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[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Everyone must love getting infractions right? Day 1.1

1. Vinyl. [0]
2. The Paprika Killer [0]
3. John2k4 [0]
4. Teran [0]
5. Auspher [0]
6. Gustave [0]
7. JO_OEY [0]
8. RocketPSIence [0]
9. T-Block [0]
10. Kantrip [0] John2k4,
11. Raziek [0] Kantrip, Vinyl.,

Note Voting: The Paprika Killer, John2k4, Teran, Auspher, Gustave, JO_OEY, RocketPSIence, T-Block, Raziek,

Deadline is set to November 20th 11:59 PM CST. It takes 6/11 to lynch.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Damnit guys stop posting at your ungodly American times, not giving me any opportunity to join in on the fun.

vote: Auspher

ITS ALL I GOT MAN

 

[T-block]

Why do people have this compulsive need to throw an RVS vote, even if RVS is over by the time they enter the game?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Quite simple. I feel disadvantaged if I don't get my little bit of RVS fun . You guys were so quick with it that I had no shine of a chance.

Because you asked so nicely, I'll post some of my thoughts after I've had dinner.

 

[Teran]

Why do people have this compulsive need to throw an RVS vote, even if RVS is over by the time they enter the game?

To nullify the 4 pages of inconsequential circular bull**** that we didn't bother to read.

Oh God, now that reminds me I have to read it all, I hate all of you.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Regarding the inconsequential circular bull**** of the previous pages;

T-block made a claim which was obviously meant to get a reaction. He got a reaction, from Raziek. I don't think his claim added any WIFOM at all, really. The WIFOM was already implied the moment T-block signed up for the game. Anyone who's played with T-block before should know that scum can either choose to let him live N1 and 'force' a mislynch, because we think he's scum. A player like him usually shouldn't survive N1, wether someone says it at the start of D1 or not.

The WIFOM shouldn't bother people, and especially not Raziek, someone who has had expierence with T-block (I ASSUME). Quick question Raziek, to see if I'm right. What's your previous expierence with T-block like?

I'm gonna have to back up my scumbuddy T-block in you two's back and forth. You started out concerned about scum using this WIFOM, and then it was about his reason for claiming. Not very consistent. Also, the question of who was easy to mislynch is a silly question. If someone who's an easy mislynch, you should just speak up and voice your concerns, instead of asking what the strongest player thinks about this BEFORE any cases arise.

Yes Raziek, that may be true.

Why bring up TPK though? Why are you calling me a funny guy and ending the conversation now? I was sure it was going somewhere and I was developing a read on you. I expected you to carry on with your absurd follow-up questions. What made you stop?

I want to emphasize this post, it were exactly my thoughts when I read Raziek's #91. Raziek, your answer didn't suffice for me. You can post content. Shallow content. That's still not deep content. You don't have to answer this, because I really dislike this abstract nitpicking about deep and shallow content.

Uhhh, anything I missed...?

Raziek claims he could make an actual push on me from what has happened so far, but implies that he doesn't want to - this suggests that his play is not focused on hunting scum

Disagree, I think he's trying to gather information, a buttload of it. He's asked more questions so far than all of us combined I'd say. His play isn't focused on scumhunting YET, yes, but none of us can scumhunt YET. You need information for scumhunting.


I'm content with my vote on Auspher at the moment.

 

[T-block]

ilu2bby <3

 

[Raziek]

Hang on one sec:

You keep changing your reasoning on me. Nothing in your earlier posts suggests that you disliked the lack of pro-town motive for my claim. In fact, everything suggests that you were indeed worried about scum being able to do things with my post. I thought it was cute that you were so concerned about me scum pushing my lynch =(

Take a look:

So, if your concern this whole time was about my reason for claiming, how do you explain the quotes in the collapse box?

The very first posts I made were to that effect, but I clarified that further in the third post, before we even got into the thick of things.

No. I already made it clear, T-Block. Under all cases, your statement causes both Pro-Town and Pro-Scum effects.

