Monster Mafia - Game Over

[Mediocre]

Medi, i'm finna be V/LA tomorrow. I dunno if I'm due up for a prod anytime soon, but...yeah.

By posting this right now, you've made yourself prod-free up until 11:59 PM EST on November 3. If you have a good reason, even longer absences are okay. I'll still prod you, but it won't actually matter.

So you're totally fine.

 

[KevinM]

Cacti where you at.

Marshy will just come in say ____ isn't dead yet and disappear again anyways, but you haven't said a word and you're active in all the other games I'm in with you.

 

[Matunas]

This is one of the slower starts I've seen to a game lately and I'm wondering what we can do to get things moving. I'm one of those people who doesn't really care for the RVS but I do understand its usefullness. Since we pretty much skipped it we need to get the game rolling in a different way. I'm going to take the Marshy approach and ask some questions:

Junglefever - What are your feelings on an early name or roleclaim?

Gheb_01 - What are your feelings on lynching inactives D1? Do we gain any info?

Rockin - Medi stated he made the game around not revealing spoilers. So do you really feel knowing spoilers will help with the game?

Ignatius - Where ya been buddy?

Omni - Since we pretty muched skipped the bulk of the RVS how do you think we should get the day rolling?

Macman - What do you think is the most important post of the game so far, assuming there is one at all?

Cacti - Since you never answered - How many scumbuddies ya have?

BunBun - What was it about SWF mafia that made you want to play here?

mentosman8 - I'd also like know your opinion of an early name or roleclaim.

KevinM - What about gheb that always makes him seem scummy?

Marshy - Same question you asked Iggy - Do you care for policy lynches? Is there anyone in this game you'd be interested in policy lynching?

 

[KevinM]

He just plays anti-town whether he realizes it or not. A lot of his posts seem to eventually contradict each other and he doesn't have a firm knowledge of game theory yet so a lot of his ideas are awful and as such throw me off.

 

[Mediocre]

Iggy has informed me that his absence is due to contracting H1N1.

 

[Rockin]

Not really a issue, it'll just discourage flavor hunting. I mean, I know we could just put the spoilers out

Spoiler

like this

, but what good would it do if that player doesn't want to get spoiled? It just seems I can't bring any big things to the table without either accidently spoiling it for them or them not looking cause they don't want to be spoiled. It might make putting nameclaims and other character related things a bit harder.

If anything, I can tolorate it. Again, it's not that big of a deal since I can still scumhunt at least.

 

[Mediocre]

Not really a issue, it'll just discourage flavor hunting. I mean, I know we could just put the spoilers out

Spoiler

like this

, but what good would it do if that player doesn't want to get spoiled? It just seems I can't bring any big things to the table without either accidently spoiling it for them or them not looking cause they don't want to be spoiled. It might make putting nameclaims and other character related things a bit harder.

If anything, I can tolorate it. Again, it's not that big of a deal since I can still scumhunt at least.

Let me make it clear.

Basic facts about the character are not considered spoilers for this game. What side they're on, what their job is, and how this might relate to their abilities or powers.

For example, if this was LOST mafia, you could absolutely tell us that "Jack is a doctor. He's probably the town doctor in this game, too."

What is not allowed (without spoiler tags) is discussion of the ultimate fate of any of the characters, the particular events they go through, or the ending of the manga.

For example, (and this is a madeup, bull**** spoiler) you could not say, "In season 2, Jack tries to save Charlie's life but he fails. This means his doctor protection won't work on Charlie."

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Gheb_01 - What are your feelings on lynching inactives D1? Do we gain any info?

It's usually not necessary because we have replacements. If it ever happens: I don't think we gain info. It's more that we prevent WIFOM situations for D2 because inactive players are more or less tools for scum. Scum can either (a) advocate a lynch for an inactive to buy themselves time or (b) just ignore him alltogether to leave town a huge burden (-1 vote etc). Personally, I don't think that inactives should be lynched for being inactive. If we ever find ourselves in such a situation we should do it D1. Doing it any time later is really stupid.

