Social Mother of the Cosmos: Rosalina [General/Social] Thread (Closed)

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Everyone thought so. I didn't know until Nairo did it on his stream yesterday. Only thought it worked everywhere else.

Yeah, Zero Suit Samus was an odd character in Brawl, since her transformation system was much different from what Zelda, Sheik, and the Pokemon Trainer had.

 

[Killo89]

Did you atleast watch gameplay of her to get a good feel of her? Like every non Street Fighter fan did with Ryu or I did with Pit. Usually helps depending on the situation.

Yeah, I don't watch a lot of gameplay though. But when I do, it's pretty much every characters (well, especially the ones I can't beat easily (#i8u), ZSS and Rosalina).

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Yeah, Zero Suit Samus was an odd character in Brawl, since her transformation system was much different from what Zelda, Sheik, and the Pokemon Trainer had.

To bad the 3DS was responsible for Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Red getting cut. ZSS, Shiek, and Charizard got lucky.

Yeah, I don't watch a lot of gameplay though. But when I do, it's pretty much every characters (well, especially the ones I can't beat easily (#i8u), ZSS and Rosalina).

Roy may be hard to beat, but he'll always be your boy.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

To bad the 3DS was responsible for Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Red getting cut. ZSS, Shiek, and Charizard got lucky.

The Ice Climbers also got the boot, due to Smash 3DS not being able to handle their mechanics. Of course, another reason was likely because they just weren't important enough to keep around, and Duck Hunt pretty much took over as a retro character rep.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

The Ice Climbers also got the boot, due to Smash 3DS not being able to handle their mechanics. Of course, another reason was likely because they just weren't important enough to keep around, and Duck Hunt pretty much took over as a retro character rep.

Forgot about Ice Climbers, and it's ironic how Duck Hunt was the first newcomer to be thought of and created, but the last no dlc newcomer to get a trailer.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Another notable problem that lead to the removal of the Ice Climbers is 8-Player Smash, where you'd end up seeing as many as 16 fighters present at the same time if they were ever implemented. The hardware would've have a very hard time handling them, the Poke Ball Pokemon, AND the Assist Trophies at the same time.

 

[Tino]

Another notable problem that lead to the removal of the Ice Climbers is 8-Player Smash, where you'd end up seeing as many as 16 fighters present at the same time if they were ever implemented. The hardware would've have a very hard time handling them, the Poke Ball Pokemon, AND the Assist Trophies at the same time.

I thought Sakurai said the Ice Climbers worked just fine on the Wii U version?

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I thought Sakurai said the Ice Climbers worked just fine on the Wii U version?

Wasn't this before 8-Player Smash got implemented?

 

[Tino]

Wasn't this before 8-Player Smash got implemented?

I'm not really sure other than them not having any problems on the Wii U version before the 3DS version ****ed them up.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Wasn't this before 8-Player Smash got implemented?

After it was implemented. Like Tino said, 3DS f***ed it up for the Wii U.

 

[TheBeardedPunisher]

The Ice Climbers also got the boot, due to Smash 3DS not being able to handle their mechanics. Of course, another reason was likely because they just weren't important enough to keep around, and Duck Hunt pretty much took over as a retro character rep.

Another notable problem that lead to the removal of the Ice Climbers is 8-Player Smash, where you'd end up seeing as many as 16 fighters present at the same time if they were ever implemented. The hardware would've have a very hard time handling them, the Poke Ball Pokemon, AND the Assist Trophies at the same time.

-_-

First off, I think it was a terrible idea to exclude ICies on both versions just to compensate for vastly inferior hardware. Second, no character ever gets replaced by another character. I just don't see any sense made when people consider Rosalina/Duck Hunt as "replacements" to the Ice Climbers just because they happen to be duos. Third, I'm bothered that Sakurai considered them a low priority because of their franchise rather than the character which people had an attachment to since they're two time veterans. Fourth: They. Worked. Fine. On. The. Wii. U. There is no solid proof that the Ice Climbers would not be compatible with 8PS. The only speculation by people is some removed assets in stages in 8PS versions as well as simplified joint and bone structures in the characters. But that's just speculation. The whole 8-Player Smash thing is nothing more than a rumor since Sakurai stated they were up and running on the Wii U. But people stopped believing this because it was announced before 8PS was announced. Which I find ridiculous because at some point maybe in Alpha stages the ICies should've been tested in 8PS at some point since it is a major battle mode in the game. Besides, there are alternatives to make them work in both versions such as simplifying their duo mechanic or making them go solo with different moves which I'm open to as a last resort (or Wii U exclusive, I'm just saying). Until I'm given more reasons from Sakurai himself on why ICies couldn't get in, I will continue to support the Ice Climbers as DLC. But it pains me to know that so many people already gave up on them just because of these old fixable issues. Ice Climbers forever!

