Miracle Of Light - Palutena in SSB4 (Featuring Cereza from Bayonetta-series)

[Maraphy]

My educated guess is that Dark Pit is a Pit alt costume (which is a slight step up from alternate color, because he'll have his own voice I think). As it was already mentioned, if he was differentiated enough from Pit to get his own character slot like Lucina, he likely would have gotten a newcomer panel on the website.

As for my mains, I'm really not sure... but I definitely have an interest in: [chorus kids]

 

[Burigu]

Just a friendly reminder the rate for Palutena has officially started in the rate thread along with Little Mac, Greninja, Pacman and Mii fighters, drop by an show your support to the goddess, you can abstain on the rest if you really don't care but I suggest to give them a score to get more accurate numbers, right now Robin is the most liked according to scores.

There is no reward for winning here but can show how good is the Palutena fanbase

 

[Admiral Pit]

http://smashboards.com/threads/rate...rs-satisfaction.351920/page-154#post-17099156
All done for team Palutena! <3

 

[andimidna]

@ The Light Music Club did you rate yet?

 

[Admiral Pit]

Yep, I was extremely disappointed by some of the ppl who disliked Palutena. Some of their reasons were cringe-worthy, like the ones who prefer Medusa/Hades over her and spite Palutena for it, not including our resident Medusa fan here because you make a lot of sense.
Honestly I already forgot the most ridiculous reasons for hating poor Palutena even after looking at that thread 5 mins ago. Part of me wants to talk about those ridiculous reasons and counter them only because we haven't gotten anything since that one PotD talking about the range of Heavenly Light and her U-smash.

 

[andimidna]

Yep, I was extremely disappointed by some of the ppl who disliked Palutena. Some of their reasons were cringe-worthy, like the ones who prefer Medusa/Hades over her and spite Palutena for it, not including our resident Medusa fan here because you make a lot of sense.
Honestly I already forgot the most ridiculous reasons for hating poor Palutena even after looking at that thread 5 mins ago. Part of me wants to talk about those ridiculous reasons and counter them only because we haven't gotten anything since that one PotD talking about the range of Heavenly Light and her U-smash.

The most cringe-worthy was when she got blamed for having Dark Pit "teased" in her trailer. People should just write "I have a bias against this character" instead of embarrassing themselves.

 

[Admiral Pit]

The most cringe-worthy was when she got blamed for having Dark Pit "teased" in her trailer. People should just write "I have a bias against this character" instead of embarrassing themselves.

That definitely is one of the worst. Come on, people. Sakurai likes to tease and create surprises and secrets. I'm not gonna get into the Dark Pit discussion again for a while as I'm generally tired of it. I wonder what else was there that I've forgotten.

 

[ihskeyp]

I see Palutena low in a lot of lists with all the other girls, meaning that they gave her a low rating for her gender.
Also the 'why does she have pits powers?' Thing that I've seen like twice is stupid. I even saw someone say 'Dark Pit should've gotten in over her'.... Ummm ok that's new.

 

[Admiral Pit]

I see Palutena low in a lot of lists with all the other girls, meaning that they gave her a low rating for her gender.
Also the 'why does she have pits powers?' Thing that I've seen like twice is stupid. I even saw someone say 'Dark Pit should've gotten in over her'.... Ummm ok that's new.

Terrible indeed. No comment about the sexist part because that's just stupid.
To counter both of the other 2... It was Palutena that created the Powers, and she taught Pit how to use em (I think), and Palutena's the 2nd most important character in the KI franchise, being the only other character that's been in all 3 games with major roles in each. Not even gonna dig into the Dark Pit bias. It just makes me hate the "Dark version of a character > regular character" stereotype even more.

Sometimes I feel like I want to read more of those stupid reasons and counter them to make up for lack of Palutena PotD.

 

[The Light Music Club]

@ The Light Music Club did you rate yet?

Yeah, thanks for reminding me, or I wouldn't have seen it.

 

[ihskeyp]

Terrible indeed. No comment about the sexist part because that's just stupid.
To counter both of the other 2... It was Palutena that created the Powers, and she taught Pit how to use em (I think), and Palutena's the 2nd most important character in the KI franchise, being the only other character that's been in all 3 games with major roles in each. Not even gonna dig into the Dark Pit bias. It just makes me hate the "Dark version of a character > regular character" stereotype even more.

Sometimes I feel like I want to read more of those stupid reasons and counter them to make up for lack of Palutena PotD.

I wanted to reply to every one that had ignorant reasons to hate on her, but I forced myself not to because I don't feel like dealing with ignorant responses.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Terrible indeed. No comment about the sexist part because that's just stupid.
To counter both of the other 2... It was Palutena that created the Powers, and she taught Pit how to use em (I think), and Palutena's the 2nd most important character in the KI franchise, being the only other character that's been in all 3 games with major roles in each. Not even gonna dig into the Dark Pit bias. It just makes me hate the "Dark version of a character > regular character" stereotype even more.

Sometimes I feel like I want to read more of those stupid reasons and counter them to make up for lack of Palutena PotD.

Yeah I found that quote:

= 15%. Palutena is fairly important to her series (in Japan it's called Palutena's Mirror), but I just feel like she is heavily nullified by the Mii Fighters. She has decent character, shouting out the names of her attacks just before she uses them and all, but I do feel like someone like Dark Pit or especially Viridii would have been a better idea, with Palutena being a Pit codec call. Sakurai created Kid Icarus: Uprising and pretty much gave these characters their personalities, so it would be perfect for him to write a little dialogue about all of the characters. It would have been a better way to show of Palutena's personality and character anyway. It doesn't even make sense for her to use Pit's special abilities, which is why Dark Pit would have been a better addition, even for the move set that Palutena has.

 

[ihskeyp]

'Darj Pit would have been a better addition, even for the moveset that Palutena has.'
Is he/she saying that Dark Pit should have Palutenas move set? That would just be strange, especially considering she has staff/shield based moves...

 

[The Light Music Club]

The thing I don't get is people saying that her trailer wasn't hyping...

1. It was Smash Anime, something that so many people want.
2. It wasn't shown behind close doors like Pac-Man.
3. Unlike Little Mac, she actually said stuff and everything. For Mac, Doc did all the talking.
4. Greninja was mainly hyped because everyone thought it was Mewtwo
5. The only good thing about the Mii Trailer was Reggie and Iwata, and not the actual gameplay from the trailer
6. Roslina's trailer was what looked like to be a Smash Kart game, which didn't make any sense.

Honestly, the only trailer that was just as good as her's in my opinion, was the Fire Emblem one.

 

[jigglover]

Yeah I found that quote:

Excuse me! >:x

'Darj Pit would have been a better addition, even for the moveset that Palutena has.'
Is he/she saying that Dark Pit should have Palutenas move set? That would just be strange, especially considering she has staff/shield based moves...

Not her physical moves sorry, her specials only. They are all based completely off of special power-up type moves you equipmto Pit in KI:U. As such, it would make a lot more sense for someone of the same posture as Pit to use them, if Pit himself cannot, which is why Dark Pit would have been the superior choice to take on such moves. I'm not complaining about Palutena, because as I stated in the post she is important to the series and should be in a major role in the game. But a codec-esque conversation between herself and Pit would lend far more to her character than being a playable character with moves that don't make sense on her.

The thing I don't get is people saying that her trailer wasn't hyping...