 

[Cacti]

I'm not allowed to say how many scumbuddies I have, it's against my role

About the spoilers thing, then if this game has no need for using spoilers, maybe all the roles are randomized to characters or something. A doctor character could be a vigilante, etc.

 

[Omni]

Omni - Since we pretty muched skipped the bulk of the RVS how do you think we should get the day rolling?

If I knew that I would have offered that suggestion or idea by now.

I just realized that most games start off with some random person making a completely stupid or idiotic play. If it's not that then two people usually get into a tussle and everyone just watches until its over. At that point they begin to make comments.

I'd like to start a Cacti bandwagon since he's only popping in to answer questions and not attempt to start any kind of debate at all. If this process continues, I'm totally fine with just lynching inactives (without justified reasons for being inactive).

 

[Cacti]

@Omni, I haven't been really paying attention to this game much... Mostly checking on it a little and playing Pheonix Wright Mafia more.

Nope. Not a scumbag.

Curious question. What would my nickname be in a scummy way? I only ask cause Junglefever gots 'scumfever,' and well...'scummin' doesn't seem catchy. XD

In a time when people are trying to get us out of RVS by being aggressive (you can see what KevinM is doing, and Macman's accusing of Gheb), Rockin brings up a joke.

I usually just let nature take its course.

Now tell me...what the hell is Monster about? I'm very new to this.

The first thing he says could be him trying to give a reason to cruise through day one and watch other people debate. Also, he starts a whole other debate on flavor that has been derailing us. I personally think that there is a good chance that the character's roles will have nothing to do with what they are like in Monster.

Rockin is trying to keep us in RVS as long as he can to keep D1 unproductive.

All aboard the Rockin wagon!

Vote: Rockin

 

[mentosman8]

To respond to Matunas' question, I don't like the idea of an early name/roleclaim at all. I have seen several games here in which scum were given safe-claims, and I feel like it is putting unnecessary risk when there is potentially little room for benefit. This early in the game is when it's the biggest differential in potential risk to reward. As it gets later, the risk is lessened, as more people have died and our PR's and such are more easily noticed, so we have the potential benefit and the risk isn't nearly as much. Essentially, claiming this early we risk the mafia having safe claims and out our PR's or our important characters giving mafia the ability to plan kills night by night based on the claims. Claiming later we need all the info we can get, and with a few dead it won't be as potentially dangerous.

 

[Rockin]

In a time when people are trying to get us out of RVS by being aggressive (you can see what KevinM is doing, and Macman's accusing of Gheb), Rockin brings up a joke.

If it was a joke, it was a harmless one, and a small question like that to boot. It could've been easily ignored and I would've gotten the hint that everyone is more focused onto the discussion.

The first thing he says could be him trying to give a reason to cruise through day one and watch other people debate. Also, he starts a whole other debate on flavor that has been derailing us. I personally think that there is a good chance that the character's roles will have nothing to do with what they are like in Monster.

Rockin is trying to keep us in RVS as long as he can to keep D1 unproductive.

All aboard the Rockin wagon!

Vote: Rockin

This is why I ask, cause like I said, I don't know how sensitive the spoils are to me (as you saw, Medi had to explain to me how sensitive it is, which is a bit more laxed then I thought). I never heard of monsters and did my best to explain why spoilers would be inedvitable. Also, a topic hasn't even been put on the table, so I don't know how I'm exactly derailing when there was no rail in the first place. It's not like I'm explaining about a chaacter, predictions of what said character may have, or their alignment with flavor. I just wanted to ask what the **** theme was about >_>;;

 

[Mediocre]

As of post 133

7/12 votes to lynch

The Current Votecount:

