Monster Mafia - Game Over! Was the Beast slain, or did evil overcome?

[#HBC | Gorf]

and yo frozen i gotchu, later in life imma actually bring that **** to light since bardumb clearly inactivitied his way out of the wagon. i DON'T want that slot tone forgotten, at MINIMUM.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

ebwop

...that slot to be* forgotten...

 

[Jerkus]

So this is the fun side again and just here saying I'll be posting again later today. Almost done my drive in Ohio so hopefully some more things happen. I'll got some gears turning.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

you should tell circus to post

 

[Jerkus]

Gorf, talk to me about anyone you'd like. I wanna help you get you more into this game which will help me as well. I'll respond later but let's spitball some things.

 

[Nameless]

Vote Count

1. Nabe
2. Gorf
3. Jerkus (Circus/J) (5) - th3kuzinator, ilovegiraffes, Macman, ScaryLB59, Zack Fair
4. FrozenFlame (1) - BarDulL
5. Macman (4) - Jerkus, Gheb_01, FullMetalLynch, Werekill
6. BarDulL (1) - Gorf
7. Ilovegiraffes (Red Ryu/Ranmaru) (1) - Nabe
9. ScaryLB59
10. Gheb_01
11. Xatres
12. FullMetalLynch (Rake/Orboknown)
13. x WaNtEd x (1) - FrozenFlame
14. Werekill
15. Zack Fair

Not voting: Xatres, X WaNtEd X

 

[Jerkus]

you should tell circus to post

Bullet point your wants and needs and I'll help respond for him. We are the same person haha. I was just too tired last night to do everything.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I've made what I want pretty clear: for circus to explain what he meant by the mac / iluv connection. J, you already said you would let circus respond since he was the one who initially made such statements. so I wanna hear from him what exactly he was thinking when he kept strongly proclaiming that

 

[Jerkus]

You are so anti-town this game, Mac. And therefore you are so not fun this game.

Whatever, then wait patiently for Circus *shrug*

 

[Lore]

Quoting this for everyone to easily find this point again.

Man.

I'm not finished catching up yet, but Mac and ilovegiraffes are OBVIOUSLY buddies this game.

Does anyone else find it odd that Giraffes backs down from the Werekill wagon after this before any reasoning was even presented? Then Mac does the same thing but just doesn't really pick anyone (if I'm wrong here tell me, going from memory) until Giraffes hops on Jerkus?

I'm starting to see a bit of that Mac and Giraffe connection, and I'm starting to feel worse towards Mac once again.

@ Jerkus : Are we in agreement that if Mac is lynched, Giraffe should go next?

 

[Lore]

By point I meant point in the game, it's essentially a quick link to that page through quoting.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Sorry, I haven't been around a lot and don't actually know what's going on right now. I'll reread and post something substantial today for sure.

Unvote

 

[#HBC | Mac]

You are so anti-town this game, Mac. And therefore you are so not fun this game.

Whatever, then wait patiently for Circus *shrug*

???

not sure how my recent post prompted this but ok

 

[Lore]

Actually...

@ Jerkus I'm finding Giraffes to be much worse than Mac. If they're so connected, then they would be likely scum if one flips that way. Why not get the scummier of the two?

I say we move the wagon over to Giraffes .

 

[Jerkus]

wrt what's scummy about you: I think the push on Mac is too aggressive and premature. It seems forced and ingenuine. Especially the bit about having an obvious connection between mac and iluv. I also do not like how for a good portion of the game you've been actively ignoring a lot of questions thrown your way that would help read you and progress the game. I do not like your early Bardull vote, because I think at that point we already had gotten what we needed from his wagon and that he showed some town-like characteristics that were worthy of ending the wagon. The fact that you continued it there, made me feel like you were not really looking at the situation but were merely attempting to emulate town and latch onto something.

This might have been remedied had you explained what you found scummy about Bardull at that point, but you have avoided that. The reasoning you have recently given doesn't explain to me why you felt Bardull was still worthy of being wagoned at the point of your vote. I agree that his intro post was really sketchy, and had I been on at the time that he made it, I might have voted him myself. This is why I feel that the primary wagon votes were genuine. But you came and voted him after all his flustering and reactions. Your explanation does not explain why you found him worthy of being voted for at that point. What more did you hope to gain from him? The lad was on the verge of claiming for Pete's sake.

It just feels like you have an agenda in all honesty man. You're not looking at Mac critically. Your forcing points against him for the sake of your read. Such as the zombies meta, meta in general, and the obvious iluv connection. I could definitely understand Circus scum reading Mac, but I don't feel him pushing him this aggressively and turning a blind eye to any critical analysis is characteristic of Circus play or of Town play in general.

