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MKGD: A new Bat watches over the town
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Angel.M <3 C:
Smash Champion
We still can't kill you til like 160 unless you **** up.
there are a lot of situations MK can kill earlier than that, not just gimps either, but even so, when you're dealing 50-70% every time you get an advantage, it's not so bad. and likewise you shouldn't be dying at the earliest possible utilt % much either unless you make a mistake(plus you can practically force snake to stale it)
Player-4
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Lol you make it sound like MK deals 50-70% per mistake Snake makes. Chaos Marth is right though, without gimps, MK isn't killing Snake until about 140-160% on average, while Snake can kill MK at around 115-120% on average.
Besides that utilt is not his only killing option lol. ALL of Snake's moves kill except for dthrow and Up-B.
Besides that utilt is not his only killing option lol. ALL of Snake's moves kill except for dthrow and Up-B.
Player-4
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Because Dinah and Heytallman are chillllin IRL right about now.
Angel.M <3 C:
Smash Champion
Pool 29
DjIskascribble
Junebug
Lobos
omghx
Chaos Marth
Hyper
I got this.
DjIskascribble
Junebug
Lobos
omghx
Chaos Marth
Hyper
I got this.
it's the only one that should be killing you that early. nair and dair can be DI'd out of pretty easily especially at high %. if you get hit with fsmash, fair, nikita, or a non-timed out C4, you did something seriously wrong. in general, snake simply feeds off of mistakes, he can't really do anything.
Player-4
See you in 25 years
I'm so close to sigging this
it's true, he doesn't have safe strategies compared to MK, falco, diddy, he's the black sheep of S tier. his saving graces are living a long time and getting a large reward for good reads, which is good, but in the end he's relying on you doing something predictable that leaves you open.
Angel.M <3 C:
Smash Champion
WHO CARES THIS ISNT A MATCH-UP DISCUSSION. go to the appropriate thread for that.
Now lets discuss my pool.
Now lets discuss my pool.
Angel.M <3 C:
Smash Champion
How is it off topic!
I can just sexually harass her in my pool
I can just sexually harass her in my pool
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Wait, there's a topic?
Snakes push and pull momentum game is excellent because of camping. That means he can do almost anything and make it safe. I keep saying it, you guys need to come to FL where snake players actually camp...
Angel.M <3 C:
Smash Champion
Have you seen anti's snake?
Yup. He does Snake right.
*JuriHan*
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ugh. What's wrong with you people!? I leave the topic for a day and it turns into srs business match-up discussion instead of lulzyness? Well I had to have Tallman leave early because I got a migrane (as usual...) so im still recovering from it.
tl;dr
ill ***** at you guys later
tl;dr
ill ***** at you guys later
FB Dj_Iskascribble
Frostbitten
lol no
(10char)
most snake's camp. him having no reliable approaches and one of the games better projectiles and great punishment game isn't something people need to be informed of at this point...
Teh Future
Smash Master
I think you got it backwards. Snake never GETS hit unless he makes a mistake. Its impossible for most of the cast to approach him unless they outcamp him.
I'm not talking about horrible low tier characters, I'm talking about meta knight...
even so, more characters outcamp him than you may think(falco, ROB, fox, sheik, pit, toon link, olimar), and he's not very good vs air camping either
Player-4
See you in 25 years
How is MK going to approach? Nado? Ok just let me just pull this nade and shield it or chunk it at you. Oh so you can nado the top of my shield without setting off the nade? Well just let me space an Up-tilt. You wanna fair me? Lol shield grab. How about f-tilt? Nahh I'll just shield then f-tilt you myself.
You have to make Snake make a mistake to hit him. Not the other way around. >_>
You have to make Snake make a mistake to hit him. Not the other way around. >_>
★J.G WentWorth★
Smash Champion
Player-4
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It's pretty bad against good Snakes. I play with Razer all the time, along with some other good Snakes. Granted I have an easy time with ones that don't know what they're doing, but the ones that do, it's a pain in the ***.