Macman: 1 (Junglefever)
Marshy: 1 (Macman)
Omni: 1 (Ignatius)
Junglefever: 1 (Rockin)
cacti: 1 (Omni)
BunBun: 1 (Gheb_01)
Rockin: 1 (Cacti)


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mentosman8

Oct 30
BunBun
Macman

Oct 29

INACTIVE
Ignatius
Marshy

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Unvote Vote: Cacti

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Marshy - Same question you asked Iggy - Do you care for policy lynches? Is there anyone in this game you'd be interested in policy lynching?

i like policy lynches. mostly lurkers. no one here i want to policy lynch

vote cacti

 

[#HBC | marshy]

also in response to tuna's question: i'm convinced that whichever side has more VI's will lose. it's true in most if not all swfmafia games. if someone's doing village idiot actions (doing scummy stuff then calling people who question their scumbaggery scum, self voting, can't explain the simplest thought processes and such) that end up being hard to determine whether or not they're just a VI or scum then they should be lynched

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Don't really like a roleclaim/nameclaim right now Tuna. There's more than likely to be safeclaims for scum. Also, nameclaims open alot of speculation and thus potentially making PR's easier targets.

 

[mentosman8]

also in response to tuna's question: i'm convinced that whichever side has more VI's will lose. it's true in most if not all swfmafia games. if someone's doing village idiot actions (doing scummy stuff then calling people who question their scumbaggery scum, self voting, can't explain the simplest thought processes and such) that end up being hard to determine whether or not they're just a VI or scum then they should be lynched

Emphasis mine, I'm not a VI

 

[#HBC | Mac]

No posts have really stood out to me thus far.
vote: cacti

 

[Mediocre]

As of post 140
7/12 votes to lynch

The Current Votecount:

cacti: 3 (Omni, Gheb_01, Marshy)
Macman: 1 (Junglefever)
Marshy: 1 (Macman)
Omni: 1 (Ignatius)
Junglefever: 1 (Rockin)
Rockin: 1 (Cacti)


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Rockin
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Omni

Oct 30
BunBun

INACTIVE
Ignatius

 

[#HBC | Mac]

unvote, vote: cacti

i think I have some sort of phobia of unvoting. i should prolly go see someone about that

 

[Cacti]

...ok, why am I getting bandwagoned?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

...ok, why am I getting bandwagoned?

I don't know why the other ppl voted you but I did it because your post against Rockin was either complete bullcrap (in case you were serious) or a blatant contradiction (in case you were joking).

 

[BunBun]

I have no problem with voting cacti, but I'd rather hold my vote until later.
Maybe I'm just bad at this, but I didn't feel as much scum from cacti as I did from good ole' Mac.

 

[BunBun]

Eh, actually, let's get N1 here so we can have some real interaction to base things off of.

vote: Cacti

 

[mentosman8]

Really? Cacti just got bandwagoned to L-2 based off of posts of I agree and Marshy saying to policy lynch. Why don't we unvote and get some things settled instead of rushing into a lynch with plenty of time before the deadline?

 

[BunBun]

Well, mentos, what are your opinions on who feels scummy?

Nothing gets settled if you don't add something to start that procedure.

 

[mentosman8]

Well, most importantly take a look at the votes on Cacti:

Omni: Voted Cacti first. Later said it was to promote activity.
Gheb: Voted Cacti not stating a reason
Marshy: Said he was ok with policy lynches, voted Cacti
Macman: Voted Cacti without a reason
BunBun: Voted Cacti saying we could "Move on to night"

Now, not ONE of those votes makes sense to be on there right now. More importantly, he just got 5 very quick bandwagon votes, with little to no reasoning given at the time of the vote. This inclines me to believe that at least one scum has jumped this bandwagon hoping for a quick easy lynch so the game can move to night and they can start to dismantle the town. There is no reason to find Cacti scummy yet, and this bandwagon makes it look the opposite.

