I am about halfway through my promised re-read, expect my post by the end of the night. Sorry again I had to delay it
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Monster Island Mafia- Game over! Town wins!
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better yet maybe you can reread and 1) see frozen explain the scummy things youre curious about and 2) pick up on my breadcrumbs
second quote is just a lame attempt to sling mud at me without considering context. frozen and jerkus have been making good points
enjoying how my breadcrumbs tells me whos skimming and whos paying attention
hey chaco. down to go scumnar?
Wouldn't oppose it.
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Are you honestly telling me that seeing Macman and Cacti talking about their willingness to switch to Scumfever was enough to stop you when your two towniest reads were full-blown VOTING him? Barring the last link, which is Macman actually voting for Scumfever, none of those posts mean squat. Even if you did think Cacti and Macman were most likely to be scum, why would their claims of being willing to lynch Scumfever while specifically avoiding doing so make you hesitant about lynching Scumfever? Why would that make Scumfever less likely to be scum in your eyes?
I'm simply saying that you are being far too persistent about Chaco being cleared cop. Despite your claimed open-mindedness, you are not considering the option that Chaco could be scum at all. You have cleared him already; that much is apparent. The connections between Chaco and Scumfever are there, but you ignore them, contending that Chaco's claim is too likely to be false. You are allowing a mafia game precedent to outweigh interpersonal relationships. This is specifically troubling because Chaco's claim will not be able to be verified unless he dies or we lynch a roleblocker that might not even exist. If we assume Chaco's claim to be true now, he could skate to the end of the game without us ever being the wiser. This is not the kind of situation you brush off with "scum wouldn't gambit like that; move on." And the fact that your current top suspects are the two people who simply disagree with you most strongly is quite telling, whether you like it or not. It seems to be very important to you that everyone should agree that Chaco is truly what he claims to be.
Or you don't have an adequate rebuttal. How is an audience to know which is the case? You either back yourself up or you concede; flippant responses like that do not win arguments. And remember, I'm not the only person you're talking to.
Allow me to rephrase then, since your interpretation of my statement is not at all what I meant.
While it is not at all known or suggested that we likely have multiple cops (indeed, I've been partially arguing a scenario in which we have NO cops), the idea of having multiple cops is not unheard of and, in fact, seems to be rather common in larger games. Because of that, Macman was right to suggest that a second cop not CC Chaco. If we have another cop and he were to CC town-Chaco, then we would have been presented with the false dichotomy of choosing either Chaco or his CC-er in order to lynch scum, possibly resulting in the lynches of both. That's a lot of unnecessary town death for little to no information. Macman was right, and your suspicion of him based on that was beyond reaching.
Frozen, here's something I noticed shortly after I made my last post. The reason you mistook your contradictory posts as being 306 and 477 instead of 429 and 477 is because I actually made the same mistake back in my 683. While I take full blame for being the first to make this mix up and now understand why you thought there were roughly 160 posts separating your contradictory posts rather than 48, this does tell me something—you are the one who is skimming. It seems that you didn't actually read the posts that I linked to in my 683 and merely glazed over my own text. Confirm/deny?
Chaco, I would at least like a response to my pending question if you're not going to respond to anything else: In which past games have I reeked of scum to you?
I'm not aware that I've played any past games with you...
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Oh yeah, Spidey, didn't remember that. Nah, I woudn't have cared enough to pay attention to you in it for two reasons:
1) I was scum near endgame, and
2) Kiki led me that game.
But yes, in the ongoing games your selective scuhunting reeks to me.
1) I was scum near endgame, and
2) Kiki led me that game.
But yes, in the ongoing games your selective scuhunting reeks to me.
Ok, re-read complete, time to post some things I noticed.
He then goes on to say that we should focus on the inactive people... Not sure why we would focus on people who are not likely to give us any good reads. Get them to post? Yes. But focusing on them not so much. He also doesn't vote, so I'm not sure how he expected to pressure anyone into posting here.
Next, this quote comes from Xonar's PbP of Tiger. Overall not the strongest case, but there was one line in particular that struck me.
