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[T-block]

I meant half a game with Vinyl. btw. Can't communicate today for some reason.

Your questions are not only garbage - they're anti-town. You can tell me why so that you can pass it off as a mistake, or you can continue and be called scummy for it later.

In a Tetris match atm... more on the rest in a sec.

 

[Raziek]

Your questions are not only garbage - they're anti-town. You can tell me why so that you can pass it off as a mistake, or you can continue and be called scummy for it later.

In a Tetris match atm... more on the rest in a sec.

I'll continue, and let it be known that you've refused to answer my question for the second time.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Everyone has confirmed.

It is Day 1 now.

1. Vinyl. [0]
2. The Paprika Killer [0]
3. John2k4 [0]
4. Teran [0]
5. Auspher [0]
6. Gustave [0]
7. JO_OEY [0]
8. RocketPSIence [0]
9. T-Block [0]
10. Kantrip [0]
11. Raziek [0]

Note Voting: Vinyl., The Paprika Killer, John2k4, Teran, Auspher, Gustave, JO_OEY, RocketPSIence, T-Block, Kantrip, Raziek

Deadline is set to November 20th 11:59 PM CST. It takes 6/11 to lynch.

Note: I will now accept votes.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

T-Block's post was neutral. It's a silly WIFOM for everyone.

 

[Kantrip]

Vote: T-Block

Yeah.

 

[T-block]

If you're VT, Scum can mislynch you later. Pro-Scum.

This was true before I even posted. Scum STILL could have left me alive and tried to mislynch me later.

If you're VT and they kill you, Town gains.

Also true before I even posted. These two statements are therefore irrelevant to my question.

If you're a PR, you've likely drawn enough WIFOM for someone to kill you just to clear the air. Either your PR hides behind the curtain of WIFOM (pro-Town), or you die. (Pro-Scum)

Yes, either I live or I die - that much was obvious. You're not really answering my question.

Raziek thinks it'd be stupid for scum to leave T-block alive.
T-block posts.
Raziek thinks scum can now leave T-block alive.

I want to know how you can justify that change in thinking. You claim that now scum can leave me alive and push a mislynch on me. What I want to know is why couldn't they do that before I posted?

Can you start your answer with "Leaving you alive before you posted would not work because..."? Just to make sure you're actually answering the question.

The only way this benefits you is if you're scum, because now Town has to consider the above possibilities, because you've precluded any intent of your play by claiming VT.

Why does town have to consider those possibilities at all?

 

[T-block]

I'll continue, and let it be known that you've refused to answer my question for the second time.

Am I scum for not answering the questions?

 

[John2k4]

Um TB, those were from the Social Hour before the day started... I don't see why you're getting silly over them.

Vote: Kantrip
Of course he's scum, it's Kantrip, after all...

 

[Raziek]

You must be deliberately ignoring the implications of my words.

The reason pushing a mislynch is more viable NOW than before you claimed is because you have given scum a pretext on which to push the lynch. There is no longer a reason necessary. They bring this up, include some information that may or may not actually make you scummy as evidence, and bam, you're wagoned.

Again, to make it damn clear what I am saying. You have given scum a PRETEXT by which they can push your mislynch.

On TOP of that, you've also (as already mentioned), precluded any matching of your play with your intent by claiming VT.

Someone plays cautious all game, they get pushed to claim, they claim Doctor. Their intent supports their play.

You have already taken away the means to give support to your eventual ACTUAL claim by claiming VT right away, whether it is a gambit or not.

Am I scum for not answering the questions?

Did I say that? Am I voting you?

I didn't think so.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Vote: T-Block

Yeah.

Why?

Ten Chara

 

[Kantrip]

I am. This conversation is making him look MAD scummy.






:teehee:

 

[rPSIvysaur]

@people with Kantrip meta - is he usually this dumb?

 

[Raziek]

No, he's not.

Kantrip, I'd ALSO like to know why you voted.

What about T-Block's responses makes him scummy?

 

[John2k4]

It's the very start of D1 - everyone's usually a bit silly at this time.

He gets to srsbsnss as the game progresses.

 

[Raziek]

RVS ended the moment T-Block claimed VT. Serious faces on.

 

[John2k4]

I want to know why you two keep pursuing questions from pregame...

 

[Raziek]

You seem to be under the impression that nothing said in the pre-game matters.

You'd be wrong.

 

[Kantrip]

RVS doesn't end until I get a read on one player.