 

[Omni]

Eh, actually, let's get N1 here so we can have some real interaction to base things off of.

vote: Cacti

are you saying there can't be any interaction or information to receive day 1? you've been pretty quiet the entire day and observing rather than sparking conversation. you also said you didnt feel much scumvibes from Cacti yet you were fine with voting him and lynching him to stir up discussion. are you fine with lynching someone who isn't very scummy for information? explain this.

Really? Cacti just got bandwagoned to L-2 based off of posts of I agree and Marshy saying to policy lynch. Why don't we unvote and get some things settled instead of rushing into a lynch with plenty of time before the deadline?

the point of starting the cacti bw is to get people to talk i.e. players like BunBun who magically appear to bandwagon. and why are you worried about cacti being lynched at l-2? scum would be doing us a favor by quick lynching him thus revealing themselves

Well, most importantly take a look at the votes on Cacti:

Omni: Voted Cacti first. Later said it was to promote activity.
Gheb: Voted Cacti not stating a reason
Marshy: Said he was ok with policy lynches, voted Cacti
Macman: Voted Cacti without a reason
BunBun: Voted Cacti saying we could "Move on to night"

Now, not ONE of those votes makes sense to be on there right now. More importantly, he just got 5 very quick bandwagon votes, with little to no reasoning given at the time of the vote. This inclines me to believe that at least one scum has jumped this bandwagon hoping for a quick easy lynch so the game can move to night and they can start to dismantle the town. There is no reason to find Cacti scummy yet, and this bandwagon makes it look the opposite.

i agree that the majority of the votes placed on Cacti were pretty nonsensical if it wasn't based on the point i stated originally. since you believe one person in there is scum, who do you think it is and why?

 

[mentosman8]

Well, my first thought would be BunBun for her "move on to night" comment, however I'm not sure yet that sentiment doesn't come from different playstyles in past experience. I'm still looking into the BW to see what I can get from it beyond that.

 

[Mediocre]

Evil Eye temporarily replaces Ignatius


As of post 142

7/12 votes to lynch

The Current Votecount:

cacti: 5 (Omni, Gheb_01, Marshy, Macman, BunBun)
Macman: 1 (Junglefever)
Omni: 1 (Evil Eye)
Junglefever: 1 (Rockin)
Rockin: 1 (Cacti)


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KevinM
Matunas
Rockin

INACTIVE
Evil Eye

 

[Evil Eye]

Sup guys. A few disclaimers:

I have exams coming up (including one tomorrow), plus Batman in full swing, so don't expect me to be the usual super active EE. It's just not feasible. I took this on for Medi's sake since Iggy is probably coming back, and the replacement list would probably prefer to replace into a role, y'know, permanently.

With that said I plan to do things kinda frozenflame style. I'll post with a lot of substance when I do post, but it won't be as often as you're used to from me. Better than Captain Swine Flu's total absence, though, I'm sure. Get better, Iggmo.

Oh and if I get into a tizzy with somebody I'll be sure to see it through like I always do -- teeth clamped tight around their sphincter. Be afraid.



In the meantime, I have to study for Crim Theory. Tomorrow night I shall read the thread and post my thoughts up to now. If someone could give me a nice summary of the present lines of discussion so I can keep them in mind while reading, that would be quite dandy.


As it stands, it seems I have a vote on someone, and until tomorrow I'll have no idea why, so Unvote

 

[BunBun]

Well, my first thought would be BunBun for her "move on to night" comment, however I'm not sure yet that sentiment doesn't come from different playstyles in past experience. I'm still looking into the BW to see what I can get from it beyond that.

Actually, I'm a guy, but that's fine.
Generally, I hate D1 for this very reason. It's like everyone forgets that we don't have to lynch someone, or rather, everyone is too scared to cast the 'no lynch' vote in fear that when mafia gets lynched, they are looked at suspiciously for casting the 'no lynch' vote.

I'm perfectly willing to remove my vote from Cacti, but only if we can start moving these discussions and accusations along to a general discussion.


