Monster Mafia - Game Over! Was the Beast slain, or did evil overcome?

[Jerkus]

like... @ Jerkus why doesn't mac equate to being lazy/town awaiting content to comment on? after talking about being schwasted for the earlier parts of his posts he's visibly been... awaiting reading/content as far as i can see. in zombies there was plenty of content before he made his first post. here... he was drunk, hung over, and saying some stuff that was clearly him not having a solid opinion. i only say it cuz ive been in a position where im kinda just talkin **** before actually GOING IN on a game. jerkus, especially j, I'm sure you've been in a position where you prodded your lack of real content through till you got the motivation to read and/or found something worth commenting on as town, right?

The thing is, lazy Mac is scum Mac. You can always tell when Mac is scum specifically because it takes him forever to really start providing anything that looks like good content, or committing to reads, if he ever does at all.

Yeah, in Zombies there was plenty for him to comment on before he made his first post, but that's my point. It's not that he was super active—he just didn't bother posting until he had something to say. Here, he's posted a bunch and we know nothing about him, and we've seen him do no scumhunting. He came in hard on Werekill with zero reasoning, then 180'd on it completely, and has spent every post since going "I guess I'll read at some point, I'll start taking things seriously, I'll start actually playing soon." If he were town Mac, he wouldn't bother saying all of this. He would just be doing it.

i mean I've only really been reading / thinking about posts that mention me so yea basically cuz he wants my lynch.

You state here that you find me scummy because I want your lynch (which is textbook omgus, but k)

then

I can't really blame them (and others) for thinking I'm scummy as an individual because of the 'werekill backtrack' logic.

? ? ?

So what is your argument then? I'm one of several people voting your right now, and you just validated our suspicion. You can't then also use that suspicion of you as a reason to find me suspicious.

But I do think that argument is pretty shallow and an easy one to latch onto / try to get others to get behind esp if scum wants to get a easy mislynch on a potential power player. If ppl really think my actions scream scum then I think they probably underestimate my real scum play which I can see ppl like werekill or ran or sum1 who hasn't played with me doing but less so someone like Jerkus

On the contrary, I would say it's pretty well known among the older players that your scum play pales in comparison to your town play.

Anyways I'm tired of talking about myself and tooting my own horn so imma shut up till I can take a real look at this game (aka when I'm not on my phone in a line for a bus to Managua)

Can't wait for this to actually happen.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

I'm out, I already am an hour behind my working out I was suppose to do :<

 

[Jerkus]

@@[USER=214865]Jerkus what were the town bombs that I was presenting and what about them makes you believe they aren't fakeable?[/USER]

You're into the game. You're willing to publicly call people town. You just read towny. I never said that I believed the tells are not fakable. I just have no reason to believe you're faking them yet.

[quote="Zack Fair, post: 16915893, member: 123891"]Please present your mac/iluv reasoning.[/quote]No. It's a simple manner of looking at the multiple times they have spoken to our referenced each other and reading it as insincere, compounded by the fact that I find both slots scummy individually. We're only lynching one slot at once, so there's no reason to put [I]too[/I] much weight into a connection before either even flips.
[quote="Gorf, post: 16916285, member: 146703"]oh hey guys look at how everyone's forgotten about bardull oh joy how convenient.

@[USER=28116]Macman hate to say it but it's probz in your best interest to just conform and get the tards off your back.

also i look at the playerlist, and why aren't people like wanted or gheb or scary getting attention while like ff and mac are -.- #armchair4lyf[/quote]If you want people to look into people like Gheb and Scary...then look into Gheb and Scary. What are you waiting for?[/user]

 

[Jerkus]

Wow, something bad happened to that post.

 

[Jerkus]

Alrighty, hopping on the jerkus train!

Unvote
Vote: Jerkus

oh this should be fun

 

[Jerkus]

Ryu, that post is bad. Your argument is that you don't like some posts that I've made (which you don't even link to, come on now, make things easy on your readers), and say that you don't like that I went after Bardull and Macman so...vehemently? Even though you yourself admit that you wouldn't mind seeing Mac go, and your other head outright finds him suspicious?