 

[TMNTSSB4]

-_-

First off, I think it was a terrible idea to exclude ICies on both versions just to compensate for vastly inferior hardware. Second, no character ever gets replaced by another character. I just don't see any sense made when people consider Rosalina/Duck Hunt as "replacements" to the Ice Climbers just because they happen to be duos. Third, I'm bothered that Sakurai considered them a low priority because of their franchise rather than the character which people had an attachment to since they're two time veterans. Fourth: They. Worked. Fine. On. The. Wii. U. There is no solid proof that the Ice Climbers would not be compatible with 8PS. The only speculation by people is some removed assets in stages in 8PS versions as well as simplified joint and bone structures in the characters. But that's just speculation. The whole 8-Player Smash thing is nothing more than a rumor since Sakurai stated they were up and running on the Wii U. But people stopped believing this because it was announced before 8PS was announced. Which I find ridiculous because at some point maybe in Alpha stages the ICies should've been tested in 8PS at some point since it is a major battle mode in the game. Besides, there are alternatives to make them work in both versions such as simplifying their duo mechanic or making them go solo with different moves which I'm open to as a last resort (or Wii U exclusive, I'm just saying). Until I'm given more reasons from Sakurai himself on why ICies couldn't get in, I will continue to support the Ice Climbers as DLC. But it pains me to know that so many people already gave up on them just because of these old fixable issues. Ice Climbers forever!

So if someone like Viridi gets in over Ice Climbers, you'd be mad? When I say this, I mean IC weren't in the too 5 most earned charecters.

 

[Killo89]

There's one thing I don't understand. Sakurai said the 3DS had big problems with having two characters in one, that's mainly why Samus/ZSS and Zelda/Sheik were separated, and that's why Ice Climbers were cut. But that means Luma isn't consider a character? That means it's just a moving hitbox attached to Rosalina with a special attribute of being beaten?
I never saw a clear explaination on that.

 

[TheBeardedPunisher]

So if someone like Viridi gets in over Ice Climbers, you'd be mad? When I say this, I mean IC weren't in the too 5 most earned charecters.

I'm not bothered by other characters getting in, as there are other characters I support. I'm just bothered that people are so demotivated to consider showing much support for ICies especially if they would've otherwise been more open to them if a universal solution was known. I just fear that the controversial issues they had will be dissuasive.

There's one thing I don't understand. Sakurai said the 3DS had big problems with having two characters in one, that's mainly why Samus/ZSS and Zelda/Sheik were separated, and that's why Ice Climbers were cut. But that means Luma isn't consider a character? That means it's just a moving hitbox attached to Rosalina with a special attribute of being beaten?
I never see a clear explaination on that.

Luma technically is a character, but more like a puppeted NPC. It doesn't have the same properties as other characters with simplified attacks, no specials, can't tech, can't recover, can't shield, and has very dependant AI. Plus a much smaller, less complex model. Both Ice Climbers are just like any character individually, and are essentially model alts of the same character. Transformation characters were complex based on the mechanic alone. Transforming forces the game to swap out your character, pull out the other one in its files, and bring that one out to the battlefield. That's my interpretation as I'm still looking into the transformation properties in past games. Also, in Melee, both Ice Climbers were under the same files as Brawl had them in separate files. I'm guessing the same went for Zelda and Sheik because it takes much longer for her to transform in Brawl. And since Sakurai stated the difficulty of porting Melee data was hard because it was so old, that could mean Sakurai may not have attempted to use their Melee files and update them, so he attempted to only use the two separate Brawl files to add both Ice Climbers for example, into the next game. I plan to find more precise sources to find out if this was potentially one contribution to the difficulty of ICies and transformations working properly on the 3DS during the initial development cycle.

 

[ChikoLad]

Wasn't this before 8-Player Smash got implemented?