Withholding my vote for now because I don't know the vote-count at the moment, but probably landing on Xonar. Depending on Xonar's flip I will likely follow through to either Circus or FF, but that's assuming nothing more changes throughout D2.
Looking at Xonar as I have today, this post stood out more to me. This came very early in the game referring to Gheb's posting restriction, and seemed very much like early rolefishing.I think everyone knew that by now. We can safely assume he has some kind of role to make up for it too! Like being able to do more RAWRs or something
We should chill down with quick lynch, no need to kill Blue_Yoshi yet, if we kill to fast we might miss out on evidence that would lead to a mafia lynch d1 (although I honestly doubt it)
As I re-read, Chibo stood out to me at points as well, especially during D1, this being one of the bigger ones. Discussion of a posting restriction doesn't help us scumhunt at all, and he seems to be shocked that someone would suggest scumhunting instead of talking about a restriction, a discussion which in no way leads us to finding scum.
Definitely didn't like this post by Xonar either, he essentially writes off his pseudo-rolefishing saying it was due to... Annoyance over font size? Not sure how that would lead to making it reasonable to fish for roles. The second paragraph just looks bad to me, although some of my thoughts on him may be tainted from my thoughts from today causing me to tunnel a bit.Yeah man, trying to make you not focus on us is done by me commenting about something obvious and un-ignore able done by him. It was gonna get commented on anyway sooner or later. I just stated my thoughts. I still think he's kinda avoiding it but explaining it could put him out in the open for the mafia.
and my comment about multiple RAWRs was just an overstatement because of the irritation caused by the small font (which is why its followed by a laughing smiley), we all know multiRAWRing is overpowered when combined with mafia.
I'll try to stop RAWRing so vague
This is him responding to Cacti telling him to stop talking about the doublevoter. Once again I find Xonar(on this one definitely, somewhat about Gheb's restriction) pushing discussion on a topic which can in no way lead to finding scum, and only waste towns time.
This post just confuses me. Starts out saying that we can lynch Chibo if we haven't found any scum, because he's anti-town, not scum. First of all not sure how that distinction was made, second of all it seems to be based on responses to Macman's 269, which in no way implied Chibo as anti-town, in fact said that Macman thought he was just playing stupid.
He then goes on to say that we should focus on the inactive people... Not sure why we would focus on people who are not likely to give us any good reads. Get them to post? Yes. But focusing on them not so much. He also doesn't vote, so I'm not sure how he expected to pressure anyone into posting here.
Post from Gheb that pretty much summed up everything I was thinking as I re-read D1 when it comes to Xonar. Not to mention, some of this(introducing/pushing discussion that has no solid basis) has continued into today. Just really thought Gheb hit the nail on the head here.im starting to get you as scummy. youd always say things like 'youre scummy because you post in a scum way' but you never substantiate these claims and you never explain where and why the person you mention is posting 'in a scum way'. as long as you fail to do so *you* are the one whos posting in a scum way because you introduce discussion that leads nowhere and has no solid basis. thats the conformist approach of a scumbag who is pseudo scumhunting to look credible.
additionally you are awfully defensive. when you have been asked questions you dont seem to like you were acusing the person asking of trying to make you look like a black sheep. by saying this you not only avoid the actual question but also seem to avoid legitimate discussion - which you have done quite a lot thus far. depending on toDays flip youll probably rise on my scumlist.
Next, this quote comes from Xonar's PbP of Tiger. Overall not the strongest case, but there was one line in particular that struck me.
While in the middle of analysis, he has quoted, I believe, almost every post of Tiger's. Then all the sudden he drops in "skip a few normal posts" referring to posts which apparently he couldn't find anything suspicious with. It makes his case look stronger if you aren't reading carefully, and more importantly makes it seem like he's actively trying to find scumminess in Tiger's posts, not trying to form a complete opinion. Considering Tiger was one of the top contests for Scumfever's lynch yesterday, and this was made as the deadline was approaching, it seems almost as if he was trying to put Tiger in the worst light possible, potentially to lower chances of Scumfever getting lynched.
