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[Pluvia]

But can somebody link to the post where Dooms first said he knew Chibo wasn't scum? The first I heard of it was that I told you so post.

 

[Kantrip]

Guus wont be awake, I'm only up because I don't have work tomorrow and this is the only time of the day I get peace to work out.

It's k, we have time. No rush.

Also, don't forget you have just as much chance as being scum as us. If not more due to the no investigation thihg.

Sure I have just as much "chance" statistically speaking, and if you believe I am the scum then you may go ahead and make the case. The no investigation thing is Guus being roleblocked.

Also nobody puts their vote anywhere until 3/4 of us agree on a lynch. Then we can all vote to make it happen.

 

[Kantrip]

What does this have ANYTHING to do with John?

Seriously. Are you just this dumb, this scum, or did looking over all of John's play just completely fly over your head?

Whoa, the flailing didn't take long.

Good question. What DOES this have to do with John? I hadn't even looked at any possible connections yet.

 

[Dooms]

Flaling? You're putting town up to stake with a lynch because T-block said so without looking at John's connections at all.

This is a textbook scum way to end the game by the way. Find the easiest thing to jump onto, push that until it convinces people, and win the game. Look back at John's play and try to find connections or get the hell out of this game through your lynch.

 

[Kantrip]

Stop, you're making me blush.

Do you see votes on you? As I said, we have time and we're going to use it. Aggression won't get you anywhere, my friend. You think I'm scum? That's fine. Make a case on me as I will most likely do to you. Maybe we can get it to Me VS You as the possible scum. Or do you think it's Pluvia? I'm interested, as you're just going all OMGUS up in here.

 

[Kantrip]

But sure I can do the connection thing now if you want. I was about to start an ISO anyways.

 

[Dooms]

Stop, you're making me blush.

Do you see votes on you? As I said, we have time and we're going to use it. Aggression won't get you anywhere, my friend. You think I'm scum? That's fine. Make a case on me as I will most likely do to you. Maybe we can get it to Me VS You as the possible scum. Or do you think it's Pluvia? I'm interested, as you're just going all OMGUS up in here.

Contradiction time~

Scum.



T-block was right. He said on Chibo's town flip this should be looked at. Well, T-block is dead now, so I'll be doing the looking.

Alright, I'm done looking.

Dooms is scum. I'll hold off my vote to see if Mr. Wiggles the Worm and Pluvia agree with this.

You don't say ANYTHING about using time here, and this was your most recent post before the first quoted. All you say is that I'm scum and you're going to wait for thoughts from Guus and Pluvia.

 

[Dooms]

most recent post relating to the lynch, unless you count waiting on Guus to wake up as "we're going to use it".

 

[Dooms]

"Alright, I'm done looking."

Could also be bolded as a contradiction, since "I'm done looking" is the complete of "We have time and we'll use it."

Why did you not look at connections with John BEFORE I told you to do so? You just quoted T-block and said "Yeah this guy is definitely the lynch" and said that you were done looking and WANTED TO END THE DAY RIGHT THERE.

 

[Dooms]

*complete opposite of

Wow my post count is going to boost because I keep on finding typos, which makes me want to add more stuff XD.

 

[Kantrip]

I'm laughing, hold on. I need to go pee now, I'll be back to respond in a sec.

 

[Kantrip]

Contradiction time~




You don't say ANYTHING about using time here, and this was your most recent post before the first quoted. All you say is that I'm scum and you're going to wait for thoughts from Guus and Pluvia.

I said to Pluvia that we have time. We aren't lynching in a hurry, and if you honestly thought that I was suggesting another quicklynch then you should go reach somewhere else. Can you even read.

"I'll hold off my vote..." implies that I am going to hold off my vote. You know, like, NOT use it? Guess what "...until Mr. Wiggles the Worm and Pluvia agree with this" means? It means I am going to wait until they agree with it!

Wow, imagine that. What am I saying here? I am saying that we are not placing votes until we all agree on a lynch target. But yeah, I'm probably rushing a quicklynch.