My point is, that is what Snake can do when you approach. Will it happen every time? Hell no, but it will be all he has to do.
no one approaches with nado, what is this 2008? even so utilt isn't entirely that useful, if you get baited on it you are wide the **** open, simply shielding it or crouching are safer, better options IMO. you're only shield grabbing fair if MK is coming right at you with it, which he has no reason to do...
no one is shielding MK's ftilt on pure reaction, so guess what happens if snake just flashes his shield for no reason? he's now destroyed his options and put himself in a position where you can punish him for anything he does, he can roll back, forward, spot dodge, drop the shield, jump, grab, or usmash...which of these are practical exactly if you haven't horribly misspaced yourself?
grenades take 3 seconds to detonate and don't actually hinder your movement, and snake lags when throwing them(just like everything else he does, punishing him is simple compared to falco or diddy), his camping is madly overrated.
snake does do ok and is a great character because of his weight class, damage output, tech chase etc., I just don't see why MK's are having as much difficulty with him as opposed to others like falco or diddy, aside from how many more (good) people play snake
no one is shielding MK's ftilt on pure reaction, so guess what happens if snake just flashes his shield for no reason? he's now destroyed his options and put himself in a position where you can punish him for anything he does, he can roll back, forward, spot dodge, drop the shield, jump, grab, or usmash...which of these are practical exactly if you haven't horribly misspaced yourself?
grenades take 3 seconds to detonate and don't actually hinder your movement, and snake lags when throwing them(just like everything else he does, punishing him is simple compared to falco or diddy), his camping is madly overrated.
snake does do ok and is a great character because of his weight class, damage output, tech chase etc., I just don't see why MK's are having as much difficulty with him as opposed to others like falco or diddy, aside from how many more (good) people play snake
Player-4
See you in 25 years
LOL you know nades explode if you hit them right? I wasn't saying approach with nado, but if you do, here's what Snake can do... Utilt isn't that useful... Lol okay, you keep ruining everything you say with stupid comments like that. But about approaching with tornado, if you think that's "2008" or "old" so it's useless then you're ********. Of course you don't want to approach with it all the time, but approaching with tornado is very viable, it's one of the best moves in the game.
Please know what you're talking about before replying.
Please know what you're talking about before replying.
Player-4
See you in 25 years
Lol a smartass, cool. Utilt is useful period.
Enough of Snake talk. Dinah needs to get over her headache so she can get back to stroking more junk.
Enough of Snake talk. Dinah needs to get over her headache so she can get back to stroking more junk.
I agree it's useful in general, just saying, MK has a ton of mobility during tornado, he can easily bait that when shielding it or crouching don't leave you open and can potentially give you a more rewarding punish anyway(unless at KO %)
This is how I know you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about etecoon. You're talk is PURE theory craft.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKFvwDaqlUY ----> Lets count how many tornado approaches there are in this match lol.
MK CANT approach a camping snake without taking a risk or if Snake makes a mistake. Most regions simply don't have top snakes, which is why a lot of people think he's overrated. Snake has plenty of options against MK's that try to rely on Ftilt, that's why you don't see it being used that often in high level MK vs. Snake matches.
And Utilting Tornado is extremely useful psychologically. MK players get extremely upset when you Utilt their tornados (And I would know) and it'll make them think twice about using it. Once MK players realize that they have to take a risk by approaching that's when many of them realize they don't really know the matchup.
But Snake ***** all these characters minus ROB up close, and funny enough, ROB is the character on your list that Snake actually does easily outcamp. Snake can just play aggressive against all the other characters.
Player-4
See you in 25 years
Red Halberd to the rescue <3
he gets in your head and makes you make bad decisions, it's still more useful for punishing here, I don't think anyone would suggest that randomly tornadoing at snake from a neutral position is ever a good idea.
I know snake has some good options in some situations in this matchup, I don't think it's a bad matchup, I just don't think it's even, and I don't think it's MK's hardest, I think there are a couple others that are closer to even if not even. I didn't think ranking this around 55:45/60:40 MK was so outlandish -_-
Player-4
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He gets in M2Ks head... Okay.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Amazing Explanation. Everytime I tornado someone's shield it's because they got in my head but somehow I'm a top Metaknight.
Now lets talk about something relevant.
True Classic right here
Player-4
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LOL too good.
