Miracle Of Light - Palutena in SSB4 (Featuring Cereza from Bayonetta-series)

[Homelessvagrant]

i know it's not the same thing, it's like Scoliosis Jones had in the last page with all the evidence and whatnot. the thing that sets palutena apart is the added effort. the image i posted was simply brawl models, and palutena is also a brawl model. but i can go into Maya and photoshop or whatever to remodel or re texture-ize the texture maps to better reflect the 3ds art style. as an artist and game designer (citation needed), i could do this if i had the textures and the models.

as for palutena as a whole, to me, it's the same situation with Zelda and the Phantom Armor. if it isn't confirmed, it's anything but... i would like to say that i would like to have palutena as i believe she can bring something to the table, however, because nothing is evident proof until proof is offered from the master source (sakurai/nintendo), i have to plead against it.

I hear you, makes sense. At this stage of the game it is still best to be skeptical.

 

[Starcutter]

The Palutena in the picture is not a Brawl model. Completely different actually.

She's saying its the brawl model with edits.

 

[augustoflores]

lawl, "she"... it's just a drawing, i'm a guy. but yea, that...

 

[bloodbuzzed]

I... I just don't know how to handle these leaks. I don't check the internet for a little over a day and the entire thing is haywire with Palutena hype. If this is fake and Palutena is not playable (or godforbid an AT) then us Palutena fans are going to be 100x as crushed.

 

[XStarWarriorX]

lawl, "she"... it's just a drawing, i'm a guy. but yea, that...

Sorry bro I was gonna tell him, but i thought it was 2 funny.

Anyway either way this doesn't hurt palutena's chances at all, I hope its real though.

 

[augustoflores]

yea, it doesn't hurt her chances...

i... hope it's not real... i wouldn't want the game to be easily leaked to the public..

i want this to be fan made to demonstrate fan abilities and i want sakurai to have his own pics of palutena where none of them look like these... is that weird?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

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She's saying its the brawl model with edits.

ah. I apologize. The hype is getting to my head.

I simply don't think that's the case. But we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Starcutter]

Hey how was I supposed to know you are a guy? Like whatever man XP

 

[DakotaBonez]

Assist trophies can rot in hell.
If this is real she better be a playable character.
Although I can only imagine the rage induced by such a newcomer as her appearing.
Still watin on Lil Mac, Chibi Robo, Ridley, etc...

 

[Wii Twerk Trainer]

It's real because I love Palutena!

 

[Admiral Pit]

Seems I missed the Palutena goodness here. I'm loving the goodness. All we need is for her to be playable, then we'll be having a party. Just remember that each newcomer gets a little trailer of their own, so I hope we'll get it soon. I doubt it'll happen this month though. I'm still focused on that possibility in March.

 

[SmashShadow]

I was so busy hyping from the leak thread that I completely forgot about the actual character thread.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Although I can only imagine the rage induced by such a newcomer as her appearing.

Rage?

Palutena is one of the most wanted newcomers.

Why would that make people rage?

 

[ToothiestAura]

Occam's Razor

At this point the simplest conclusion given all the evidence is that the pics are real. There's more difficulty proving it being fake than real, and that's a huge sign.
It can still be a fake, but when the chances of that considering the given evidence are so much lower than it being real

Wrong. Everything is wrong until proven right. This is a basic tenet of logical/scientific thought (something you are attempting to use with Occam's Razor).

That said, it looks fairly legitimate. My main qualm is that it's on the 3DS version, which has lesser quality graphics then the Wii U version, and is therefore easier to make look convincing. Show a me a convincing Wii U "leak" and then we'll talk.

 

[loganhogan]

Viridi's stage hazard looks awesome!

 

[Tailisu10]

Viridi became a stepping stone for Palutena's chance.

 

[Karafuru]

Viridi's stage hazard looks awesome!

I wonder what Viridi would end up doing; drop a reset bomb? Also, was it confirmed that she is indeed a stage hazard and not just a visual in the background?