 

[Kantrip]

"Alright, I'm done looking."

Could also be bolded as a contradiction, since "I'm done looking" is the complete of "We have time and we'll use it."

Why did you not look at connections with John BEFORE I told you to do so? You just quoted T-block and said "Yeah this guy is definitely the lynch" and said that you were done looking and WANTED TO END THE DAY RIGHT THERE.

Read the post again.

"T-block was right. He said on Chibo's town flip this should be looked at. Well, T-block is dead now, so I'll be doing the looking.

Alright, I'm done looking."

Anyone with a brain can tell that the bolded are all referring to the same thing, right? Right. Well then, what was I referring to? Oh yeah, that statement you made about lynching Chibo and then lynching Glyph if Chibo flips town. They were they both town and that would have caused a town loss. When I was talking about "looking", I was referring to when T-block said that statement should be looked at. That context should be pretty clear from the post.

"THIS SHOULD BE LOOKED AT".

"T-BLOCK IS DEAD, SO I'LL BE DOING THE LOOKING."

"I'M DONE LOOKING."

Guess what I was talking about? That's right. That one statement about lynching Chibo then Glyph. I am by no means done looking at this game in general as you are implying that's what I meant.

 

[Dooms]

You're trying to defend against my point by walking around it.

You were completely fine with ending the day with my lynch without looking back onto John for connections AT ALL. The only reason why you even said you were going to wait is because Wiggles isn't awake. That's the only reason. Not to look at connections, sense based on your "dooms is scum!" post, you think that this will magically be enough to pull in Pluvia and Mr. Wiggles for my lynch.

 

[Kantrip]

You're trying to defend against my point by walking around it.

You were completely fine with ending the day with my lynch without looking back onto John for connections AT ALL. The only reason why you even said you were going to wait is because Wiggles isn't awake. That's the only reason. Not to look at connections, sense based on your "dooms is scum!" post, you think that this will magically be enough to pull in Pluvia and Mr. Wiggles for my lynch.

Prove it.

Because this is very far from the truth.

 

[Dooms]

Read the post again.

"T-block was right. He said on Chibo's town flip this should be looked at. Well, T-block is dead now, so I'll be doing the looking.

Alright, I'm done looking."

Anyone with a brain can tell that the bolded are all referring to the same thing, right? Right. Well then, what was I referring to? Oh yeah, that statement you made about lynching Chibo and then lynching Glyph if Chibo flips town. They were they both town and that would have caused a town loss. When I was talking about "looking", I was referring to when T-block said that statement should be looked at. That context should be pretty clear from the post.

"THIS SHOULD BE LOOKED AT".

"T-BLOCK IS DEAD, SO I'LL BE DOING THE LOOKING."

"I'M DONE LOOKING."

Guess what I was talking about? That's right. That one statement about lynching Chibo then Glyph. I am by no means done looking at this game in general as you are implying that's what I meant.

This STILL doesn't defend against my main point at all. All you've said is that "Oh, yeah, I was only looking at that one thing, that's why I said I was done looking", when I added that part in there as a secondary effect, since when it's ADDED with the first, there is obviously something going on. Breaking it apart and trying to defend each point separately won't do much for you. Why would you call me scum and say that you're willing to lynch me if those are the ONLY TWO THINGS you had to back it up?

 

[Dooms]

Scum.



T-block was right. He said on Chibo's town flip this should be looked at. Well, T-block is dead now, so I'll be doing the looking.

Alright, I'm done looking.

Dooms is scum. I'll hold off my vote to see if Mr. Wiggles the Worm and Pluvia agree with this.

This post is ALL of the proof that I need. You CLEARLY say that you're willing to lynch me as soon as Pluvia and Wiggles agree. You don't mention looking into John and you don't care about the others. You only show interest in calling me scum because of what T-block said and one statement about me being right with Chibo.

 

[Kantrip]

Players I would be okay with choosing toDay:
Gustave
Teran
Auspher
Kantrip

I'm reading through John's post for connections.

As of this post, John has referenced most people at least once (though he really hasn't done a thing).