I'm going to keep this brief.

It is insane that you think this is uncharacteristic of my play, because it feels like this happens to me at least a little bit in most of the town games I play. I drop a strong a vote on someone, or say something incendiary to garner reactions (though what I'm saying is still based on real reads) and the response I get is from somebody "you're being too antagonistic, you have to explain yourself right now, this is all scummy because I don't know how this game works!" It's insane. About the only games I don't get this are games into which I replace, because apparently if you hard press into anybody D1, it's premature. But if you wait til about D2, that's more appropriate. The scum had had time to rest and stew so when you cut into it's nice and tender and the rest of the town likes it.

That you are still so latched onto my vote on Bardull from the very beginning of the Day is crazy (it seriously takes up 50% of the content in the quote here). I voted him for a relatively shallow but genuine reason because it was the beginning of the ****ing game and no one had anything else to go on. And I still think he's scummy. Unless you don't (and how could that be?), then there's no reason to **** with me on this. You say he was on the verge of claiming. I honestly don't recall that being the case, but if that were true, that wouldn't make me feel any better about him. He was never in danger of being lynched. You know who freaks out and claims that early in the game with so few votes on them? Panicked scum!

I am not going to deal with being scum read by you for being aggressive. Especially since the people I'm being aggressive on are people that lots of others including you agree are suspicious. Plenty of people agree with me that Mac is scummy. YOU agree with me that ILG is scummy. NO ONE should think that Bardull is town right now. It is impossible that you can then find me scummy for my decision to ride these slots hard.

 

[Jerkus]

I guess I didn't keep it that brief.

 

[Jerkus]

@Ilovegiraffes

Your judo onto me being Mac's buddy is hilarious. At least we can 86 Mac together. Unless the wagon hops to you, which both of these heads would be pretty alright with.

 

[Jerkus]

the number of failed attempts to tag me is downright hilarious

literally worth the $3 for premium just to watch people on the struggle bus hahaha

@Zack Fair's #405 is like the towniest post I've read all game. dude let's buddy up. I know you're probably thinkin "oh **** stage 5 clinger up in this *****" considering I basically stole your old name but trust me Im well adjusted n **** and I wont go crazy I promise <3

god Im so not compelled by like any of the suggested wagons right now

is it mean to want to just pressure the new guy for funsies?

I think this game needs new focus. Its getting myopic with most discussion surrounding mac/giraffes/jerkus. But I'm def being that ******* who's like "man **** what we're talking about" but then has no better topic to suggest anyway =/

Vote: Wanted for now. People can join me though if we wanna pick on the new guy cuz thats always interesting

Kinda wish xatres was more in dis too. Fresh opinions are so mmmmmm

bbl when I actually think of a new angle to discuss in this game

....

Scummiest post of the game yet? Wow, frozen. You a basic ***** right now.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of avenues that need exploring. Large Game Law requires half the roster of a Large Game to lurk through D1 regardless of alignment. But you seriously just popped in and voted a ghost of a slot and said gave no analysis of the current discussions? Would it be correct for me to assume that you not being interested in any of the current wagons means you're townreading all of them?

 

[#HBC | Mac]

+1 for using the term basic *****

 

[Jerkus]

I'm still getting caught up, but I likely wouldn't have posted any opinions yet anyways. Enjoying armchair/apathy mode. 15 players is too many for my tastes.

My god, everyone in this game needs to get vigged. Why did you let me join a Large, J?

 

[Jerkus]

Actually...

@ Jerkus I'm finding Giraffes to be much worse than Mac. If they're so connected, then they would be likely scum if one flips that way. Why not get the scummier of the two?

I say we move the wagon over to Giraffes .

I would still prefer Mac of the two. My other head does actually like the giraffes wagon better, so if he decides to move the vote that way, I won't stop him.

Although, frankly, seeing frozen and Xatres and Gheb pop out of the floorboards and give us jack ****, with other players like Bardull and Nabe and Wanted still being MIA, a large part of me wants to pump the brakes and get something out of all of them.

 

[Jerkus]

Man, I still feel like I have **** I want to get to but I'm already running late for work. Will be back on tonight.

 

[BarDulL]

still v/la because i'm graduating today. might replace out if i'm just too busy we'll see

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

....

Scummiest post of the game yet? Wow, frozen. You a basic ***** right now.