1. It was Smash Anime, something that so many people want.
2. It wasn't shown behind close doors like Pac-Man.
3. Unlike Little Mac, she actually said stuff and everything. For Mac, Doc did all the talking.
4. Greninja was mainly hyped because everyone thought it was Mewtwo
5. The only good thing about the Mii Trailer was Reggie and Iwata, and not the actual gameplay from the trailer
6. Roslina's trailer was what looked like to be a Smash Kart game, which didn't make any sense.

Honestly, the only trailer that was just as good as her's in my opinion, was the Fire Emblem one.

What? I personally loved her trailer, but some of these events make literally no sense.
1. People want a smash anime, or something? I don't understand this point. It wasn't of the Japanese anime style, anyway.
2. Is this detrimental to the trailer itself? It didn't have optimum timing, OK, but that pretty much only affects America and other incredibly dedicated fans. The trailers were all up on YouTube by the time I woke up, and Pac-Man's was by far my favourite of the lot.
3. Unlike Little Mac, Palutena says stuff in her games. It makes sense for Doc to do the talking and it takes nothing away from the trailer. It's like saying Greninja should have read lines of poetry in his reveal trailer. Both Greninja and Little Mac have the same chance of speaking English as far as we know,
4. Greninja was hyped because he is Greninja. In fact, I think the main initial reaction was "I HATE YOU SAKURAI Y U TROLL US I WANT MEWTWO" so I don't see how that helped Greninja? His trailer showed off so much, including most Pokeball characters and a new stage. It also made Greninja popular as a character because everybody was so excited about his moveset that was shown off in the trailer. Saying "Greninja's trailer was only good because Sakurai trolled us with Mewtwo" is very closed-minded and really quite illogical...
5. Yeah you're right the Mii's trailer sucked IMO too. Not to say that people can't like it, though!
6. What? Mario Kart is a stage in SSB4. The only characters shown racing were those from Mario! I don't understand why that is Smash Kart and not just Mario Kart honestly...

You clearly prefer the animated styled trailers. That's all well and good, as I quite enjoy them (not my favourite style, though) but saying that her's is better than the others because you PERSONALLY didn't like the trailer for reason X or reason Y is really quite disrespectful and unthoughtful on your part. What if someone doesn't like the animated style? Would they be wrong in saying that Palutena's trailer didn't make them excited for her inclusion from the trailer alone? You just said the same thing about the rest of the characters for the pettiest reasons!

And this is all coming from someone who is actually excited about Palutena in Smash Bros.. Please could you guys try and talk about Palutena herself, and not about some silly reason her trailer was better than others or why you hate Dark Pit fans? Everyone is entitled to their own opinions folks, and while I love a good "debate" probably more than the next guy, straight up saying "this is bad because" on a matter completely based on opinion is just incredibly closed-minded of you...

 

[The Light Music Club]

Excuse me! >:x


Not her physical moves sorry, her specials only. They are all based completely off of special power-up type moves you equipmto Pit in KI:U. As such, it would make a lot more sense for someone of the same posture as Pit to use them, if Pit himself cannot, which is why Dark Pit would have been the superior choice to take on such moves. I'm not complaining about Palutena, because as I stated in the post she is important to the series and should be in a major role in the game. But a codec-esque conversation between herself and Pit would lend far more to her character than being a playable character with moves that don't make sense on her.


What? I personally loved her trailer, but some of these events make literally no sense.
1. People want a smash anime, or something? I don't understand this point. It wasn't of the Japanese anime style, anyway.
2. Is this detrimental to the trailer itself? It didn't have optimum timing, OK, but that pretty much only affects America and other incredibly dedicated fans. The trailers were all up on YouTube by the time I woke up, and Pac-Man's was by far my favourite of the lot.
3. Unlike Little Mac, Palutena says stuff in her games. It makes sense for Doc to do the talking and it takes nothing away from the trailer. It's like saying Greninja should have read lines of poetry in his reveal trailer. Both Greninja and Little Mac have the same chance of speaking English as far as we know,
4. Greninja was hyped because he is Greninja. In fact, I think the main initial reaction was "I HATE YOU SAKURAI Y U TROLL US I WANT MEWTWO" so I don't see how that helped Greninja? His trailer showed off so much, including most Pokeball characters and a new stage. It also made Greninja popular as a character because everybody was so excited about his moveset that was shown off in the trailer. Saying "Greninja's trailer was only good because Sakurai trolled us with Mewtwo" is very closed-minded and really quite illogical...
5. Yeah you're right the Mii's trailer sucked IMO too. Not to say that people can't like it, though!
6. What? Mario Kart is a stage in SSB4. The only characters shown racing were those from Mario! I don't understand why that is Smash Kart and not just Mario Kart honestly...

You clearly prefer the animated styled trailers. That's all well and good, as I quite enjoy them (not my favourite style, though) but saying that her's is better than the others because you PERSONALLY didn't like the trailer for reason X or reason Y is really quite disrespectful and unthoughtful on your part. What if someone doesn't like the animated style? Would they be wrong in saying that Palutena's trailer didn't make them excited for her inclusion from the trailer alone? You just said the same thing about the rest of the characters for the pettiest reasons!

And this is all coming from someone who is actually excited about Palutena in Smash Bros.. Please could you guys try and talk about Palutena herself, and not about some silly reason her trailer was better than others or why you hate Dark Pit fans? Everyone is entitled to their own opinions folks, and while I love a good "debate" probably more than the next guy, straight up saying "this is bad because" on a matter completely based on opinion is just incredibly closed-minded of you...

People are saying little petty things about her trailer just like I did there. I'm just showing that crap like what they are saying about Palutena's trailer can be applied to any trailer!

1. People want a smash anime, yes. And 2nd, it was done by Shaft, who do all types of Japanese anime, and they did it in their anime style. So yeah it was done in anime form..
2. Yes it is, because it wasn't able to give that much hype as it could. Before people even started the trailer, they knew Pac-man was in the game. It wasn't like that for any other trailer because when they were all first shown to the public, no one knew who they could've been.
3. The point is, the lack of any content in Little Mac's trailer is worse than Palutena's. Barely and dialogue, and their wasn't even any fighting shown among characters before he was revealed. If you ask me, they should've had him enter the boxing ring vs Donkey Kong or something.
4. The original hype behind it, when you first watch it, is for you to get excited for Mewtwo's return. They fed off that hype to reveal a different Pokemon. The removal of the web between his fingers, and removal of his fin imo, is enough to prove that.
5. I'm not saying people have to not like it, I'm just stating what I think, like everyone else is saying about Palutena's vid.
6. Actually yes, because Kirby rides he warp star on the course. If anything, he was the center of attention in that trailer among the vets.

The point is, that there can be stuff that is wrong about ANY trailer! So I don't see why people are giving her trailer out of all of them, so much hate. It baffles me. I agree, maybe they shouldn't of showed her right when the trailer starts to build up suspense on who it is. That's the one flaw I see. Just like how I see a flaw in every other trailer.

Dark Pit shouldn't know those specials. Those were gifted to Pit via Palutena. If it weren't for her, Pit wouldn't be able to use them either, so it makes perfect sense that she is the one with that move set.

 

[Admiral Pit]

Excuse me! >:x


Not her physical moves sorry, her specials only. They are all based completely off of special power-up type moves you equipmto Pit in KI:U. As such, it would make a lot more sense for someone of the same posture as Pit to use them, if Pit himself cannot, which is why Dark Pit would have been the superior choice to take on such moves. I'm not complaining about Palutena, because as I stated in the post she is important to the series and should be in a major role in the game. But a codec-esque conversation between herself and Pit would lend far more to her character than being a playable character with moves that don't make sense on her.