 

[loganhogan]

I wonder what Viridi would end up doing; drop a reset bomb? Also, was it confirmed that she is indeed a stage hazard and not just a visual in the background?

Her real size in Uprising is shorter than Pit, but as she can do large visual appearances too.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Pretty much it's like:

1: Humans fighting
2: Reset Bomb explosion happens
3: Viridi appears in the background
4: Moving towards the Reset Bomb Forest (likely to be attacked by enemies along the way if not them in background)
5: Finally inside Reset Bomb Forest.

Honestly, it's about time we got some new confirmed KI stuff, although I know that she'd be shown sooner or later.

 

[ChikoLad]

i know it's not the same thing, it's like Scoliosis Jones had in the last page with all the evidence and whatnot. the thing that sets palutena apart is the added effort. the image i posted was simply brawl models, and palutena is also a brawl model. but i can go into Maya and photoshop or whatever to remodel or re texture-ize the texture maps to better reflect the 3ds art style. as an artist and game designer (citation needed), i could do this if i had the textures and the models.

as for palutena as a whole, to me, it's the same situation with Zelda and the Phantom Armor. if it isn't confirmed, it's anything but... i would like to say that i would like to have palutena as i believe she can bring something to the table, however, because nothing is evident proof until proof is offered from the master source (sakurai/nintendo), i have to plead against it.

And as an aspiring game designer myself (it's what I study in college), I know that it would take a whole lot of effort to make a fake of this caliber. Like, a good few hours, and you'd have a lot of research and what not to do to beforehand to make sure you leave no signs of it's fakeness.

Also, I'm pretty sure you'd have to really, REALLY like Palutena too. I mean, she isn''t even the most requested character out there (moderately popular request at best). She's no Ridley or Mewtwo/Mewthree. Heck, even within the Uprising universe, a lot of people want Magnus or Dark Pit (yes, people want Dark Pit as his own character). So really, even as someone who knows how to pull off fakes (that Ness and Jigglypuff one is really blatantly fake, for example), this is a fake that would take way too much time to create if it is a fake.

I'm still skeptical by virtue of it being a "leak", but there is no evidence to write it off as fake. And seeing as it's been over 24 hours since this leak got out and nobody has proven it false, and nobody at Nintendo has said anything, there is a very real chance this is real. Most "leaks" for Smash are proven false very easily, withing a few hours at most.

 

[Hong]

You should post it fast before her moveset is revealed. You would slap yourself if the ideas in your head were nearly identical as Sakurai's direction, but you without proof.

Humans are weird.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Rage?

Palutena is one of the most wanted newcomers.

Why would that make people rage?

This is the Super Smash Bros. fanbase, people will find some reason to complain.

 

[Starcutter]

This is the Super Smash Bros. fanbase, people will find some reason to complain.

People are already complaining from this leak.

"Why don't they add someone people know"

 

[Admiral Pit]

Sadly true. They all want their characters in. Look at poor Ashley fans. However, part of me thinks we're in danger of feeling their pain. I'm not giving up though, don't worry. I really gotta get a Palutena avy, or request a special Pit one doing his "hair flip and sparkles" pose (may need to be drawn for gold Pit).
Still having ideal block on Palutena's moveset btw.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

I am the only Ashley fan who is happy to see her in 3D?
I mean, of course I'm a little bit dissapointed, she was my second character of my Top 10, but I think it's cool.

 

[Admiral Pit]

I am the only Ashley fan who is happy to see her in 3D?
I mean, of course I'm a little bit dissapointed, she was my second character of my Top 10, but I think it's cool.

You're a rare one in that aspect, and I congratulate you for that. *patpat* Like I said, at least she's in the game in one shape or form, which is better than nothing at all.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

By the way, I think I'll would be more dissapointed if Palutena doesn't become a playable character. Especially if Magnus grab the place.