That all makes you down for my lynch "110%," eh?

 

[Nameless]

Vote Count

1. Nabe (1) - FrozenFlame
2. Gorf
3. Jerkus (Circus/J) (2) - th3kuzinator, ilovegiraffes
4. FrozenFlame (1) - BarDulL
5. Macman (6) - Jerkus, Gheb_01, FullMetalLynch, Werekill, ScaryLB59, Zack Fair
6. BarDulL (1) - Gorf
7. Ilovegiraffes (Red Ryu/Ranmaru) (1) - Nabe
9. ScaryLB59
10. Gheb_01
11. Xatres
12. FullMetalLynch (Rake/Orboknown)
13. x WaNtEd x
14. Werekill (1) - Macman
15. Zack Fair

Not voting: Xatres, X WaNtEd X

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

jerkus, your case is a hunch. i have no problem with making hunches as cases based on things like meta, but i simply don't agree. if you think he's scum going forward, i hope it's not a matter of tunneling, but ill be willing to consider it if his actions are static/tangibly scummy. but idk, the case on him isn't something im willing to grasp onto if i could tell myself that ive defended the likes of jtb for the same thing.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

my point is there's NOTHING to look at with slots who have little to no content @ Jerkus

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

My problem is more so you won't tell anyone why you voted Bardull in the first place. And that I don't see an internal reasoning for that other than, "read his posts" which doesn't tell me anything and asks me to make a best guess.

Macman's death I don't care, that is correct but at the same time I'm with Gorf on others are doing similar of not worse. Active lurking and his Werekill vote? Maybe.

But even then I can't where this Rut/Ran - macman obvious mates is from. It doesn't make sense since at most I think Ran talk to macman very little and only really when Werekill came up.

TL:dr I don't where your reasoning is coming from. When asked about if you dodge it. And when presented I can't do anything but guess when you give reads like that.

That is where my problem with you is.

 

[Jerkus]

jerkus, your case is a hunch. i have no problem with making hunches as cases based on things like meta, but i simply don't agree. if you think he's scum going forward, i hope it's not a matter of tunneling, but ill be willing to consider it if his actions are static/tangibly scummy. but idk, the case on him isn't something im willing to grasp onto if i could tell myself that ive defended the likes of jtb for the same thing.

of course it's a hunch. It's D1. That's all you get on D1 unless scum incriminate themselves a'la Zombies! Mafia.

If you don't think I have enough reasoning for Mac, then don't follow me on the wagon. But at least do something else then. Just saying you don't like the wagon is pointless. Find a new line of discussion if you don't like the one I've provided. Just shutting mine down doesn't get us anywhere if you don't have a different destination in mind.

 

[Jerkus]

My problem is more so you won't tell anyone why you voted Bardull in the first place. And that I don't see an internal reasoning for that other than, "read his posts" which doesn't tell me anything and asks me to make a best guess.

I did do that, actually. You've been skimming. My "read his post" thing wasn't sincere; I was always going to explain the Bardull read if I found it to be prudent. But I didn't care to do so at the time because, as I said in one of my earlier posts that I'm sure you didn't read, I wanted to stir the pot for a while just to see what happens before just sinking my teeth into someone.

 

[Jerkus]

I guess I shouldn't say it wasn't sincere; more like I just knew I was being kind of coy when I said it, but assuming that was the absolute farthest extent I was willing to go to explain the read is silly. I don't like always being an open book, especially if I can get reactions by not being so.

 

[Xivii]

Please stop comparing Mac's play to zombies. One game isn't enough meta. The way you're insinuating it would be like saying that frozen must be scum here since he's posted, where as in zombies he never posted. Since he was town there, he must be scum here.

 

[Jerkus]

Zombies is just a recent and accessible example. The meta follows him way back. It's common knowledge among people who played with him before that Mac hates rolling scum and as such often struggles to handle the alignment well.