My time for input!
While it is true Dark Pit has used the Powers as well, he only used it in Chapter 22 and Light vs Dark, not as much as Pit does. I like Pit utilizing weapons and Palutena using her own creation (the Powers). It makes more sense thinking about it. Sure I know some of us wanted her to use more light magic and such, but this is okay to me too. It'll grow on others a bit more after the game's out. After all, things are subject to change, right?
As for the Codecs, why not both Pit and Palutena have their own codecs? I mean Fox, Falco, and Wolf did it for Brawl, so Pit and Palutena could have their own too perhaps.

What? I personally loved her trailer, but some of these events make literally no sense.
1. People want a smash anime, or something? I don't understand this point. It wasn't of the Japanese anime style, anyway.
2. Is this detrimental to the trailer itself? It didn't have optimum timing, OK, but that pretty much only affects America and other incredibly dedicated fans. The trailers were all up on YouTube by the time I woke up, and Pac-Man's was by far my favourite of the lot.
3. Unlike Little Mac, Palutena says stuff in her games. It makes sense for Doc to do the talking and it takes nothing away from the trailer. It's like saying Greninja should have read lines of poetry in his reveal trailer. Both Greninja and Little Mac have the same chance of speaking English as far as we know,
4. Greninja was hyped because he is Greninja. In fact, I think the main initial reaction was "I HATE YOU SAKURAI Y U TROLL US I WANT MEWTWO" so I don't see how that helped Greninja? His trailer showed off so much, including most Pokeball characters and a new stage. It also made Greninja popular as a character because everybody was so excited about his moveset that was shown off in the trailer. Saying "Greninja's trailer was only good because Sakurai trolled us with Mewtwo" is very closed-minded and really quite illogical...
5. Yeah you're right the Mii's trailer sucked IMO too. Not to say that people can't like it, though!
6. What? Mario Kart is a stage in SSB4. The only characters shown racing were those from Mario! I don't understand why that is Smash Kart and not just Mario Kart honestly...

1: I don't know. The anime style was a reference to "Palutena's Revolting Dinner" which was the most popular of the 3 anime shorts to promote Kid Icarus: Uprising. I'm glad they went with this for the trailer. I personally think the anime should just stick to Kid Icarus, or maybe one day we'll get a KI anime, that'd be something, but I shouldn't stray from the topic.
2: I got nothing about this.
3: Good point really. Palutena talks in her game, Mac doesn't in his, so this is fine.
4: The Mewtwo thing was partially the thing, but some ppl eventually got used to Greninja. I'm aware he's the most popular of the 3 Gen 6 starters, and I'm getting used to him myself. Note that I'm not a Mewtwo fan either.
5: Agreed.
6: I guess a preview of one of the stages as you see the trailer was pretty good. I actually didn't mind it as it probably was the only trailer that didn't show any indication that it was a Smash reveal, catching everyone by surprise. That was the great part about it.

You clearly prefer the animated styled trailers. That's all well and good, as I quite enjoy them (not my favourite style, though) but saying that her's is better than the others because you PERSONALLY didn't like the trailer for reason X or reason Y is really quite disrespectful and unthoughtful on your part. What if someone doesn't like the animated style? Would they be wrong in saying that Palutena's trailer didn't make them excited for her inclusion from the trailer alone? You just said the same thing about the rest of the characters for the pettiest reasons!

And this is all coming from someone who is actually excited about Palutena in Smash Bros.. Please could you guys try and talk about Palutena herself, and not about some silly reason her trailer was better than others or why you hate Dark Pit fans? Everyone is entitled to their own opinions folks, and while I love a good "debate" probably more than the next guy, straight up saying "this is bad because" on a matter completely based on opinion is just incredibly closed-minded of you...

I have some sense just to let you know. I have my reasonings and I don't mind a bit of a random talk about it. Besides, gotta do something til we get more Palutena info, which I fear won't be for another few weeks. If it gets to spammy here (worried bout what the staff may say), you're welcome to talk to me elsewhere, via PMs if you want.

 

[loganhogan]

So i'm reading the rating day and saw some people suggest Dark Pit and Magnus were better choice.

>Dark Pit and Magnus

I laughed

I believe some of them are insecure and worried about their favorites, for example Ridley or K.Rool, not making it in because you can see some of these people giving her high want scores before she was confirmed. I'm confident their anger will transition towards Lucina/Robin.

 

[jigglover]

People are saying little petty things about her trailer just like I did there. I'm just showing that crap like what they are saying about Palutena's trailer can be applied to any trailer!

1. People want a smash anime, yes. And 2nd, it was done by Shaft, who do all types of Japanese anime, and they did it in their anime style. So yeah it was done in anime form..
2. Yes it is, because it wasn't able to give that much hype as it could. Before people even started the trailer, they knew Pac-man was in the game. It wasn't like that for any other trailer because when they were all first shown to the public, no one knew who they could've been.
3. The point is, the lack of any content in Little Mac's trailer is worse than Palutena's. Barely and dialogue, and their wasn't even any fighting shown among characters before he was revealed. If you ask me, they should've had him enter the boxing ring vs Donkey Kong or something.
4. The original hype behind it, when you first watch it, is for you to get excited for Mewtwo's return. They fed off that hype to reveal a different Pokemon. The removal of the web between his fingers, and removal of his fin imo, is enough to prove that.
5. I'm not saying people have to not like it, I'm just stating what I think, like everyone else is saying about Palutena's vid.
6. Actually yes, because Kirby rides he warp star on the course. If anything, he was the center of attention in that trailer among the vets.

The point is, that there can be stuff that is wrong about ANY trailer! So I don't see why people are giving her trailer out of all of them, so much hate. It baffles me. I agree, maybe they shouldn't of showed her right when the trailer starts to build up suspense on who it is. That's the one flaw I see. Just like how I see a flaw in every other trailer.

Dark Pit shouldn't know those specials. Those were gifted to Pit via Palutena. If it weren't for her, Pit wouldn't be able to use them either, so it makes perfect sense that she is the one with that move set.

I feel like you just came up with that excuse after I called you out on it, otherwise you would have actually stated it in your first post.

