Monster Mafia - Game Over! Was the Beast slain, or did evil overcome?

[Ilovegiraffes]

@Zack Fair

True. I was just annoyed that I was trying to do some things while I couldn't even get your frozen triple shot gg lazer to move. You can't have the bigger piece of the puzzle without also getting the other two to contribute other than staying on Frozen the whole time, even while knowing that Frozen viewed and the votes weren't doing anything. But yeah I didn't have a prob with you, I was just trying to poke your brain. I also agree with getting more content from others. And alright on FML. I'll trust you on that, I'm down to wagonning Jerkus/Mac with you.

@BarDulL

Now that the triple dip shot loser laser has been disbanded, what do now? What are your reads? It's way past RVS now.

@ #HBC | Scary

I wanted to see what you'd do upon asking. I also just wanted wagon support. The more votes the more pressure. Werekill is saying that I wanted you for the gushy juicyness of three votes but regardless I would have asked you, bardull, and zen individually if not. (I did ask zen and MAYBE bardull invidually at first) Also consider that not only did I want your support, I wanted reads/opinions from you guys so I could read you.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Omfg zen, wtf is that

I think I'm in love

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

To clarify on why I'm down to wagonnin' mac:

Not enough scumhunting from him. This dude just votes Bardull and leaves him out to dry, and is now just voting Werekill and ain't doin shiz. He also never answered my question about his read on Bardull. You saw how in Zombies mafia he was active and pushing for scum.

Jerkus:

Isn't interested in taking the time to scumhunt, but does have time to respond instantly to my cases, such as on FML, to throw dirt on me. I also like your reasoning on Jerkus. (Not having reasoning for voting bardull [which he still hasn't presented])

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Ohhh haha, just read my post #187, w/e I had been talking earlier that night about if spirit animals were l Iegit how i would totally want mine to be an otter or a south

Anyways, imma actually read the thread and stop being belligerent after tmrw night

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Though @ Jerkus if that's your reasoning for a giraffes / Mac pair that's pretty ****in dumb. I wouldn't even think to use such silly, unnecessary and superfluous comments in order to distance myself from my partner. Mostly cuz I don't expect ppl paying this game to be mindless enough to fall for that...

@ Ilovegiraffes in zombies mafia I also went through phases where I wasn't actively scumhunting despite following / skimming the thread akin to right now, so not a scum tell

 

[Jerkus]

So I can tell that allowing Zen to continue to be this confused about our slot is going to turn into a nightmare moving forward, so let me nip this in the bud. All of this explanation was going to come eventually, because I can't help myself, but I was hoping to just be able to stir the pot a while and see what bubbled to the surface. I guess we're done doing that.

WHY MACMAN IS SCUMMY, INDEPENDENTLY

His first post with any notable content is lazy, he votes werekill (lol) with the reasoning that he's just going to "scumread the slot all game," as if that were simply the laws of physics, and fakes content by both asking ilovegiraffes if he's a hydra (we'll come back to this later) and asking Zen why he's...posting. The ratio of words to substance in this post is such that it would turn a set of scales into a catapult (notably different from ZOMBIES! Mafia, in which he got straight to the point, and only posted when he actually had something to say).

In one of the posts immediately following this one, he doubles down on the Werekill read saying he's "pretty much definitely scum."

He later (but not much later) totally backpedals on the Werekill stance (remember "gonna be scumreading him all game"), and now he's pretty much back to square one. He tries an appeal saying he's going to reread and trying to take things more seriously because apparently his read on Werekill was based on a lark.

He proceeds to not do that. Then he tries to equate his play so far to his play in ZOMBIES!, which is a laugh riot. While Mac did have some dips in activity that game, he was on the whole much more productive there than he is here, even in D1 of that game. He wasn't prolific, but when he did post, it was with purpose. This play is not similar in any way. I also don't know what he means when he says "if that's your reasoning for a giraffes / Mac pair that's pretty ****in dumb," as I've yet to explain my reasoning for that assertion, and I know my other head has refrained as well. Perhaps pre-emptive defense because scurred? I'm genuinely confused by it.

So now it's the third day of the game and not only does Macman have no reads, but also has made no posts in which he seems to be observably trying to form any. Despite posting plenty.

WHY ILOVEGIRAFFES IS SCUMMY, INDEPENDENTLY

Opens with a vote on Wanted, which doesn't change until he decides to start reaching at Werekill. I guess now is a good time to make clear that while both of our heads are leaning town on Werekill, I at least would not consider a null read on Were to be difficult to believe. A scum read, however, I just can't see as anything other than a reach. Nothing Werekill has posted looks like faking content. This is especially notable when ILG hypocritically scoffs at the idea of FML voting Scary despite the fact that an argument about Scary faking content, or at least posting nothing but fluff, would be much more reasonable to make.