I really don't like this defense. I don't think of Blue as being very scummy, but I also feel that this post was terrible. He is openly stating that instead of thinking for himself, he wanted someone to decide for him, and when no one would he felt he would make a 3 way tie in the votes presumably to force someone to decide for him.
This piece of Frozen's post really, really sounds stupid to me. He sounds like he's trying to make Marshy suspect over the worst point ever. Especially the bolded(emphasis mine). If he was bussing the GF day 1, he would obviously know about the roleblocker because only scum can bus other scum. I'd really like this explained by FF, because this reminds me of some of the things I've seen him do to discredit as scum. So, FF, why is it suspicious that he would say such a thing when talking about BUSSING(which means he is mafia, and therefore WOULD know those facts in the hypothetical that was presented at the time), especially considering by the time these posts were referred to Chaco had already claimed role-blocked so even town would see it as likely?
This is a lot like what Gheb mentioned in his post I quoted above. Talking about how people are presenting you in a negative light and how you "don't get it" when the reason isn't presenting the possibility, but your incessant pushing of it instead of saying "well, just keep it in mind and let's look around."
A little something that bugs me about this post: He calls out Chaco for calling out people other than scumfever who was "staring us right in the face from the beginning," yet then continues to say that we couldn't act on it because he was V/LA and neglecting the fact that Circus predominately ignored Scumfever as well. Seems like he's casting suspicion on someone for something that he both gives a reason for it to not be nearly as suspicious, and something in which he was as bad or worse than the person he's calling out. Not to mention the fact that Scumfever wasn't "staring us right in the face" because if he was, I'm pretty sure there would have been more than four votes to his lynch.
Agree with this pretty much.
Cacti, this has been explained several times, it's not the fact that he "presented the possibility" it's that he felt the need to constantly push the idea instead of presenting it and leaving it be. Hopefully added to my post and the stuff I brought up that I now noticed, you can see where people would be suspicious of him.
Withholding my vote for now because I don't know the vote-count at the moment, but probably landing on Xonar. Depending on Xonar's flip I will likely follow through to either Circus or FF, but that's assuming nothing more changes throughout D2.
Are you honestly telling me that not being cautious who OPENLY STATED THEIR WILLINGNESS TO SWITCH THEIR VOTE IF THE OTHER WAGONS WEREN'T MOVING IN A NEAR DEADLINE SITUATION was an unreasonable thing to do? Really dude? Also, who are you to tell me what I should and should not be comfortable doing? Furthermore, of course I weigh the opinions of those I think who are scum more than those who I think are town. Town players can be mistaken and often are. Scum players KNOW who is town and who isn't, and therefore, are often much more deliberate with their votes. You can learn a LOT more from a confirmed scum than you can from a confirmed townie. Obviously, if two scummy players are willing to lynch someone in the early game, that person is MUCH more likely to be town than in the late game. Bussing someone day one is really, really dumb IMO. It's the easiest day to cause a mislynch and it's tough to build cases from the material that usually does get discussed. So yeah, obviously if I thought Macman and Cacti were scum, I would be VERY hesitant to lynch who they were ok lynching. How does that not make sense to you?
Furthermore, they weren't avoiding lynching him at all. They openly stated willingness to switch to him if their wagons were dying at the time. They simply had multiple targets they were willing to lynch but didn't have the capacity to vote for both of them. Where the hell are you getting "deliberately avoiding voting them" from?
I never said Chaco was 100% clear. Never said that once. And how do you know I'm not considering him as potential scum at all? Nothing I've posted suggests that I've ruled it out entirely. My entire point was that we shouldn't be constantly reconsidering his status and bringing it in to question over and over again. Right now, we should accept his claim and play with the POSSIBILITY IT MIGHT NOT TRUE IN MIND, but not as a major focus of discussion. Obviously, if Chaco remains constantly roleblocked into late game, isn't being productive, and other things don't match up, then his legitimacy would come into question. Better yet, we get the alleged mafia roleblocker killed and force chaco to produce to verify the claim. Point is, I'm not saying his claim CAN'T be wrong, I'm saying that right now, there's absolutely no reason to be over scrutinizing it and muddling other productive discussion by constantly questioning what should be easily accept atm.