He said that before 8-Player Smash was announced, but 8-Player Smash would have been implemented sooner rather than later. It was part of the original planning documents for the game (the same document I posted an excerpt from here a while ago, where Rosalina & Luma were the first new character in the document).

A lot of fans just assume the Wii U could not handle 8-Player Ice Climbers, but there has been no evidence of this being true.

 

[Tino]

I wish I was french. Always enjoyed the accent.
Same could be said about ZeRo, always changing to the next best character whenever he gets the chance. Brawl with Meta Knight, Project M with Pit and Sm4sh with Diddy, Sheik, and Falcon.

That's cuz that fool relies heavily on tiers to win tournaments, which is really getting boring like literally.

 

[ChikoLad]

Ironically, ZeRo uses Falcon so he can say "SEE GUYS I DON'T ONLY MAIN TOP TIERS".

Like, he literally said that.

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>When Bowser thinks he can get away with trying to take over the universe with his airship fleet
>When people think their character can keep Rosalina "in check" in Smash
>When people say Rosalina is "Nintendo's Lightning"
>When people think Rosalina needs Luma to do anything worthwhile in Smash
>When mariotehplumber thinks he can stop Rosalina from showing up in stuff
>When people think Rosalina isn't worth talking about in the "Who's Canonically The Strongest Character in Smash?" thread, or write bad fanfic level reasons as to why a character would be able to beat her

 

[TMNTSSB4]

That's cuz that fool relies heavily on tiers to win tournaments, which is really getting boring like literally.

He's the reason Melee fans hate on Sm4sh, and others copy him. Melee players do the same thing, but atleast they actually ike the character.

Ironically, ZeRo uses Falcon so he can say "SEE GUYS I DON'T ONLY MAIN TOP TIERS".

Like, he literally said that.

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>When Bowser thinks he can get away with trying to take over the universe with his airship fleet
>When people think their character can keep Rosalina "in check" in Smash
>When people say Rosalina is "Nintendo's Lightning"
>When people think Rosalina needs Luma to do anything worthwhile in Smash
>When mariotehplumber thinks he can stop Rosalina from showing up in stuff
>When people think Rosalina isn't worth talking about in the "Who's Canonically The Strongest Character in Smash?" thread, or write bad fanfic level reasons as to why a character would be able to beat her

I remember when everyone said Rosalina would be the worst character ever and Little Mac was op, here we are now.

 

[ChikoLad]

I remember when Shokio said Rosalina looked OP as soon as he saw her trailer and was asking for her to be "nerfed" there and then.

I personally don't think Rosalina is OP. If she was any easier to use though, I would consider her OP. Luckily, she has a very high skill floor if you actually want to dominate so many match ups with her, which is why I think she hasn't and won't be hit by any nerfs beyond the small tweaks she's seen so far (and hey, she's seen quite a few buffs too).

He's the reason Melee fans hate on Sm4sh, and others copy him. Melee players do the same thing, but atleast they actually ike the character.

I don't think you can definitely say all Melee fans main a character because they like them.

Though I do find it disappointing that ZeRo doesn't main characters because he likes them, and is basically a tier *****. For as much as I criticise Dabuz's playstyle with Rosalina and say people shouldn't try to follow in his footsteps so religiously, I can at least respect him for maining Rosalina out of what I think is a genuine interest in the character. I remember when I still hung out in the Rosalina Skype Group, Dabuz said he was considering dropping Rosalina soon after the 1.0.4 patch, in favour of Olimar. I'm glad he decided to not drop her, and instead, main both characters.

 

[Tino]

I remember when everyone said Rosalina would be the worst character ever and Little Mac was op, here we are now.

I am a proud Little Mac and Rosalina main here.

 

[ChikoLad]

I am a proud Little Mac and Rosalina main here.

Little Mac looks adorable compared to Rosalina.

I'm not sure whether to say he is tiny or that she is huge.

 

[mario123007]

He's the reason Melee fans hate on Sm4sh, and others copy him. Melee players do the same thing, but atleast they actually ike the character.

I remember when everyone said Rosalina would be the worst character ever and Little Mac was op, here we are now.

I remember my brother use Little Mac and to one of our city's local 3DS gathering when Smash 3DS came out in Japan, and he seems to dominate every match... thanks to my brother, I bet everyone who had played Smash 3DS at that time might think Little Mac is OP.