If Medusa doesn't make it... Well, I think i'll be ok with that. I prefer the Goddess of Darkness, but I consider the Goddess of Light to be a priority.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Magnus being playable would annoy me mainly because not only is his role in KI not nearly as important as Palutena (the only other character besides Pit who's been in all 3 KI games), but he's simply another sword character whose traits would reflect on Ike in a sense; Slow but strong. Besides, Palutena shows off uniqueness by wielding a staff as it is, and we know what kinda moves she might be able to use thanks to her boss battle. Add in some staff attacks, light magic, and shield attacks along with some surprises, and she'll definitely show those non-believers a thing or 2.

 

[Phaazoid]

Rage?

Palutena is one of the most wanted newcomers.

Why would that make people rage?

I would rage a bit. Not meaning to upset anyone here, but I'd be real disappointment if she was playable.

I'm just personally of the opinion that the Kid Icarus franchise in no way deserves a second character slot, and that the series is very, very flavor of the month, and that there will not be any more kid icarus games.

*runs away

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

And as an aspiring game designer myself (it's what I study in college), I know that it would take a whole lot of effort to make a fake of this caliber. Like, a good few hours, and you'd have a lot of research and what not to do to beforehand to make sure you leave no signs of it's fakeness.

Also, I'm pretty sure you'd have to really, REALLY like Palutena too. I mean, she isn''t even the most requested character out there (moderately popular request at best). She's no Ridley or Mewtwo/Mewthree. Heck, even within the Uprising universe, a lot of people want Magnus or Dark Pit (yes, people want Dark Pit as his own character). So really, even as someone who knows how to pull off fakes (that Ness and Jigglypuff one is really blatantly fake, for example), this is a fake that would take way too much time to create if it is a fake.

I'm still skeptical by virtue of it being a "leak", but there is no evidence to write it off as fake. And seeing as it's been over 24 hours since this leak got out and nobody has proven it false, and nobody at Nintendo has said anything, there is a very real chance this is real. Most "leaks" for Smash are proven false very easily, withing a few hours at most.

You may be able to answer this

There was a guy at Neoseeker who said the pictures were fake because of the layering.

I'll admit the pic with Mario could be argued. But that still doesn't apply to the 2nd picture, nor does it explain the unique model.

 

[Katakiri]

As much as I'd like to see her playable, I'd still settle for character codecs calls between Pit, Palutena, Viridi, and Hades. I blew through that fan-made codec thread long ago and I still want more.

 

[Erotic&Heretic]

Magnus being playable would annoy me mainly because not only is his role in KI not nearly as important as Palutena (the only other character besides Pit who's been in all 3 KI games), but he's simply another sword character whose traits would reflect on Ike in a sense; Slow but strong. Besides, Palutena shows off uniqueness by wielding a staff as it is, and we know what kinda moves she might be able to use thanks to her boss battle. Add in some staff attacks, light magic, and shield attacks along with some surprises, and she'll definitely show those non-believers a thing or 2.

Well, people seems to be less vocal about Magnus here, but in france, the main argument is "He is playable", but if he is playable, it means we also need a Little Girl/Dog tag team Plus, the Little Girl also have her own theme, another argument I see for Magnus

The second thing I see is "Magnus is the strongest human", wich is true in Uprising. But, what unique thing can he bring to Smash Bros, considering we have lovable gods with potential in Kid Icarus, and Ike in Brawl?
Also, I have trouble to see him balanced in a game like Smash. I mean, his sword is HUGE. If it means we get a super slow Ike with a bigger range, well, no thanks.



I also simply don't like Magnus

 

[Admiral Pit]

Well, people seems to be less vocal about Magnus here, but in france, the main argument is "He is playable", but if he is playable, it means we also need a Little Girl/Dog tag team Plus, the Little Girl also have her own theme, another argument I see for Magnus

The second thing I see is "Magnus is the strongest human", wich is true in Uprising. But, what unique thing can he bring to Smash Bros, considering we have lovable gods with potential in Kid Icarus, and Ike in Brawl?
Also, I have trouble to see him balanced in a game like Smash. I mean, his sword is HUGE. If it means we get a super slow Ike with a bigger range, well, no thanks.