If you're VT, Scum can mislynch you later. Pro-Scum. If you're VT and they kill you, Town gains.

If you're a PR, you've likely drawn enough WIFOM for someone to kill you just to clear the air. Either your PR hides behind the curtain of WIFOM (pro-Town), or you die. (Pro-Scum)

The only way this benefits you is if you're scum, because now Town has to consider the above possibilities, because you've precluded any intent of your play by claiming VT.

I've played with TPK in Disco 3, Teran in Death Note (albeit briefly), John in Majora's, Kantrip in Majora's, and I'm pretty sure I've played with Joey at SOME point.

If you think my questions are garbage, YOU are going to tell me why, or you're going to answer them.

My primary issue was that there is very little pro-Town intent behind your claim. As I already made clear, scum being able to push a bad case was a side tangent that wasted entirely too much time, and has apparently detracted completely from what my original issue with things was, which was the lack of pro-Town motive.

I have no issue with that.

However, if I'm null to you, as I supposedly am right now, then you would evaluate any case presented on me logically, no? If you'd let me defend it to try to read me, that's fine - you can rephrase my original question to "you know I'd be able to tear a bad case to shreds, no?"

Anyways, I think a break would be good, just so the other players don't get overwhelmed coming in here.

This I agree with.

 

[Raziek]

Regarding the inconsequential circular bull**** of the previous pages;

T-block made a claim which was obviously meant to get a reaction. He got a reaction, from Raziek. I don't think his claim added any WIFOM at all, really. The WIFOM was already implied the moment T-block signed up for the game. Anyone who's played with T-block before should know that scum can either choose to let him live N1 and 'force' a mislynch, because we think he's scum. A player like him usually shouldn't survive N1, wether someone says it at the start of D1 or not.

The WIFOM shouldn't bother people, and especially not Raziek, someone who has had expierence with T-block (I ASSUME). Quick question Raziek, to see if I'm right. What's your previous expierence with T-block like?

I've played with T-Block plenty, at least 4 or 5 games I think. Not sure if we've ever been on the same faction though. That doesn't mean it can't annoy me when he does silly bull**** like claim VT in his first post. xD

I'm gonna have to back up my scumbuddy T-block in you two's back and forth. You started out concerned about scum using this WIFOM, and then it was about his reason for claiming. Not very consistent. Also, the question of who was easy to mislynch is a silly question. If someone who's an easy mislynch, you should just speak up and voice your concerns, instead of asking what the strongest player thinks about this BEFORE any cases arise.

I hope I made this clearer in the post I just made, but the scum using the WIFOM was a larger part of the overall "Lack of pro-Town motive", which was my original issue with it.

And I will admit those questions were loaded and antagonistic. I wanted to get things rolling quickly and see if T-Block would take the bait or not.

 

[T-block]

We were same faction in Ragnarok, and at least one other I'm sure. We do seem to get opposite alignments a shocking amount though.

If I told you I just wanted to get us out of RVS, would you be okay with the claim then?

 

[Raziek]

More ok with it, yeah. It certainly did that in a hurry. I detest RVS.

 

[T-block]

Cool. Shall we just go with that then? I don't want this Day to revolve too much around this.

Oh, we were also same faction in Gurren Lagann.

You know, I've always wondered... what do these roles actually do? Contract Hitman, Jester, Mime, Politician, Rogue, Siblings.

 

[Kantrip]

Interesting that Raz and T-block are agreeing to move on so easily.

I'll be noting how willing Raz was to accept it as trying to get out of RvS. He brought up that point before and said it wasn't good enough, and now suddenly it is?

Not buying it, but I'll let the Day move on.

 

[Raziek]

Yeah, it was a good way to get started, but it's better it doesn't centralize it.

Jesters win the game if they are lynched.

Siblings are usually linked Independents, as I've seen them. Similar to lovers.

Politicians steal a vote from a player during the night, and are bad for balance reasons.

Mimes are a faction of Jesters: I.e. They win if all of their members are lynched. Not good for balance.

I believe Contract Hitman can be paid in some way by either faction to perform a kill. Not sure on this one.