For further examples of ridiculous reaching on Werekill, see here.

Goes out of his way to assert his own towniness. Also does the lazy "gimme 2-3 reads does this look like I'm contributing" thing.

Then he flips to FML because the Werekill wagon didn't get rolling in one day and that apparently counts as "going nowhere." His argument for FML scum is literally "he disagrees with me about stuff and he seems to be playing like [game X], false equivalency, etc."

Stayed tuned for Part 2: 2 Part 2 Mafia: Tokyo Drift WHY MACMAN AND ILG ARE SCUMMY TOGETHER: The Quickening

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Unvote Vote Macman

Hoping kuz and frozen show up soon to give us something better than the garbage that giraffes, WK and Zen excret.

 

[Jerkus]

My goodness, I'm so persuasive.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

^ lol

I actually planned to switch the vote before you made that post ;P

But it's OK, we'll just wait until the sheeps come following and get this lynch through. I'm totally OK with it.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Also, I still don't agree with giraffes being scum, at least not through your reasoning. I'm more interested in that connection you seem to see between him and Macman. Maybe that'll convince but right now giraffes is not high on my priority list.

 

[Jerkus]

Also, I still don't agree with giraffes being scum, at least not through your reasoning. I'm more interested in that connection you seem to see between him and Macman. Maybe that'll convince but right now giraffes is not high on my priority list.

Fine by me. My read on Mac is the stronger of the two anyway. Was going to present what I see between Mac and ILG, but it'll be more relevant after Mac's flip anyway.

I'm willing to believe that I could be tunneling on the connection; I do that sometimes. I do not think that I'm wrong about Macman, regardless.

 

[Jerkus]

For the sake of Zen, my other head has stated that he seems to be in at least general agreement on this read, and could see how the partnership I've alluded to could exist (don't know if he considers it likely).

Also, if you still care at all about my Bardull read, it was based pretty much completely on the fact that he was being overly enthusiastic at the start of the Day, in a way that read very, very insincere to me. That he has since just vanished from the thread has not affected my read on him in any positive way.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Hey Jerkus. Didn't you say you had a town lean on me? What changed? Also I won't accept your reasons as 'reach' until you actually refute them. It's not cool of you to say that I was reaching when I had legit qualms with WK that he hadn't resolved for me at all. Me asking for reads isn't lazy, especially from slots who haven't really contributed much but have posted in thread. Me flipping from Werekill to FML is nothing but trying to work with the leads I had left. Should I not have a concern with FML when he constantly asks WK and Scary "Hey what do you think of Giraffes hand holding Zen? What do you think of his pushes?" etc etc. (It's also me trying to use less cases and just say what I feel concisely, but I guess that didn't work)

In fact, now that I think about it...

@ FullMetalLynch Why do you keep asking about me? Especially from the beginning. Did you have problems with me asking to hold hands with Zen? Do you have any current scumreads atm? If not, who would you POE to since you said you'd do that?

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

1-thats a null tell from rake and comparatively to zombies me posting this much with a no ****s barred attitude should actually be taken as a town tell
2-Rake null tell. Orbo hasn't actually interacted with you if I recall
3-Why is this scummy considering we straight up said it wasnt because we think he is scum? What possible reason could we have for voting someone we have at a nulltown blur in the literal first 36 hours of the game? Geezus ran think.
4-scummeh why?
5-But people acknowledged in fea we do that as town too

1. I didn't like it from you guys because I was trying to ask you a question about your scumreads but you were more interested with Werekill. (You ignored me to fluff more about irrelevant things and askings WK q's, I had to repeat my question) I want to know why that was more important than scumhunting, and how that has helped your read on WK? Also consider with Orbo I didn't even see his scumminess in Zombies. I thought it was townie orbo just lurking.
2. The vibe I got from you was from all the questions you were asking about me from the beginning, and to just calling my reasoning terrible and all. Why is this a null tell from Rake?
3. Because it shows that you were being lazy and weren't showing your work. This is why I asked you the question in my previous post.
4. It's not, it's just concerning that you were focusing on that more than scumhunting. That is why I asked you the q in point 1.
5. Oh? Who said? I'll consider it.

 

[Jerkus]

Hey Jerkus. Didn't you say you had a town lean on me?

Nope. J said he considers it easy to lean town on the Ran head of your hydra even when he (Ran) uses shoddy reasoning, but that's pretty much the only positive thing either of us have had to say about your slot. I've outlined some things. J has said that he thinks both your push on Were and your vote on FML are bad.

Also I won't accept your reasons as 'reach' until you actually refute them. It's not cool of you to say that I was reaching when I had legit qualms with WK that he hadn't resolved for me at all.