I don't care if you agree with me about Chacos claim. It's just that there's not reason to be arguing against its veracity because there is NO CONTEXTUAL EVIDENCE to suggest that the claim might be false. Doing so is just distracting the town and over scrutinizing a likely reality. Be skeptical if you want, but don't push that agenda until we have more evidence that calls the likelihood of Chaco's claim into question.
If it's NOT obvious to people, they can simply ask for elaboration. If it's not obvious to you, ask for elaboration. I can easily provide it. Are you seriously trying to accuse me of dodging questions when I've answered everything you've posed thus far?
Where are you getting your statistics from? How many large games have you been in with multiple cops. In fact, how many games TOTAL have you been in with multiple cops? I personally have ever been in ONE. Let me tell you, multiple cops is NOT a common setup.
I'm not going to argue with you about cops not CCing each other in a multiple cop scenario. Obviously that can have disastrous results. You're just presenting a truism, congratulations. Furthermore, in a game with multiple cops, there are likely to be more than two. Thus, you'd have multiple CCs, which would then bring to light the fact that the game likely has multiple cops, which THEN would cause peopel to recognize the situation and not to employ the "lynch one then the other if he flips town" strategy.
I didn't skim at all. I saw you linked two posts 160 posts apart and your point was "inconsistency". It doesn't matter what you linked, the point was obviously faulty. And plus, I know what I've said, and I knew that you were completely incorrect in your assertions. So no, I didn't go back and re-read all of my old posts. Why would I waste my time? The way you tried to preset your point was absurd at best.
Stupid? More like entirely logical. Obviously bussing your GF in a game where you have a roleblocker is a prudent move. Thus, when Marshy was trying to argue that bussing the GF WOULDN'T be one, I argued the contrary. If you were mafia and there was a roleblocker in your group, you KNOW it would be safe to bus your GF. Thus, Marshy's willingness to bus JF doesn't buy him townie points. Not sure what your point is here.Mentosman8 said:
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hahahaha. Frozen, you just spun that so hard I've definitely got some red flags going up. Let me link to the original posts here:
Marshy's 556
Marshy clearly states that after Chaco claimed bussing an assumed GF would be a good move. You retort with the post I quoted that you just responded to here:
Frozen's 581
Here is the post I quoted. For those of you who didn't pick up on it when I posted the quote in my gigantic post(really there's only one section of the post worth anything and it's what I quoted), Frozen asks why you would bus the GF after a cop claim, makes it sound like a bad idea, but says it's only viable if you know there's a roleblocker, which town wouldn't be able to know until after N1. The most important point is how he tries to make Marshy look suspicious for the idea he apparently now came up with, despite Marshy saying it first and Frozen saying those on the ScumFever lynch were almost clear(contrary to the idea he now claims as his). Look at the following line:
Here you subtly push suspicion on Marshy or saying this, saying he is suggesting he knew about the roleblocker before D1... What? His post was made after Chaco had claimed roleblocked. Marshy's comment(which remember, Frozen now apparently agrees with, and came up with the idea) was based on publicly available info(as I said, Chaco had already claimed roleblocked, way back in 496 a full 60 posts before Marshy's comment), and completely reasonable, yet FF clearly puts a subtle push of suspicion on him over it.
Also important to note: The post I put there of Marshy's isn't his first mention of the idea: He also does so in 524. In Frozen's one post between the two, he says nothing about it, but when Marshy's second post on the subject comes up he suddenly takes issue with it.
Starting to get more okay with a Frozen lynch unless he has a **** good explanation for his response to me for entirely manipulating what happened to how he wanted to portray it. Frozen: I've seen you twist arguments before as scum, specifically in FF7 as my partner, and to some extent in Simpsons. Here you do it again saying Marshy was arguing the opposite of what he said, and that he "shouldn't get brownie points" for his willingness to bus a GF. So, a couple questions to be asked:
1. Why did you try to cast subtle suspicion on Marshy making a comment, which you apparently fully agree with, saying that he needed "benefit of the doubt" that it wasn't a slip, especially since it was based on publicly available info?