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of avenues that need exploring. Large Game Law requires half the roster of a Large Game to lurk through D1 regardless of alignment. But you seriously just popped in and voted a ghost of a slot and said gave no analysis of the current discussions? Would it be correct for me to assume that you not being interested in any of the current wagons means you're townreading all of them?

oh cute zinger

maybe if someone would answer my questions from #438 Id be able to give some analysis

gee I wonder who Im waiting on

i've given my opinion on the current wagons. they blow. they're ****ing lame. i'm getting nothing out of them. I want new wagons because the interactions from these ones are garbage.

and no, that wouldn't be a correct assumption at all. it's almost like I never explicitly said in thread that my scumdar hasn't pinged in any significant way yet. and it's almost like I've never said explicitly where my townleans are

is this my first post this game?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

so i guess we won't have to talk about bardull @ Jerkus

why is mac, in j's non meta related opinion, scummy and not simply anti town, especially with what he's recently brought to the table? what separates him from your previously mentioned nulls? mentioning him being prodded to contribute nullified your argument btw.

 

[Jerkus]

Well FF, to be fair, you have been incredibly vague and then we you decided to do something, it's actually a whole of nothing. Anyone can get away with activity policing. You were not clear on the fact that you disliked all the wagons, however, you failed to answer my better half's question:

Do you town-read all the current wagons then? You can dislike the wagons, sure, but what are your reads on the slots in question. (I.E. Macman/Jerkus/I<3Giraffe) Plus you put a vote on Wanted yet you don't do much to "pressure" him. If I were to come in and see a vote like that on me I would not even bat an eye, hell I still am not batting an eye because the wagon formed on us is not due to scumspicion put morely based on people disliking that Circus is not spoonfeeding everyone his every thoughts.

You are one I have my eye on FF. I need to talk to Circus since this is the first time in a while just you have played alone, but lately you are kind of dead weight for now.

 

[Lore]

I'm pretty sure Circus wrote both, FF, but what does it matter?

Also, what ARE your reads, then? There's no way you've gotten nothing out of the interactions even if you think they're ****, and you imply that you actually have several.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

although i will say that antagonizing frozen doesn't suit your slot very well

 

[Jerkus]

so i guess we won't have to talk about bardull @ Jerkus

why is mac, in j's non meta related opinion, scummy and not simply anti town, especially with what he's recently brought to the table? what separates him from your previously mentioned nulls? mentioning him being prodded to contribute nullified your argument btw.

I do not feel Macman to be as super scummy as Circus does. *@Macman: Btw we are not having any hydra discrepancies and if we are we aren't posting them in thread so **** outta here with that* I feel Macman is a throwaway read, he is null but also the fact of the matter is he is anti-town and therefore can die for that reason alone because lately I am coming to the realization that when certain players are playing anti-town it is mainly because they are scum. Though I just got through dealing with a different shade of Macman in Zombies where he was wrong on quite a lot of reads and tunnel-headed, but now he is so placcid. That's the thing I dislike about Macman is that he is content to do nothing and when he has done things, it's nothing really noteworthy. I do not know honestly.

He's actively posting nothing if that makes any sense. That's what bugs me and is making me okay with my better half's push on the slot. I am content to look elsewhere like Scary and I<3Giraffe.

 

[Jerkus]

although i will say that antagonizing frozen doesn't suit your slot very well

Eh if FF wants to have a go with us too then so be it. I'll be heading up that debate if it came down to it, but FF just irks me this game and his buddying of Zen read as disgenuine>town just wanting to buddy. Actually reminded me of what I did to JakeStan in Flavorless.

Not saying that FF is a candidate for toDay, but someone I want to talk to and have a conversation with. Mainly because I disagree with a lot that he has posted.

 

[Jerkus]

???

not sure how my recent post prompted this but ok

I asked how I could help you answer since this slot has the same role PM and can answer since technically we are the same person so you just shutting down an avenue of discussion when you have a problem with this slot is anti-town and therefore not fun because you are only interested in one side of this hydra. That's how your recent post prompted this.

Plus you are like 0 amounts of fun this game and tbqh no one is really that fun this game.

 

[Jerkus]

Oh 'cept Werekill. I am loving him personally.

 

[Jerkus]

My god, everyone in this game needs to get vigged. Why did you let me join a Large, J?

You came to me for the hydra! However, let's save our little debates for behind closed doors.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I do not feel Macman to be as super scummy as Circus does. *@Macman: Btw we are not having any hydra discrepancies and if we are we aren't posting them in thread so **** outta here with that* I feel Macman is a throwaway read, he is null but also the fact of the matter is he is anti-town and therefore can die for that reason alone because lately I am coming to the realization that when certain players are playing anti-town it is mainly because they are scum. Though I just got through dealing with a different shade of Macman in Zombies where he was wrong on quite a lot of reads and tunnel-headed, but now he is so placcid. That's the thing I dislike about Macman is that he is content to do nothing and when he has done things, it's nothing really noteworthy. I do not know honestly.