Not interested in refuting anything. Your logic about Werescum was reaching. You were accusing him of faking content just because he expressed a stance that you had already expressed. You nitpicked things like him asking certain people questions and not others. Nulltell after nulltell, you treated as scumtell. That's what reaching is. There's nothing to refute because you've provided nothing worth anyone's time about why we should believe Were is scum.

Me asking for reads isn't lazy, especially from slots who haven't really contributed much but have posted in thread.

On its own, it's an easy way to look like you're doing work without actually doing any. Just constantly asking people for reads isn't helpful, and looks hypocritical when there are plenty of people in this game who are still enigmas who you don't seem interested in at all (you wanted the voting block on frozen to break up because you didn't think it was doing anything, yet didn't offer any alternatives to get substance out of frozen. Something like that would require actual thought and work. Asking Zen for 2-3 arbitrary reads takes no effort at all).

Me flipping from Werekill to FML is nothing but trying to work with the leads I had left. Should I not have a concern with FML when he constantly asks WK and Scary "Hey what do you think of Giraffes hand holding Zen? What do you think of his pushes?" etc etc. (It's also me trying to use less cases and just say what I feel concisely, but I guess that didn't work)

It just doesn't make any sense to move off of Werekill so suddenly, as if the route had been exhausted, just to vote for FML with reasoning that amounts to little better than an OMGUS. You can push whoever you like; you can change your mind whenever you like. But the way you're going about it looks haphazard. Like your feeling for places to push in the dark.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

1. And that's how I felt about his entrance. For example, WK asking you to expand on your reasoning after Zen had already asked you, doesn't help. But now this guy seriously thinks I'm scum, and I started to doubt my original read on him. I can't talk about the points however, because he never explained his own mindset. That is anti-town, while he is voting me for being anti-town.

2. It's simple. I always go by making people talk. So I go "Who's scum?" and that's basically it. That's what I did with FML mostly. That's me trying to get others to get involved. With Zen, I want to have a back and forth. With Scary, I don't expect him to do strong pushes or even BE a pusher at all, so I definitely ask him for 2-3 reads as he is still a SE newbie. (I remember one dude asking me 2-3 reads or even a FULL reads list in Inception Mafia and I think that helped me develop myself a little into mafia) With Bardull, he was present in RVS but never concluded his presence with actual content, so that is why I ask him for reads/opinions. I don't have any idea how to get Frozen to contribute before he comes over. I don't think your point of me being hypocritical is legit, and more so so you can paint me as scum. See, I was thinking that them staying on Frozen wasn't doing much. Yet I don't know how else to help them to get content out of him. If I had an idea I would have given it. I don't think you can blame me in this apartment. Plus, I feel that they have their own reasons for not posting, and we'll see why soon enough. Plus when it comes to deadline, we can comprise to lurker slots to get more out of them. It's not like I haven't voted lurkers before (Ryu in Zombies), yet I had no reason to at the time. So don't expect me to come up with some complicated plan to get others to actually do work they should be doing themselves.

3. It does. He has refused to reply to my arguments, while some of town has supported his side without first letting him comment, and even telling him to ignore whatever he feels like (gorf). So I have to move on with the little gut I have left. Your last point isn't legit either. I'm doing the same thing I usually do. I push something I feel is off, and then if the person can explain themselves I can re-evaluate and move on to something else. I do 2-3 leads once at a time. You saying I'm feeling for places to push in the dark is me simply accusing someone, to get them to explain themselves. Why is this action indicative of Scum and not Town trying to find scum?

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Final note before I go to sleep:

You can't expect me to squeeze content out of enigmas since this is a large. I can't do it all. 2-3 seems like a good number to me. And in time if most of them haven't contributed by deadline then they are playing bad or have an agenda and we'll have to narrow down a compromise lynch to sniff 'em out (or straight lynch if they are scummy as well). Good night.

@ FullMetalLynch

I saw you viewing. Please at least answer my #292 for now, I want to see where your head is at. Good night.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Other head is here gonna read up.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Your just using him as a shield more than an ally find giraffes wrt Zen. It's like every time I aee you push something you try to drag zen up with you to almost hide behind in a sense

 

[FullMetalLynch]

And your scum read on me is laughable. We haven't said anything to sling mud at you or make you look bad. Your scum read on werekill could literally be described as "a bunch of null tells strung together and called cummy " it looked mire like you were just kicking a tire than anything. And the only reason im okay with it to be perfectly honest is because scum would never approach werekill like you did this early imo and especially then hoping to vote me basically because "Rakes questioning and calling me out on things I should be taking heat on" if this wasn't a Ran hydra and the fact I can actually see your perspective of kicking dirt to your slot in a way; id already be voting you because your reason to call us scum reeks of the type of defensive / OMGUS-esque reaction id expect flustered scum to make.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

*called scummy

 

[FullMetalLynch]

As for scum reads me and Onto don't really like Mac. Hes dragging his feet through this thread and him comparing it to zombies is a totally different perspective. In zombies even when he posted a little he was trying to move town forward and yiu could see the steps he was taking. Even in those moments he was very obviously town and his approach here even if he tries to write it off as belligerence is much different and all.