1. Yes people want a smash anime, but I was confused because I wasn't sure how a smash anime could translate into a trailer. It's not done in the classic Japanese anime style, anyway.
2. They knew from the roundtable? Then just watch this to see the reaction of the people there. If that's not hype I really don't know what is! The fact that the trailer was released at the roundtable isn't at all detrimental to the trailer itself. Please, I urge you to ask yourself this: If Palutena's trailer was shown at the roundtable, would you have the same complaint? I feel like your answer is no. Just because the trailer isn't in the anime style, doesn't mean it's bad or less hyping than any other. In fact, Pac-Man's trailer was done in one of the best ways, because it had that true suspense until the 8-bit Pac-Man noise and the guy appearing on the screen. It actually gave a lot of hype, moreso than it would have done if it was part of the regular E3 show. Why? Everyone thought that all of the newcomers had been announced for the event, and suddenly Sakurai throws in Pac-Man after everything about Smash really died down!
3. What? Little Mac's trailer actually has WAY more content than Palutena's. Palutena's gave us all of her specials and her Final Smash, whereas Mac's showed us his Final Smash, lots of his Physical Attacks, probably 2 specials (definitely one), how he is fantastic on the ground but awful in the air and his gimmick, the Power Metre, all while having a nice little comic animated style intro. I don't really understand your point here, because if I'm understanding it correctly you're quite simply wrong. This isn't an objective matter; you are wrong about these facts which is why I can say it so definitely.
4. Actually it proves nothing. Everything about Greninja was made from beta designs and concept work. For example, its up special is Aqua Jet, an attack which Greninja cannot actually learn. It is very probable that the webbed fingers and fin were not on Greninja at the time Sakurai created Greninja's character model (who was a high priority character for some reason) or at the very least the trailer, which would take a lot of time to create. And even so, my point was that the Mewtwo troll, while it slightly lended itself towards the hype of Greninja, actually very much dissuaded people from the character because they wanted Mewtwo in so bad. So no, the original hype behind it was not FOR Greninja it was against it for the most part...
5. I like how you say "everyone else" here. Seriously, very few people have legitimately disliked Palutena's trailer. They want more information about her character. This is because of a legitimate reason - the trailer only showed off her specials. The rest of the trailers had more substance to them and showed more about the characters off generally, which is a fact. Sakurai created a character who required more questions to be answered than others and actually showed off less than the majority of other characters; this didn't even dawn on me until you pointed it out to me. This does not take away from the trailer itself, however.
6. Was Kirby racing? No. To legally race in Mario Kart you have to be in a kart. Besides, Rosalina & Luma was by far the main centre of attention in the trailer. Sakurai honestly just thought that Luma and Kirby looked cute together, so he made a trailer featuring Kirby in some of the cinematics. I don't get this complaint. It's not Smash Kart, because it is a stage. Kirby isn't ever in a kart. It is a different take on Mario Kart sure, but it is still Mario Kart by any and all means.

Every single trailer will have little things in it that irk people off. If people don't like a trailer because they see something in it which is blatantly untrue you should correct them about it to maybe make them like the trailer more. I pointed out to you the incorrect facts you had, as well as the disrespectful tone about almost all of the trailers in your post...

And no, Dark Pit used the specials. In "Chapter 22: Scorched Feathers" Dark Pit can literally use any power that Pit can, including every single one Palutena uses in Smash. They were also not a gift from the goddess. The Power of Flight is, the rest are not... Pit calls out Palutena or ([insert slight replacement in chapters 19-21]. I'd prefer to try and avoid spoilers, even thought the game is over a year old) as he uses the powers, but this could be more of a "look at me!" type thing that he has the personality of. If it was a gift from a goddess Dark Pit would call a name too, as opposed to just saying "Come on!" or "Take this!".

My time for input!
While it is true Dark Pit has used the Powers as well, he only used it in Chapter 22 and Light vs Dark, not as much as Pit does. I like Pit utilizing weapons and Palutena using her own creation (the Powers). It makes more sense thinking about it. Sure I know some of us wanted her to use more light magic and such, but this is okay to me too. It'll grow on others a bit more after the game's out. After all, things are subject to change, right?
As for the Codecs, why not both Pit and Palutena have their own codecs? I mean Fox, Falco, and Wolf did it for Brawl, so Pit and Palutena could have their own too perhaps.

1: I don't know. The anime style was a reference to "Palutena's Revolting Dinner" which was the most popular of the 3 anime shorts to promote Kid Icarus: Uprising. I'm glad they went with this for the trailer. I personally think the anime should just stick to Kid Icarus, or maybe one day we'll get a KI anime, that'd be something, but I shouldn't stray from the topic.
2: I got nothing about this.
3: Good point really. Palutena talks in her game, Mac doesn't in his, so this is fine.
4: The Mewtwo thing was partially the thing, but some ppl eventually got used to Greninja. I'm aware he's the most popular of the 3 Gen 6 starters, and I'm getting used to him myself. Note that I'm not a Mewtwo fan either.
5: Agreed.
6: I guess a preview of one of the stages as you see the trailer was pretty good. I actually didn't mind it as it probably was the only trailer that didn't show any indication that it was a Smash reveal, catching everyone by surprise. That was the great part about it.

I have some sense just to let you know. I have my reasonings and I don't mind a bit of a random talk about it. Besides, gotta do something til we get more Palutena info, which I fear won't be for another few weeks. If it gets to spammy here (worried bout what the staff may say), you're welcome to talk to me elsewhere, via PMs if you want.

He may have only used them a couple of times in-game, but that's more than Palutena did. It isn't actually confirmed at all that the powers are Palutena's own creation, and I never considered them to be lol. While Palutena should definitely be more of a magicky character, it shouldn't be with powers that she canonically can't utilize.

Also Pit and Palutena are really only funny when they are together. If they had individual codec conversations featuring the other playable character I would be totally content and happy though lol.

1. Oh hey, I completely missed that reference lol. I honestly like the trailer a bit more now, but it still is far from my favourite.
2. Yay!
3. Yay!
4. I'm actually really not a Mewtwo fan either. I thought that Greninja was pretty obvious even in the silhouette and at a glance, but I can see why it'd be confusing because they do have similar postures and body styles. Even so, saying that the only initial hype was derived from the Mewtwo silhouette is completely false, as you agreed there, because you said "partially". So... Yay!
5. Yay!
6. Yeah, I completely loved it. It was the only character trailer I watched as soon as it came out (I saw all of them besides Little Mac before I knew of the character though).

Also sorry if I implied the Palutena fans make no sense, which is hypocritical as I am a fan of her inclusion, just not her execution. It's just a lot of these posts were "lol people said Palutena is bad because of x which is dumb because of y reason" when the reason really didn't make much sense or was too brief IMO.

So i'm reading the rating day and saw some people suggest Dark Pit and Magnus were better choice.

>Dark Pit and Magnus

I laughed

I believe some of them are insecure and worried about their favorites, for example Ridley or K.Rool, not making it in because you can see some of these people giving her high want scores before she was confirmed. I'm confident their anger will transition towards Lucina/Robin.

As this is indirectly directed at me, I would just like to point out that I don't actually mind some of my favourites not getting in, as I rooted mainly for under-dogs or unlikely characters which I would have loved. Maybe I'm a little disappointed that Lip is still just a stick, and that it's probably because of Reggie, but oh well...

 

[ihskeyp]

I feel like you just came up with that excuse after I called you out on it, otherwise you would have actually stated it in your first post.

