up, but sometimes neither works.
As a Mewtwo main, I gotta agree. Some retooling is in order. There is of course potential as it is now, but it would be better to reduce the disadvantages.
 

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Mewtwo is one of my mains too. I think he would do relatively fine if they just fixed his glaring hitbox issues.
 

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Yeah if Mewtwo's weight and grab range didn't get nerfed so heavily, I probably would've used it more. Not that it really matters at this point though, since I'm been more adapted to Rosalina, even before Mewtwo was released to the public.

Sure, Rosalina's throws aren't as mighty as Mewtwo's, but they're still usable, and Rosalina can do much more than having to rely on her grab game to clean up the competition, thanks to the Luma, her decently fast smash attacks, and even some of her disjointed attacks, such as the up aerial.
Unless something changed from the last time I faced a Mewtwo, he hasn't a stronger grab than her, aside from his FThwow dealing 13% in contrast to her 11% BThrow, tied with Ganondorf's FThrow, among others, for being the most damaging throw inconditioned by stuff like aura, pikmins or monado arts, behind Dedede's BThrow and Ryu's UThrow, and him having a kill throw much less occasional than her BThrow by a long shot, simply because it's stronger.
I say that because, for what I've experienced, he can't follow-up with his DThrow, as long as one DIes away, and while Rosalina lacks a kill throw, she can follow-up from any of her throws, and even kill from them in case of the DThrow, unless they DI away, in that case, it can be followed by a Fair, wich, with the help of the auto-link angle, subtracts a significant portion of the stage from the enemy at kill percentage, and UThrow, that means, one either goes above her or loses a big chunk of the stage whenever grabbed, as far as I know you can't tell the same for Mewtwo.
That is, unless you meant sheer power when describing throw strenght.
 
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Unless something changed from the last time I faced a Mewtwo, he hasn't a stronger grab than her, aside from his FThwow dealing 13% in contrast to her 11% BThrow, tied with Ganondorf's FThrow, among others, for being the most damaging throw inconditioned by stuff like aura, pikmins or monado arts, behind Dedede's BThrow and Ryu's UThrow, and him having a kill throw much less occasional than her BThrow by a long shot, simply because it's stronger.
I say that because, for what I've experienced, he can't follow-up with his DThrow, as long as one DIes away, and while Rosalina lacks a kill throw, she can follow-up from any of her throws, and even kill from them in case of the DThrow, unless they DI away, in that case, it can be followed by a Fair, wich, with the help of the auto-link angle, subtracts a significant portion of the stage from the enemy at kill percentage, and UThrow, that means, one either goes above her or loses a big chunk of the stage whenever grabbed, as far as I know you can't tell the same for Mewtwo.
That is, unless you meant sheer power when describing throw strenght.
I think he just meant the KO power of the throws. It's Mewtwo's only real strength, his Up Throw is obviously the signature one, and back throw isn't too shabby.

Rosalina I've found can use her Back Throw as a KO throw on lighter characters (like Mewtwo himself, or even another Rosalina), but it doesn't KO early enough on anyone who's middleweight or above.
 

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Unless something changed from the last time I faced a Mewtwo, he hasn't a stronger grab than her, aside from his FThwow dealing 13% in contrast to her 11% BThrow, tied with Ganondorf's FThrow, among others, for being the most damaging throw inconditioned by stuff like aura, pikmins or monado arts, behind Dedede's BThrow and Ryu's UThrow, and him having a kill throw much less occasional than her BThrow by a long shot, simply because it's stronger.
I say that because, for what I've experienced, he can't follow-up with his DThrow, as long as one DIes away, and while Rosalina lacks a kill throw, she can follow-up from any of her throws, and even kill from them in case of the DThrow, unless they DI away, in that case, it can be followed by a Fair, wich, with the help of the auto-link angle, subtracts a significant portion of the stage from the enemy at kill percentage, and UThrow, that means, one either goes above her or loses a big chunk of the stage whenever grabbed, as far as I know you can't tell the same for Mewtwo.
That is, unless you meant sheer power when describing throw strenght.
I more meant the knockback of their throws alone, ignoring the follow-ups.
 

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I think he just meant the KO power of the throws. It's Mewtwo's only real strength, his Up Throw is obviously the signature one, and back throw isn't too shabby.

Rosalina I've found can use her Back Throw as a KO throw on lighter characters (like Mewtwo himself, or even another Rosalina), but it doesn't KO early enough on anyone who's middleweight or above.
Her backthrow isn't that powerful, but characters like Mario, Ness, and Villager have strong backthrows. Which Rosalina have to beware of.
Ike and Captain Falcon are fine when you know how to deal with them. Falcon in particular does terribly against Rosalina because he is the perfect weight for all of her combos. Not to mention how easily gimped he is by her when knocked off stage. Falcon also can't go full aggro against Rosalina if you play her properly, and Falcon is only worth anything when he can do so.

And if a Rosalina player is having Luma being wrecked a lot and can't handle things when Luma is gone, then they just aren't playing well.

Dabuz was innovative at first but I think he is losing his touch because he sticks to a defensive playstyle most of the time, rather than switching things up based on the situation. Whether or not that is intentional is up for debate.

I honestly don't think Rosalina will see any big nerfs anyway. I still maintain that the 1.0.4 patch was less a nerf and more a retooling. She's harder to use after it, but she has more potential.
One of a thing that bothers me against Captain Falcom is his grab, I always found my self of getting grabbed easily, glad that they remove his dash grab can slid off the stage after patch 1.0.8.

I bet he is starting to lose a bit of innovation, how can you be intentional even in tournaments? And Dabuz seems starting to try other characters as well. I'm sure he'll find his innovation back one day.

Like you said, we all shouldn't just copy Dabuz's defensive tactics, we should try to make more mix ups when using Rosalina. But because of this, Rosalina is a hard character to get good with, and arguably one of the most OP character? That's just a bit weird I should say...
 

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I just want to say, I'm ready for the next Zelda & Lucario raid
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How stupid they look, inferior aren't they?
 

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Assuming you're THAT 8bitman, good luck at Paragon!

If you're not, then forgive me for my insolence.
No, I'm not. The other guy is @8Bitman Although we do coincidentally main R.O.B.

I live in Australia and prefer to play in a less serious manner (items, stages with neat gimmicks and nice variety)
 

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I just want to say, I'm ready for the next Zelda & Lucario raid
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How stupid they look, inferior aren't they?


This is the face Rosalina makes in the same "animation state" those pictures portray.

It's my favourite thing in this game.

Actually I have two similar photos of Rosalina and Zelda that I find funny:




Zelda and WFT are bumpin' butts, and Rosalina and WFT are majestic dolphins. :p
 
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Please don't try to get another raid started. They're actually considered as spam when you think it over.
Sorry, if you want, you can delete the post if it would make things better

(I was honestly just looking for an excuse to share those pics :p)
 

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Sorry, if you want, you can delete the post if it would make things better

(I was honestly just looking for an excuse to share those pics :p)
The images weren't so much the problem, but more the way you've responded to them.

Anyway, it's pretty amusing how Peach and Rosalina don't have any visible teeth, while the other females do. Strangely, Peach's Melee model actually did have teeth present.
 
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