I also simply don't like Magnus

I don't like him either, and those would be bad points to put him in. As said many times before, Palutena has the highest chances to be the 2nd KI rep as is, and definitely will bring uniqueness. I mean look at Rosalina. Some thought she'd be a semi-clone of Peach, and look at her, being somewhat of a puppet master with gravity abilities. I'm sure the Goddess of Light will have amazing moves, and she has the staff, shield, and "god-like" powers for that. As a bonus, that green hair. <3

 

[ChikoLad]

You may be able to answer this

There was a guy at Neoseeker who said the pictures were fake because of the layering.

I'll admit the pic with Mario could be argued. But that still doesn't apply to the 2nd picture, nor does it explain the unique model.

I don't know what the guy would mean by "layering". The technical definition of a "layer" in Photoshop is simply the different layers you use to create images on a canvas. So if I was making a picture in Photoshop with a landscape and a character, I would likely put the character on one layer, the foreground on another, the middle-ground on another layer, and the background on another layer. I would order these layers in a front to back order too. The whole purpose of this system is to allow you to manipulate each part of your image without interfering with other parts of the image. It also allows you to give more dimension to an image. For example, if I wanted to make a picture of a sun rising over a mountain in MS Paint, I'd have to cut the image of the sun perfectly, and then place it on top of the mountain. I'd basically be joining pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. In Photoshop however, I can simply use the layer system to place the image of the sun in layer behind the mountain. This creates a much more believable image, with more depth to it.

Of course this is Photoshop 101. Not a very difficult concept at all, and Photoshop isn't the only image processing software that uses it. But I don't understand how the layering is a sign of fakeness in those Palutena images. When you save a .psd file (the Photoshop file format, which contains all layers, effects, etc in their editable format. There are other similar file formats for other kinds of software too) as a .png file or similar image format, the layers are flattened. Meaning, if you try to open it in Photoshop, everything that's on it's own layer in the .psd file will now be on one common layer.

So that's all layering is. I suppose bad layering would be a case of, for example, I try to make a picture of a sun rising over a mountain in Photoshop, but I put the sun in front of the mountain rather than behind it. Nothing like that seems to be the case here though. Everything looks natural.

Now you guys may say that one could cut a bunch of pieces of Battlefield's landscape and rearrange them to look like a different area that is coherent with other screenshots. And you'd be right. However, that would be a REALLY complicated task, and really easy to leave accidental imperfections in. Nothing like that is the case here.

As for Mario, I don't see a problem with him.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I mentioned this in the leak thread.

Does anyone else think it's fishy that Sakurai posted a pic of Viridi today? After all of the Palutena speculation? I know KI:U is out in the eShop, but there are plenty of users on sites like nintendolife who think it's Sakurai responding to the leak.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you think Sakurai would come out and completely shoot it down if the pictures were fake? He did that with the Spring release date rumor. It's been over 24 hours, and we've had nothing.

I don't know what the guy would mean by "layering". The technical definition of a "layer" in Photoshop is simply the different layers you use to create images on a canvas. So if I was making a picture in Photoshop with a landscape and a character, I would likely put the character on one layer, the foreground on another, the middle-ground on another layer, and the background on another layer. I would order these layers in a front to back order too. The whole purpose of this system is to allow you to manipulate each part of your image without interfering with other parts of the image. It also allows you to give more dimension to an image. For example, if I wanted to make a picture of a sun rising over a mountain in MS Paint, I'd have to cut the image of the sun perfectly, and then place it on top of the mountain. I'd basically be joining pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. In Photoshop however, I can simply use the layer system to place the image of the sun in layer behind the mountain. This creates a much more believable image, with more depth to it.