1. Yes people want a smash anime, but I was confused because I wasn't sure how a smash anime could translate into a trailer. It's not done in the classic Japanese anime style, anyway.
2. They knew from the roundtable? Then just watch this to see the reaction of the people there. If that's not hype I really don't know what is! The fact that the trailer was released at the roundtable isn't at all detrimental to the trailer itself. Please, I urge you to ask yourself this: If Palutena's trailer was shown at the roundtable, would you have the same complaint? I feel like your answer is no. Just because the trailer isn't in the anime style, doesn't mean it's bad or less hyping than any other. In fact, Pac-Man's trailer was done in one of the best ways, because it had that true suspense until the 8-bit Pac-Man noise and the guy appearing on the screen. It actually gave a lot of hype, moreso than it would have done if it was part of the regular E3 show. Why? Everyone thought that all of the newcomers had been announced for the event, and suddenly Sakurai throws in Pac-Man after everything about Smash really died down!
3. What? Little Mac's trailer actually has WAY more content than Palutena's. Palutena's gave us all of her specials and her Final Smash, whereas Mac's showed us his Final Smash, lots of his Physical Attacks, probably 2 specials (definitely one), how he is fantastic on the ground but awful in the air and his gimmick, the Power Metre, all while having a nice little comic animated style intro. I don't really understand your point here, because if I'm understanding it correctly you're quite simply wrong. This isn't an objective matter; you are wrong about these facts which is why I can say it so definitely.
4. Actually it proves nothing. Everything about Greninja was made from beta designs and concept work. For example, its up special is Aqua Jet, an attack which Greninja cannot actually learn. It is very probable that the webbed fingers and fin were not on Greninja at the time Sakurai created Greninja's character model (who was a high priority character for some reason) or at the very least the trailer, which would take a lot of time to create. And even so, my point was that the Mewtwo troll, while it slightly lended itself towards the hype of Greninja, actually very much dissuaded people from the character because they wanted Mewtwo in so bad. So no, the original hype behind it was not FOR Greninja it was against it for the most part...
5. I like how you say "everyone else" here. Seriously, very few people have legitimately disliked Palutena's trailer. They want more information about her character. This is because of a legitimate reason - the trailer only showed off her specials. The rest of the trailers had more substance to them and showed more about the characters off generally, which is a fact. Sakurai created a character who required more questions to be answered than others and actually showed off less than the majority of other characters; this didn't even dawn on me until you pointed it out to me. This does not take away from the trailer itself, however.
6. Was Kirby racing? No. To legally race in Mario Kart you have to be in a kart. Besides, Rosalina & Luma was by far the main centre of attention in the trailer. Sakurai honestly just thought that Luma and Kirby looked cute together, so he made a trailer featuring Kirby in some of the cinematics. I don't get this complaint. It's not Smash Kart, because it is a stage. Kirby isn't ever in a kart. It is a different take on Mario Kart sure, but it is still Mario Kart by any and all means.

Every single trailer will have little things in it that irk people off. If people don't like a trailer because they see something in it which is blatantly untrue you should correct them about it to maybe make them like the trailer more. I pointed out to you the incorrect facts you had, as well as the disrespectful tone about almost all of the trailers in your post...

And no, Dark Pit used the specials. In "Chapter 22: Scorched Feathers" Dark Pit can literally use any power that Pit can, including every single one Palutena uses in Smash. They were also not a gift from the goddess. The Power of Flight is, the rest are not... Pit calls out Palutena or ([insert slight replacement in chapters 19-21]. I'd prefer to try and avoid spoilers, even thought the game is over a year old) as he uses the powers, but this could be more of a "look at me!" type thing that he has the personality of. If it was a gift from a goddess Dark Pit would call a name too, as opposed to just saying "Come on!" or "Take this!".





He may have only used them a couple of times in-game, but that's more than Palutena did. It isn't actually confirmed at all that the powers are Palutena's own creation, and I never considered them to be lol. While Palutena should definitely be more of a magicky character, it shouldn't be with powers that she canonically can't utilize.

Also Pit and Palutena are really only funny when they are together. If they had individual codec conversations featuring the other playable character I would be totally content and happy though lol.

1. Oh hey, I completely missed that reference lol. I honestly like the trailer a bit more now, but it still is far from my favourite.
2. Yay!
3. Yay!
4. I'm actually really not a Mewtwo fan either. I thought that Greninja was pretty obvious even in the silhouette and at a glance, but I can see why it'd be confusing because they do have similar postures and body styles. Even so, saying that the only initial hype was derived from the Mewtwo silhouette is completely false, as you agreed there, because you said "partially". So... Yay!
5. Yay!
6. Yeah, I completely loved it. It was the only character trailer I watched as soon as it came out (I saw all of them besides Little Mac before I knew of the character though).

Also sorry if I implied the Palutena fans make no sense, which is hypocritical as I am a fan of her inclusion, just not her execution. It's just a lot of these posts were "lol people said Palutena is bad because of x which is dumb because of y reason" when the reason really didn't make much sense or was too brief IMO.



As this is indirectly directed at me, I would just like to point out that I don't actually mind some of my favourites not getting in, as I rooted mainly for under-dogs or unlikely characters which I would have loved. Maybe I'm a little disappointed that Lip is still just a stick, and that it's probably because of Reggie, but oh well...

Stop with the 'it's not in Classic Japanese anime style' because it is... It was made by a hugely popular anime company.

 

[The Light Music Club]

I feel like you just came up with that excuse after I called you out on it, otherwise you would have actually stated it in your first post.

1. Yes people want a smash anime, but I was confused because I wasn't sure how a smash anime could translate into a trailer. It's not done in the classic Japanese anime style, anyway.
2. They knew from the roundtable? Then just watch this to see the reaction of the people there. If that's not hype I really don't know what is! The fact that the trailer was released at the roundtable isn't at all detrimental to the trailer itself. Please, I urge you to ask yourself this: If Palutena's trailer was shown at the roundtable, would you have the same complaint? I feel like your answer is no. Just because the trailer isn't in the anime style, doesn't mean it's bad or less hyping than any other. In fact, Pac-Man's trailer was done in one of the best ways, because it had that true suspense until the 8-bit Pac-Man noise and the guy appearing on the screen. It actually gave a lot of hype, moreso than it would have done if it was part of the regular E3 show. Why? Everyone thought that all of the newcomers had been announced for the event, and suddenly Sakurai throws in Pac-Man after everything about Smash really died down!
3. What? Little Mac's trailer actually has WAY more content than Palutena's. Palutena's gave us all of her specials and her Final Smash, whereas Mac's showed us his Final Smash, lots of his Physical Attacks, probably 2 specials (definitely one), how he is fantastic on the ground but awful in the air and his gimmick, the Power Metre, all while having a nice little comic animated style intro. I don't really understand your point here, because if I'm understanding it correctly you're quite simply wrong. This isn't an objective matter; you are wrong about these facts which is why I can say it so definitely.
4. Actually it proves nothing. Everything about Greninja was made from beta designs and concept work. For example, its up special is Aqua Jet, an attack which Greninja cannot actually learn. It is very probable that the webbed fingers and fin were not on Greninja at the time Sakurai created Greninja's character model (who was a high priority character for some reason) or at the very least the trailer, which would take a lot of time to create. And even so, my point was that the Mewtwo troll, while it slightly lended itself towards the hype of Greninja, actually very much dissuaded people from the character because they wanted Mewtwo in so bad. So no, the original hype behind it was not FOR Greninja it was against it for the most part...
5. I like how you say "everyone else" here. Seriously, very few people have legitimately disliked Palutena's trailer. They want more information about her character. This is because of a legitimate reason - the trailer only showed off her specials. The rest of the trailers had more substance to them and showed more about the characters off generally, which is a fact. Sakurai created a character who required more questions to be answered than others and actually showed off less than the majority of other characters; this didn't even dawn on me until you pointed it out to me. This does not take away from the trailer itself, however.
6. Was Kirby racing? No. To legally race in Mario Kart you have to be in a kart. Besides, Rosalina & Luma was by far the main centre of attention in the trailer. Sakurai honestly just thought that Luma and Kirby looked cute together, so he made a trailer featuring Kirby in some of the cinematics. I don't get this complaint. It's not Smash Kart, because it is a stage. Kirby isn't ever in a kart. It is a different take on Mario Kart sure, but it is still Mario Kart by any and all means.

Every single trailer will have little things in it that irk people off. If people don't like a trailer because they see something in it which is blatantly untrue you should correct them about it to maybe make them like the trailer more. I pointed out to you the incorrect facts you had, as well as the disrespectful tone about almost all of the trailers in your post...