Even without meta, I still make the argument that Mac's content is in dire lack of substance so far, which would be fishy for anyone who has actively been in the game for this long. The meta just strengthens that view.

 

[Jerkus]

And again, if you don't like my logic, fine. But say something other than that. Don't be that guy who shoots down all of the restaurant ideas everyone else comes up with then shrugs when people ask what you want to eat.

 

[Xivii]

Can you point me to some games you remember? I've seen Mac pay that way as both town and scum.

 

[Xivii]

What do you think of Scary, and gorf?

 

[Jerkus]

off the top of my head, no. I don't even know the last game he played prior to Zombies because I'm pretty sure that was his first game back after a long hiatus. The one game that comes to mind is, funnily enough, Necromafia. My memory of his specific play in that game is murky; I just remember him absolutely failing to try to even fake content.

 

[Xivii]

Ugh mobile typo john2k4s

 

[FullMetalLynch]

@ #HBC | Nabe and frozen -one of you talk about one of giraffe or mac, the other about one of zen and jerkus. Please and thank you. Anything you feel needs to be addressed

 

[Jerkus]

Gorf is fine. Scary is the absolute definition of vigbait. I asked J about him earlier since I've never played with him before, and he said he's kind of a paperweight but is really obvious as scum so is more than likely town. I hate pretty much all of his posts so far, but they're so bad that it's actually difficult to see them as scumtells.

I hope he's dead before I have to really worry about him, to be quite candid.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

off the top of my head, no. I don't even know the last game he played prior to Zombies because I'm pretty sure that was his first game back after a long hiatus. The one game that comes to mind is, funnily enough, Necromafia. My memory of his specific play in that game is murky; I just remember him absolutely failing to try to even fake content.

Mac was town that game though? Simpsons maf he was town mvp iirc. No idea when last he rolled scum

 

[Jerkus]

Mac was town that game though?

No he wasn't. I hosted that game. He was basically, like, a Traitor.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Could have sworn that was raz was the traitor

 

[Jerkus]

Raz replaced Mac. But as I recall, he barely even got to play before town lynched Kary and ended the game immediately.

 

[FullMetalLynch]

Gotcha.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Why are you voting me?

@ Ilovegiraffes what do y

^

Wanna dance?

What you think of Jerkus and Gorf?

Scumlean, null-guttown. Whatever head of Jerkus that's been posting isn't meshing.
What is your read on FML, and which of you is scumreading WK?

@ #HBC | Nabe and frozen -one of you talk about one of giraffe or mac, the other about one of zen and jerkus. Please and thank you. Anything you feel needs to be addressed

Mac gives naked reads and plays without bull****. If he's scum, he'll be caught. No one should be talking about Macman.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

aiight so I just finished that GOT finale (so baller) and now I had time to read the thread.

I ain't gonna quote (many) posts cuz my internet is too spotty for that

Apparently there was a bardull wagon + discussion -- the last I remembered Gheb and Gorf voted him after me. was feelin good about that early game light hbc style bandWagon cuz of the weird ass first post by Bardull.

Bardull's next posts don't seem scummy to me, dude seems like a regular dude just ****in around during RVS

Jerkus joins the wagon after a couple more posts by Bardull and co. Zen and Jerkus get into a lil tizzy cuz Jerkus won't explain why he's voting Bardull, just saying "just look at Bardull's posts". Zen makes the legit point that bardull wagon might be an easy ass lynch to push through d1 and that ppl should at least present reasoning if they're gonna continue hop on the bandwagon. Jerkus still doesn't feel like answering which i think is anti-town (which Zen mentions later). Also there's the whole hydra separate posting argument with Zen / Jerkus. This is a pretty null interaction but Zen thus far in this game reads genuine def the most pro-town at this point. I can see how it could be annoying that Jerkus in unwilling to go along with things that might help town read the slot