Of course this is Photoshop 101. Not a very difficult concept at all, and Photoshop isn't the only image processing software that uses it. But I don't understand how the layering is a sign of fakeness in those Palutena images. When you save a .psd file (the Photoshop file format, which contains all layers, effects, etc in their editable format. There are other similar file formats for other kinds of software too) as a .png file or similar image format, the layers are flattened. Meaning, if you try to open it in Photoshop, everything that's on it's own layer in the .psd file will now be on one common layer.

So that's all layering is. I suppose bad layering would be a case of, for example, I try to make a picture of a sun rising over a mountain in Photoshop, but I put the sun in front of the mountain rather than behind it. Nothing like that seems to be the case here though. Everything looks natural.

Now you guys may say that one could cut a bunch of pieces of Battlefield's landscape and rearrange them to look like a different area that is coherent with other screenshots. And you'd be right. However, that would be a REALLY complicated task, and really easy to leave accidental imperfections in. Nothing like that is the case here.

As for Mario, I don't see a problem with him.

I see. That makes sense. I've taken a class that used photoshop but I was never prolific with it.

From what the guy was saying (he apparently has background with game design), he said that Mario was "clearly" closer to the screen than Palutena. I guess I COULD see what he's talking about, but I think that might be because she is facing him, meaning her arm would obviously be further back in the picture.

I just think the quality of the graphics of Palutena is just done so convincingly. It looks like it's a part of both pictures, especially the solo one.

 

[ChikoLad]

I mentioned this in the leak thread.

Does anyone else think it's fishy that Sakurai posted a pic of Viridi today? After all of the Palutena speculation? I know KI:U is out in the eShop, but there are plenty of users on sites like nintendolife who think it's Sakurai responding to the leak.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you think Sakurai would come out and completely shoot it down if the pictures were fake? He did that with the Spring release date rumor. It's been over 24 hours, and we've had nothing.

Yeah, I was thinking the same. To be blunt, Sakurai doesn't put up with any fooling around about his games. Nintendo in general doesn't. Sakurai would of confirmed fakeness by now I reckon.

Still, it is unusual for a Nintendo game to have a leak, especially for an in-development game. Usually when there is a Nintendo leak, it's due to people getting a hold of game a week before it's scheduled release or whatever. If this is a real leak, then it's a pretty amazing case.

And if it's real, the guy who leaked it is DEAD.

 

[Oniric Spriter]

Him being playable wouldn't make sense, I like him but not as much as Palutena, she's just a perfect round character with such an amazing personality, he isn't as far as important as her and he'll wont be that unique so that gives him even less chances (if he even had some).
What I really would like to have as an object is his club, I can't deny that would be really interesting to see.

 

[Karafuru]

Her real size in Uprising is shorter than Pit, but as she can do large visual appearances too.

I know that it isn't her real size, but I just wasn't sure if she would actually affect the fight.

I sure hope Magnus is not in the game as he was only in three chapters of the game, while Palutena is in almost all of them. Palutena would also be the easiest to make something new and unique for Smash bros than it would be for Magnus. Not to mention that he is another swordsman. Though, I don't think we'll see him as I believe Sakurai knows he isn't all that important to the game.

 

[FlareHabanero]

You may be able to answer this

There was a guy at Neoseeker who said the pictures were fake because of the layering.

I'll admit the pic with Mario could be argued. But that still doesn't apply to the 2nd picture, nor does it explain the unique model.

I have viewed the pictures, but I will say that the image doesn't have any notable distortion traditional of a photoshop image.

Traditionally, any edited areas tend to have a subtle amount of distortion, more obvious for a .jpg file.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Other things I've heard people say include the distinction of her hair. They think it looks two dimensional.

I know people criticize the halo, but obviously it wouldn't be gigantic. That's something they would have to work with to make Palutena look better in game. Not to mention, the way the halo is lined up goes with the directions her head is facing.

Her stance itself isn't anything out of the ordinary. Peach, Zelda and now Rosalina all face forward rather than outwardly towards the screen. (even Samus too).

I guess I just don't see what other people are seeing with this picture. It looks as if it's from the game for me.