Like now, Omni and you are starting to target me, which is fine. Omni brings up a decent point that I kind of just popped in to bandwagon (except that if you look at the material discussed between my last 2 posts....well...no). Lots of people have things they can be called scummy for, but unless we all start talking about them and getting some defense brought up by those people, this won't ever change, and it's just better to lynch someone quickly to get more information.

 

[BunBun]

My head just grammar glitched, but I can't edit my post. The third 'paragraph' should have "you and Omni" instead of "Omni and you".

 

[#HBC | Mac]

What? No lynch is a terrible terrible terrible play in almost every nonmylo situation. Are you drunk?

 

[KevinM]

The more I read the more I'm only ok with a Cacti or Rockin lynch.

Leaning more towards Cacti at the moment but Rockin's flavor derail was just OMG scum as well.

but as usual with Rockin I play the DUMB OR SCUM game.

So I'd rather lynch Cacti, if his defense isn't suitable by tomorrow I'll probably be placing my vote on him.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Well, most importantly take a look at the votes on Cacti:

Omni: Voted Cacti first. Later said it was to promote activity.
Gheb: Voted Cacti not stating a reason
Marshy: Said he was ok with policy lynches, voted Cacti
Macman: Voted Cacti without a reason
BunBun: Voted Cacti saying we could "Move on to night"

Now, not ONE of those votes makes sense to be on there right now. More importantly, he just got 5 very quick bandwagon votes, with little to no reasoning given at the time of the vote. This inclines me to believe that at least one scum has jumped this bandwagon hoping for a quick easy lynch so the game can move to night and they can start to dismantle the town. There is no reason to find Cacti scummy yet, and this bandwagon makes it look the opposite.

I already stated my reason for voting Cacti. His vote/"case" against Rockin was the biggest piece of nonsene I've read in a while. If that's supposed to be serious then I don't regret my vote on Cacti at all. If he was joking then I see no problem either - he votes Rockin for making jokes but isn't serious himself? He can't complain about that vote.

Also, what's the problem of somebody being at L-2 this early in the game?

 

[Omni]

Actually, I'm a guy, but that's fine.
Generally, I hate D1 for this very reason. It's like everyone forgets that we don't have to lynch someone, or rather, everyone is too scared to cast the 'no lynch' vote in fear that when mafia gets lynched, they are looked at suspiciously for casting the 'no lynch' vote.

I'm perfectly willing to remove my vote from Cacti, but only if we can start moving these discussions and accusations along to a general discussion.


Like now, Omni and you are starting to target me, which is fine. Omni brings up a decent point that I kind of just popped in to bandwagon (except that if you look at the material discussed between my last 2 posts....well...no). Lots of people have things they can be called scummy for, but unless we all start talking about them and getting some defense brought up by those people, this won't ever change, and it's just better to lynch someone quickly to get more information.

I have no problem with voting cacti, but I'd rather hold my vote until later.
Maybe I'm just bad at this, but I didn't feel as much scum from cacti as I did from good ole' Mac.

yet you haven't argued the scum vibes you picked up from Macman. i don't like when people who don't contribute to discussion through initiation complain about the lack of conversation. what do you mean by moving these discussions and accusations to general discussion? explain this.

i'm not too particularly fond of your flipflopping on stances.

The more I read the more I'm only ok with a Cacti or Rockin lynch.

Leaning more towards Cacti at the moment but Rockin's flavor derail was just OMG scum as well.

but as usual with Rockin I play the DUMB OR SCUM game.

So I'd rather lynch Cacti, if his defense isn't suitable by tomorrow I'll probably be placing my vote on him.

sup kevmo. you mind relayin a little information on why you're fine with Cacti's lynch?

@Cacti: address the arguments that have been made against you

@Evil Eye: it would be best if you caught up on your own and gave your own impression of the game rather than one constructed by one of us

 

[#HBC | Mac]

love yu omni
UNVOTE!

vote: bunbun