 

[shrooby]

I'm not sure whether to say he is tiny or that she is huge.

Yes

 

[Tino]

Little Mac looks adorable compared to Rosalina.

I'm not sure whether to say he is tiny or that she is huge.

How about both...minus the adorable part?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I am a proud Little Mac and Rosalina main here.

Sub Max and Main Rosie, but yeah still good memories.

I remember my brother use Little Mac and to one of our city's local 3DS gathering when Smash 3DS came out in Japan, and he seems to dominate every match... thanks to my brother, I bet everyone who had played Smash 3DS at that time might think Little Mac is OP.

Followers at there finest

I don't think you can definitely say all Melee fans main a character because they like them.

Though I do find it disappointing that ZeRo doesn't main characters because he likes them, and is basically a tier *****. For as much as I criticise Dabuz's playstyle with Rosalina and say people shouldn't try to follow in his footsteps so religiously, I can at least respect him for maining Rosalina out of what I think is a genuine interest in the character. I remember when I still hung out in the Rosalina Skype Group, Dabuz said he was considering dropping Rosalina soon after the 1.0.4 patch, in favour of Olimar. I'm glad he decided to not drop her, and instead, main both characters.

I meant they play top tiers because they like them, as in before there were even tier list or tournaments made for them. HBOX for example, has stuck with Jigglypuff in every game, and Melee was his best Jigglypuff. I have how Dabuz plays Rosalina, but atleast he's not a tier wh**r. ZeRo needs to stop being one and actually try to get good at Smash on his own, without going after the best. He wins a tourney with Ganondorf and doesn't lose a single stock, I'll take everything I've said about him back.

 

[mario123007]

Followers at there finest

I don't get what does this mean...

 

[Tino]

I don't get what does this mean...

It means everyone agreed that Little Mac was OP that they decided to pick him up.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

I don't get what does this mean...

It means everyone agreed that Little Mac was OP that they decided to pick him up.

Exactly what Tino said, but it's way worse now than before.
Melee:
Brawl:
Project M:
Sm4sh:(laugh and cans)
There's a tier wh**e in every game, playing these characters, every single time. It's 2015, people should be listening to their guts or who they think would be awesome.
(without customs)(also without customs)they all need their time in the spotlight. Enough of , stop thinking is better than because ow the edge, and enough with being hated on due to Dabuz being overly defensive with her. Hopefully since actually good players are rising, others like can put an end to all this tier wh**ring and following crap.

 

[TheBeardedPunisher]

I am a proud Little Mac and Rosalina main here.

If only I could use my amiibos to recreate this. If only I had a Little Mac.

Yes

Yes

 

[ChikoLad]

If there's one thing I'm happy about, it's how Rosalina is top tier, but at the same time, is an underdog.

Everyone agrees she's probably the best character in the game, but because of the very specialised mindset required to play her effectively, she doesn't see nearly as much use as comparatively easy characters like Sheik and pre-patch Diddy. She gets hate, yes, but it's not nearly as justified, as it's not like Rosalina is winning every second tournament, since there simply isn't enough people playing her for that to happen. And then there is the fact that many Rosalina players refuse to innovate and just play her defensively all of the time, and that shoots those players in the foot against certain characters. A lot of match ups like Sheik, ZSS, Link, and maybe even Meta Knight, would be much easier on Rosalina players if they just played differently. Heck, even ZeRo admits that Rosalina wins the Sheik and ZSS MUs. Not that his opinion is end all be all (he benefits from meta stagnation anyway), but it isn't rocket science to figure out how Rosalina wins those MUs.

 

[mario123007]

If there's one thing I'm happy about, it's how Rosalina is top tier, but at the same time, is an underdog.

Everyone agrees she's probably the best character in the game, but because of the very specialised mindset required to play her effectively, she doesn't see nearly as much use as comparatively easy characters like Sheik and pre-patch Diddy. She gets hate, yes, but it's not nearly as justified, as it's not like Rosalina is winning every second tournament, since there simply isn't enough people playing her for that to happen. And then there is the fact that many Rosalina players refuse to innovate and just play her defensively all of the time, and that shoots those players in the foot against certain characters. A lot of match ups like Sheik, ZSS, Link, and maybe even Meta Knight, would be much easier on Rosalina players if they just played differently. Heck, even ZeRo admits that Rosalina wins the Sheik and ZSS MUs. Not that his opinion is end all be all (he benefits from meta stagnation anyway), but it isn't rocket science to figure out how Rosalina wins those MUs.