2. Why did you now adjust things that Marshy was arguing it wasn't a good move, and you were arguing it was, when the posts clearly show different intentions on your part and Marshy saying he did think it was good.
EBWOP After the quote it should say "blahblah on Marshy FOR saying this" not or saying this. My f key is all jacked up.
for the record i think if one of frozen/scumnar is scum then the other is not scum with them cuz frozen doesnt bus like this
what do people think of chibo? had a town read earlier but his play today makes me think that he badly deserves to just be vigged
what do people think of chibo? had a town read earlier but his play today makes me think that he badly deserves to just be vigged
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
About the tigerwoods thing, it was pretty much the same as this situation, except that I got less attention. I'm trying to present options, expect more of it from me in mafia games around here.
Yes, it's true that I pushed it, and maybe a little bit to hard. The problem is if you say 'Well lets just keep it in mind and go on' it often won't be keeped in mind at all. And if people comment on my comment, I rather elaborate instead of ignoring them.
@FF: I see your point, the situation favors the general assumption, which I already admitted multiple times. I can't defend against that, it's the truth, you're more likely to be right.
Try not to see it as doubt, see it as options.
But I do honestly think you're pushing on this lynch a bit too hard for me to still consider you a misguided townie.
@mentos, large post quote incoming ^^
About the focus on inactive people, the whole point was that they should contribute more, as there are enough good players that weren't posting at the time.
I didn't vote because a single vote is no threat at all, which I posted about before (IIRC).
On ghebs post there, look at my reply, that pretty much explains it I guess. Also I always invite anyone to ask questions or present cases against me if I'm unclear in their eyes.
On the tigerwoods post, yes I did skip those posts because they were just normal posts. It was a case against tigerwoods, not for him. At the time I did think he was more scummy then Fever, thus I wanted him dead.
I hope that clears up things. I will still claim to prevent my lynch, if it's really pushed that far.
Yes, it's true that I pushed it, and maybe a little bit to hard. The problem is if you say 'Well lets just keep it in mind and go on' it often won't be keeped in mind at all. And if people comment on my comment, I rather elaborate instead of ignoring them.
@FF: I see your point, the situation favors the general assumption, which I already admitted multiple times. I can't defend against that, it's the truth, you're more likely to be right.
Try not to see it as doubt, see it as options.
But I do honestly think you're pushing on this lynch a bit too hard for me to still consider you a misguided townie.
@mentos, large post quote incoming ^^
Well, early rolefishing is (almost) never effective, not even for scum. Yeah you can see it as a minor form of rolefishing. but honestly, taking it that serious with a superhappy smiley in the post? Meh, maybe I shouldn't john with smileys
I wrote off the 'rolefishing' (I didn't see it like that back then, but looking back at it I can see why it's considered rolefishing) by saying that there would be comments on it sooner or later, I'd rather have it sooner then later, especially because later might end up being rather inconvenient.
You're misunderstanding the post, I wasn't pushing discussion, I was elaborating on my point, for people to discuss it is their decision. it was true, too, pointing it out can't be negative.
It wasn't really a reaction to 269, more a reaction to Chibos posts. I thought at the time that Chibo was anti-town, don't know why I noted that he ain't scum though, eheh...
About the focus on inactive people, the whole point was that they should contribute more, as there are enough good players that weren't posting at the time.
I didn't vote because a single vote is no threat at all, which I posted about before (IIRC).
On ghebs post there, look at my reply, that pretty much explains it I guess. Also I always invite anyone to ask questions or present cases against me if I'm unclear in their eyes.
On the tigerwoods post, yes I did skip those posts because they were just normal posts. It was a case against tigerwoods, not for him. At the time I did think he was more scummy then Fever, thus I wanted him dead.
I hope that clears up things. I will still claim to prevent my lynch, if it's really pushed that far.
yea, i dont think id wanna waste a lynch on him, but vig shooting him wud be cool.
ive skimmed the last few long posts, ill read them in a bit.
Kirbyoshi
Smash Apprentice
Chibo is so neutral right now it hurts.
I would suggest that Marshy, Frozen, Mentos, and Chaco please stop bickering. I don't want any TvTvTvT arguments, ok?