The only other leads I feel hold fruit is the pile of inactive players. Nabe and wanted specifically. There's just too much agreeing and common reads right now to make me feel like scum has a hand in it.

Speaking of, Vote Macman

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Vote Count

1. Nabe
2. Gorf
3. Jerkus (Circus/J) (1) - th3kuzinator
4. FrozenFlame (3) - ScaryLB59, BarDulL, Zack Fair
5. Macman (3) - Jerkus, Gheb_01, FullMetalLynch
6. BarDulL (1) - Gorf
7. Ilovegiraffes (Red Ryu/Ranmaru) (2) - Nabe, Werekill
9. ScaryLB59
10. Gheb_01
11. Xatres
12. FullMetalLynch (Rake/Orboknown) (1) - Ilovegiraffes
13. x WaNtEd x
14. Werekill (1) - Macman
15. Zack Fair

Not voting: FrozenFlame, Xatres, X WaNtEd X

 

[Lore]

I'm gonna reread Macman and see what I think. Giraffes is still my top pick, but Mac may be a bit bad too. I'm just worried about me being accused of OMGUS since he voted for me.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Alright. Fair enough. Moving on.

Unvote Vote: Macman

Mod: Macman isn't voting himself

 

[Lore]

Honest question for all of you because I'm not sure how much bias will be affecting my answer.

If I vote Macman for him calling me "definitely scum" out of nowhere then backpedalling hard, is that OMGUS coloring my thoughts or an actual read? It's the only thing I heavily dislike from him, minus a few minor things here and there.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Checking in for a moment while at work.

@Zack Fair
What do you think of Jerkus' recent posts? Does it still warrant our triple vote or should we move to Macman due to Jerkus' argument.

Back to work.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@ Lore

Unless it comes down to something ******** like "Vote X, for voting me for stupid reasons" it isn't actually OMGUS. Feel free to pile the votes on Macman!

 

[Lore]

I feel like a little sheep, but eh.

Vote: Macman

We can do a lot worse, although I still feel Giraffes is scummy.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

didnt VLA, should have, was in DC fri/sat and at xanadu legends on sunday

Ill be catching up slowly while at work and then Ill try to have a post up tonight

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Ehhh not sure what to tell you guys, I've yet to really look at this game with a critical eye, anti town sure but I ain't scum

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

Shut the **** up, Ryu.

I didn't post anything, that was all Ran.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

uhh why are we voting mac again? what has he done bad that the likes of, let's say kuz, hasn't?

 

[Lore]

uhh why are we voting mac again? what has he done bad that the likes of, let's say kuz, hasn't?

To me he flip flopped pretty hard from an extremely strong stance on me to something practically nonexistent when it failed, and he generally admits himself that he is being anti town. I would much rather lynch Giraffes (see my case), but we could do a whole lot worse than Macman.

 

[Lore]

Wait, if we lynch giraffes won't their feet be able to touch the ground? We'll need a really ****in tall tree, then.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

like... @ Jerkus why doesn't mac equate to being lazy/town awaiting content to comment on? after talking about being schwasted for the earlier parts of his posts he's visibly been... awaiting reading/content as far as i can see. in zombies there was plenty of content before he made his first post. here... he was drunk, hung over, and saying some stuff that was clearly him not having a solid opinion. i only say it cuz ive been in a position where im kinda just talkin **** before actually GOING IN on a game. jerkus, especially j, I'm sure you've been in a position where you prodded your lack of real content through till you got the motivation to read and/or found something worth commenting on as town, right?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

To me he flip flopped pretty hard from an extremely strong stance on me to something practically nonexistent when it failed, and he generally admits himself that he is being anti town. I would much rather lynch Giraffes (see my case), but we could do a whole lot worse than Macman.

... you mean from "this guy is a newb who's playstyle i don't jive with, i want em dead" to "maybe just cuz i don't jive with his playstyle doesn't mean he should die?"

 

[Lore]

This is the part that gets me.

FOSing is fake as ****, if yous a real ***** you'd vote mother****ers

also WEREKILL is pretty much definitely scum, and I think J needs to come in here to prove that Jerkus ain't mafioso cuz I'm kinda leaning that way

"Definitely scum" sounds completely different than "I don't like his playstyle."

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I'm feeling this gorf defense

that's the homie right there

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Oh heh forgot that I called out jerkus as mafioso in my drunken state

I think I might still agree with that Mac from way back