Dooms is not one of the mentioned.

Continuing the read now.

 

[Kantrip]

You still have nothing suggesting that I was advocating a quicklynch. That is pretty absurd in MyLo and I can't believe you are suggesting I would be that impotent as scum.

 

[Kantrip]

Period of time after the lynch, but before the night/flip for final words from people.

Hurrah! A milestone! This is the first post in which John2k4 addresses Dooms. Oh wait, it's just a fluffy tidbit of game info on something that Dooms already knew about? Dang. Moving on.

 

[Dooms]

Hurrah! A milestone! This is the first post in which John2k4 addresses Dooms. Oh wait, it's just a fluffy tidbit of game info on something that Dooms already knew about? Dang. Moving on.

>implying that scum mates never post things about one another in thread.

You're kidding me, right?

 

[Dooms]

You still have nothing suggesting that I was advocating a quicklynch. That is pretty absurd in MyLo and I can't believe you are suggesting I would be that impotent as scum.

Yes I have. LOL.

Look at what I posted just a few posts above yours. If you want, I'll quote it for you. How does that not show that you're fine with lynching me without looking into connections with John, which leads to a very high chance of mislynching since you're not even trying to connect me to the scum at all.

 

[Kantrip]

Vote: Glyph

Damn. I can't believe I was tricked that hard.

The opportunism to save your scumbuddy when Chibo came up with his faked cop result.

 

[Dooms]

Actually, why would he completely ignore his scum buddy in thread? I called him out for being scummy around the 450 mark, but he completely ignores it, and when he mentions me the first time, all he says is "Oh, he had a good case on Kantrip, but besides that..."

For someone that tried to pull the "Do you think I'm THAT dumb" card, you are really trying to use that against a Me/John connection. Stop being a hypocrite and actually make a case.

 

[Kantrip]

I'm sorry, but avoiding your scummate is a very common newbscum tell. That's why I'm ISOing John here and not you. But I'm mostly skimming through everything so I'm catching other stuff too. Your actions during the doc CC phase were pretty scummy knowing now that John was scum.

 

[Dooms]

The opportunism to save your scumbuddy when Chibo came up with his faked cop result.

Reaching, yes?

Do you really expect me not to switch my vote when someone confirms (who I thought could very well be) the doctor as townie? Or do you expect me to say "Oh... that cop means nothing LOL," especially since I BELIEVED CHIBO?

Try to reach more, please.

 

[Dooms]

I'm sorry, but avoiding your scummate is a very common newbscum tell. That's why I'm ISOing John here and not you. But I'm mostly skimming through everything so I'm catching other stuff too. Your actions during the doc CC phase were pretty scummy knowing now that John was scum.

Implying that John hasn't played 3 full games.

Implying that I haven't played over 15 games.

You're trying to be a hypocrite and pull a card on us so that you can quick lynch us.

 

[Kantrip]

Actually, why would he completely ignore his scum buddy in thread? I called him out for being scummy around the 450 mark, but he completely ignores it, and when he mentions me the first time, all he says is "Oh, he had a good case on Kantrip, but besides that..."

For someone that tried to pull the "Do you think I'm THAT dumb" card, you are really trying to use that against a Me/John connection. Stop being a hypocrite and actually make a case.

Yeah he was putting off making a read on you. That reads list was just all around bad in general.

Alright, here is where we stand after a re-read:

Guus is definitely not the scum. He made a legit case on John and John tried to defend against it and the whole ordeal brought attention to both of them in a way that they can't be a scumteam. Guus is cleared.

John referred to EVERY SINGLE PLAYER in this game EXCEPT for Dooms. This is newbscum avoiding of your scummate to avoid a connection to them, which in turn creates an evasion connection.

Pluvia is still a possibility and I will still be reading through his posts, but I am at around 90% certainty that it is Dooms at this point.

 

[Kantrip]

And quit rushing my case Joey. It will come when it is good and ready.

I am not trying to quick lynch you. Quit being ********.

 

[Dooms]

Yeah he was putting off making a read on you. That reads list was just all around bad in general.