Maybe for others, but not for me. If claiming VT is wifom and everyone is still null, it is still RVS.

I hate having to explain my pressure vote thesis every game, but meh.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

I understand, but you could give a tiny bit of opinion on it, otherwise everyone's read on you is also null, thus not progressing the game.

 

[Raziek]

Bro-tip: Your pressure vote becomes meaningless the moment you reveal that it's a pressure vote.

Why, then, do you choose to pressure T-Block? Why by means of vote instead of questions?

And again, you already said it made him look scummy.

Tell me why. You dodged it by explaining why you voted, but not why he's scummy.

 

[Raziek]

Once more, with FEELING!

T-Block, answer my questions or tell me why they are anti-Town, as you believe.

 

[Kantrip]

Yeah I know it's meaningless now.

Calling him scummy was the pressure part.

I never thought that.

Unvote

 

[Raziek]

What were your long-term goals for that pressure?

Do you intend to continue your pressure on T-Block now that you've unvoted? Why or why not?

 

[Kantrip]

Long term goals? Having a read on him.

I won't be able to pursue the pressure now. Perhaps another time when he doesn't know if it's pressure or not.

Ipod typing sucks.

 

[Raziek]

How did you intend to obtain a read from him?

Why are you unable to pursue the pressure now?

 

[T-block]

Kantrip, provide reasoning or tell me why you seem to want to be in RVS.

You must be deliberately ignoring the implications of my words.

The reason pushing a mislynch is more viable NOW than before you claimed is because you have given scum a pretext on which to push the lynch. There is no longer a reason necessary. They bring this up, include some information that may or may not actually make you scummy as evidence, and bam, you're wagoned.

Again, to make it damn clear what I am saying. You have given scum a PRETEXT by which they can push your mislynch.

On TOP of that, you've also (as already mentioned), precluded any matching of your play with your intent by claiming VT.

Someone plays cautious all game, they get pushed to claim, they claim Doctor. Their intent supports their play.

You have already taken away the means to give support to your eventual ACTUAL claim by claiming VT right away, whether it is a gambit or not.

Do you honestly think that the pretext matters that much?

So, you think that scum could bring up my post as evidence against me, right? Let's run a thought exercise... pretend you're scum and you are trying to push my lynch. How would you use the fact that I mentioned a scum push for being alive in a case against me?

This might seem like a trap question, but it's really not - if you're town you should have nothing to hide. I need to see solid reasoning from you on this front before I can accept that you truly were bothered by my opening post.

And I don't really care about being able to match things with my play. That sort of approach is too compartmentalized in my opinion, and runs the risk of missing the bigger picture, which is town or scum.

Did I say that? Am I voting you?

I didn't think so.

Just checking.

You asked me who is a threat and who is an easy mislynch, and you asked it from perhaps the only player who's played with the entire player list. That information benefits scum more than it benefits town. If I see someone pushing what looks like an easy mislynch, I'll call it then and there, but there's no reason for town to have that information now. Knowing who I think are easy mislynches and who are scum threats puts out information that scum can use in a manipulative fashion. It points out which players to look at for actions to twist.

Agreed? If not, tell me how town benefits from this information.

 

[T-block]

I want to know why you two keep pursuing questions from pregame...

Man, why does it matter that things happened before the mod happened to post start of Day?

Pregame occurred with everyone having knowledge of their role. It matters.

 

[T-block]

Oh I missed a lot... be back after supper.

 

[Kantrip]

How did you intend to obtain a read from him?

Why are you unable to pursue the pressure now?

Gauging his reaction.

Because I already said it was only pressure so T-Block know it's not legitimate.

Why are you asking such simple questions with obvious answers?

 

[Kantrip]

@T-Block: I don't WANT to be in RVS. I just consider myself to be so until I have a read or something to go off of.

 

[Raziek]

Do you honestly think that the pretext matters that much?

So, you think that scum could bring up my post as evidence against me, right? Let's run a thought exercise... pretend you're scum and you are trying to push my lynch. How would you use the fact that I mentioned a scum push for being alive in a case against me?

This might seem like a trap question, but it's really not - if you're town you should have nothing to hide. I need to see solid reasoning from you on this front before I can accept that you truly were bothered by my opening post.

And I don't really care about being able to match things with my play. That sort of approach is too compartmentalized in my opinion, and runs the risk of missing the bigger picture, which is town or scum.

Pretext is everything. I'll take your little thought exercise.