And no, Dark Pit used the specials. In "Chapter 22: Scorched Feathers" Dark Pit can literally use any power that Pit can, including every single one Palutena uses in Smash. They were also not a gift from the goddess. The Power of Flight is, the rest are not... Pit calls out Palutena or ([insert slight replacement in chapters 19-21]. I'd prefer to try and avoid spoilers, even thought the game is over a year old) as he uses the powers, but this could be more of a "look at me!" type thing that he has the personality of. If it was a gift from a goddess Dark Pit would call a name too, as opposed to just saying "Come on!" or "Take this!".

Alright, I wasn't saying it as an excuse first of all.
1. What is classic anime style to you? Because when the animation is done by Shaft (a very popular anime company) and is done exactly like how they do all of their anime, I think that means it's done in anime style.
2. That is taken from the roundtable, so clearly only those people there have that amount of hype. And yes, if they had shown Palutena at the roundtable, I would've been extremely angry. What it the point in holding something so hype worthy from the public, it's just plain stupid.
3. Actually, you are wrong. We saw plenty of Palutena's standard attacks before she even starts mentioning her specials. Plus, her gimmick is that she does have all those specials, which no other character (that isn't mii) has. So just like Mac, we saw her final smash, standard moves, and special moves. I'm fairly sure we saw more of Palutena's moves than Little Mac. Plus, who just wants to see a bunch of A-combo attacks anyway. The specials, are a characters specialty. That's more important. I just feel like the way Mac's reveal was executed was badly, since he isn't really fighting anyone, they should've had him take off his jacket when he enters the ring or something. So clearly, it is a subjective matter.
4. I'm not saying that with Greninja was the hype part, I'm saying that when the trailer was first shown, it seemed exciting because everyone thought it was Mewtwo, but then when everyone was wrong they thought it was funny (some of us anyway). That's why I think they like the trailer so much. It plays with emotions. And why would the model play into the cave part of the trailer?? That's all CG...
5. No they didn't show of more of the characters honestly. First off, her trailer was 3 mins long, which was as long as Robin/Lucina and that was for TWO characters. People aren't understanding the fact that her "gimmick" is that she has a wide variety of specials. Honestly, they did show of just as much, maybe even more moves that Palutena does than other characters do.
6. What? With Kirby being in the trailer it CLEARLY wasn't Mario Kart, it looked more like Smash Kart. Plus, in Kirby Air ride, he rides warp-stars JUST like he did in the trailer, so it very much looked like it was supposed to be a racing game involving both Kirby and Mario characters. Oh by the way, if you think a bike is a kart, you are wrong. You can be in Mario Kart without using a kart. And I said among the VETS. I don't think Rosalina has ever been in a smash game before.

Well according to the Kid Icarus wiki: "Wielding many new weapons and gifts from Palutena, Pit is no longer limited to the bow from his past adventures." I think that means that the powers that she uses, are indeed gifts that she gave to Pit. Dark Pit knows them and uses them because he is a Pit clone.

Most of this is subjective anyway. I was just annoyed by the other people in the RTC topic when I made those points, heck you weren't even one of the ones I was directing the trailer talk to.

 

[jigglover]

Alright, I wasn't saying it as an excuse first of all.
1. What is classic anime style to you? Because when the animation is done by Shaft (a very popular anime company) and is done exactly like how they do all of their anime, I think that means it's done in anime style.
2. That is taken from the roundtable, so clearly only those people there have that amount of hype. And yes, if they had shown Palutena at the roundtable, I would've been extremely angry. What it the point in holding something so hype worthy from the public, it's just plain stupid.
3. Actually, you are wrong. We saw plenty of Palutena's standard attacks before she even starts mentioning her specials. Plus, her gimmick is that she does have all those specials, which no other character (that isn't mii) has. So just like Mac, we saw her final smash, standard moves, and special moves. I'm fairly sure we saw more of Palutena's moves than Little Mac. Plus, who just wants to see a bunch of A-combo attacks anyway. The specials, are a characters specialty. That's more important. I just feel like the way Mac's reveal was executed was badly, since he isn't really fighting anyone, they should've had him take off his jacket when he enters the ring or something. So clearly, it is a subjective matter.
4. I'm not saying that with Greninja was the hype part, I'm saying that when the trailer was first shown, it seemed exciting because everyone thought it was Mewtwo, but then when everyone was wrong they thought it was funny (some of us anyway). That's why I think they like the trailer so much. It plays with emotions. And why would the model play into the cave part of the trailer?? That's all CG...
5. No they didn't show of more of the characters honestly. First off, her trailer was 3 mins long, which was as long as Robin/Lucina and that was for TWO characters. People aren't understanding the fact that her "gimmick" is that she has a wide variety of specials. Honestly, they did show of just as much, maybe even more moves that Palutena does than other characters do.
6. What? With Kirby being in the trailer it CLEARLY wasn't Mario Kart, it looked more like Smash Kart. Plus, in Kirby Air ride, he rides warp-stars JUST like he did in the trailer, so it very much looked like it was supposed to be a racing game involving both Kirby and Mario characters. Oh by the way, if you think a bike is a kart, you are wrong. You can be in Mario Kart without using a kart. And I said among the VETS. I don't think Rosalina has ever been a smash game before.

Well according to the Kid Icarus wiki: "Wielding many new weapons and gifts from Palutena, Pit is no longer limited to the bow from his past adventures." I think that means that the powers that she uses, are indeed gifts that she gave to Pit. Dark Pit knows them and uses them because he is a Pit clone.

Most of this is subjective anyway. I was just annoyed by the other people in the RTC topic.

1. Well classic anime style to me is kawaii!! style, but @ Admiral Pit showed me the light, so it's fine! :x
2. Dude I said earlier that it literally ONLY affected Americans and very dedicated Zelda fans. The trailers were all on YouTube by the time I woke up... Please don't do the classic stereo-typical American thing and disregard anyone from other countries, since I personally believe very few Americans do that. It is exactly what you are doing, though. It seems to me like you're a little salty because it ruined your personal experience, honeslty.
3. I stand corrected. We saw a few moves... I counted 6. The problem, like I said before, is that Palutena has a gimmick with lots of open ends and as such realistically needs more in her trailer. This one still had less than we saw in Little Mac's which was what you complained about in this first place. Maybe, in your opinion, specials are more important; this doesn't mean that physical attacks are worth any less than specials, though. Every attack is an attack, and Little Max showed more. You're grasping, and trying to turn fact into opinion, which is impossible. Also we only had about a minute of actual game play, too, so your 3 minutes-long argument is is moot.
4. Maybe for you. Please think about, at the very least, the MAJORITY of people. They were excited because it was Greninja, not because it looked like Mewtwo.
5. See number 3.
6. It was the Mario Kart stage, not "Smash Kart". I don't understand what you are trying to prove here, or what your point is at all. Bike = Karts as far as Mario Kart is concerned, and saying otherwise is simply pedantic. "If anything, he was the center of attention in that trailer among the vets." Sorry, I interpreted among correctly. Among means among ALL of the characters there, and you implied that both Kirby and the vets were more of a centre of attention than Rosalina & Luma. I couldn't see it any other way 9.9

I'd like a source besides a wiki for that statement, please, as it COULD be false.

 

[Glaciacott]

Eh, no point getting stressed. Like, I do find it incredibly annoying when people give awful reasons for hating a character ( and coincidentally Lucina and Rosalina are also at the bottom? Hmm, seems like some other bias is at work ...)

BUT at the end of the day no one is perfect and sadly we can't control all the bias and ignorance against Palutena.

I do admit that there's a sort of special rage felt at the people who are harsh on Palutena for seeming OP and having customizable moves, and then they give Miis a high rating. Like wtf.