Alright, here is where we stand after a re-read:

Guus is definitely not the scum. He made a legit case on John and John tried to defend against it and the whole ordeal brought attention to both of them in a way that they can't be a scumteam. Guus is cleared.

John referred to EVERY SINGLE PLAYER in this game EXCEPT for Dooms. This is newbscum avoiding of your scummate to avoid a connection to them, which in turn creates an evasion connection.

Pluvia is still a possibility and I will still be reading through his posts, but I am at around 90% certainty that it is Dooms at this point.

He was putting off making a read on me, sure, but at least he didn't throw me into the "People I want lynched" list when he had NOTHING for me, just to switch to "Hey, I actually don't have a read on this guy lol."

The only time you two communicated was when you asked him to explain things in more detail, he lied about his read on you, and couldn't back it up with anything. He was uncertain with me. He LIED with you.

He also said that he would read into you more, which he never bothered to do at all. Why would you have to read into someone that you already know is scum?

Yet, he still communicated with you enough to show that he still cared that you were in a game. He tried to include you in certain posts. He asked if we were going to go after you after a T-block lynch on Day 1.

What looks more scummy, avoiding talking to a person a whole game, or lying about your read on a person and saying that you'll get a real one but decide against it?

It's your choice, Kantrip.

 

[Dooms]

And quit rushing my case Joey. It will come when it is good and ready.

I am not trying to quick lynch you. Quit being ********.

I'm not rushing. I'm just breaking it down as you post it.

You said that you were fine with quick lynching me without looking into John. You can't prove this wrong. The evidence is very obvious and clear.

Vote: Kantrip

Scum can't quick hammer, so there is no reason for me not to have my vote out there.

There is no way that you're town if you're playing like this.

 

[Dooms]

Implying that John hasn't played 3 full games.

Implying that I haven't played over 15 games.

You're trying to be a hypocrite and pull a card on us so that you can quick lynch us.

To add to this:

scum teams are a... you know... TEAM

If either player is experienced and you're trying to find noobie scum tells that the other person can easily say "Yo say something about me" to, then you're obviously doing it wrong unless both scum mates are not experienced. I've played a LOT of games. Your case is invalid.

 

[Dooms]

And quit rushing my case Joey. It will come when it is good and ready.

I am not trying to quick lynch you. Quit being ********.

Point out where I said I was rushing, by the way.

 

[Kantrip]

Make your connection case. I have quoted all the instances where I saw John talk to you. Oh yeah, one fluffy conversation. I find it funny you're trying to talk with me about meta on him, though. Here is his list of games he quoted:

Games list:

Completed:
Newbie 15 - I read and am reading this game.
Majora's Mask - I was in this game.
Housepets - I was in this game.

In Progress:
Mod Mafia - I am in this game.
Britches & Hose - I am in this game.
Utrick'd 2 - I was in this game.


Yeah. I played in 5/6 of John's game and read the last one. I KNOW John meta better than you do. Avoiding his scummate is the exact kind of thing he would do.

 

[Kantrip]

Actually, why would he completely ignore his scum buddy in thread? I called him out for being scummy around the 450 mark, but he completely ignores it, and when he mentions me the first time, all he says is "Oh, he had a good case on Kantrip, but besides that..."

For someone that tried to pull the "Do you think I'm THAT dumb" card, you are really trying to use that against a Me/John connection. Stop being a hypocrite and actually make a case.

Look at bolded. You're throwing out an accusation and then pushing me to make a case.

Just stop, JO_OEY. I'm done here. I've read through John's posts, and you can't say you've done the same.

Do you need me to go back and read through them again to show him talking to me?

Personally, I think you should do that.

 

[Dooms]

Make your connection case. I have quoted all the instances where I saw John talk to you. Oh yeah, one fluffy conversation. I find it funny you're trying to talk with me about meta on him, though. Here is his list of games he quoted:

Games list:

Completed:
Newbie 15 - I read and am reading this game.
Majora's Mask - I was in this game.
Housepets - I was in this game.