You've already given me a pretext right now, in the form of your claim. Following from that is your refusal to answer my questions, and the fact that your claim has no definitively pro-Town purpose.

With those three things, I can form the basis of a weak case on you. From there, all I have to do is cherry-pick a few of your responses to paint you as scummy, band-wagon up a few votes, and then you're forced to claim. If you are VT and have no PR claim to save yourself, you die. If you ARE a PR, you've outed yourself by being forced to claim. Either way, Town loses, Scum gains.

Just checking.

You asked me who is a threat and who is an easy mislynch, and you asked it from perhaps the only player who's played with the entire player list. That information benefits scum more than it benefits town. If I see someone pushing what looks like an easy mislynch, I'll call it then and there, but there's no reason for town to have that information now. Knowing who I think are easy mislynches and who are scum threats puts out information that scum can use in a manipulative fashion. It points out which players to look at for actions to twist.

Agreed? If not, tell me how town benefits from this information.

Do you claim that your opinion holds more weight than those of the rest of the playerlist? I can easily ask the rest of the Town who they think are the threats. Withholding your opinion as if it holds crucial value is senseless, because you and I both know the answer to those questions anyway.

You and I are the only real threats in this game. There are multiple easy mislynched that will become apparent, and most of them are the DR players, as opposed to the DGamers like ourselves.

 

[Raziek]

Gauging his reaction.

What about his reaction would make your read on him lead one way or another?

Because I already said it was only pressure so T-Block know it's not legitimate.

Your view is shallow if you believe you cannot pressure just because you've announced it's pressure. All you need do is change the intent behind your play and the pressure will manifest of its own accord.

Why are you asking such simple questions with obvious answers?

Because you're not getting to the heart of your play in your answers to me. I seek to understand how you think at a deeper level, Kantrip.

 

[Kantrip]

Understand how I play? Pfft.

Being unpredictable is the only way I will be succesful. Scum won't be able to read VT from PR from Indy from opposing Mafia.

And whenever I get Mafia it will be harder to know.

How's THAT for long term?

Anyways I'll be at a computer later and I can answer better to things.
And

 

[T-block]

Vote: T-Block

Yeah.

I am. This conversation is making him look MAD scummy.






:teehee:

This isn't much in the way of pressure... the pressure was going to fail even before you said it was pressure. I thought it was RVS lol

 

[Kantrip]

Awesome. T-Block's town this game.

I'm not sure about Raziek, though.

 

[T-block]

Pretext is everything. I'll take your little thought exercise.

You've already given me a pretext right now, in the form of your claim. Following from that is your refusal to answer my questions, and the fact that your claim has no definitively pro-Town purpose.

With those three things, I can form the basis of a weak case on you. From there, all I have to do is cherry-pick a few of your responses to paint you as scummy, band-wagon up a few votes, and then you're forced to claim. If you are VT and have no PR claim to save yourself, you die. If you ARE a PR, you've outed yourself by being forced to claim. Either way, Town loses, Scum gains.

Focus on the first part. "You've already given me a pretext right now, in the form of your claim."

Type as if you were making a case on me. What would the point look like? "T-block is scummy because he claimed VT"? That's pretty weak, and I'm not scared of that at all. I hope you can provide something stronger than that, because I'm clearly missing what you're seeing.

Do you claim that your opinion holds more weight than those of the rest of the playerlist? I can easily ask the rest of the Town who they think are the threats. Withholding your opinion as if it holds crucial value is senseless, because you and I both know the answer to those questions anyway.

You and I are the only real threats in this game. There are multiple easy mislynched that will become apparent, and most of them are the DR players, as opposed to the DGamers like ourselves.

I do think my answer would be more valuable than that of others because I have actually played with the entire playerlist. However, that's not why I refuse to answer.

It's anti-town for ANYONE to answer that question for the reason I already provided: it's information that scum finds much more valuable than town does. You still didn't answer how this information would benefit town.

If you claim we both know the answer to the questions, why are you asking me?

I don't necessarily agree with your evaluation of the players by the way.

 

[John2k4]

Hey Kanty, why are you writing TB off as Town already?

 

[T-block]

He just wants to see how I'll react to being called town

Sup rPSI... it's been a while. Thoughts on me, Raziek, and Kantrip please?

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Neutral all atm, disliking Kantrip though, but not actually scummy, I just dislike him.

More later, but skyping bf now.

 

[Raziek]

Awesome. T-Block's town this game.

I'm not sure about Raziek, though.

How exactly did you come to this conclusion so quickly?