Xonar or Circus is def the play for toDay.
I would suggest that Marshy, Frozen, Mentos, and Chaco please stop bickering. I don't want any TvTvTvT arguments, ok?
Xonar or Circus is def the play for toDay.
Agree with this fully. This is what I meant with my final conclusions in that large post about depending on Xonar's flip we should look strongly at Circus or FF tomorrow. Xonar's still my primary lynch choice however I'm pretty sure. Frozen's last post is making me question it though.
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Shocodoro Blagshidect
Elaborate please?
smashman90
Smash Lord
Rawr Count:
Frozenflame: Xonar, Circus (2)
Marshy: Cacti, (1)
Chibo: Macman (1)
Xonar: Kirbyoshi, Frozenflame, Marshy (4)
Not Rawring:Mentos, Chibo, Chaco, Blue Yoshi, TigerWoods (4)
With 12 people, it takes 7 votes to lynch. Remember the deadline is January 2nd.
Frozenflame: Xonar, Circus (2)
Marshy: Cacti, (1)
Chibo: Macman (1)
Xonar: Kirbyoshi, Frozenflame, Marshy (4)
Not Rawring:Mentos, Chibo, Chaco, Blue Yoshi, TigerWoods (4)
With 12 people, it takes 7 votes to lynch. Remember the deadline is January 2nd.
TigerWoods
Smash Champion
o_o
Every post I read clashed with the post before it. *mindgamed
Scum is doing a good job of shrouding themselves.
Though Kirby... I don't like your post. I don't like it at all. Why are you dismissing the rest of them as scum?? How is Xonar or Circus standing out farther to you than the others?
Every post I read clashed with the post before it. *mindgamed
Scum is doing a good job of shrouding themselves.
Though Kirby... I don't like your post. I don't like it at all. Why are you dismissing the rest of them as scum?? How is Xonar or Circus standing out farther to you than the others?
Mentos, I'm really ****ing confused with what you're saying right now.
Marshy and I both said that bussingyour GF in a game with a cop is only prudent if the mafia has a roleblocker.
All I said was that the way Marshy PRESENTED this idea suggested that he had knowledge of a roleblocker in the game PRIOR to Chaco's claimed roleblockedness. There's NO evidence that he actually knew that, all I was saying was the way he choose to express it made it seem like a roleblocker being in the game was readily available knowledge to him Day 1, and thus was presenting the situation in a retrospective manner, i.e. arguing the immediate prudence of bussing a GF after a cop claim on D1.
Regardless though, my other point was that that bussing tactic wouldn't do much good for the scum considering the small number of voters involved in the lynch, and the fact that Chaco revealing the presence of a roleblocker the next day would allow the town to realize that voting for the GF doesn't necessitate town alignment because of the potential prudence of bussing.
I happen to believe a good scum team wouldn't sacrifice their GF to a deadline-lynch just to put the townieness of those who lynched Jungle into question. That's not a very significant gain over the loss incurred IMO.
Does this make any more sense now? Like I seriously don't understand what we're even really arguing here.
Marshy and I both said that bussingyour GF in a game with a cop is only prudent if the mafia has a roleblocker.
All I said was that the way Marshy PRESENTED this idea suggested that he had knowledge of a roleblocker in the game PRIOR to Chaco's claimed roleblockedness. There's NO evidence that he actually knew that, all I was saying was the way he choose to express it made it seem like a roleblocker being in the game was readily available knowledge to him Day 1, and thus was presenting the situation in a retrospective manner, i.e. arguing the immediate prudence of bussing a GF after a cop claim on D1.
Regardless though, my other point was that that bussing tactic wouldn't do much good for the scum considering the small number of voters involved in the lynch, and the fact that Chaco revealing the presence of a roleblocker the next day would allow the town to realize that voting for the GF doesn't necessitate town alignment because of the potential prudence of bussing.
I happen to believe a good scum team wouldn't sacrifice their GF to a deadline-lynch just to put the townieness of those who lynched Jungle into question. That's not a very significant gain over the loss incurred IMO.