In Progress:
Mod Mafia - I am in this game.
Britches & Hose - I am in this game.
Utrick'd 2 - I was in this game.


Yeah. I played in 5/6 of John's game and read the last one. I KNOW John meta better than you do. Avoiding his scummate is the exact kind of thing he would do.

Not if theres a SCUM MATE RIGHT THERE saying "Hey... this is how you play scum."

You're trying to connect John to someone as a noobie through someone that has played enough games to know the obvious **** like "Oh by the way, make sure your scum mate isn't obvious as balls."

How many of those games was he scum in. If you're lying, you WILL be lynched.

 

[Dooms]

Look at bolded. You're throwing out an accusation and then pushing me to make a case.

Just stop, JO_OEY. I'm done here. I've read through John's posts, and you can't say you've done the same.

Do you need me to go back and read through them again to show him talking to me?

Personally, I think you should do that.

Do you think that I typed all of that out of my ***? I looked through every post of his talking to you that wasn't fluffy as balls. There were 4.

Want whats in my notepad of quotes?

I don't see a dodged question. If you're referring to my thoughts on those people, they are as follows:

TB - Well, lynching an indy is good in my book, some of the posts from Twilight made me think it was a bad thing. You could be town.
Chibo - His posts are creepy, but I feel there is pro-town behind them if you ignore the graphics.
Guus - He has yet to comment on any D2 things
Kanty - You get a comment in a bit, I need to read into you.

Vinyl. - Wait, Vinyl's in this game? [Would be fine with lynch]
Acro - I like the cases he is providing. [Do not want to lynch]
RocketPSIence - Oh look rPSI is in here too... [Would be fine with lynch]
Chibo - See #393
Pluvia - Noob town, he didn't give up with everyone calling him scum, and instead provided arguments to the contrary. [Leaning NoobTown]
Gustave - I'm going to read him in a bit.
JO_OEY - Made a good case on Kanty, don't have much of a read yet apart from that.
T-Block - I'm leaning town, due to your Vig gambit on Auspher/Pluvia, but after Housepets, I'm very reluctant to label you as so.
Kantrip - Need to read on Kanty too.
Raziek - I really didn't like the back and forth in the beginning, but apart from that, you provide some interesting points...

Kantrip, if you *just* replaced into the game at this point, would you make an attempt to at least skim through and get a general idea as to what's going on for yourself, or would you block your mind out and demand summaries?

Unvote, Vote: John2k4

Why would scum ever do that? If he already got caught up by scumbuddies he would probably post in thread saying he has read or, or just not address the situation in the first place. Saying you don't want to read after replacing in is a null tell that might even lean towards lazy townie (but WIFOM, so it doesn't), and you're beyond reaching trying to say it makes Chibo look scummy.

Try a real lynch target, please.

Players I would be okay with choosing toDay:
Gustave
Teran
Auspher
Kantrip

Here you go. Add to the list and let me tell you how the post you're adding doesn't matter and doesn't prove me wrong at all.

 

[Dooms]

Look at bolded. You're throwing out an accusation and then pushing me to make a case.

Just stop, JO_OEY. I'm done here. I've read through John's posts, and you can't say you've done the same.

Do you need me to go back and read through them again to show him talking to me?

Personally, I think you should do that.

Also, that's saying that your case is weak balls and has nothing to hold its ground. That isn't rushing in anyway. Try to reach some more?

 

[Kantrip]

How many of those games was he scum in? Well, I can't speak for ongoing games, but out of the games he has completed, zero.

Well one, because this game.

I'm saying I know his meta as a player, not his meta as scum.



Alright I'll go back and quote when John addressed me, because the count was greater than four.

Oh wait, you're taking out fluffy posts? Well damn, John must only have like six posts total or something.

 

[Kantrip]

Also, that's saying that your case is weak balls and has nothing to hold its ground. That isn't rushing in anyway. Try to reach some more?

You know what? Just shut up. Shut the **** up.




Pluvia, Guus: Tell me the conclusion you come to when you get in here. I need a break from this stupidity.