MasterOfKnees
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Of course, support is support, no matter the given reason. The Japanese popularity surely boosts his chance. However, it's a bit bizarre to discuss this in the Palutena thread.
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Miracle Of Light - Palutena in SSB4 (Featuring Cereza from Bayonetta-series)
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GuyWithTheFace
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Isaac's certainly not in a bad position, true, but he's not in a great one like Shulk or Palutena either. Shulk has the advantage of a new game coming out in his series that Nintendo's gonna wanna advertise for, that is, X, and Palutena is a very relevant, well liked character. She's fresh on the minds of Kid Icarus fans. Isaac doesn't have either of those, though he does have move set potential. Ray and Black Shadow? Ehhhhhh, less likely. As much as I love Custom Robo it hasn't had a game since '06. Black Shadow? Hasn't shown up since '04. Relevance is important, I'd be more likely to care about a character I played in a game yesterday than someone I played 5 years ago. Not saying older characters can't get in, they can and have, but it'll be a bit harder. They'd need something like moveset potential (Ice Climbers) or simply being very iconic/important to Nintendo (Pit/G&W). Which brings me to my last point, Little Mac. And you're very right when you say I overlooked him. I typed that last response kinda fast, so that's my bad. But you're right, Little Mac is both iconic to Nintendo and very important to its history, so he's quite likely to get in. Anyway, my point is that there aren't "dozens" of characters more deserving. There are a few that are more deserving, and there are a few on the same level as her, but her inclusion shouldn't be surprising at all. Her games are very well received, quite popular, at least in terms of smaller franchises, and she's got great move set potential. On top of that her game is very new. All in all, neither of us really knows what Sakurai thinks, and it all comes down to his and his teams decisions.
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Throw in Black Shadow. He's elite in Japan much like Little Mac and Ridley are elite in the US. He can be the Rival fight before the E4 (excluding R/B).
FlareHabanero
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YOU FORGOT MARTHEvent Match:
Super Bash Sisters
Player: Palutena
Opponents: Samus, Peach, Zelda, Wii Fit Trainer, and Rosalina
Lives: N/A
Time: 5 minutes
Requirement: Score the most KOs in a FFA between the lovely ladies of Smash.
I already said before, X until is not confirmed to be part of Xenoblade is completly irrelevant in Shulk chances. As im one of the persons that believe that X is not part of Xenoblade because if that was the cause it would be revealed from the beginning. The main advantage of Shulk over Isaac is that Xenoblade was a recent well-received game unlike the last Golden Sun game who left an important part of the fan-base dissapointed and cold, although Dark Dawn sales are not really far from Xenoblade sales, but yes comparing Golden Sun sales to Xenoblade sales is probably unfair.
Dark Dawn. Certainly Kid Icarus seems to be a priority for Sakurai. Pit was one of the main characters in SSE plot. He is also being one of the initial characters revealed for SSB4. Golden Sun and Kid Icarus are at the same level. Like Xenoblade, Kid Icarus seems to be brighter just because it have a recent triumph.
Things dont work like that. Any information or image that dont comes from a reliable fount of source is de-confirmed by default.
Just like the God existance debate, atheist are not supposed to proof that God is false, religion must proof that God is real.
Erotic&Heretic
Smash Master
I see your point, but it's clearly a debate of another scale (let's not go into a religious debate).
Here, we have a picture. The legitimaty of it is not proved, nor the fact it is fake.
It's really rare for things like this to have a pending status for days.
ChikoLad
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Actually, things don't work like THAT. That logic is completely flawed, as to become a reliable source of information, one must first overcome the mass skepticism people give you if you haven't found ground-breaking information before. Especially if you're anonymous (which in this case, would be done to hide the source of the leak from Nintendo, as I'm sure the guy would rather not be shot by Nintendo's legal firing squad :V). With your logic, reliable sources can never exist, if "unreliable"/new sources are always de-confirmed by default.
TheMagicalKuja
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So guise, are you part of #TeamReal or #TeamFake?
Erotic&Heretic
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I'm not going to enlist into any group and do any bet, but it's clearly Team Real for me.
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In relation to the Palutena leak, or the god debate? :V
I don't think looking at confirmation/deconfirmation should be done in black and white, but rather an estimate of the likeliness. In the first five minutes of that image being shown it being real seemed, by most estimates, fairly unlikely. Most assumed that within the hour, or afternoon/evening, or some period of time, it would be shown to be false like most other leaks. When those points passed in time people began to consider it more likely based on past evidence that image leaks don't tend to be believed for very long because they are relatively easy to show to be false. As more time passes more people will begin to increase their estimate of the likelihood it's valid.
On top of this argument, we also need to consider both realities in comparison and use that to guide our thoughts. This might not be well worded and so I apologize, but consider the reality that Palutena is real. What does this mean?
It means Palutena's model and idle animation is in a similar state of polish as the characters revealed so far. This is not terribly surprising; if they plan to release the game within a year then the vast majority of the models should be nearly finished or at least useable, even if some textures or animations may be missing. People have noted that it becomes likely that the game is in Beta, which is definitely not impossible by the current timeframe. It also means that, clearly, Palutena is playable; how realistic this is in your mind will change how likely the leak is.
In the reality this image is fake, it means a person or group of people spent enough time doctoring two images that the it could fool the entire set of people analyzing the image, some of which have gone to ridiculous extremes to do. It says nothing for her likelihood in the game, as if the image is false then it has nothing to do with the game; her odds do not change. It also gives us no more information.