Does this make any more sense now? Like I seriously don't understand what we're even really arguing here.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
I like FF's post 733, a lot of it makes sense
I don't understand this at all, pretty much all 3 parts of it lol
Kirbyoshi
Smash Apprentice
Chibo, the first part is to be taken just as it sounds.
Marshy's breadcrumbing and Chaco's claim make it pretty obvious they're town, imo. I would consider Frozen and Mentos to be very town-ish, but not 100% confirmed yet. Not finding anything scummy in the big foray that involves those 4.
The case on Xonar has been stated over and over and over, and despite any sort of defense he tries to make, I, for one, am still thinking he's scum. Circus for mostly the same reasons, but I don't feel quite as strongly about Circus as I do about Xonar.
Marshy's breadcrumbing and Chaco's claim make it pretty obvious they're town, imo. I would consider Frozen and Mentos to be very town-ish, but not 100% confirmed yet. Not finding anything scummy in the big foray that involves those 4.
The case on Xonar has been stated over and over and over, and despite any sort of defense he tries to make, I, for one, am still thinking he's scum. Circus for mostly the same reasons, but I don't feel quite as strongly about Circus as I do about Xonar.
kirbyoshi
say im town please
say im town please
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Why do people say things like what you just did Mac... what is it supposed to mean
TigerWoods
Smash Champion
Probably along the lines of:
Your analysis is really credible! Tell me I'm a townie!
Your analysis is really credible! Tell me I'm a townie!
Kirbyoshi
Smash Apprentice
Not sure what to think of Mac either, but his neutrality (and that of Tiger, though I'm leaning more town on Tiger) is not nearly as painful as Chibo's.
I know it probably hasn't been that long in RL, but it's been several pages since Blue posted, hasn't it?
I know it probably hasn't been that long in RL, but it's been several pages since Blue posted, hasn't it?
Kirbyoshi
Smash Apprentice
Read: Last time Blue posted, it was quarter of 4 Saturday morning, EST (it's now noon on Thursday).
@mod: Prod Blue plx?
TigerWoods
Smash Champion
>_>
I can understand a minor maybe 1% chance of me being mafia Kyoshi...
But really...
I'm weary of voting for xonar... but even if he flips town then the people on his wagon will have their fate sealed.
What do the rest of you think?
I can understand a minor maybe 1% chance of me being mafia Kyoshi...
But really...
I'm weary of voting for xonar... but even if he flips town then the people on his wagon will have their fate sealed.
What do the rest of you think?
I just wanna see a flip
nah mean?
nah mean?
Kirbyoshi
Smash Apprentice
@Tiger: lol. It's more than 1, but much less than 50, so you're good.
Weary=tired. Are you tired of voting for Xonar?
I think he's the most likely to be scum out of anyone left.
@Mac: Or a claim. But of course, in this game, someone could claim "Pumpkin that shoots lasers out of its @$$" and I'd believe it.
Weary=tired. Are you tired of voting for Xonar?
I think he's the most likely to be scum out of anyone left.
@Mac: Or a claim. But of course, in this game, someone could claim "Pumpkin that shoots lasers out of its @$$" and I'd believe it.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Well the problem with me claiming to prevent my lynch is that it will probably hold no power because
1. this game has weird-*** roles
2. it is not a role like doc which can be CC'd
3. even if it can be CC'd, there is a high chance it won't because the set-up is probably way strange
3a. if it is CC'd, that won't say a thing as there can be multiple roles of pretty much everything except independent stuff
4. it's just before my lynch, that doesn't quite add extra credibility
1. this game has weird-*** roles
2. it is not a role like doc which can be CC'd
3. even if it can be CC'd, there is a high chance it won't because the set-up is probably way strange
3a. if it is CC'd, that won't say a thing as there can be multiple roles of pretty much everything except independent stuff
4. it's just before my lynch, that doesn't quite add extra credibility
TigerWoods
Smash Champion
Lol. I am so weary that I put weary instead of putting WARY. >_>
claim fool wtf
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
if enough people want me to...
youre the lynch. deadlines in 2 days. claim or die
no do it now. dont make me wait now tht ive decided i wanna see you it. you are going to et lynched soon, the sooner yu claim the better