Seems like Gorf resonates with this 'Bardull obv scum cuz of his posts' **** and thinks that Zen's hydra **** is stupid. and gets on Jerkus's side against Zen.. gotta say I'm not feelin this

ahh, i actually know now what the context for the 3 foses from Zen was, and the additional 2 foses he posted later were of two of the same ppl from the first 3. so my drunken fos comment was pretty dumb but w/e I wasn't reading closely

WK sidenote:
pretty sure I know now why Werekill's posts rubbed me the wrong way. His posts like the ones where:
- he asks Bardull to explain his first post and then continues to question about random obvious joke content
- posts like his imma be suspicious of Bardull but I won't vote becuz he's sooooooo clearly town and cuz of that he doesn't want a lynch on bardull just so soon
- pointing out Zen's censor ****
- how he explained why
- how he kept saying ppl were trying to misrepresent him
idk they all gave off this vibe like a kids soccer coach that was suuuuuper honest and upstanding on the outside but only tried to appear overly so in order to hide the fact that that he beats his wife or molest dogs or something in secret

but after reading some posts by FML and Gorf and Jerkus, it appears that Werekill just legitimately IS that honest or w/e. Gorf's posts about "would scumwerekill really do that" and his post to me after I said WK's posts through me off read town. FML's reactions including this one so far read town. anyways I don't think werekill is scum



IloveGiraffe's case on Werekill was pretty bad, ILuv doesn't seem scummy for it

read up to the point where I started to derail the thread -- so far: Zen reads real townie, Werekill likely town considering the kinda person I'm guessing he is now, Gorf and FML with some town points

 

[#HBC | Mac]

@ #HBC | Mac

What is your read on BardulL now?

pretty null at this point, he hasn't done anything of merit yet and his early posts read RVS filler

Man.

I'm not finished catching up yet, but Mac and ilovegiraffes are OBVIOUSLY buddies this game.

better side's reasoning on the weird interactions Mac and Giraffe keep having.

I just do not like the WK push nor the FML push because I do not find either of them scummy. Meh.

I had no idea wtf you could be talking about so I and Zen asked you to explain - yet now you seem to be refusing. You mentioned this multiple times so obviously you had a strong reason to come to this conclusion right? why no explain it, it only helps town understand your thought process better.

but now we're getting this from Jerkus???

[quote="Zack Fair, post: 16915893, member: 123891"]
@[USER=214865]Jerkus
Please present your mac/iluv reasoning.

No. It's a simple manner of looking at the multiple times they have spoken to our referenced each other and reading it as insincere, compounded by the fact that I find both slots scummy individually. We're only lynching one slot at once, so there's no reason to put too much weight into a connection before either even flips.[/USER][/quote]

lol bro don't ****in try to get out of this questioning, this refusal to answer legitimate questions is gross af... you were totally about to go in depth about it:

[quote="Jerkus, post: 16913653, member: 214865"]

Stayed tuned for Part 2: 2 Part 2 Mafia: Tokyo Drift WHY MACMAN AND ILG ARE SCUMMY TOGETHER: The Quickening[/quote]


I was tryna figure out why Jerkus coulda thought this, I figured Jerkus might say it's cuz me and iLuv are voting the same person: werekill. But then I thought, that'd be kinda dumb for a me and IloVeGiraffes as scumpartners to try to start a wagon on a slot. From my POV it doesn't seem likely for members of a scumteam to be votes 1 and 2 on a wagon. If circus said this was his reason it would look pretty scummy to me cuz that **** don't make sense

haha the huge Zen post is so ill just from a data perspective, though I completely agree with FF that it is wholly NULL.

in that post he brought up when I asked Girraffes if they're a hydra / other silly ****. If instead THIS post was jerkus's reasoning for me / iluv scum pair, it would also look bad to me cuz that **** is stupid too...

so im really curious to find out why jerkus saw me and iluv as scum together, and i think it's gross af that he's tryna avoid the question now. **** is unnecesisarily anti-town along with his earlier refusal to elaborate on Bardull.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Hold the ****ing phone here.