So which is more likely? I would argue someone with that degree of skill putting that degree of effort in to doctor a picture is VERY unlikely. By comparison, given that Namco is working on this project Nintendo's normal leak strategies might not be functioning to their usual degree. Even if they are not Nintendo has had leaks in the past, it is just unusual. It's also worth noting that people who leak things very rarely leak everything, as they hope that a small leak might be a) forgiven, b) overlooked by their bosses, and c) hard to pinpoint who actually leaked it within the company. It's also much easier to snap one or two pictures than ten. The timeframe component of my assumptions on the part of it's real seems very reasonable given we already have 17 characters who are in a similar state of polish. I also don't find Palutena that unlikely; she could definitely bring some uniqueness to the cast; at very least it's another character who has a shield, something Link was unique for before and he barely used it. As noted by others her laser beams are also a good fit, and I think she'd be more or less popular worldwide, unlike some characters (Black Shadow, Ridley) who are only really popular in certain parts of the world.
Because of this, I think it's more likely real than fake. I'm not going to touch on the god debate at all, that's a topic way to sticky for this thread. I'll stick to the titular goddess instead.
FlareHabanero
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For a bit of experiment, I decided to fiddle around with a program called FotoForensics, which is an online service that can detect distortions caused by editing tools like photoshop.
The results are rather consistent, with nothing abnormal. If it was indeed edited via a program like Photoshop, there would be inconsistent ELA values, for example Palutena being highlighted as a different color or there being a notable blur effect.
The results are rather consistent, with nothing abnormal. If it was indeed edited via a program like Photoshop, there would be inconsistent ELA values, for example Palutena being highlighted as a different color or there being a notable blur effect.
Erotic&Heretic
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Interesting indeed!For a bit of experiment, I decided to fiddle around with a program called FotoForensics, which is an online service that can detect distortions caused by editing tools like photoshop.
The results are rather consistent, with nothing abnormal. If it was indeed edited via a program like Photoshop, there would be inconsistent ELA values, for example Palutena being highlighted as a different color or there being a notable blur effect.
I'm not sure: can we put pictures on the 3DS' SD Card? Even if it's possible, and if we consider it fake, it would be really a LOT of efforts to make the picture plausible.
Erotic&Heretic
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Just look how Pikachu's tail have a way thinner outline.
It also happen on other pictures:
It also happen on other pictures:
FlareHabanero
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It is possible to put pictures onto the SD card, then view it on a 3DS.
Erotic&Heretic
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Ok, thanks. I was sure for musics, but not pictures.
Still, it would mean a lot efforts.
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At this point, I'm almost 100% sure it's real.
That would be one of the Smash Newcomer Elite 4 down.
That would be one of the Smash Newcomer Elite 4 down.
Starcutter
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Erotic&Heretic
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I just imagined a fat Ridley dressed like a boxer.
Admiral Pit
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While the Palutena leak still has ppl going, say she will get improved versions of some of the powers for Pit and implant them to her moveset. Which powers you think she should use and improve em how? Take example my idea of Reflect Barrier appearing from her shield and being wider than usual to provide better protection.
Starcutter
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Back shield thing as item
BluePikmin11
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Celestial Fireworks for her taunt, it can also stun opponents for a short time too.
Admiral Pit
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I may want to borrow that idea for one of her taunts.
Maybe perhaps an Angelic MIssile coated in blue/white light in which she charged forward (can be controlled) for another?
BluePikmin11
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Angelic Missile, so would it function like Luigi's Green Missile, I do think that's a bit of an odd idea.
Admiral Pit
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More of you can control its trajectory like Lucario's Up-B, except it does damage on contact, and it can hit multiple targets (my current Side-B btw, subject to change, I think, I forget). Gotta find something besides an Up-B for Palutena's recovery afterall.
BluePikmin11
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How bout Sky Jump where she jumps high and falls slowly till she hits ground. It's pretty hard to think of a recovery that suits her well.
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They could always make one up based on her light powers. For example I can see her turning into a flash of light and moving extremely quickly in a given direction.
On another note, that leak is looking more and more real, but since it is still a leak I am still skeptical and won't claim anything until officially revealed.
BluePikmin11
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How bout she commands her centurions to carry a piece of flat ground to have her recover to the battlefield, just like in the chapter where Pyrrhon betrays Pit into controlling the world.
Admiral Pit
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Hm. That must be a hybrid of Sky Jump and Jump Glide you're thinking of (even in midair)? It really is tough. Something bout that spiral light move she does in her boss battle to help her fly around may be on my mind. Although a high jump or angelic missile actually upwards to Jump Glide may actually suit her. But you're right about it being hard.
That suggestion bout centurions is possible, but I wanna see Palutena battle without summoning others.
BluePikmin11
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Well there's always the bouncepads Pit uses to progress through the chapters in KI:U.
Basically they are the spring recoverys Sonic and Mega use.
Basically they are the spring recoverys Sonic and Mega use.
Starcutter
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Wasn't palutena the one who creates the grind rails?
Admiral Pit
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We don't want too many "spring" recoveries now, though Grind rails is something new, and she could still attack. *thinks* I'm still for either the improved jump glide or missile thing.
BluePikmin11
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Well the best I think that fit's Palutena is that big tough Centurion simply carries her to flight, since she commands the winged armored angels.
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Doesn't the picture of Palutena seem to be missing expressions? Palutena's face in these pics, seem to have a blank, consistent expression in both. That doesn't seem like something Sakurai would do.