Oh, and the most amusing one was someone saying they didn't like how she didn't fight with her staff and shield and instead used out of nowhere magic. Bahahahaha, talk about selective memory.

 

[Reila]

I just wanted to say I loathe the idea of a Smash Bros anime. The last thing this series needs is to prostituted like that. Ok thx bai.

 

[The Light Music Club]

2. Dude I said earlier that it literally ONLY affected Americans and very dedicated Zelda fans. The trailers were all on YouTube by the time I woke up... Please don't do the classic stereo-typical American thing and disregard anyone from other countries, since I personally believe very few Americans do that. It is exactly what you are doing, though. It seems to me like you're a little salty because it ruined your personal experience, honeslty.
3. I stand corrected. We saw a few moves... I counted 6. The problem, like I said before, is that Palutena has a gimmick with lots of open ends and as such realistically needs more in her trailer. This one still had less than we saw in Little Mac's which was what you complained about in this first place. Maybe, in your opinion, specials are more important; this doesn't mean that physical attacks are worth any less than specials, though. Every attack is an attack, and Little Max showed more. You're grasping, and trying to turn fact into opinion, which is impossible. Also we only had about a minute of actual game play, too, so your 3 minutes-long argument is is moot.
4. Maybe for you. Please think about, at the very least, the MAJORITY of people. They were excited because it was Greninja, not because it looked like Mewtwo.
5. See number 3.
6. It was the Mario Kart stage, not "Smash Kart". I don't understand what you are trying to prove here, or what your point is at all. Bike = Karts as far as Mario Kart is concerned, and saying otherwise is simply pedantic. "If anything, he was the center of attention in that trailer among the vets." Sorry, I interpreted among correctly. Among means among ALL of the characters there, and you implied that both Kirby and the vets were more of a centre of attention than Rosalina & Luma. I couldn't see it any other way 9.9

I'd like a source besides a wiki for that statement, please, as it COULD be false.

Clearly, I'm misunderstanding something, because with #2, I certainly thought that whoever (regardless of country) went on the website would see Pac-Man was in the game before they saw the trailer, because for anyone, it doesn't show the trailer on the front page like it did for Lucina + Robin's. If you went on the site, Pac-man would appear as a vet reveal in a POTD, and not as a trailer reveal. It doesn't matter if you woke up and the trailer was on youtube. I think more people check the official smash site before they check Nintendo's youtube site for Smash Bros. info.

In regards to Greninja, I'm not saying at all that people can't be excited for it being Greninja. I'm just saying, when the trailer first aired. A majority of people thought the shadow was Mewtwo and not Greninja. That's what I've been trying to say.

Little Mac, it's still subjective opinion. I would rather see more special attacks that standard attacks, in that regard Palutena wins. So for me, she showed me more than Mac did. But once again, it's subjective. For anyone, the information taken from a trailer can be subjective.

I don't get how the definition of among would be wrong the way that I stated it. It's saying "out of all the veteran characters, Kirby stood out the most." I never mentioned Rosalina. And the point I was making in the first place, is at first glance, that trailer isn't a fighting game trailer AT ALL. Until it shows actual game play of Rosalina.

 

[Admiral Pit]

He may have only used them a couple of times in-game, but that's more than Palutena did. It isn't actually confirmed at all that the powers are Palutena's own creation, and I never considered them to be lol. While Palutena should definitely be more of a magicky character, it shouldn't be with powers that she canonically can't utilize.

Also Pit and Palutena are really only funny when they are together. If they had individual codec conversations featuring the other playable character I would be totally content and happy though lol.

1. Oh hey, I completely missed that reference lol. I honestly like the trailer a bit more now, but it still is far from my favourite.
2. Yay!
3. Yay!
4. I'm actually really not a Mewtwo fan either. I thought that Greninja was pretty obvious even in the silhouette and at a glance, but I can see why it'd be confusing because they do have similar postures and body styles. Even so, saying that the only initial hype was derived from the Mewtwo silhouette is completely false, as you agreed there, because you said "partially". So... Yay!
5. Yay!
6. Yeah, I completely loved it. It was the only character trailer I watched as soon as it came out (I saw all of them besides Little Mac before I knew of the character though).

Also sorry if I implied the Palutena fans make no sense, which is hypocritical as I am a fan of her inclusion, just not her execution. It's just a lot of these posts were "lol people said Palutena is bad because of x which is dumb because of y reason" when the reason really didn't make much sense or was too brief IMO.

"Perhaps you'd like to see some of the Powers that I've used to protect you?" -Palutena from her trailer
From this I've implied that she was the one that created the powers, or at least something like that.

I mean they each can have their own, as in a different convo triggers when Pit does it, and a different one for Palutena, but both will still talk to each other either way.

1: It works. D:
2: I guess.
3: Meh.
4: I'm just meh because I was only fixed about wanting Palutena at the time and still am. Not sure bout my thoughts on Greninja.
5: Of course.
6: I chose to watch em all, but back during my concerns of waiting for Palutena and all.

I feel sad when she's hated for stupid reasons, so that's also part of my anger. I need to review my posts sometime to prevent fury.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

"Perhaps you'd like to see some of the Powers that I've used to protect you?" -Palutena from her trailer
From this I've implied that she was the one that created the powers, or at least something like that.

I mean they each can have their own, as in a different convo triggers when Pit does it, and a different one for Palutena, but both will still talk to each other either way.

1: It works. D:
2: I guess.
3: Meh.
4: I'm just meh because I was only fixed about wanting Palutena at the time and still am. Not sure bout my thoughts on Greninja.
5: Of course.
6: I chose to watch em all, but back during my concerns of waiting for Palutena and all.

I feel sad when she's hated for stupid reasons, so that's also part of my anger. I need to review my posts sometime to prevent fury.

Palutena is hated by those who don't like her (some exist, but mostly for idiotic reasons) and by those who think she is "taking up a slot" for a "more deserving" character.

That and the fact that she was added in favor of the Gematsu leak had the Gematsu leak Detractors want to work against her; unless, they supported her in the game.

 

[jigglover]

Clearly, I'm misunderstanding something, because with #2, I certainly thought that whoever (regardless of country) went on the website would see Pac-Man was in the game before they saw the trailer, because for anyone, it doesn't show the trailer on the front page like it did for Lucina + Robin's. If you went on the site, Pac-man would appear as a vet reveal in a POTD, and not as a trailer reveal. It doesn't matter if you woke up and the trailer was on youtube. I think more people check the official smash site before they check Nintendo's youtube site for Smash Bros. info.

In regards to Greninja, I'm not saying at all that people can't be excited for it being Greninja. I'm just saying, when the trailer first aired. A majority of people thought the shadow was Mewtwo and not Greninja. That's what I've been trying to say.

Little Mac, it's still subjective opinion. I would rather see more special attacks that standard attacks, in that regard Palutena wins. So for me, she showed me more than Mac did. But once again, it's subjective. For anyone, the information taken from a trailer can be subjective.

I don't get how the definition of among would be wrong the way that I stated it. It's saying "out of all the veteran characters, Kirby stood out the most." I never mentioned Rosalina. And the point I was making in the first place, is at first glance, that trailer isn't a fighting game trailer AT ALL. Until it shows actual game play of Rosalina.

Then that is true for every character, besides Robin and Lucina, including Palutena. That's why I checked YouTube after Little Mac's reveal lol.

So what is the point to that statement? You said that the initial hype for Greninja was because he had the silhouette of Mewtwo. This is untrue, and as such you don't have a single complaint about the trailer.