Yes, it's always happy to see your favorite characters, mains being top tier, but also gets annoyed if found out she gets hate. Since we haven't seen Rosalina win big tournaments a lot.

So far I don't say I am very skilled using Rosalina, but I often win matches with my brother's mains that I can't beat with my other mains, ex: I found myself hard to beat my brother's true main Marth with my Mario. But after I switch to Rosalina, I pressured my brother a lot, even though I still lose sometimes, I found Rosalina really awesome to use.

However, I think any character can be great if you played it well. Rosalina does indeed have chance to beat ZSS and Sheik if played in a different way, and do some research on her skill and advance techs.

I haven't heard that he admits that Rosalina wins Sheik and ZSS MUs, where did he said that?

 

[ChikoLad]

Yes, it's always happy to see your favorite characters, mains being top tier, but also gets annoyed if found out she gets hate. Since we haven't seen Rosalina win big tournaments a lot.

So far I don't say I am very skilled using Rosalina, but I often win matches with my brother's mains that I can't beat with my other mains, ex: I found myself hard to beat my brother's true main Marth with my Mario. But after I switch to Rosalina, I pressured my brother a lot, even though I still lose sometimes, I found Rosalina really awesome to use.

However, I think any character can be great if you played it well. Rosalina does indeed have chance to beat ZSS and Sheik if played in a different way, and do some research on her skill and advance techs.

I haven't heard that he admits that Rosalina wins Sheik and ZSS MUs, where did he said that?

I know he mentioned it in his tier list video, at least for Sheik.

I love seeing For Glory players counterpick my Rosalina with Sheik or ZSS, and then I two stock them. Even the good players.

If only I could use my amiibos to recreate this. If only I had a Little Mac.

Yes

Not my usual camera quality but it's a bit late to be whipping out the proper camera.

 

[mario123007]

I know he mentioned it in his tier list video, at least for Sheik.

I love seeing For Glory players counterpick my Rosalina with Sheik or ZSS, and then I two stock them. Even the good players.



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Not my usual camera quality but it's a bit late to be whipping out the proper camera.

I might check that out.
Really? I bet they weren't that good, were they?

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Little Mac looks adorable compared to Rosalina.

I'm not sure whether to say he is tiny or that she is huge.

If you asked me, adorable really isn't the right word to describe Little Mac. Maybe more on the cool side?

 

[ChikoLad]

God damn I almost wanna boot this game up again just to barely steal races while looking sexy as hell.

Seriously, Rosalina owns that outfit. I should do another photoset of her biker outfit.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I often get quite tired of seeing players heavily abuse the Slick and Cyber Slick tires' whenever I race online. I've been in some rooms where more than half of the players were using the Slick or Cyber Slick.

On a side note, the other day, I've seen a few players use the Monster tires, which is usually a very rare sight to see online.

 

[TheBeardedPunisher]

God damn I almost wanna boot this game up again just to barely steal races while looking sexy as hell.

Seriously, Rosalina owns that outfit. I should do another photoset of her biker outfit.

Zippo looks happy to have Rosalina be the last thing he sees.
Rosalina: Who's your goddess now?
Zippo: Rosalina I love yoooooooouuuuuuuu *crash*

 

[Tino]

I know he mentioned it in his tier list video, at least for Sheik.

I love seeing For Glory players counterpick my Rosalina with Sheik or ZSS, and then I two stock them. Even the good players.



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Not my usual camera quality but it's a bit late to be whipping out the proper camera.

I wish I had a Little Mac amiibo right now. Did they even restocked him here in the U.S.?

 

[mario123007]

I often get quite tired of seeing players heavily abuse the Slick and Cyber Slick tires' whenever I race online. I've been in some rooms where more than half of the players were using the Slick or Cyber Slick.

On a side note, the other day, I've seen a few players use the Monster tires, which is usually a very rare sight to see online.

Monster tires aren't that good, are they?

I wish I had a Little Mac amiibo right now. Did they even restocked him here in the U.S.?

Perhaps you can buy Japan imports?

 

[Tali vas Normandy]

If only I could replace all the dealers on the streets with this guy.

RE4 cosplay if you haven't noticed :D