Not sure what a Rogue does.

 

[Raziek]

Kantrip, do you see any good reason to drag things out?

I don't, so I think it's time to move on now, since I wasn't satisfied earlier.

 

[T-block]

Where do you want to see this Day move, then, Kantrip?

I'm just expressing desire to move on from my claim. By all means continue to pressure me or Raziek if you feel so inclined.

 

[Kantrip]

No I don't. I never saw the point of it to begin with, though. That's why I find it strange that you're more willing to write it off now.

 

[Raziek]

Would it not be stranger if I refused to drop it?

 

[Kantrip]

No, it's more in the context.

The way you agreed to call it getting out of RVS when you wouldn't accept that before is what reeks to me.

I'd expect an agree to disagree kind of thing.

 

[Raziek]

Why does that reek, when continuing to drag things out now would make no sense? I already said that answer wasn't enough for me at the time I refused it, but I'm willing to accept it after having argued it further with no resolution.

Does that not more or less fit the definition of "Agree to disagree"?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Why ask now and here instead of looking it up in mafiawiki?

 

[Kantrip]

More ok with it, yeah. It certainly did that in a hurry. I detest RVS.

This looks different from what you are saying.

Why are you "more okay" with it?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Wow epic ninja'd, that was @132

 

[Raziek]

This looks different from what you are saying.

Why are you "more okay" with it?

As I've said quite a few times now, because it's apparent that it's not going to resolve in any other way. If I have to take a reason, that's the one I'm most ok with at this point.

 

[Deleted member]

man now I have to read all of this and stuff

 

[Raziek]

Imagine that. Having to read things in a mafia game. xD

 

[Vinylic.]

They bring up to good explaining. Thus, making a good vote.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Vinyl, do you have any personal reasons not mentioned to vote Raziek, or is it you agreeing with T-block?

 

[Vinylic.]

T-Block's reasoning is nice. I seek some truth there.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Truth in what?

 

[John2k4]

I like TB's reasoning too, since it seems quite thought out...
Hence why I was willing to (reluctantly) agree with his #98.

 

[Deleted member]

Sorry to be slacking on this...

Finals week.

 

[Kantrip]

John, show me T-Block's reasoning and what you like about it.

 

[T-block]

Vinyl, I know you're new, but I don't recall you being downright unintelligible last game. Can you start making sense please?

John, why did you feel the need to clarify that you agreed with me with reluctance?

 

[John2k4]

John, why did you feel the need to clarify that you agreed with me with reluctance?

Pretty much saying to Vinyl "I agree with him too".

Kanty, I'll address that in just a bit when I have more time.

 

[John2k4]

@Kanty - This:

Given the above, I'm going to make a statement here. I may or may not agree with it: Raziek claims he could make an actual push on me from what has happened so far, but implies that he doesn't want to - this suggests that his play is not focused on hunting scum

I agreed with his pointing out Raz's actions, where IMO he was saying: Raz is Bark not Bite with a TB push.

 

[Kantrip]

Okay.

Raziek can be scum until his scumhunting shows me otherwise or until I get a better scum read.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Damn I'm busy this week @_@

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I wonder if Premium will break again? Day 1.2

1. Vinyl. [0]
2. The Paprika Killer [0]
3. John2k4 [0]
4. Teran [0]
5. Auspher [1] Gustave,
6. Gustave [0]
7. JO_OEY [0]
8. RocketPSIence [0]
9. T-Block [0]
10. Kantrip [1] John2k4,
11. Raziek [2] Kantrip, Vinyl.,

Note Voting: The Paprika Killer, John2k4, Teran, Auspher, JO_OEY, RocketPSIence, T-Block, Raziek,

Deadline is set to November 20th 11:59 PM CST. It takes 6/11 to lynch.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Sorry to be slacking on this...

Finals week.

Damn I'm busy this week @_@

Oh my god can you please not sign up if you know you're going to be busy and slacking this game?

I know I'll be busy this week, but also make time for the mafia game. Don't just slack off on this...