Subjective opinion is not possible. It's like the classic "controversial world peace". If there is controversy there cannot be world peace. If there is opinion it cannot... oh. I just googled subjective and it looks like I got confused. I meant objective opinion... Sorry, my mistake 9.9. Although technically what you said is also not subjective opinion, because you have not had a past experience or an emotional attachment to special attacks.

"Perhaps you'd like to see some of the Powers that I've used to protect you?" -Palutena from her trailer
From this I've implied that she was the one that created the powers, or at least something like that.

I mean they each can have their own, as in a different convo triggers when Pit does it, and a different one for Palutena, but both will still talk to each other either way.

1: It works. D:
2: I guess.
3: Meh.
4: I'm just meh because I was only fixed about wanting Palutena at the time and still am. Not sure bout my thoughts on Greninja.
5: Of course.
6: I chose to watch em all, but back during my concerns of waiting for Palutena and all.

I feel sad when she's hated for stupid reasons, so that's also part of my anger. I need to review my posts sometime to prevent fury.

Oh ok, thank you. I literally agree with everything in this post and thank you for explaining it properly to me... Yay!?

 

[Admiral Pit]

Palutena is hated by those who don't like her (some exist, but mostly for idiotic reasons) and by those who think she is "taking up a slot" for a "more deserving" character.

That and the fact that she was added in favor of the Gematsu leak had the Gematsu leak Detractors want to work against her; unless, they supported her in the game.

I know. The majority of Palutena hate is for stupid reasons.

Oh ok, thank you. I literally agree with everything in this post and thank you for explaining it properly to me... Yay!?

I do what is right for the light of Palutena!

 

[Oracle_Summon]

I know. The majority of Palutena hate is for stupid reasons.

True, I just think most of the hate for characters comes from fearing the Gematsu link of being real, which hurts the potential chances of character supporters.

To me, it is less about hating Palutena, but attacking her because she adds strength to the Gematsu leak.

 

[jigglover]

True, I just think most of the hate for characters comes from fearing the Gematsu link of being real, which hurts the potential chances of character supporters.

To me, it is less about hating Palutena, but attacking her because she adds strength to the Gematsu leak.

That point is moot now, though, because Gematsu is dead right?

 

[Oracle_Summon]

That point is moot now, though, because Gematsu is dead right?

I believe it is, but there are some that still believe the Gematsu Leak (for whatever reason).

 

[Nimbostratus]

We probably shouldn't just come here to bash people's opinions just because we aren't allowed to do it on RTC. I must admit myself that I strongly disagree with many of the arguments that have been made over there, so I get it.
I feel like she's gotten a raw deal since we just haven't seen much of her and that many people were de-hyped because she was so obvious.Here's the good news, though:

- We'll obviously eventually know her standard moveset, so people won't count off simply because they want to know what it is. We'll also get to see her final model, which I'm pretty confident will have more expressions.
- Once the game comes out, there will eventually be a time when the so-called "hype" is gone for all the characters and people will be able to judge Palutena on an equal playing field. In a year or so, no one is going to care that Palutena was more obvious than Wii Fit Trainer.

As I see it, Palutena's popularity will only continue to grow, while the "freshness" that has helped some other characters will wear off. Palutena's appeal is fortunately based on other factors, which will do her good in the future.

 

[andimidna]

I think the hate for female newcomers comes from the lack of villain newcomers.
I sure wouldn't mind more villains myself. How about a combo? Make medusa a Palutena semiclone!

 

[Admiral Pit]

I guess you have a point now. Let's try to stay calm. I was just sad and mad about much Palutena hatred these days, but at least she got in, that's what mattered first, right?

 

[Nimbostratus]

I think the hate for female newcomers comes from the lack of villain newcomers.
I sure wouldn't mind more villains myself. How about a combo? Make medusa a Palutena semiclone!

Unfortunately, another reason for the hate is that people think we have had too much KI representation. Adding Medusa would probably only antagonize Palutena more. (My hope? Somebody makes Kid Icarus Wii U, it sells well, so Medusa for SSB5!)
I agree that KI has an out of proportion amount of material seen so far, but I think we'll find it's balanced just fine in the final product.

I guess you have a point now. Let's try to stay calm. I was just sad and mad about much Palutena hatred these days, but at least she got in, that's what mattered first, right?

For sure. No amount of bad ratings are going to change the fact that Palutena's in. Haters gonna hate
If she doesn't turn out as good as she could be when the game comes out, I'll be more glad to talk about how she can be improved next time around rather than whether or not she'll make it in.

 

[Burigu]

Well it seems we failed to overcome the among of hate Palutena got in the rate thread she is near the bottom on the scores only above Lucina, WFT and Miis.

I know that thread is just a game to have fun, but I can help to notices how Palutena has gone from liked by everyone baring a very little minority, to being addressed as a bland, boring, lasser user.

I don't know if this is because detractors have increased or we supporters have decreased in number, I only see the more royal and still active users to stick around this thread, maybe now that the speculation is gone, most of Palutena's fans have abandoned these forums.

I am really happy she is in that is something no score or opinion can change, but is a pitty some people can't even be congruent about liking or not liking her. The overpowered argument is one of the most ridicolous and yet again the "lasser user argument".

We shall see if next time we can overcome this result, they do this type of rating everytime a newcomer is shown.

Thank you all of you who aren't regulars at that thread for taking sometime in a thread you don't participate and to the regulars thank you too, I already knew you would show some good ratings to the Goddess.

 

[The Light Music Club]

Well it seems we failed to overcome the among of hate Palutena got in the rate thread she is near the bottom on the scores only above Lucina, WFT and Miis.

I know that thread is just a game to have fun, but I can help to notices how Palutena has gone from liked by everyone baring a very little minority, to being addressed as a bland, boring, lasser user.

I don't know if this is because detractors have increased or we supporters have decreased in number, I only see the more royal and still active users to stick around this thread, maybe now that the speculation is gone, most of Palutena's fans have abandoned these forums.

I am really happy she is in that is something no score or opinion can change, but is a pitty some people can't even be congruent about liking or not liking her. The overpowered argument is one of the most ridicolous and yet again the "lasser user argument".

We shall see if next time we can overcome this result, they do this type of rating everytime a newcomer is shown.

Thank you all of you who aren't regulars at that thread for taking sometime in a thread you don't participate and to the regulars thank you too, I already knew you would show some good ratings to the Goddess.

I just hope RTC does character satisfaction when the game comes out, and Palutena is full of emotion and is top-tier. Sakurai will put a ton of effort into her. To him she's an adopted step-child, since you know Kirby and co are his blood children and he made MK top tier.

 

[Admiral Pit]

I have confidence in Palutena. Some will get used to her, and I guess its the lack of info we've gotten of her besides what the trailer brought, and that one PotD of her U-smash and Heavenly Light that also hurt the hype. I'm sure once we see footage of her in Japanese gameplay in September, it'll help us much more.

Have faith in Team Skyworld.

 

[loganhogan]

I think the hate for female newcomers comes from the lack of villain newcomers.
I sure wouldn't mind more villains myself. How about a combo? Make medusa a Palutena semiclone!

That's probably another reason. I didn't notice that the female newcomers are ranking really low on the chart, other than Robin and Villager but they're gender neutral.

Okay so it might be resentment that there's more females than they initially thought?

Now I feel bad for giving Rosalina a really low rating, but I blame Mario Kart 8 after they gave her that unnecessary baby self and cut several veterans it really annoyed me.