He's actively posting nothing if that makes any sense. That's what bugs me and is making me okay with my better half's push on the slot. I am content to look elsewhere like Scary and I<3Giraffe.

???

how am I actively posting nothing? i've given my reads and explained why I dislike your slot... have you read any of my posts since i caught up? are you doing some kind of scumblindness tactic? cuz like all i been wanting to know is why Circus felt so strongly about an iluv / mac connection... i mean ****'s not a hard question to answer and i don't think it's an unreasonable request, dunno why you're dodgin it

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I asked how I could help you answer since this slot has the same role PM and can answer since technically we are the same person so you just shutting down an avenue of discussion when you have a problem with this slot is anti-town and therefore not fun because you are only interested in one side of this hydra. That's how your recent post prompted this.

Plus you are like 0 amounts of fun this game and tbqh no one is really that fun this game.

lol what

i'm just asking circus to explain his thought process

 

[Jerkus]

???

how am I actively posting nothing? i've given my reads and explained why I dislike your slot... have you read any of my posts since i caught up? are you doing some kind of scumblindness tactic? cuz like all i been wanting to know is why Circus felt so strongly about an iluv / mac connection... i mean ****'s not a hard question to answer and i don't think it's an unreasonable request, dunno why you're dodgin it

I do not think you can read me like at all Mac, lmao. Like I think you just scum-google me almost Nich-style every game. I have read your posts and therefore the conclusion you should be drawing from my opinion on your slot being null is I got nothing out of your posts for me to help determine your alignment, therefore that's a whole lot of nothing to me yet you are active. Get it now?

Circus explained that he gets these theories sometimes that he feels strong about and he even mentioned that it was a hunch. Why are you choosing to ignore that he answered your question actually? I do not think it was a direct response to you but something posted towards Zen. It's D1, hunches get made and he was trying to get the ball rolling.

Plus I am not even trying to dodge anything, I even asked if I could answer anything for you and you pretty much said "Lol you're not Circus, **** outta here"

">_>

 

[Jerkus]

I am also crying internally with a smile because of the fact that Scary gave me a reads post and I got like nothing from it but popular opinion and saying "I am going to wait".

 

[#HBC | Mac]

what response?

you mean his post that i addressed in my #389 where he refuses to answer?

[quote="Zack Fair, post: 16915893, member: 123891"]
@[USER=214865]Jerkus
Please present your mac/iluv reasoning.

No. It's a simple manner of looking at the multiple times they have spoken to our referenced each other and reading it as insincere, compounded by the fact that I find both slots scummy individually. We're only lynching one slot at once, so there's no reason to put too much weight into a connection before either even flips.[/USER][/quote]

^ this one?

J honestly your posts don't scream scum to me, but circus's push including this did which is why I'm pushing your slot

 

[Jerkus]

You say you don't like Circus' push. Talk to me about how it is scummy and how it is uncharacteristic of Circus to push a read hard? I do not see why you should have a scum-read on Circus' post and to me it just seems lazy. You are not pushing this slot because you aren't even questioning us besides just prodding Circus to respond to something I swear I read he responded to.

Talk to me, scum-hunt on me if you need to and maybe we can find something to correct this discrepancy considering you are a null read to me and you may have us as scum, okay whatever that's not important to me. Let's talk about the triforce vote-squad on my slot. Tell me about Scary and I<3Giraffe. If you had to choose to vote one of them over us, who would it be and why? Tell me you say Ran is posting bad, but drop the meta for a second, what would you do then? What did you make of Scary's read post?

 

[Jerkus]

Okay double checked and yes the post your brought up is his response and is one I agree to. Yes it's a connection theory, therefore it is heavily dependent on flips and can be gone into on a later date because we could be wrong on a slot and therefore our theory goes out the window.

It's like my connection theory on Scary+Marshy in god i am bad at game names where due to the nature of their interactions/individual play I wanted to lynch them. Scary went first, flipped scum, and boom, lynched Marshy and it was current the theory. However, town can create theories that don't work out in the long run. I hate to be coy but I mean just look at nearly every TownRan case in most of his games.

You finding this scummy of Circus for not laying down every card, face up and for the whole world to see, is making me bite my lip because it's weird.

No one plays poker anymore it seems. I'm not even revealing all my cards in terms of reads but I am still being pretty open about them.

Blah, just blah to everything. However, I'm going to go digging for at some slots and see what I can come up with.