Stop saying that you'll be obvtown Mac and start actually ****ing doing it.

Saying "I'll be better guys I swear! Just like the other game where I started doing good stuff D2!" is not a defense in the ****ing slightest. And I personally don't care how you've played in other games. I'm looking at you NOW, not any other games. How you'll start acting D2 is irrelevant to how you're acting now. All I care about is toDay.

unvote, Vote: Macman

lol wtf relaxxxx and hop off the nuts man

to all the ppl talking about my meta: i'm sorry guys I'm not instantly the paradigm of obvious towniness bestowed upon God in order to grace the game with my 'wow he's so active and pro-town' presence. I clearly must be scum for not living up to this

 

[#HBC | Mac]

The thing is, lazy Mac is scum Mac. You can always tell when Mac is scum specifically because it takes him forever to really start providing anything that looks like good content, or committing to reads, if he ever does at all.

Yeah, in Zombies there was plenty for him to comment on before he made his first post, but that's my point. It's not that he was super active—he just didn't bother posting until he had something to say. Here, he's posted a bunch and we know nothing about him, and we've seen him do no scumhunting. He came in hard on Werekill with zero reasoning, then 180'd on it completely, and has spent every post since going "I guess I'll read at some point, I'll start taking things seriously, I'll start actually playing soon." If he were town Mac, he wouldn't bother saying all of this. He would just be doing it.

You state here that you find me scummy because I want your lynch (which is textbook omgus, but k)

then


? ? ?

So what is your argument then? I'm one of several people voting your right now, and you just validated our suspicion. You can't then also use that suspicion of you as a reason to find me suspicious.

On the contrary, I would say it's pretty well known among the older players that your scum play pales in comparison to your town play.

Can't wait for this to actually happen.

in this post you completely leave out the part where I discuss how I may think you're scummy specifically based on what the reasoning behind your mac/iLuv pairing

also forgot to vote: Jerkus 2 posts ago

def not gonna take the vote off until you explain your reasoning... also I think the fact that you're so unwilling to respond to legitimate qs is scummy

 

[#HBC | Mac]

IloveGirrafe seems pretty null to me at this point, though I wtfed at his "jerkus / mac" scumteam posts

 

[#HBC | Mac]

someone said I was buddying or townreading ppl unnecessarily,

i had a pre-strong town read of zen even b4 this reread so there's that

and nah when I said gorf is a homie I meant dude is just the homie, not that he's town. though on some real ****, that homie status means that I won't be down to lynch him till late game, even if he may get a lil bit scumtastic
(fwiw, my current read on gorf is slight town mostly due to his posts on Werekill, his defense of me while hella legit reads null to me)

 

[#HBC | Mac]

just read iLoveGiraffe's last post by ryu -- all good **** and it reflects many of the thoughts I'm having myself. Def gives me a better feel about that slot

 

[#HBC | Mac]

**** I spent way too much time on this ****

 

[Lore]

I'm too tired to really give a good read, Mac. I'll read it tomorrow and decide my vote for sure.

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

@X WaNtEd X

Where you at. I want to see your opinions on the gamestate, and also I want you answer my questions from early on. You posted and just left.

@BarDulL

Where you at son. CONTRIBUTE

@ #HBC | Gorf

Yo. I see you talking alot but I don't see who you want gone. Who's scum?

 

[Ilovegiraffes]

I'm out, I already am an hour behind my working out I was suppose to do :<

What a coincedence, so was I. I was like 5 minutes late, even though I usually always have to run to martial arts. :3

Don't have anything else to say at the moment. Need more content from other peepz.

Peace. Sleepy time.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I did do that, actually. You've been skimming. My "read his post" thing wasn't sincere; I was always going to explain the Bardull read if I found it to be prudent. But I didn't care to do so at the time because, as I said in one of my earlier posts that I'm sure you didn't read, I wanted to stir the pot for a while just to see what happens before just sinking my teeth into someone.

oh? can you link where you did this